[CKD] Get back into ketosis faster after carbup

[billw]

Ok maybe i'm crazy but after fighting the dreaded slowed metabolism with low body temps for the last 8 weeks, I started CKD'ing 3 weeks ago hoping to boost my system back up and get the 3 month stall broken.

The night before last I picked up a jar of coconut oil after reading about how the MCFA's in it are good for boosting the thyroid system and weight loss. The MCFA's are processed by the liver and are burned preferably to other fats instead of being stored.

Anyway I tried a tbls monday night and within 15 minutes my energy shot up and my temp went from 97.7 to 98.4 and stayed there until bedtime. I took a tbls yesterday morning with my coffee and within 15 minutes my temp went from 96.7 to 97.6. After 45 minutes of medium intensity cardio my temp was at 98.4 and my energy level was sky high. My temp stayed above 98 the rest of the day. I even hit 99.1 at one point.

This stuff is like jet fuel :D I even had a more metalic taste in my mouth than usual. This stuff seems to get you into a deeper state of ketosis quicker.

I haven't gotten this kind of result even from any thermogenics.

Bill

[Trainerdan]

Thanks for sharing Bill!

I wonder if there is a connection between coconut oils and MCTs, since most MCT's are derived from coconut oil ... hmmm ...

[TeriDoodle]

Sounds like a great additive for a protein shake! :yum: Do you pick it up at a health food store or GNC or where?

[billw]

I got it at a local health food store. It wouldn't mix well with a protein shake because it is not liquid. It does melt very easily though. It doesn't have any taste either so I added a tbls to my coffee :D (I know that sounds nasty) and it melted and floated on top but after 2 sips it was gone. :D

I tried just eating a tbls but didn't like the look and feel of it.


Man this stuff is great! My am cardio this morning was fantastic. I havn't had this much energy in a long time.

[GatorGal93]

I found your thread interesting and the first info on it I found is below. Thank you for the helpful post.

Julie

http://www.coconut-info.com/

[Zeus]

Hmm, interesting concept(s). I have an idea of how to REALLY speed decent into ketosis but, I could be 'dead-wrong'; it's an assumption. What if after the day of the 'carb-up' - lets say, you take 1000mg (1 gram) of 'Alpha Lipoic Acid' before doing cardio (for 60 min.) on an empty stomach. Theoretically speaking, wouldn't this be an effective approach to establish ketosis rather quickly?

[billw]

Originally posted by Zeus
What if after the day of the 'carb-up' - lets say, you take 1000mg (1 gram) of 'Alpha Lipoic Acid' before doing cardio (for 60 min.) on an empty stomach. Theoretically speaking, wouldn't this be an effective approach to establish ketosis rather quickly?

I don't know. I take about 400mg of ALA per day and I have not noticed any difference. I think the thing that is happening here has to do with the MCT's (Medium Chain Triglycerides). From what I've read the body seems to break them down and use them like carbs.

One analogy I read was that when the metabolism slows down the fat burning slows down also like trying to burn wet logs on a small camp fire. The MCT's are like gas soaked logs and burn fast and hot also burning up the wet logs as well. (I know I probably screwed that up) :p

But anyway the coconut oil has the MCT's in it and seems to jump start the metabolism.

It may not be necessary to take it everyday either. It may be helpfull when the metabolism slows during cycling thermogenics to take some coconut oil to keep things fired up. :D

[Natrushka]

Bill, I used your info for my own little experiement this afternoon. At 1:31 (let me be precise ;) ) I took my temp - 98.7 and then I ate one tbsp of coconut oil (more like paste) (not bad, BTW). 30 minutes later I took it again (no water, no food during those 30 minutes to intefere with readings - as even drinking something cool/warm can effect a reading for up to 30 minutes) and at 2:04 pm temp was 99.1. Interesting. I will keep experimenting - my 'high' point is usually around 5 pm, I plan on eating some coconut oil at 4:30 ;)

Nat

p.s. edited to say that I do feel kinda 'flushed' and my mouth does have a funny after taste - time to guzzle some water.

[Zeus]

Umm, are you aware there's a buffalo on your head. Maybe worrying about your temperature isn't your biggest problem. ....Alright, I'm bored.... sorry.

[Natrushka]

Yep, I'm thinking of changing my name to "Buffy-lo" ;)

N

[billw]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Yep, I'm thinking of changing my name to "Buffy-lo" ;)

N


I like that! HA HA HA HA.

I have been no lower than 98.4 all day and peaked once at 99.1.

We need to come up with other ways to take this stuff. :thup:

Bill

[Meg_S]

I just ordered a gallon of that stuff!
I realize this might be overkill, but hey! I am sure it will be a very useful product.

hehe, it is dangerous for my husband to go away, I have endless hours to browse and find things that I want. Like Dan's book, CLA, Coconut oil, protein shakes, clothes..
I've noticed a trend: Margaret alone = shopping

Thanks for the info, and website link. If Bill hadn't sold me already, the website did.

Meg

[Natrushka]

Bill, I'm going to cook my pancakes in it tonight and see how it goes. Frankly a spoonful isn't awful - it's kinda sweet actually. I've been reading up on it and it looks like all you need to do is replace your butter with this stuff when cooking - just don't deep fry with it.

Nat

[fridayeyes]

Wonder how it would taste in Mock Danish....

Or spread on some flax-toast with maybe some cinnamon. Geez, now I'm on a roll.

Will prolly find me some and see! I almost bought a jar of MCT oil a few days ago, but it said a serving had 12 carbs (!!!), so I passed. Might go back and have another look-see at the label and reconsider.

:D

Friday

[billw]

fridayeyes,

I checked fitday and coconut oil has

117 cals
14g fat -- 12 sat. -- 1 mono
0 carbs

The MCT oil you saw has something added.

What I got was Spectrum essentials coconut oil.
100% refined coconut oil - contains no preservatives or additives.

I also ordered some 100% virgin coconut oil from http://www.coconut-info.com/purchase.htm

I read where the refined stuff has all the MCT's and benefits. It has been bleached and deoderized.

Bill

[cmorera]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Bill, I'm going to cook my pancakes in it tonight and see how it goes.

Nat


Pancakes!?!??!?!?!? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[billw]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Frankly a spoonful isn't awful - it's kinda sweet actually.

Yep. It doesn't taste bad at all in fact almost no taste at all.

When I got home from work my temp was 98.1. I swallowed a spoonful about 20 minutes ago and my temp is now 99.1.

Wow!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm going to have get out the ol cholesterol meter and check in the morning to see if there is any change. ;)

Bill

[Trainerdan]

Yo Buffy!

Bill, I'm going to cook my pancakes in it tonight and see how it goes.

No carb talk in here until the weekend is closer ... unless you are cooking protein pancakes ... LOL ... ;)

[Natrushka]

LMAO, me? Carb up? (this is me running like a frightened turkey in late November)

Cottage Cakes (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47341) (and they still taste devine done in coconut butter/oil/paste whatevah)

N

[Natrushka]

Originally posted by billw
When I got home from work my temp was 98.1. I swallowed a spoonful about 20 minutes ago and my temp is now 99.1.


Just curious, Bill, have you tried a tbsp of butter then the temp thing? And are you drinking anything with the oil? The empiricist in me has to know ;)

N

[billw]

I haven't tried just butter. That might be a good experiment in the morning.

This evening I just swallowed a spoonful but I did wash it down with a swig of water that was room temp.

This morning I melted it in a cup of warm coffee. Not hot, I usually put 1 ice cube in the mug to cool it down a little. I've been doing the plain coffee for months and when I have checked my temp after cardio it has been around 97.

I have been keeping close tabs on my temps for the last 3 weeks and by 9:00am it is about 97.3 by noon it is usually 97.9 and it has been peaking at 98.4 by 3:00 before declining the rest of the evening back to 97 by bedtime around 10:00pm.

The only thing I have changed this week was adding the coconut oil monday night before dinner at 7:00pm and 1 tblsp yesterday morning I didn't have any last night. 1 tblsp this morning and 1 tblsp this evening.


Bill

[billw]

Originally posted by Trainerdan
Yo Buffy!



No carb talk in here until the weekend is closer ... unless you are cooking protein pancakes ... LOL ... ;)

LOL! Nat is fixing those official Atkins pancakes. :rolleyes:

HEHEHEHEHE

:roll:

[Natrushka]

Wow, bill. I think I finally met someone who keeps as detailed records as I do :thup: You'll be greatful for this later on - believe me. I've been tracking BBT and daily temp readings since November 2001 and being able to refer back has helped me tremendoulsy in the last few months.

Good thing you're a guy, or I'd suggest that increase was due to ovulation ;)

Nat

ps. On the pancakes - they're my own, no 'fake mix' stuff in them. and they're damned good :p

[billw]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Wow, bill. I think I finally met someone who keeps as detailed records as I do :thup: You'll be greatful for this later on - believe me. I've been tracking BBT and daily temp readings since November 2001 and being able to refer back has helped me tremendoulsy in the last few months.

Good thing you're a guy, or I'd suggest that increase was due to ovulation ;)

Nat

ps. On the pancakes - they're my own, no 'fake mix' stuff in them. and they're damned good :p


:p Yes I have been pretty anal about keeping records since the first of the year. Bg's up to 5 times a day in the begining :eek: I'm down to 3 times a couple days and 2 times the rest.

I started tracking meals in fit day back in march and found I had been eating only 1500 cals a day for a while. Thats about when I stalled. Tried everything to break it with no success then I figured out the body temp thing about a month ago right before trying CKD. :thup:

:o LMAO no ovaries here. :spin:


;) just kidding on the pancakes. Now I craving them. Cooked in coconut oil :D I tried those Atkins Pancakes once. :thdown: YUCK! :D

Bill

[BigDaddy32]

how do you guys track your temperatures??? What would be a good way for me to start doing this? When should I get a baseline temp???

[Akiwican]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Bill, I used your info for my own little experiement this afternoon..... I will keep experimenting - my 'high' point is usually around 5 pm, I plan on eating some coconut oil at 4:30

So what were the results of your little experiment Nat:q: Did you buy the coconut oil today after you saw this post? If so where? I tried one store after work and they didnt have it. I remember years ago using coconut oil as sun tanning lotion {it was in paste form, but melted in the sun} sounds like the same stuff.

So if I get a craving for a chocolate bar a Bounty Bar would be a good choice eh! :lol:

:wave: Lesley

[billw]

Hi bigdaddy, Get a good thermometer. A glass mercury one will be most accurate. I wasn't able to find one localy since they are being banned. I got a digital one for about $10.

Keep the thermometer by your bed and when you wake up take your temp before you get out of bed. Take it again every 3 hours. Average the first three temps and if the average is below 97.9 your metabolism may have slowed down or you may have a thyroid system problem.

bill

[Akiwican]

Originally posted by BigDaddy32
how do you guys track your temperatures??? What would be a good way for me to start doing this? When should I get a baseline temp???

There is a thread in General Health regarding good thermometers with tips on how to use them you might want to check out.

The morning is the best time to take your temp before getting out of bed. Others can probably elabourate on this more.

:wave: Lesley

[BigDaddy32]

Originally posted by billw
Hi bigdaddy, Get a good thermometer. A glass mercury one will be most accurate. I wasn't able to find one localy since they are being banned. I got a digital one for about $10.

Keep the thermometer by your bed and when you wake up take your temp before you get out of bed. Take it again every 3 hours. Average the first three temps and if the average is below 97.9 your metabolism may have slowed down or you may have a thyroid system problem.

bill

thanks bill, heres some info you might be interested in:

http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm

[billw]

Thanks bigdaddy for posting the link. That was one of the sites I had seen before. I need to get better at posting them for others.

:)

[billw]

Originally posted by Akiwican
I remember years ago using coconut oil as sun tanning lotion {it was in paste form, but melted in the sun} sounds like the same stuff.

So if I get a craving for a chocolate bar a Bounty Bar would be a good choice eh! :lol:


Yep! its probably the same stuff. I got it at a health food store. It says it's 100% coconut oil with no additives.

A mounds or almond joy would be good also. :lol:

Bill

[Natrushka]

Originally posted by Akiwican
So what were the results of your little experiment Nat:q: Did you buy the coconut oil today after you saw this post? If so where

Les, afternoon experiment was non-conclusive. 99.1 before coconut oil, 99.1 after coconut oil, 99.1 after working out (an hour after coconut oil). 99.1 is low for my afternoon reading these days - I think it's the ovulation thing ;)

And yes, I picked it up this afternoon from work - after reading about it here and doing some searching online. I have a little health food store down the block that carries EVERYTHING, they had two kinds, the nicely packaged 700g tin for 18$ :eek: and the plain old 'coconut butter' (nothing added) in a glass jar from winnipeg for 4$. It also says 'good for use as a sunscreen' on the bottle. :p

Bigdaddy/bill - the way I had it explained to me was you take your waking temp (BBT, basal body temp) before getting out of bed. If 3 days running it drops below 97.8 it's a possible sign of a sluggish thyroid and consequently a lowered metabolism.

Nat

[Akiwican]

Originally posted by Natrushka
99.1 is low for my afternoon reading these days - I think it's the ovulation thing ;)

Ahhh, that'll get you every time... women get all the perks eh.

It also says 'good for use as a sunscreen' on the bottle. :p

SUNSCREEN! From what I remember it was like lying in a frying pan when I used to use that stuff. BTW I had to have skin cancer removed from my face when I was 25 yrs old.... no re-occurance thank goodness and I am much more careful nowdays.

:wave: Lesley

[billw]

Originally posted by Natrushka
Bigdaddy/bill - the way I had it explained to me was you take your waking temp (BBT, basal body temp) before getting out of bed. If 3 days running it drops below 97.8 it's a possible sign of a sluggish thyroid and consequently a lowered metabolism.

Actually we are both partially correct. :o

here's the scoop from Dr. Wilsons Website (http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/HowAreTempsMeasured.htm)

Excerpt:

For these reasons Dr. Wilson recommends measuring the temperatures

By mouth with a thermometer
Every 3 hours
3 times a day, starting 3 hours after waking
For several days (not the 3 days prior to the period in women since its higher then) for diagnosis.
Every day during treatment.
Here is a convenient temperature log you can print out and use to record your temperatures.

For each day, add the 3 temperatures together and divide by 3 to get the average.

If your temperature consistently averages below 98.6 then you may be suffering from Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome.



;)

[cmorera]

Originally posted by BigDaddy32


http://www.coconut-info.com/weight-loss.htm


OK, so let me get this strait. MCFA ar good for us, they raise metabolism, and are not likely to be stored as fat. Polyunsaturated fats are the enemy so to speak, since they depress thyroid activity. Coconut oil contains the most concentrated natural source of MCFA available, so this is why it is good to eat.

My question: What other foods are also good for this effect? Like cocunut oilk is #1, but what are 2-5, say. Also, are saturated fats also converted into energy quickly cau's I think the article mentioned something about this. K, still a littel confuscious. THX anyone who knows

I already did some research. Cheddar cheese, cream cheese, heavy creamall have high saturated fats, and almost non-existent polyunsaturated fat. BUt I am still confised. Are poly-fats the enemy? But what about mono-fats.......are they good or bad?

[badboy]

SO IT WILL BE AGOOD IDEA TO TAKE A BIG SPOON OF COCONUT OIL MORNING AFTER CARB UP?

[badboy]

SHOULD I FRIED A STEAK OR PEACE OF MEAT IN COCONUT OIL??

WHAT ABOUT HAVING A SPOON BEFORE EVERY MEAL?

IM I GETTING TOO CRAZY?

[billw]

Originally posted by cmorera
My question: What other foods are also good for this effect? Like cocunut oilk is #1, but what are 2-5, say. Also, are saturated fats also converted into energy quickly cau's I think the article mentioned something about this. K, still a littel confuscious. THX anyone who knows

I already did some research. Cheddar cheese, cream cheese, heavy creamall have high saturated fats, and almost non-existent polyunsaturated fat. BUt I am still confised. Are poly-fats the enemy? But what about mono-fats.......are they good or bad?

From what I've read Saturated fats and trans fats have always been the enemy. Coconut oil seems to be an exception to that. :confused: Mono saturated fats are supposed to be good for you. Olive oil is high in mono fats. Flax oil is good for you and it is higher in polyunsaturated fats.

Originally posted by badboy
SO IT WILL BE AGOOD IDEA TO TAKE A BIG SPOON OF COCONUT OIL MORNING AFTER CARB UP?

This seems to be the case. Maybe the first few days after to help get things going. :D

Originally posted by badboy
SHOULD I FRIED A STEAK OR PEACE OF MEAT IN COCONUT OIL??

WHAT ABOUT HAVING A SPOON BEFORE EVERY MEAL?

IM I GETTING TOO CRAZY?

Pan frying at a low temp is probably ok from what I've read but dont deep fry at high heat. One article I read said 2 tblsp per day another said 3 to 4 tblsp per day.

Bill

[billw]

Here is some interesting results from the good ol cholesterol test meter.

Mondays readings were
chol - 201
trig - 158
hdl - 44
ldl - 126
keytones - 5.8

Todays readings are
chol - 168
trig - 160
hdl - 50
ldl - 86 :hyper:
keytones - 7.2

This mornings waking temp was 96.7.

My experiment for the day is to try butter instead of coconut oil to see if I get the same effect. Everything else is the same. 2 cups of warm coffee and 3 thyrolean capsules.

30 minutes after butter coffee and thyroleans my temp is 97.2
I definatley dont seem to have the same energy boost as the past few mornings. I'll check back in after my 3 mile trek on the treadmill.

Bill

[Natrushka]

The only truly 'bad' fat is the trans fat - everything else is not, but has the potential to be. It's all in how they are manufactured and handled (including how we handle them).

That being said, too much of a good thing does not make a better thing. The underlying problem that is being perceived with polyunsaturates has to do with the prevalence of them in our 'modern healthy diet' - we've replaced just about every other fat with poly's, because we've been told how healthy they are. Scientists believe this has been partially responsible for the skewed shift in omega ratios now found in most of us (20:1 - n6 to n3) and the increase in certain diseases (heart disease, high blood pressure etc).

Bottom line seems to be moderation. Avoid the nasty trans fats, don't fry with anything other than butter or extra virgin olive oil, don't deep fry, period and eat your coconut oil and your nuts :)

Nat

[billw]

Cardio was a little more difficult this morning. I didn't seem to have as much pepp. :( Temp after cardio was 98. my 9:30am temp was 97.9.

Maybe my metabolism is still in high gear from the few days of jet fuel supplementation :lol: . I will not take any more coconut oil this week and see if my metabolism slows back down.

Bill

[billw]

Definately feeling sluggish today. Even a mild headache. :(

sigh! Coconut oil withdrawal.

Temp at 12:00pm was 98.1

Temp now is 98.

[billw]

:( Temp has dropped to 97 at 5:30pm.

There is definately something going on with this coconut oil.

Man I sure have been dragging ass today without it :confused:

Tired,
Bill

[cmorera]

Originally posted by billw
:( Temp has dropped to 97 at 5:30pm.

There is definately something going on with this coconut oil.

Man I sure have been dragging ass today without it :confused:

Tired,
Bill

Cocunut Oil withdrawl!!! The plot thickens....so now I am defenitely confused.

I went to Henry MArketplace. and the lady tried to sell me this cocunut stuff, it said rub on skin on the label. I looked and there was no nutritional label, the lady didn't seem to know anythig about this product either. So of course, I didn't buy it, caus it wasn't mean for ingestion. SO I guess if I want some I will have to order some off the internet, I still have yet to try Whole Foods, however.

Anyways, I was reading in I think that cocunut artice that saturated fats have fewer bonds than polyunsaturaed fats, like there are no double bonds between the carbon atoms. And poly's have the most double bonds (And maybe triple) so they are most likely to be stored as fat themselves, while sarurated fats are more likely to be used for energy quickly.

OK, that's it.
Cheers all

[hudunnit]

Hey man I would also reccomend taking in about 900 mg of Alpha Lipoic (not Linoeic) Acid before the carbup meal. I take 3 capsules before breakfast and I can get into ketosis way quicker then without. I bought mine from www.sknutrition.com you should check it out.

[cmorera]

HEy, what do you guys think of this link. It says the Coconut Oil is what movie0-theatres use to pop their corn. They sell it for very cheap, like $10 gallon. This is as opposed to the other web-site which has it for like $60!!! This is to big a difference for me to not take notice, even though the more expenisve site is the one touting it's benefits, and the less expensive one is like a movie theatre site or something. Well, anyways, someone check this out ASAP and let me know if it is the same thing at 1/6 the price. k ?


http://shop.store.yahoo.com/snappypopcorn/cocpopoil.html


thanks, lates

[badboy]

I WOULD READ THE LABEL FIRST. :confused:

[billw]

:( Still tired. Waking temp 96.3 9:00am temp 97.

Has anyone else tried the coconut oil yet?

[not2fat]

No, but I probably will soon...

So, regardless of doing a CKD or not, what you all are saying is that it might be a good way to speed up anyone's metabolism and therefore burn fat???

[billw]

Originally posted by not2fat
So, regardless of doing a CKD or not, what you all are saying is that it might be a good way to speed up anyone's metabolism and therefore burn fat???

That is correct. If this is what is speeding up my metabolism it could be very beneficial to anyone who is stalled or has slowed their metabolism by eating too little etc.

It could also be a way for those who have problems with thermogenics like xenadrine and others with ephedrine.

[cmorera]

Originally posted by billw


That is correct. If this is what is speeding up my metabolism it could be very beneficial to anyone who is stalled or has slowed their metabolism by eating too little etc.

It could also be a way for those who have problems with thermogenics like xenadrine and others with ephedrine.


Billw, did you get a chance to look at this website??

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/snappypopcorn/cocpopoil.html

Caus I think you mentioned that you bought some at a health food store, but I went to Henries, the only one near men, and they only had coconut skin lotion. So I am going to have to buy some off the internet caus I wanna try it, and if you buy it as a health supplement, it is mad expensive, but this popcorn place has it for cooking popcorn in, for really really cheap. Like I think if they realized how cheap it was they would change their price or something.

[billw]

cmorera,

I just took a look. It is cheap but they had no other info about the ingredients. I would like to know if there was anything else in the oil. It obviously has to be edible since during popping some of the oil will get on the popcorn.

The jar that I got at the health food store was also labeled as a skin or hair cream. I talked with the 2 employees there and they said it was 100% pure coconut oil with no additives. I was hesitant to buy it myself but after reading the label again and seeing that it was only $4 (hell I spent $30 on a bottle of thyrolean and it hasn't seemed to do anything for me yet but make me sweat more :D )

When I got home I checked companys web site (http://www.spectrumnaturals.com/naturalsindex.html) and it was listed in the culinary oil section.

after my initial results I ordered a small jar from http://www.coconut-info.com/purchase.htm to see if there was really any difference in taste or quality. It arrived yesterday but I havn't had a chance to chek it out yet.

[billw]

Originally posted by billw
It could also be a way for those who have problems with thermogenics like xenadrine and others with ephedrine.

Sheesh! I was so tired I could't even finish my sentence. :rolleyes:

What I was trying to say was it may be able to be used like a thermogenic to boost the metabolism for people who have problems with ECA stack type products. :)

Yesterdays highest temp was 98 at noon and dropped to 97 by bedtime. I have decided to begin taking the coconut oil again since my metabolism seems to be slowing back down without it. What I plan to do this next week is since I am travelling to Chicago for work I will take a break from excercising and just relax. I will stop taking the thermogenics (thyrolean) to see what the coconut oil does by itself.

Gotta go load up the magic mini van.

Bill

[Zeus]

What I was trying to say was it may be able to be used like a thermogenic to boost the metabolism for people who have problems with ECA stack type products.

-Hmm, sounds like you're falling in love with this stuff (coconut oil). However, I don't think it can hold a candle to 'ephedrine' ['ECA stack'].

[billw]

Zeus, Yeh this stuff is amazing. My temp is now 98.2 on coconut oil alone. No eca stack has ever jump started my metabolism like this.

Oh Well. gotta go. I'll try to get online sometime next week from chicago to check in and report what is happening.

Later
Bill :D :D :D

[not2fat]

Ya Bill, keep us posted! ;)

[fridayeyes]

FYI - one can buy Coconut MILK in cans in the ethnic (Thai) section of the supermarket. I am not 100% certain it's the same stuff, but in 1/2 cup has 180 cals, 170 from fat, 17 g fat, 12 saturated, 2 g carbs. Label warns it will solidify if refrigerated. Betcha it's the same stuff.

I will be trying some tomorrow.

Cheers,

Friday

[badboy]

what about the cod liver oil ? It should be mega high in mct 's
and whatever the coconut oil is rich in too. ;)

[fridayeyes]

FYI, I added some coconut milk to my coffee between 7 and 8 am. At 1 pm, my temp was 98.4, which is a personal record. I'm not on any other fat-burner or thermogenics today. Usually I'm lucky if I see 98.o during the day.

Coconut milk makes a mean latte, btw. :)

Will continue to experiment.

Cheers,

Friday

[fridayeyes]

OMG, another update: Had myself another coconut milk latte and w/in half an hour I was flushing hot. I thought I was actually going to break a sweat! I tried taking temps, and they're not showing any diff (still 98.4), but I've been drinking iced latte and ice water the whole time, too.

I think I've just found the newest thing to have in my coffee and shakes! The milk is liquid, unlike the oil, and it's not bad straight. I have a feeling we're just getting cheap MCTs, but hey, it beats heck out of the $14 bucks I saw on the 16 oz bottle of MCT oil at the grocery store. The coconut milk ranges from a buck to 2 bucks for a 13.5 oz can.

Cheers,

Friday

[Meg_S]

This is so interesting (and exciting) to hear about all of your coconut results. That latte is such a great idea!
I had been fantasizing with my sister this weekend about making coconut milk+chocolate icecream, pudding, I had a chocolate protein shake yesterday with the milk in it. YUM!
I will buy a thermometer soon and start testing, I haven't been able to find one the last 4 times I've been shopping.

Keep up the posts, I love to hear about this!
Meg

[cmorera]

Originally posted by fridayeyes
FYI - one can buy Coconut MILK in cans in the ethnic (Thai) section of the supermarket. I am not 100% certain it's the same stuff, but in 1/2 cup has 180 cals, 170 from fat, 17 g fat, 12 saturated, 2 g carbs. Label warns it will solidify if refrigerated. Betcha it's the same stuff.

I will be trying some tomorrow.

Cheers,

Friday

OK< so real Coconut Oil will have like 14g fat, 12.5 saturated fat per serving (notice the HIGH saturated fat). So yours has a little but below this ratio, so I suppose it is like 90% pure, so more or less the same exact thing, just a little bit less 'pure' (did I just sound like a drug dealer?). But you are right it you other post about coconut oil sold at health stores being 'hella expensive'


Originally posted by fridayeyes
I think I've just found the newest thing to have in my coffee and shakes! The milk is liquid, unlike the oil, and it's not bad straight. I have a feeling we're just getting cheap MCTs, but hey, it beats heck out of the $14 bucks I saw on the 16 oz bottle of MCT oil at the grocery store. The coconut milk ranges from a buck to 2 bucks for a 13.5 oz can.

Did you look at my movie theatre coconut oil link? They sell coconut oil for popcorn popping (what real movie theatres use I believe) and not for health food reasons, and it is like 1/6th the price. Look at my previous post in this thread for that link, you are right about being expensive.


PS, thanks to Zeus for the lowfat Poptars carb-up advice. This is the perfect carbup food, 80g carbs per 2 poptarts, with barley any fat, and these are good too!! The brown sugar ones make me feel happy when I eat them. I couldn't find any Entimans low fat things, everything was 'full-fat' so to speak at the store I went to.

[fridayeyes]

I'll check out that link, but off the top of my head, I'd be worried about all sorts of dyes (that wierd yellow color of movie popcorn), chemicals and salt. If it's just the coconut oil, it's a great find! The gallon size might be hard to store, tho.

Cheers,

Friday

[billw]

I'm back from my week in the windy city(Chicago) so now the great coconut oil experiment continues. :D

So far the coconut oil is definately increasing my metabolism and energy level when I take it. Last week the only thing I took was the coconut oil and on the days when I took it my energy level was up. A few days when I forgot to take it my energy was low.

Bill

[fridayeyes]

It's working for me as well. I take a dose in my am coffee and another after dinner. My AM temps are now in the 97.3-5 range - up a whole degree. My daytime temps have ranged from an almost normal 98.4 to a whopping 99.3.

I'm sold!

Friday

[Meg_S]

Hello all, I have a concern about the coconut oil.
Trainer Dan mentioned something, now I know I am probably going to get it all wrong, but it was along the lines of your temperatures are probably going up because you're burning MCT's instead of ketones, which is obviously bad for fat loss.
<smile> this is after I ordered a gallon of oil!

Does anyone know what the deal is?
Meg

[cmorera]

Originally posted by Meg_S
Hello all, I have a concern about the coconut oil.
Trainer Dan mentioned something, now I know I am probably going to get it all wrong, but it was along the lines of your temperatures are probably going up because you're burning MCT's instead of ketones, which is obviously bad for fat loss.
<smile> this is after I ordered a gallon of oil!

Does anyone know what the deal is?
Meg

NO, it's a good thing caus your body temperature being higher is a sign of an increased metabolism, which means your whole body is using more energy, kinda like when ya take ECA stack your body temp rises? As far as the calorie thing goes, its OK caus you need to get calories from somewhere....hope that covers everything

[Meg_S]

so, you're not actually burning the MCTs instead of ketones?
That was really the only thing I was worried about.

I am still pretty confused about this. Normally I would think that the body temp going up is a good thing on low carb. However, after a carb binge my temp will also soar .. and at that point it doesn't mean much to me because I am burning carbs instead of my own bodyfat. At least the stuff tastes great :)

Sorry if I seem so dumb about this! Eventually it will click.

Meg

[cmorera]

Originally posted by Meg_S
so, you're not actually burning the MCTs instead of ketones?
That was really the only thing I was worried about.

I am still pretty confused about this. Normally I would think that the body temp going up is a good thing on low carb. However, after a carb binge my temp will also soar .. and at that point it doesn't mean much to me because I am burning carbs instead of my own bodyfat. At least the stuff tastes great :)

Sorry if I seem so dumb about this! Eventually it will click.

Meg


NO, besides you have the concept of ketones wrong. Ketones are utilized by certain organs as a replacement to glycogen. Your brain cannot use fatty acids for energy, only ketones, that's why we need them. So ketones and fatty acids serve different purposes.

[Beaver]

On page 276 of BodyOpus Duchaine mentions Chromium, Vanadyl sulfate, and phenformin will hasten the descent into ketosis. He also said Cinnamon and brewers yeast will do the trick too.

Unfortunatly I didnt get my ketostix until today so I dont know how long it took me to reach ketosis.

THe people that use them, whats the earliest you have hit ketosis?

[Fernie]

Hi Beaver,

I always hit ketosis within 24 hours of the end of carb up. I don't really need the sticks to know when I'm in, though. I get that nasty, metallic taste in my mouth--it gets worse all week until carb-up comes around again!

Fernie

[billw]

I used to hit ketosis between 24 and 36 hours before. Now I am back in it between 12 and 24 hrs since starting coconut oil. Within a few hours of taking it I get a strong metalic taste in my mouth.

It could be that since the MCFA's in the coconut oil are burned very fast that our systems are being flooded with ketones as a result. It also seems to have increased my weight loss the first few days after carbup. I dropped 5 pounds between Tuesday and Wednesday and 2 pounds between yesterday and today.

Bill

[itsjoyful]

I started taking a tsp. of the stuff(X 2) in my coffee this morning, and let me tell you, there's somethin' to this. I ran a 10 doing HIIT at 7.2 mph. that's truely unheard of for me.
peace,
brenda

[not2fat]

Originally posted by itsjoyful
I ran a 10 doing HIIT at 7.2 mph. that's truely unheard of for me.

7.2!!...that's fast! :thup:

[billw]

This stuff is amazing isn't it. :D

Did UBW last night and it was awesome.

Dropped 2 more pounds since yesterday. :thup:

Bill

[Akiwican]

I am currently being tested for Thyroid problems {results at the end of August}. My morning temp is around 97.3.

Searched high and low and finally found it... well, coconut butter actually, but its the same thing I think. How much do you all take and when?

I lifted 200 lbs on the leg press in last nights workout so wonder what I can do on this stuff :lol:

:wave: Akiwican

[billw]

Coconut butter should be the same thing.

I take 2 tbsp each morning with my coffee before cardio. Waking temp goes from 96.6 to 97.8 within 20 minutes. After am cardio my temp rises to 98 or above and stays there until bedtime. I take 1 more tbsp with dinner.

I just finished reading a book on coconut oil and it recommended 3 to 4 tbsp per day. I'll find a link to the info on the book and post it later.

Bill

[fridayeyes]

Akiwi: Way to go on the leg press! :)

Bill: I'd like to see that info, too. I'm still using coconut milk istead of pure oil until I can find the real McCoy.

Cheers,

Friday

[Akiwican]

Originally posted by fridayeyes
I'm still using coconut milk istead of pure oil until I can find the real McCoy.

Friday, I bought a couple of cans of coconut milk and I LOVE it. I got DOMS early today.. .it was a pretty intense workout.

Bill, looking forward to more info when you get a chance. I'll keep you posted on my progress {temp wise} Maybe I'll try 2 tbsp a.m. and 2 tbsp p.m. Since I work out at night around 5 pm do you think I should take it before my workout or wait till afterwards... say around bedtime?

:wave: Akiwican

[billw]

Next week I am going to try a tsp 30 minutes before each workout to see if it helps. I expect it will since last nights workout was great and I am usually starting to struggle toward the end of the week.

Here is a link to The Healing Miracles of Coconut Oil (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0941599515/qid=1028342009/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-4878166-5902209) this was a fantastic book on coconut oil.

There is volumes of info here coconut oil info (http://www.coconut-info.com/)

and here (http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/mall/virgin_coconut_oil.asp)


Bill

[flyguy]

Can I get the coconut oil from the grocery store?
If so in what section?

Also when I take it in the morning do I take it with the ECA stack?


thanks

[billw]

Hi flyguy, I havn't seen it an any of my local grocery stores. Check the healthfood section or cosmetics that is most likely where it will be. It would be labeled as a skin or hair cream in cosmetics. Be sure and read the label to make sure it is 100% coconut oil with no additives.

When I first started taking coconut oil I was taking thyrolean which is an eca stack and I sure was wired the first few times. I am now not taking the thyrolean. Just the coconut oil and my energy level is still high without being wired up.

Bill

[kattgerrl]

:wave: Hi everyone! I can't hold back, I have to come out of lurk mode!

My name is Josee, and I have been following the posts on this board for months but have been lurkin' around - now it's time to come out of the woods.

After being fed up with being fat and out of shape, I started Atkins in the late part of November 01 and stayed on it for 3 months. It really worked for me as far as getting my bad sugar habit out of the way - coffee and pastries in the morning, ice cream 3 or more times a week! After the initial 3 months I then knew that it was time to hit the gym after a hiatus of about 5 yrs, and thought the best way to break myself back into the weights was with BFL. I stuck with BFL eating and workouts for another 3 months and workouts, which ended in late May. I started a CKD on June 3, and love it. I enjoy low-carb eating but found that my energy level sucked when trying to attempt lifting any weight - thus the CKD attempt. I've lost 13lbs on it so far, and I've lost a net total of about 33 lbs since starting a weight loss program in November (not a lot of poundage, but in terms of how I look, I love looking less than what I weigh :D).

I found some cheap coconut butter at iherb.com for only $7.00/per 12.75 oz - it should be arriving this week.

Catch you guys later and I'll soon post my results too!

Jos

[billw]

Hi Josee, Thanks for sharing and let us know how the coconut oil works for you.

Tonight I took 1 tbsp of coconut oil 30min before UBWO and I made it through everything with ease. I even followed up with 25min of cardio on the treadmill with energy to spare.

I can't wait until Wednesday and Friday. by Friday nights workout I'm usually straining to get finished.

Hey Zeus, If I skip the weekend carbup and just do coconut oil before each workout what would you call it? ;)

COTKD (Coconut Oil Targeted Ketogenic Diet) :roll:



LMAO! :lol:
Bill

[cmorera]

I can't take all this talk of coconut oil!! AArrrgghh, FedEx 'damaged' my shipment in the mail, so they have to resend another, anyways, the whole process is taking far too long, I want my coconut oil now for experimentation! And with all this talk I just can't help but feel left out. I think I need to see a coconut oil therapist.

Some notes with me:
Took tweek for a morning run yesterday(haven't done that before) and, wow, I was unstoppable. Up hills, intervals here and there, tadow, solid run for sure. Too bad I ended up spraining my foot somehow caus' I guess I wan't feeling pain with the tweek and all, adrenalin overload. So now I can't walk at all. Is this my punishment for using fat burners? I hope not.

CKD continues, I get heat everyday from my classmates, 'bring the pink heavy cream today?" (I am using strawberry Whey protein). People totally think I am whacko and have no idea what the hell or why the hell I am doing this CKD thing. I try to explain and peoples faces go blank. Wom't sway me, however. Damn carb eaters......


(BTW By tweek I mean ECA stack, Ripped Fuel in my case. Didn't mean to confuse anyone there)


PS Do you think if you took ECA + Coconut Oil your body would physically melt? just a thought

[Zeus]

Hey Zeus, If I skip the weekend carbup and just do coconut oil before each workout what would you call it?

-I would say you're coco'nuts' for trying that... no, nothing?

[fridayeyes]

Here's something I had to share with you guys!

Pineapple Pina Colada

1/3 coconut milk
1/3 heavy cream
1/3 SF Pineapple drink mix
Splenda

Shake or blend with crushed ice. Tastes like heaven going down, Hot flush arrives 15 mins later. If you can't find the drink mix, play with some pineapple extract and water or SF pineapple jello until you get what you like.

Cheers,

Friday

[kattgerrl]

Wow - that pineapple coconut concoction sounds yummy!! Thanks for the idea!! BTW, where do you pick up SF pineapple drink mix? I just received my coco shipment today - whoohoo!

Jos

[fridayeyes]

Look for Pineapple Kool-Aid (hard to find) or Crystal Light. You might have to use a tropical mix instead of just pineapple. Extract is in the baking section and Jello is with... Jello. :) The Jello tastes just as good, but use it sparingly and remember to add water. I haven't tried letting this jell all the way, but I might!

Cheers,

Friday

[slim gym]

I mixed 4T (60ml) of coconut milk, ~ 3/4 cup water, ~ 2T Saco blended cocoa and splenda. Heat and serve!

Here is the info from the Thai Kitchen brand of coconut milk that I used:

serving size 2 oz (60ml)
servings per container 7
calories 124
total fat 12g
(saturated fat - 7g)
cholesterol 0g
sodium 13mg
total carb 3g
fiber 0g
sugars 1g
protein 1g

Ingredients: coconut milk, guar gum (a natural emulsifier).

The 14 oz can cost me $1.99

The health food store also had a "lite" version of this, which of course had less fat in it - so beware.

[slim gym]

BTW, from everything I have read over at coconut-info.com, you don't have to only ingest the oil; check out this link to information on lauric acid from various sources (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut-info/files/CoconutVariety.gif)

I have used the dessicated, unsweetened coconut and the oil. I tried the milk tonight and I will check out iHerb for the butter.

The addition of the coconut products has seemed to make a change. I am waiting another week to post my results.

Thanks for the great discussion. :wave:

[kattgerrl]

Thanks for the pineapple mix tip Friday, and same to you slim gym for the new recipe - I'll be picking up both tonight ;) . BTW, I received the coconut butter yesterday, and it has a nice medium consistency (not like lard) - not like the coco butter you use for your skin. When it melts, it's clear.

Chat with you all later!

Jos

[billw]

Great recipes. I am looking forward to trying them out. I love pina colada's. I got hooked on the about 20 years ago down in Key West Florida. The closest that I have been able to get in duplicating them is to use

1 can frozen bacardi pina colada mix
fill the empty pina colada mix can halfway with rum.
mix well in blender.
add 1 to 2 scoops of vanilla ice cream or 1/2 cup heavy cream.
mix well again.
add ice to blender until the mixture is thick and smooth.
pour into glass and top with whipped cream.
enjoy

The pina colada's acctually pointed me in the right direction to the coconut oil. When I started the CKD I made a pitcher for DW and myself on the first friday night carbup and I noticed that my temp was higher the next morning. At first I figured it was because of the alcohol. I remebered reading a post somewhere here about someone losing weight like crazy taking coconut oil so I started researching. A few more carbups and a few more pitchers later followed by higher morning temps and I knew something was up.


I tried 1 tbsp lastnight 30 min. before my LBWO and I had plenty of energy and didn't feel like I was straining to complete my last few sets.

Bill

[Zeus]

Coconut oil definitely does not deserve this much attention. The end.

[itsjoyful]

such an unsupported statement ;)

could you expand on this...
Peace,
Brenda

[Zeus]

such an unsupported statement

could you expand on this...
Peace,
Brenda

-Well, if you know me... you'd know that I'd have a reason for saying that. My reason being- it's no more useful than using 'MCTs' (by itself)... which have been known to negate fat-burning on a ketogenic diet (whether it be a 'CKD' ... or whatever). Let's refer back to the ole' 'BODYOPUS' book and see what Dan Duchaine said about coconut oil:

"Coconut oil is a distant second to purified MCTs. Remember, other than the MCTs, the rest of coconut oil is as saturated as egg yolk fat. There are more interesting food choices that contain saturated fats".

[itsjoyful]

Zeus~
I'm hopin' you read my post knowing I was not dissin' you. The info you gave was exactly what I was looking for. I'm currently reading Lyle's book, and have yet to read BodyOpus. Thanks for the info!
Peace,
brenda

[cmorera]

Originally posted by Zeus
Coconut oil definitely does not deserve this much attention. The end.


Ahahaha, that is rich. Can anyone guess what Zeus had for breakfast today??? ANSWER: Haterade!! AHhahahaha, haterade, I love that one.

Props to the new picture Zeus, and for keeping the sense of humor and wit around.

Happy Thursday everyone

[fridayeyes]

It may be a 'distant second', but it's hella cheaper and tastes good, too.

:)

Friday

[kattgerrl]

Hehehe :cool:

Right on Friday! Yeah, coconut is fun too! Besides - even if coco oil/milk has as much saturated fat as egg yolks - it's just as or even more versatile IMHO.

Jos

[Zeus]

Can anyone guess what Zeus had for breakfast today??? ANSWER: Haterade!! AHhahahaha, haterade, I love that one.

-How'd you guess? Actually, I've had to lay off the 'Haterade'... 30 grams of evil/hatred filled carbs per serving. Damn... I wish I had some 'Haterade' right about now.

[billw]

Originally posted by Zeus
"I gained 30 lbs of muscle in 30 days using coconut oil! It suppresses my appetite and it also makes me much more attractive to the ladies! Try coconut oil- your life will never be the same again, I guarantee it!" -billw



:lol: HA HA HA HA. I couldn't have said it better myself. :D


:p Yeah them Hooter girls in Chicago really liked it. ;)


lol
Bill

[Zeus]

Yeah them Hooter girls in Chicago really liked it

-Damn, I need to get some coconut oil a.s.a.p.! Hmm, come to think of it- coconut oil is a very versatile product (Zzzzing!).

[billw]

Originally posted by Zeus


-Damn, I need to get some coconut oil a.s.a.p.! Hmm, come to think of it- coconut oil is a very versatile product (Zzzzing!).


That's true. If you can't eat it or drink it you can always find something to rub it on! :eek:

[Zeus]

That's true. If you can't eat it or drink it you can always find something to rub it on!

-Ok, I'm going to leave that alone. This is getting a little too easy. :D

[cmorera]

LOL. CKD forumn just turned into Def Comedy Dam online version.

hehe, I did get my coconut oil today,
I plan on taking an ECA stack, + this coconut oil, + Clembuterol + wear a rubber suit and wear vibrating heat beads..........RIDE THE SNAKE!!!!!!!


Scam me!

[Zeus]

I plan on taking an ECA stack, + this coconut oil, + Clembuterol + wear a rubber suit and wear vibrating heat beads..........RIDE THE SNAKE!!!!!!!

-Make sure you add some 'T3' while you're at it. :rolleyes:

[billw]

Don't forget the gugglesterones. :p

In my copy of BODY OPUS on page 276 Dan Duchaine says this about coconut oil.

"In the Ultimate Diet, I advocated the use of MCT's, which convert to ketones quickly. MCT's, Unfortunately, are one of these exotic supplements that are not readily available, even in health food stores. Since most MCT's are derived from coconut oil, you can use that instead. Unfortunately the rest of coconut oil is long-chain saturated fat. Frankly, I have no problem with saturared fats on no-carbohydrate diets. Yes saturated fats reduce insulin sensitivity, but with no carbohydrates and no insulin, what's the problem? Short-chain triglycerides (SCTs) are as readily available to the liver as MCTs, and plain dairy butter can supply you with small amounts of SCTs. Personally, I have problems with both coconut oil and butter: I just don't like the taste of either. I would prefer to only use C-10 MCTs because I have had problems with most commercial blends. However, C-10 MCT supplements are not available yet."

Sounds to me like he just doesn't like the taste of coconut oil. Otherwise no problems.

since one of the main objectives of a CKD or TKD is to replenish the glucose in the muscles to use as fuel and boost energy to enhance workout performance at the cost of being knocked out of ketosis then wouldn't it be better to get the energy boost for better workouts from a food or supplement that does not knock you out of ketosis? While it may be true that when burning the MCTs you are not burning body fat yo never get out of ketosis. The constant switch in and out of ketosis can cause some people problems.

The idea here is that you may be able to get the same workout performance enhancements by using the MCTs in coconut oil for the energy boost instead of carbs and at the same time never being knocked out of ketosis. Wouldn't this result in greater fat loss since you would never be out of ketosis?

I personally have never gotten more than marginal results from using ECA stacks or other metabolism boosters. When I took the coconut oil the first time the energy boost was amazing. Not to mention other health benefits I am getting from it.

Increased metabolism, energy, better mood, better sleep, rising HDL, falling LDL, falling Triglycerides, Increased labido(DW loves this one!)

Tonights workout will settle it for me. If I have no problems with performance like I usually do on the Friday night workout, then I will try skipping the carbup this weekend and see how thing go next week.

Bill

[Zeus]

I'm starting to think you have some sort of unhealthy fetish with coconut oil. Bill, slowly back away from the coconut oil... you aren't suppose to put it 'there' ... sheesh.

[billw]

What supplement should I take for OCD (Obsesive compulsive disorder) Or is what I have called OWCOD (Obsessed With Coconut Oil Disorder)? :confused:


Wait ------- Is that Zeus I see coming out of the health food store?

What's that he is carying? Is it, Is it? Oh no! I can't say. :bash:

:roll:


Tonights Workout was very good. I did a complete body circuit which is more than I have been able to do so far on a friday night before carbup. I am officially pooped. :(

This has been the best week I have had since starting the CKD.
I shot up to 228 :mad: after my week long carbup in Chicago which turned into 2 weeks cause I had so much fun. Getting back on Induction Monday I went from 228 to 214 this morning. I will skip the carbup this weekend and see if I can reach new lows next week.

Bill

[Gettin'Low]

I've been reading through these forums and am glad I found this one. Recently, I read Lyle McD's UD2.0 and made some adaptations to my CKD. I went to the healthfood store for coconut oil. Within a number of minutes after ingestion, I'm breaking a sweat. Time for another cardio session!

[Meg_S]

Am I the only one who doesn't notice anything with coconut? :(
Ok.. I DID notice that eating it before hiking gave me killer endurance, even though I ate almost nothing else... but besides that. I still like it though. Keep the coconut reviews coming :)

Why shouldn't Bill put the coconut oil there? It's wone of those multipurpose wonderproducts!

[jagbender]

I have found Virgin coconut oil at Camden Gray essential oils
http://www.camdengrey.com/ Search coconut oil $58.00 for 8 pounds = 1 gallon. They have smaller sizes available.

Jag

[Trainerdan]

I just don't like the tropical oils ... personal thing I suppose.

I never tried it though. One of my protein products contains MCT, so I get what I need. My energy is fine most of the time ... and I stopped taking EC stacks. Just caffeine now.

[nacmeister]

I have been monitoring this thread on coconut oil and noticed that
there are some looking for ways to add this to your diets. I just
finished reading an article on MCFA's in First magazine. The
low down is on page 30 and there are suggestions and some
recipes on page 32.

Nick

[Jezebel]

I have started a TKD kinda thang.....basically induction atkins style with glucose before and after weight workouts. went a bit over board with my carbs in my pre and post workout shakes and when I tested after I got homeI was not showing any ketones thru my ketostix(yes I realise they are not gospel) but after having a tablespoon of coconut oil, walking to shops and having a low carb dinner( 1.5 hrs after showing no ketones)I am showing trace ketones again...hurah! :thup:

[Trash44]

Oh this thread is a riot!!! hehehehe I LOVE IT!!!

Bill...."Mr. COCONUT MAN"

Any new experiences with the coconut oil? What is your final statement on the matter? "Recommended dosages"?

Thanks
Steve

[ZenLC]

I'm definately interested in hearing more long-term experiences also... I may have to take a trip to Vitamin Cottage tomorrow and see what I can find :).

[scorps]

okay so im interested to know why this thread suddenly died, seems everyone was pretty much impressed with the oil so guys hows it going then

[Trash44]

Hey bro, It was dead long before I posted a few messages back. I have had good experience with the coconut oil... actually I've been using coconut milk. If you can find an asian grocery store the stuff is dirt cheap. It's great for getting your calories. I throw some coconut milk (more like mush), 2 scoops of vanilla whey protien, 2 packs of splenda, some ice cubes and maybe a little heavy cream, if I need to bump my calories up, into my mixer. Goes down smooth!

[skinnyRay]

hi this thread is a riot. :lol: I read the whole thing. while i struggled with some of the acronyms (getting there) is was wondering if anyone has used it while doing food combining?

I am doing my own version of montignac/sommersize and wondered if taking the oil with my carbs meals (not supposed to take carbs with fats) would set me back or not? I've been doing so well (7kg bout 15pds in 3 weeks) so i am not game enough to try it. however the coconut site says it helps to stop the sugar dips caused by carbs.

Anyway i'd love to hear from anyone who has been using coconut oil combined with carbs etc? :wave:

Also what is the recomended body temp? what's high and what's low? :confused: