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Highnoone
Thu, Jul-18-02, 01:04
The Use of Symbols

We have always understood the power of symbols but we have
only recently begun studying the science of their application.
Some people are more attuned to them than others but they are
more effective if they are transmitted subconsciously. The
receptor is not aware that he is responding therefore his ego
does not come into play.

I have always questioned our understanding of universal
symbols. After all, what meaning does the symbol of a star
have to a man who has been blind since birth? Men communicate
volumes beyond what they say. They speak with their eyes,
their hands, by what is said at a particular moment and by
what is not said. This is a science we have not yet developed
but heightened intuition can tell you a great deal about the
man you are addressing. Watch what he says, don't just listen.
When you have watched enough, you can speak to him in a
language he can understand.

His mind is not yours. We tend to surround ourselves with
people who speak our own language. If you want to communicate
an idea to the world, use symbols but understand that the
symbols must be relevant to the group you are addressing.

The path or journey is probably one of the most universal
archetypes that we know. It has been used throughout our
history. It is usually depicted as point A to point B with
point B being out of eyesight. The path normally represents a
single life. This appeals to the ego.

Focus your mind as an electron microscope would perceive the
world. Look very closely. Then shift focus to the magnitude of
a VLT and perceive the universe. There are things we cannot
comprehend in both directions. Now do it again focusing on the
past and the future. Between these points lies all that man
can comprehend.

Think about how to explain this to a man who has been blind
from birth. If you do not let him find his own way, gently and
over a long period of time, he will go insane. Shift your
focus from your own particular fields of interest and your own
truths and incorporate other knowledges into what you know.
Destroy the tower of Babel.

Gordo
Thu, Jul-18-02, 01:04
Uyhhhmmmmm What?

"highnoone" <highnoone@excite.com> wrote in message
news:6c0811da.0204221603.2313c8ae@posting.google.com...
> The Use of Symbols
>
> We have always understood the power of symbols but we have
> only recently begun studying the science of their
> application. Some people are more attuned to them than
> others but they are more effective if they are transmitted
> subconsciously. The receptor is not aware that he is
> responding therefore his ego does not come into play.
>
> I have always questioned our understanding of universal
> symbols. After all, what meaning does the symbol of a star
> have to a man who has been blind since birth? Men
> communicate volumes beyond what they say. They speak with
> their eyes, their hands, by what is said at a particular
> moment and by what is not said. This is a science we have
> not yet developed but heightened intuition can tell you a
> great deal about the man you are addressing. Watch what he
> says, don't just listen. When you have watched enough, you
> can speak to him in a language he can understand.
>
> His mind is not yours. We tend to surround ourselves with
> people who speak our own language. If you want to
> communicate an idea to the world, use symbols but understand
> that the symbols must be relevant to the group you are
> addressing.
>
> The path or journey is probably one of the most universal
> archetypes that we know. It has been used throughout our
> history. It is usually depicted as point A to point B with
> point B being out of eyesight. The path normally represents
> a single life. This appeals to the ego.
>
> Focus your mind as an electron microscope would perceive the
> world. Look very closely. Then shift focus to the magnitude
> of a VLT and perceive the universe. There are things we
> cannot comprehend in both directions. Now do it again
> focusing on the past and the future. Between these points
> lies all that man can comprehend.
>
> Think about how to explain this to a man who has been blind
> from birth. If you do not let him find his own way, gently
> and over a long period of time, he will go insane. Shift
> your focus from your own particular fields of interest and
> your own truths and incorporate other knowledges into what
> you know. Destroy the tower of Babel.

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Michael Mc
Thu, Jul-18-02, 01:04
Hi highnoone,

Glad you discovered the importance of symbols. It was
certainly a momentous turning point in the development of
language among humans. Rather than your becoming engaged in a
lot of wheel-reinventing, though, I strongly recommend that
you read up on the field of semiotics. You will discover that
the assertions you make in your opening paragraph have been
speculated upon at length for over 100 years. As you continue
your investigation of semiotics, you will also learn a great
deal about the way symbols are used as ways of propagating
meaning throughout systems of communication.

With regards to the assertions in your second paragraph,
you will find with only a modicum of digging that a
considerable amount of research has been conducted, from
both linguistic and psychological arenas, on the subject of
non-vocal communication. Mimesis, gesture, "body language"
-- this has all been quite thoroughly investigated. I am
not suggesting that we know all there is to know about the
subject, but to assert that "This is a science we have not
yet developed" as you do leaves me with the suspicion that
you are writing "off the cuff" about something you have not
yet researched yourself.

I have a bad habit of beginning a response to a post before
reading the post through to the end. This is such an instance.
With regards to the balance of your post, all I am prepared to
state at this point is the following: Take my advice with
regard to what I wrote above. Once you've come to the
realization that there are many people on this Earth who are a
lot smarter than you are -- or at a minimum, who know a lot
more about the subject than you do -- (I know, it is a
daunting prospect, but it is one almost all of us must accept
sooner or later), the next best thing to do is to suck it up
and LEARN FROM THEM.

Hey, it can work wonders. Because what is really cool is once
you've learned from them, then you are in a position to add to
their knowledge base. Which means that you are contributing
stuff that these people who are (or used to be) smarter than
you are have never thought of. And that, my friend, is truly
cool indeed.

highnoone wrote:
>
> The Use of Symbols
>
> We have always understood the power of symbols but we have
> only recently begun studying the science of their
> application. Some people are more attuned to them than
> others but they are more effective if they are transmitted
> subconsciously. The receptor is not aware that he is
> responding therefore his ego does not come into play.
>
> I have always questioned our understanding of universal
> symbols. After all, what meaning does the symbol of a star
> have to a man who has been blind since birth? Men
> communicate volumes beyond what they say. They speak with
> their eyes, their hands, by what is said at a particular
> moment and by what is not said. This is a science we have
> not yet developed but heightened intuition can tell you a
> great deal about the man you are addressing. Watch what he
> says, don't just listen. When you have watched enough, you
> can speak to him in a language he can understand.
>
> His mind is not yours. We tend to surround ourselves with
> people who speak our own language. If you want to
> communicate an idea to the world, use symbols but understand
> that the symbols must be relevant to the group you are
> addressing.
>
> The path or journey is probably one of the most universal
> archetypes that we know. It has been used throughout our
> history. It is usually depicted as point A to point B with
> point B being out of eyesight. The path normally represents
> a single life. This appeals to the ego.
>
> Focus your mind as an electron microscope would perceive the
> world. Look very closely. Then shift focus to the magnitude
> of a VLT and perceive the universe. There are things we
> cannot comprehend in both directions. Now do it again
> focusing on the past and the future. Between these points
> lies all that man can comprehend.
>
> Think about how to explain this to a man who has been blind
> from birth. If you do not let him find his own way, gently
> and over a long period of time, he will go insane. Shift
> your focus from your own particular fields of interest and
> your own truths and incorporate other knowledges into what
> you know. Destroy the tower of Babel.

--
Best,

Michael McBroom _McBroom's Camera Bluebook_, 6th ed. Amherst
Media: Buffalo, 2000

Shameless plug: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/158428-
0131/103-6971800-2708630

Ejudy
Thu, Jul-18-02, 01:04
"Gordo" <gordsracing@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:<Ptox8.367$7G3.101506@newsfeed.slurp.net>...
> Uyhhhmmmmm What?
>
Yep... Hehe... lets just stuff this "thing" over here in this
thread too, eh? What is it about these brain divided artists
and crazies anyway? Why do they talk so weird? Maybe there are
weird chimps and gorillas too? I don't think so. Example #1
jessica=> playful destruction of sense example#2 highnoone=>
attempt at production of sense These brains are in outer space
but they are not alien;-)) Sorry for the off-topic----- just
wondering why humans do these odd variations on the regular
themes. Must be some evolutionary usefulness. Or maybe not.

ejudy

Jessica Felix <jessica@yjirz.nm.us> wrote in article
<sci.anthropology.paleo.c9e02be4@yjirz.nm.us> :
>We dream the young car.
>
>"ART AND ALL THAT JAZZ" is a gallery on the Healdsburg Plaza
>that incorporates the two passions of its owner, Jessica
>Felix - art and jazz.
>
>Jessica is an artist whose medium is jewelry. She
>creates what she
calls
>"spirited art," specializing in images from indigenous
>cultures
around the world.
>
>She can wander cold coconuts outside the clever angry
>drawer, whilst
Zebediah hatefully recollects them too.
>

>What did Roxanna climb the jug with the sick film?
>
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>
> "highnoone" <highnoone@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:6c0811da.0204221603.2313c8ae@posting.google.com...
> > The Use of Symbols
> >
> > We have always understood the power of symbols but we have
> > only recently begun studying the science of their
> > application. Some people are more attuned to them than
> > others but they are more effective if they are transmitted
> > subconsciously. The receptor is not aware that he is
> > responding therefore his ego does not come into play.

Gordo
Thu, Jul-18-02, 01:04
"ejudy" <ejudy@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:46e43451.0204241200.517b6f3a@posting.google.com...
> "Gordo" <gordsracing@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:<Ptox8.367$7G3.101506@newsfeed.slurp.net>...
> > Uyhhhmmmmm What?
> >
> Yep... Hehe... lets just stuff this "thing" over here in
> this thread too, eh?

Thanks Jude. For a second there I thought this guy was on a
mission. It looked he was doing a Knights of Columbus
initiation right or something.

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