Allergic to MSG and Wine, is there anything I can do?

[lovemother]

I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these days
contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found out that
fast food places also use it, which explains why I felt like
crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it seems like both
White and Red wine affect me. Even when I go on wine tasting
trips, where I just sip different wines (where the volume is
less than 1 glass), I get headaches in the front of my head,
just above the bridge of my nose. I also get tired, to the
point where I have fallen assleep and generally just have that
"sick" feeling. And for some reason, other types of alcohol
does not affect me like this. And for MSG I get a similar
reaction. To anyone who suffers from this, have you found
something that you can take before drinking wine or eating a
food with MSG that prevents this type of reaction? Thanks

[Aec]

<lovemother71@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504@posting.google.com...
> I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
> sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these
> days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found out
> that fast food places also use it, which explains why I felt
> like crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it seems like
> both White and Red wine affect me. Even when I go on wine
> tasting trips, where I just sip different wines (where the
> volume is less than 1 glass), I get headaches in the front
> of my head, just above the bridge of my nose. I also get
> tired, to the point where I have fallen assleep and
> generally just have that "sick" feeling. And for some
> reason, other types of alcohol does not affect me like this.
> And for MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who suffers
> from this, have you found something that you can take before
> drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that prevents this
> type of reaction?

That's really too bad - I would definitely go see an allergy
doctor, if I were you, because an MSG allergy can be very bad
and the doctor would know what to advise you best.

One of my very good friends is very allergic to MSG: she will
end up in bed for several days after having just a small
amount. She checks out restaurants before eating there to make
sure they don't use MSG, and even then she has had nasty
surprises - I think if there was something one could take, she
would have it...but I don't know. Anne

[Dimitri]

<lovemother71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504@posting.google.com...
> I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
> sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these
> days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found out
> that fast food places also use it, which explains why I felt
> like crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it seems like
> both White and Red wine affect me. Even when I go on wine
> tasting trips, where I just sip different wines (where the
> volume is less than 1 glass), I get headaches in the front
> of my head, just above the bridge of my nose. I also get
> tired, to the point where I have fallen assleep and
> generally just have that "sick" feeling. And for some
> reason, other types of alcohol does not affect me like this.
> And for MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who suffers
> from this, have you found something that you can take before
> drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that prevents this
> type of reaction? Thanks

Without medical recommendation - a friend's brother has a
similar problem which he believes stems from the pollens which
are naturally found in wines. He has solved his adverse
reaction problem by taking a 1/2 dose an over the counter
non-drowsy anti-histamine prior or just after consuming the
wine. I can not attest to the efficacy of reaction as it may
just be a placebo effect. As always consult your physician
first before accepting or acting upon medical advise.

Good luck

Dimitri.

[Margaret S]

Dimitri wrote:
>
> <lovemother71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504@posting.google.com...
> > I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
> > sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these
> > days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found
> > out that fast food places also use it, which explains why
> > I felt like crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it
> > seems like both White and Red wine affect me. Even when I
> > go on wine tasting trips, where I just sip different wines
> > (where the volume is less than 1 glass), I get headaches
> > in the front of my head, just above the bridge of my nose.
> > I also get tired, to the point where I have fallen assleep
> > and generally just have that "sick" feeling. And for some
> > reason, other types of alcohol does not affect me like
> > this. And for MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who
> > suffers from this, have you found something that you can
> > take before drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that
> > prevents this type of reaction? Thanks
>
Try finding a wine that has no sulfites in it. If such wines
exists.....

Or, ask Victor. He knows a great deal about wines and probably
about MSG as well.

[Jack Schid]

"Margaret Suran" <msuran@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:3D1D99A8.5C4889D9@rcn.com...
> Dimitri wrote:
> >
> > <lovemother71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504@posting.google.com...
> > > I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind
> > > of sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods
> > > these days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even
> > > found out that fast food places also use it, which
> > > explains why I felt like crap after eating KFC. As far
> > > as wine, it seems like both White and Red wine affect
> > > me. Even when I go on wine tasting trips, where I just
> > > sip different wines (where the volume is less than 1
> > > glass), I get headaches in the front of my head, just
> > > above the bridge of my nose. I also get tired, to the
> > > point where I have fallen assleep and generally just
> > > have that "sick" feeling. And for some reason, other
> > > types of alcohol does not affect me like this. And for
> > > MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who suffers from
> > > this, have you found something that you can take before
> > > drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that prevents
> > > this type of reaction? Thanks
> >
> Try finding a wine that has no sulfites in it. If such wines
> exists.....
>
> Or, ask Victor. He knows a great deal about wines and
> probably about MSG as well.

Eh? Oh, you say he's got a lot of experience with Madison
Square Garden?

wotta guy!

Jack Johnson

[Alistair G]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:09:55 GMT, baranick@f-tech.net
(<RJ>) wrote:

>
>I'm reminded of the Mel Brooks skit;
>
>Patient; "Doctor, it hurts when I do this".....
>
>Doctor; "Then don't do that" !

Every doc I have ever met, including the clods in my family,
delight in the same joke. I guess it just confirms my opinion
of their IQ and sense of humour.

Next week: "Big Breaths" and juvenile med students.

--
alistair

[Dimitri]

"Larry Preuss" <LPreuss@NocomNocast.net> wrote in message
news:B94364F4.927%LPreuss@NocomNocast.net...
> in article
> GClT8.393$ZH3.20122741@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com, Dimitri
> at dimitri_d@prodigy.net wrote on 6/29/02 12:53 PM:
>
> >
> > "Larry Preuss" <LPreuss@NocomNocast.net> wrote:
>
> >> This could hardly be a pollen problem. Wine is made from
> >> grapes, which
are
> >> the fruit developed following long after the successful
> >> pollination of
the
> >> flower. By the time the grapes are harvested, the pollen
> >> is long gone. Larry
> >
>
> > Dimitri -comment - In addition if you think the air in
> > "wine growing country has no pollens you bonkers Oh yes
> > and the persons brother who
had
> > the allergy was a research chemist. And many are correct
> > he took the anti-histamine before going to bed.
> >
> > Dimitri
>
> Dimitri, I think it unfortunate that you must call names,
> thinking that doing so makes your point. The poster said
> that he thought he might be having trouble with wine because
> of its pollen content. There is no grape pollen in wine, for
> the reason I mentioned above.

A. I never said it was "wine" pollen. Just pollens (see #
1) which in that individual did in fact produce an
alergic reaction (releasing histiamines see below # 2)

# 1 What is pollen?

Plants produce microscopic round or oval pollen grains to
reproduce. In some species, the plant uses the pollen from its
own flowers to fertilize itself. Other types must be
cross-pollinated; that is, in order for fertilization to take
place and seeds to form, pollen must be transferred from the
flower of one plant to that of another plant of the same
species. Insects do this job for certain flowering plants,
while other plants rely on wind transport.

The types of pollen that most commonly cause allergic
reactions are produced by the plain-looking plants (trees,
grasses, and weeds) that do not have showy flowers. These
plants manufacture small, light, dry pollen granules that are
custom-made for wind transport. Samples of ragweed pollen have
been collected 400 miles out at sea and 2 miles high in the
air. Because airborne pollen is carried for long distances, it
does little good to rid an area of an offending plant--the
pollen can drift in from many miles away. In addition, most
allergenic pollen comes from plants that produce it in huge
quantities. A single ragweed plant can generate a million
grains of pollen a day.

# 2 Histamine

A hormone/chemical transmitter (biogenic monoamine, similar to
serotonine, epinephrine, norepinephrine) involved in local
immune responses, regulating stomach acid production and in
allergic reactions as a mediator of Immediate
Hypersensitivity.

When released from mast cells, histamine causes vasodilation
and an increase in permeability of blood vessel walls. These
effects, in turn cause the familiar symptoms of allergy
including a runny nose and watering eyes. When released in the
lungs, histamine causes the airways to swell shut in an
attempt to close the door on offending allergens and keep them
out. Unfortunately, the ultimate result of this response is
the wheezing and difficulty in breathing seen in people with
asthma - an occasionally deadly allergic complication which
kills an estimated 4000 Americans yearly. See also :
Antihistamine.

Oh yes and BTW I am an allergy sufferer and I know what both
are from personal experience.

You can find regional pollen counts here:
http://www.aaaai.org/nab/pollen.stm

Dimitri

[Larry Preu]

in article rtnT8.451$p94.21890090@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com,
Dimitri at dimitri_d@prodigy.net wrote on 6/29/02 3:00 PM:

>>
>> Dimitri, I think it unfortunate that you must call names,
>> thinking that doing so makes your point. The poster said
>> that he thought he might be having trouble with wine
>> because of its pollen content. There is no grape pollen in
>> wine, for the reason I mentioned above.
>
> A. I never said it was "wine" pollen. Just pollens (see #
> 1) which in that individual did in fact produce an
> alergic reaction (releasing histiamines see below # 2)

Heavily edit those posts you comment upon and you can often
avoid coming to grips with the question. Larry

[Dimitri]

"Larry Preuss" <LPreuss@NocomNocast.net> wrote in message
news:B9439329.933%LPreuss@NocomNocast.net... <snip>
> Heavily edit those posts you comment upon and you can often
> avoid coming
to
> grips with the question. Larry

Go pound Sand!

Dimitri

[Michelle]

Stop eating crappy food. That prevents it. Michelle
www.twistedfool.com

[Victor Sac]

Margaret Suran <msuran@rcn.com> wrote:

> Or, ask Victor. He knows a great deal about wines and
> probably about MSG as well.

You are trying to butter me up.

I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is such
a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring in a
*lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be added to
anything to be there - and is practically unavoidable. It is
in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish, mushrooms, vegetables, etc.
If people had MSG allergies, they would be sick all the time.
As to sulfites, while there is some believable evidence of
allergy to them, one has to keep in mind that most
commercially distributed wines contain very little amounts of
sulfites indeed, US bottle labelling notwithstanding (in
Europe, such labelling is actually discouraged). In fact,
persons who are sensitive to such low levels of sulfites will
surely be under strict medical supervision of their diets, for
there is a much higher level of sulfites in other foodstuffs,
which would presumably be letal for them.

Victor

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, sackv@uni-duesseldorf.de (Victor
Sack) wrote:

>I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is
>such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring
>in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be
>added to anything to be there - and is practically
>unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish,
>mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had MSG allergies,
>they would be sick all the time.

I quote from this page:
http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/msg-mark.txt

Tests have shown that tomatoes and mushrooms contain a
very small amount of *free* glutamic acid (despite what
the Glutamate Association claims). It is not a highly
concentrated excitotoxic product like HVP and presents no
problems when eaten in reasonable amounts except for
individuals highly sensitive to MSG.

The rest of that article is worth reading. And Mark Gold has
more at: http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Frogleg]

On 29 Jun 2002 02:24:37 -0700, lovemother71@yahoo.com wrote:

>I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG.

This site has a whole flock of references to MSG and allergy.
(Both sides of question.)

http://www.msgtruth.org/allergy.htm

You might also want to search on "sulfite allergy" or "wine
sulfites". And also check labels to see if sulfite-free wines
are OK for you.

[Dave Smith]

Priscilla Ballou wrote:

>
> Problems with wine can often be problems with sulfites used
> to treat the grapes. Look for wine labeled as being without
> sulfites. I *think* Trader Joes may have some, but I don't
> drink wine, so I'm not sure. I gathered this information in
> the alt.support.headaches.migraine.

My wife has recently be told by her allergist not to drink
whine because she is allergic to yeast.

[Larry Preu]

in article 3D1F525A.DBA7BE33@sympatico.ca, Dave Smith at
adavid.smith@sympatico.ca wrote on 6/30/02 2:47 PM:

> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>
>>
>> Problems with wine can often be problems with sulfites used
>> to treat the grapes. Look for wine labeled as being without
>> sulfites. I *think* Trader Joes may have some, but I don't
>> drink wine, so I'm not sure. I gathered this information in
>> the alt.support.headaches.migraine.
>
> My wife has recently be told by her allergist not to drink
> whine because she is allergic to yeast.

What did her allergist say about beer, which is much yeastier
than wine? Lp

[Pat Meadow]

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:25:21 +0200, sackv@uni-duesseldorf.de
(Victor Sack) wrote:

>Margaret Suran <msuran@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> Or, ask Victor. He knows a great deal about wines and
>> probably about MSG as well.
>
>You are trying to butter me up.
>
>I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is
>such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring
>in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be
>added to anything to be there - and is practically
>unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish,
>mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had MSG allergies,
>they would be sick all the time.

I wonder about this.

Allergies work cumulatively. Most people can tolerate a
certain allergen-load without symptoms, but a little more than
their tolerable-dose can cause symptoms.

So people could be able to tolerate cheese, tomatoes, meat,
fish, mushrooms, and vegetables but have trouble with MSG
powder, as it would *added to* the naturally-occuring MSG
already in the foods.

ALso, I'd expect that MSG powder would be a larger, much more
concentrated dose of MSG than is found in foods.

Pat

[Priscilla]

In article <i1mthu88dquoj650jh8j7bka9oco2i3jhq@4ax.com>, Don
Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, sackv@uni-duesseldorf.de (Victor
> Sack) wrote:
>
> >I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is
> >such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring
> >in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be
> >added to anything to be there - and is practically
> >unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish,
> >mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had MSG allergies,
> >they would be sick all the time.
>
> I quote from this page:
> http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/msg-mark.txt
>
> Tests have shown that tomatoes and mushrooms contain a
> very small amount of *free* glutamic acid (despite what
> the Glutamate Association claims). It is not a highly
> concentrated excitotoxic product like HVP and presents
> no problems when eaten in reasonable amounts except for
> individuals highly sensitive to MSG.
>
> The rest of that article is worth reading. And Mark Gold has
> more at: http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/
>
> Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

Leaving the topic of allergy for a moment, there are people
who get migraines who find that MSG and/or sulfites can
trigger migraines in them. This is different from an
allergy, however.

Priscilla
--
"Love is not something wonderful that you feel; it is
something difficult that you do." -- Elizabeth Goudge

[Michael Si]

Dave Smith wrote:
> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>
>
>>Problems with wine can often be problems with sulfites used
>>to treat the grapes. Look for wine labeled as being without
>>sulfites. I *think* Trader Joes may have some, but I don't
>>drink wine, so I'm not sure. I gathered this information in
>>the alt.support.headaches.migraine.
>
>
> My wife has recently be told by her allergist not to drink
> whine because she is allergic to yeast.

She wasn't told this by an MD, was she?

[Zxcvbob]

> Dimitri, are you posting from the US? I ask because I don't
> know of any OTC non-drowsy antihistamine available here.
>
> Priscilla

Try chlorpheniramine (sp?) Cheap little yellow generic
tablets.

Best regards, Bob

[Priscilla]

In article <3D1F6FF0.FDDA775A@area51online.net>, zxcvbob
<bob@area51online.net> wrote:

> > Dimitri, are you posting from the US? I ask because I
> > don't know of any OTC non-drowsy antihistamine
> > available here.

>
> Try chlorpheniramine (sp?) Cheap little yellow generic
> tablets.

I seem to recall that being an ingredient in some OTC med that
made me sleepy, althought it might not have been that
ingredient.

In any event, I have a prescription for Allegra, which works
quite well for me. I was just curious because I know there's
been some discussion of either Claritin or Allegra being
available OTC sometime soon.

Priscilla
--
"Love is not something wonderful that you feel; it is
something difficult that you do." -- Elizabeth Goudge

[Dave Smith]

Larry Preuss wrote:

> >> Problems with wine can often be problems with sulfites
> >> used to treat the grapes. Look for wine labeled as being
> >> without sulfites. I *think* Trader Joes may have some,
> >> but I don't drink wine, so I'm not sure. I gathered this
> >> information in the alt.support.headaches.migraine.
> >
> > My wife has recently be told by her allergist not to drink
> > whine because she is allergic to yeast.
>
> What did her allergist say about beer, which is much
> yeastier than wine?
>

Beer was also on the list of food items to be avoided. She has
been allergic to yeast for years and, not being a fan of beer,
it was not a problem for her. She loves wine and was somehow
able to convince herself that there is only yeast in cheap
wine. I am also allergic to yeast, along with hops and malt.
The big difference is that I like beer and am willing to
tolerate mild side effects.

[Dave Smith]

Pat Meadows wrote:

> >I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is
> >such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring
> >in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be
> >added to anything to be there - and is practically
> >unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish,
> >mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had MSG allergies,
> >they would be sick all the time.
>
> I wonder about this.
>
> Allergies work cumulatively. Most people can tolerate a
> certain allergen-load without symptoms, but a little more
> than their tolerable-dose can cause symptoms.

This certainly seems to be true from my experience. When I was
first tested for allergies, I turned out to be mildly allergic
to a lot of the things I like; hops, malt, yeast, egg, tomato,
cheese, pork, potatoes. I could handle small amounts of each,
but used to get sick if I had beer and pizza. My wife's
allergies are more reactive than mine. I can tell by looking
at her if she has eaten anything to which she had a two or
three star reaction.

[Heather]

> >
> > >I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there is
> > >such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally occuring
> > >in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't have to be
> > >added to anything to be there - and is practically
> > >unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes, meat, fish,
> > >mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had MSG allergies,
> > >they would be sick all the time.
> > > >
> > > Leaving the topic of allergy for a moment, there are
> > > people who get
> migraines who find that MSG and/or sulfites can trigger
> migraines in them. This is different from an allergy,
> however.
>
> Priscilla

I get SEVERE migraines when I eat ANYTHING with MSG.

Does anyone know a website that has resturants that use MSG?

Heather

[Michel Bou]

Dans un moment de folie, heathp_buffy@hotmail.com
(Heather) écrivit:

>:
>> >
>> > >I can only say that I have very strong doubts if there
>> > >is such a thing as an MSG allergy. MSG is naturally
>> > >occuring in a *lot* of things with protein - it doesn't
>> > >have to be added to anything to be there - and is
>> > >practically unavoidable. It is in cheese, tomatoes,
>> > >meat, fish, mushrooms, vegetables, etc. If people had
>> > >MSG allergies, they would be sick all the time.
>> > > >
>> > > Leaving the topic of allergy for a moment, there are
>> > > people who get
>> migraines who find that MSG and/or sulfites can trigger
>> migraines in them. This is different from an allergy,
>> however.
>>
>> Priscilla
>
>
> I get SEVERE migraines when I eat ANYTHING with MSG.
>
> Does anyone know a website that has resturants that use MSG?

Wouldn't you want one with restaurants that *don't* use MSG?
For one thing, it would be MUCH shorter.

--

Au Québec, tout commence par un "Q" 'pi finit par un "bec".

Robert Charlebois

To contact me, take out the zed.

[Victor Sac]

Pat Meadows <pat@meadows.pair.com> wrote:

> Allergies work cumulatively. Most people can tolerate a
> certain allergen-load without symptoms, but a little more
> than their tolerable-dose can cause symptoms.

Allergies work cumulatively in the sense that cumulative
exposure usually leads to sensitisation and then to ever more
serious reaction. MSG being present in such a large number of
foods, the exposure is continuous. It has been postulated that
MSG may act as a neurotoxin rather than allergen. I have no
public opinion on the subject.

> So people could be able to tolerate cheese, tomatoes, meat,
> fish, mushrooms, and vegetables but have trouble with MSG
> powder, as it would *added to* the naturally-occuring MSG
> already in the foods.
>
> ALso, I'd expect that MSG powder would be a larger, much
> more concentrated dose of MSG than is found in foods.

See, for example, _Multicenter, double-blind,
placebo-controlled, multiple challenge evaluation of reported
reactions to monosodium glutamate_ by Raif S. Geha, Alexa
Beiser, Clement Ren, et al, in Journal of Allergy and Clinical
Immunology, Novemer 2000, Volume 106, Number 5, p973 to p980.

Conclusion of the study: "The results suggest that large doses
of MSG given without food may elicit more symptoms than a
placebo in individuals who believe that they react adversely
to MSG. However, neither persistent nor serious effects from
MSG ingestion are observed, and the responses were not
consistent on retesting."

Victor

[Jon Nossen]

I would like to go back to "Lovemother71"'s original question.
She wrote (snip):

> As far as wine, it seems like both White and Red wine affect
> me. Even when I go on wine tasting trips, where I just sip
> different wines (where the volume is less than 1 glass), I
> get headaches in the front of my head, just above the bridge
> of my nose. I also get tired, to the point where I have
> fallen assleep and generally just have that "sick" feeling.
> And for some reason, other types of alcohol does not affect
> me like this.

I have the same problem in that I tend to both get headaches
and get very tired from drinking wine, especially red wine.
Having realized from this discussion and from various reading
on the web that the headaches probably aren't caused by either
sulfites or histamines, it seems that it's likely caused by
either tannins or the alcohol itself. I *think* I don't get
headaches as easily from other types of alcohol, but one thing
I am absolutely sure of: The tiredness comes only from
drinking wine, and more so from red wine than white wine. Does
anyone have an idea what causes the tiredness?

Thanks, Jon

[Donkee Kon]

lovemother71@yahoo.com wrote in
news:c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504 @posting.google.com:

> I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
> sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these
> days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found out
> that fast food places also use it, which explains why I felt
> like crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it seems like
> both White and Red wine affect me. Even when I go on wine
> tasting trips, where I just sip different wines (where the
> volume is less than 1 glass), I get headaches in the front
> of my head, just above the bridge of my nose. I also get
> tired, to the point where I have fallen assleep and
> generally just have that "sick" feeling. And for some
> reason, other types of alcohol does not affect me like this.
> And for MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who suffers
> from this, have you found something that you can take before
> drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that prevents this
> type of reaction? Thanks
>

Try organic wine.

[Don Wiss]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, sackv@uni-duesseldorf.de (Victor
Sack) wrote:

>See, for example, _Multicenter, double-blind,
>placebo-controlled, multiple challenge evaluation of
>reported reactions to monosodium glutamate_ by Raif S. Geha,
>Alexa Beiser, Clement Ren, et al, in Journal of Allergy and
>Clinical Immunology, Novemer 2000, Volume 106, Number 5,
>p973 to p980.
>
>Conclusion of the study: "The results suggest that large
>doses of MSG given without food may elicit more symptoms than
>a placebo in individuals who believe that they react
>adversely to MSG. However, neither persistent nor serious
>effects from MSG ingestion are observed, and the responses
>were not consistent on retesting."

No doubt a flawed study, like the earlier ones the MSG
industry has done. See various rebuttals here:
http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Larry Preu]

in article lsr1iucv7rvn17sec8e9im54h1h6k8s0cb@4ax.com, Don
Wiss at donwiss@no_spam.com wrote on 7/1/02 8:14 PM:

> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, sackv@uni-duesseldorf.de (Victor
> Sack) wrote:
>
>> See, for example, _Multicenter, double-blind,
>> placebo-controlled, multiple challenge evaluation of
>> reported reactions to monosodium glutamate_ by Raif S.
>> Geha, Alexa Beiser, Clement Ren, et al, in Journal of
>> Allergy and Clinical Immunology, Novemer 2000, Volume 106,
>> Number 5, p973 to p980.
>>
>> Conclusion of the study: "The results suggest that large
>> doses of MSG given without food may elicit more symptoms
>> than a placebo in individuals who believe that they react
>> adversely to MSG. However, neither persistent nor serious
>> effects from MSG ingestion are observed, and the responses
>> were not consistent on retesting."
>
> No doubt a flawed study, like the earlier ones the MSG
> industry has done. See various rebuttals here:
> http://www.holisticmed.com/msg/
>
> Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

Don, I must, must comment on this. I have noticed (how could
one not notice) that when you have a position, you conclude
that all contrary information or opinion must arise from
industrial conspiracy, without further examination and without
any evidence that you have read the studies you so casually
damn. I have read the Journal of Allergy, now called the
Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology, since 1961, with
the greatest respect for its ethics and the ethics of its
editors and its peer reviewers. Two of my teachers have been
editors of that Journal, and my ex-partner a peer reviewer. I
know Dr. Geha, and will not believe that he would present a
slanted study for a few dollars from an industrial interest.
What you imply about him is a slander. When you blindly
approach an article from the Journal with the comment, "No
doubt a flawed study," you reveal a great deal more about your
powers of discrimination and your pre-judgment (often referred
to as prejudice) than about the scientific material to which
you so scornfully refer. Larry, more than just *somewhat*
irritated.

[Gym Bob]

I have to pass out somewhere after half a glass of wine cooler
but straight wine doesn't do that to me..weird.

Ask about the barrel cleaning chemicals and the yeast stoppers
they use. Wines can be full of chemicals to insure purity and
no runaway wild bacterum.

<lovemother71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c0845622.0206290124.8ac3504@posting.google.com...
> I believe I may be allergic to wine and MSG. Which kind of
> sucks, when you enjoy drinking wine and many foods these
> days contain MSG, especially chinese food. I even found out
> that fast food places also use it, which explains why I felt
> like crap after eating KFC. As far as wine, it seems like
> both White and Red wine affect me. Even when I go on wine
> tasting trips, where I just sip different wines (where the
> volume is less than 1 glass), I get headaches in the front
> of my head, just above the bridge of my nose. I also get
> tired, to the point where I have fallen assleep and
> generally just have that "sick" feeling. And for some
> reason, other types of alcohol does not affect me like this.
> And for MSG I get a similar reaction. To anyone who suffers
> from this, have you found something that you can take before
> drinking wine or eating a food with MSG that prevents this
> type of reaction? Thanks

[Blacksalt]

Alistair Gale wrote:

> Every doc I have ever met, including the clods in my family,
> delight in the same joke. I guess it just confirms my
> opinion of their IQ and sense of humour.

No reflection on either, just their way of coping with a
recurring idiocy they see daily. My favourite hahas
about docs are:

A physician is one we put on hopes on when ill and our dogs on
when well.

Medicine: A stone flung down the Bowery to kill a dog on
Broadway. --The Devil's Dictionary

blacksalt who spent an extra hour of unpaid work today getting
a woman who was too catatonic to bathe and who spent all day
yesterday sobbing to agree to a voluntary admit to a mental
hospital. In this bloody state, I have no legal sway in
involuntary commisions. Since she said she "didn't want to
live" but "wasn't going to kill herself", the "mental health
specialist" who comes out to evaluate her legally has to let
her go. Ditto the man with the 5th overdose resulting in a
stay in the ICU in 6 months because the day after he always
says "I won't try to kill myself".