Grr! Where is there a useful 'allowed foods' list for Candida?

[me]

I'm confused by the wealth of terribly contradicting web sites
out there on what I can and can't eat on a Candida diet. I
don't want to keep having to post questions to newsgroups
every time I consider a new food, but find that there is
conflicting information about where it is great or terrible
for Candida. Even the replies on the newsgroups differ from
person to person.

E.g. I want to know if chick peas or hummus or "yeast free"
Spelt bread are acceptable. Some sites say "don't eat
chick peas or hummus because they are high-carb and
convert to sugar which feeds yeast." Some sites say
"chick peas are great as they are a slow-release carb and
don't feed the yeast" Some sites say "avoid bread
altogether" Some sites say "yeast free wholegrain bread
is okay" Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast'
still has loads of yeast in it"

!!! :@

So basically, where is a reliable page with every food known
to man clearly split up into "Allowed", "Allowed in
moderation", and "Not allowed"? If there isn't one, there
should be.

Yes, I am aware of the Candida FAQ page at
http://www.infosky.net/~alexmi/candida.htm but this is full of
spelling errors and doesn't even mention chick peas or bread
types. Also according to it, milk is a 'DIARY'. :)

If I sound annoyed, it's not with you the reader, it's pure
frustration and this awful diet. But I hear the results are
worth it, and I lab-tested +3 for significant Candida that
explains all my symptoms, so I do want to try it for a month.

Thanks in advance.

HS

[Lawrence F]

In article <OnIS8.10316$4o3.75742437@news-text.cableinet.net>,
<me@mine.com> wrote:
>I'm confused by the wealth of terribly contradicting web
>sites out there on what I can and can't eat on a Candida
>diet. I don't want to keep having to post questions to
>newsgroups every time I consider a new food, but find that
>there is conflicting information about where it is great or
>terrible for Candida. Even the replies on the newsgroups
>differ from person to person.

The big problem is the lack of any scientific approach to
these diets. As far as I can tell they are just one persons
theory about what will feed yeast. Two thoughts having tried
this approach, the anti candida diets do share one thing in
common, they will tend to improve blood sugar stability. They
also have one flaw, and thats the tendency to reduce fiber
consumption, yeast or no yeast my digestive system is much
happier on a high fiber diet.

>Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still has loads
>of yeast in it"

Never figured this one out. Why the concern about consumption
of dead yeast? I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if
it causes no reaction, why not.

>So basically, where is a reliable page with every food known
>to man clearly split up into "Allowed", "Allowed in
>moderation", and "Not allowed"? If there isn't one, there
>should be.

This would require some actual studies of diets and outcome,
something which I don't think anyone has done. This is not to
disregard the yeast hypothesis, conventional medicine is too
quick to deny the possible role of intestinal flora and diet
in disease. This is absurd since H. Pylori is being regularly
shown to contribute to all sorts of things, even migraine.
However alternative medicine is too quick to propose remedies
and say they are 'the truth' without even doing a vaguely
scientific test of the remedy.

In my case I benefited from the diet, but as far as I can tell
only because it stopped my blood sugar swings. I benefited
even more when I started eating a decent amount of fruit, and
otherwise ignored the absurd sounding parts of the diet, such
as the vinegar prohibition.
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[Bryher]

The 'don't eat yeast' theory comes from the difficulty of
telling whether your symptoms are a yeast sensitivity or a
candida problem since they both can cause the same symptoms.
So you can either go yeast *and* sugar free, then add the
yeast foods back & see if you get a sensitivity reaction, or
you can just cut out the sugar (& refined carbs) if you don't
think you have a yeast sensitivity. It's a lot easier to do
this diet if you don't have to worry about cutting out the
yeast foods. I would just use your common sense once you have
read around the subject. I once saw a nutritionist about this
diet and her list of 'banned' or 'allowed' foods changed from
one month to the next.

> >Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still has
> >loads of yeast in it"
>
> Never figured this one out. Why the concern about
> consumption of dead
yeast?
> I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if it causes no
> reaction, why not.

[me]

Interesting! Can anyone else confirm if it is indeed possible
to eat yeast products in an anti-Candida diet?

Mushrooms?

I have never understood why yeast such as 'Brewer's Yeast'
would contribute to Candida. Candida Albicans is a specific
strain of bacteria, and there isn't much logic in the theory
that Baker's Yeast for example would cause Candida Albicans to
increase. Surely the two aren't compatible. And who ever heard
of 'Baker's Yeast Candida'. Putting more Baker's Yeast in your
stomach just means you digest it - I cannot imagine it
sticking to the Candida, then somehow turning into Candida
itself. And it's not a sugar, so Candida wouldn't necessarily
feed of it. I don't even think it's a carb.

Can anyone show any article or study or evidence or even a
reasonable theory as to why yeast in bread would increase
Candida Albicans?

Bryher, where did you hear that this theory began because of
someone's idea to rule-out yeast sensitivity at the same time
as Candida?

Luckily I have had a blood allergy/sensitivity test, and am
not allergic to yeast, and I would love to be able to
reintroduce it.

HS

"bryher" <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rMLS8.1504$xn1.152684@news8-gui.server.ntli.net...
> The 'don't eat yeast' theory comes from the difficulty of
> telling whether your symptoms are a yeast sensitivity or a
> candida problem since they both can cause the same symptoms.
> So you can either go yeast *and* sugar
free,
> then add the yeast foods back & see if you get a sensitivity
> reaction, or you can just cut out the sugar (& refined
> carbs) if you don't think you
have
> a yeast sensitivity. It's a lot easier to do this diet if
> you don't have
to
> worry about cutting out the yeast foods. I would just use
> your common
sense
> once you have read around the subject. I once saw a
> nutritionist about this diet and her list of 'banned' or
> 'allowed' foods changed from one
month
> to the next.
>
>
>
>
> > >Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still has
> > >loads of yeast
in
> > >it"
> >
> > Never figured this one out. Why the concern about
> > consumption of dead
> yeast?
> > I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if it causes
> > no reaction,
why
> > not.
> >

[Jay Tanzma]

bryher wrote:

> I once saw a nutritionist about this diet and her list
> of 'banned' or 'allowed' foods changed from one month to
> the next.

You forgot to put 'nutritionist' in quotes.

-Jay

[Ada]

HS,

This is not related directly to your question in this post but
may be of interest to you.

Clin Infect Dis 2001 Dec 15;33(12):E135-6 Related Articles,
Books, LinkOut Antifungal activity against Candida species of
the selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor, sertraline.
Lass-Florl C, Dierich MP, Fuchs D, Semenitz E, Ledochowski M.
Institutes of Hygiene and Social Medicine, University of
Innsbruck, Austria. Cornelia.Lass-Floerl@uibk.ac.at Three
patients with premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD) and
recurrent vulvovaginal candidiasis (VVC) underwent sertraline
therapy (Tresleen, a selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitor;
Pfizer) for PMDD. During sertraline intervention, patients had
no recurrent episodes of acute VVC. Antifungal activity was
observed for sertraline against various isolates of Candida
species. PMID: 11700578 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The full paper is at: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/jo-
urnal/issues/v33n12/010413/010413.html

In addition here is a report of another study by Lass-Florl C.
about the same subject.

ada

Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy 2001;48:775-779.
University of Innsbruck Lass-Floerl C. Newer
Depression-Fighting Drugs Attack Fungus, Too Newer
antidepressant drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors (SSRIs) may be able to abolish fungal infections as
well as depression, a report suggests. An Austrian research
team had previously found that SSRIs, a family of drugs that
includes the popular Prozac, could destroy several species of
Candida fungus. In their latest findings, Dr. Cornelia
Lass-Floerl of the University of Innsbruck and her colleagues
report that SSRIs can kill several other types of fungus as
well. The discovery of a potential new antifungal drug is
important, as fungal infections have become a serious cause of
death and disease in recent decades. The infections can be
particularly devastating for people with compromised immune
systems, premature infants and people having surgery. At
present, there are only a limited number of antifungal drugs
available to fight infections and these drugs are becoming
less useful as resistance to them develops. Furthermore,
antifungal drugs have significant side effects. The
researchers tested fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft),
paroxetine (Paxil), reboxetine and seroxate against samples of
several different types of fungus in the laboratory. The 31
different fungal samples, which were taken from patients,
included fungi from the Candida and Aspergillus families. All
of the drugs showed antifungal activity against the species
tested, and their activity increased with dosage and the
amount of time the fungi samples were exposed to the drugs.
Prozac and Zoloft had the most potent antifungal activity. The
drugs' inhibition of fungal growth was reversible, but fungi
exposed to the drug for a prolonged amount of time were
permanently destroyed. Several questions must be answered to
determine if SSRIs could indeed be used for treating fungal
infection, the authors note. But, they add, their findings
``probably provide a rationale'' for using preparations
containing SSRIs for local treatment of fungal infection.
``Animal models and clinical trials are highly warranted to
evaluate the potential role of SSRIs in the management of
fungal infections,'' Lass-Floerl and colleagues conclude.
Understanding exactly how the SSRIs exert their antifungal
effect could also be helpful in the development of new
antifungal agents, they add.

[Janor]

I have had some doubts since reading up on this diet. not only
are there so many contradictions, some of it doesn't seem
logical. I can imagine that any carbohydrate (even whole wheat
or chick peas even starchy vegetables and fruit) can be
converted to sugar which would feed candida. my problem is
with the ban on yeast, mushrooms, vinegar etc. logically they
couldn't feed a yeast. also wouldn't the acid present in the
stomach kill any live aspect of these foods anyway. that leads
to another thought. how can a probiotic that is ingested
without a stomach acid resistant coating reach the large
intestine? gaynor <me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:5kMS8.10721$Ur4.79035527@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Interesting! Can anyone else confirm if it is indeed
> possible to eat
yeast
> products in an anti-Candida diet?
>
> Mushrooms?
>
> I have never understood why yeast such as 'Brewer's
> Yeast' would
contribute
> to Candida. Candida Albicans is a specific strain of
> bacteria, and there isn't much logic in the theory that
> Baker's Yeast for example would cause Candida Albicans to
> increase. Surely the two aren't compatible. And who ever
> heard of 'Baker's Yeast Candida'. Putting more Baker's Yeast
> in your stomach just means you digest it - I cannot imagine
> it sticking to the Candida, then somehow turning into
> Candida itself. And it's not a sugar,
so
> Candida wouldn't necessarily feed of it. I don't even think
> it's a carb.
>
> Can anyone show any article or study or evidence or even a
> reasonable
theory
> as to why yeast in bread would increase Candida Albicans?
>
> Bryher, where did you hear that this theory began because of
> someone's
idea
> to rule-out yeast sensitivity at the same time as Candida?
>
> Luckily I have had a blood allergy/sensitivity test, and am
> not allergic
to
> yeast, and I would love to be able to reintroduce it.
>
> HS
>
> "bryher" <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:rMLS8.1504$xn1.152684@news8-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > The 'don't eat yeast' theory comes from the difficulty of
> > telling
whether
> > your symptoms are a yeast sensitivity or a candida problem
> > since they
both
> > can cause the same symptoms. So you can either go yeast
> > *and* sugar
> free,
> > then add the yeast foods back & see if you get a
> > sensitivity reaction,
or
> > you can just cut out the sugar (& refined carbs) if you
> > don't think you
> have
> > a yeast sensitivity. It's a lot easier to do this diet if
> > you don't
have
> to
> > worry about cutting out the yeast foods. I would just use
> > your common
> sense
> > once you have read around the subject. I once saw a
> > nutritionist about this diet and her list of 'banned' or
> > 'allowed' foods changed from one
> month
> > to the next.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still has
> > > >loads of
yeast
> in
> > > >it"
> > >
> > > Never figured this one out. Why the concern about
> > > consumption of dead
> > yeast?
> > > I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if it causes
> > > no reaction,
> why
> > > not.
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Bryher]

<me@mine.com> wrote in message
news:5kMS8.10721$Ur4.79035527@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
> Bryher, where did you hear that this theory began because of
> someone's
idea
> to rule-out yeast sensitivity at the same time as Candida?
>
> Luckily I have had a blood allergy/sensitivity test, and am
> not allergic
to
> yeast, and I would love to be able to reintroduce it.

Jonathan Brostoff (Prof of Allergy & Environmental health at
UCL London) explains the low sugar low yeast diet in ' The
Complete Guide to Food Allergy & Intolerance'... which is
where I got it from.

Keep in mind that the blood test was probably not 100%
reliable... but if you're finding the diet unbearable (which I
did btw) then bringing the yeast back in would seem like a
good idea. Incidentally I was told that I had to go on that
diet 3 months and that anyway it wouldn't work without
anti-fungal drugs or capryllic acid (herbal version). I had
allergic reactions to both those, so gave up!

[Bryher]

There is a discussion group on candida here:
http://www.healthyawareness.com/_pages/forums.htm

[me]

Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast feeds yeast?

Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed cabbage. Why
then should we believe mushroom feeds Candida?

HS

"janor" <janor80@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p3US8.10902$QE5.81346699@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I have had some doubts since reading up on this diet. not
> only are there
so
> many contradictions, some of it doesn't seem logical. I can
> imagine that
any
> carbohydrate (even whole wheat or chick peas even starchy
> vegetables and fruit) can be converted to sugar which would
> feed candida. my problem is with the ban on yeast,
> mushrooms, vinegar etc. logically they couldn't
feed
> a yeast. also wouldn't the acid present in the stomach kill
> any live
aspect
> of these foods anyway. that leads to another thought. how
> can a probiotic that is ingested without a stomach acid
> resistant coating reach the large intestine? gaynor
> <me@mine.com> wrote in message
> news:5kMS8.10721$Ur4.79035527@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > Interesting! Can anyone else confirm if it is indeed
> > possible to eat
> yeast
> > products in an anti-Candida diet?
> >
> > Mushrooms?
> >
> > I have never understood why yeast such as 'Brewer's
> > Yeast' would
> contribute
> > to Candida. Candida Albicans is a specific strain of
> > bacteria, and
there
> > isn't much logic in the theory that Baker's Yeast for
> > example would
cause
> > Candida Albicans to increase. Surely the two aren't
> > compatible. And
who
> > ever heard of 'Baker's Yeast Candida'. Putting more
> > Baker's Yeast in
your
> > stomach just means you digest it - I cannot imagine it
> > sticking to the Candida, then somehow turning into Candida
> > itself. And it's not a
sugar,
> so
> > Candida wouldn't necessarily feed of it. I don't even
> > think it's a
carb.
> >
> > Can anyone show any article or study or evidence or even a
> > reasonable
> theory
> > as to why yeast in bread would increase Candida Albicans?
> >
> > Bryher, where did you hear that this theory began because
> > of someone's
> idea
> > to rule-out yeast sensitivity at the same time as Candida?
> >
> > Luckily I have had a blood allergy/sensitivity test, and
> > am not allergic
> to
> > yeast, and I would love to be able to reintroduce it.
> >
> > HS
> >
> > "bryher" <bryher_m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:rMLS8.1504$xn1.152684@news8-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > > The 'don't eat yeast' theory comes from the difficulty
> > > of telling
> whether
> > > your symptoms are a yeast sensitivity or a candida
> > > problem since they
> both
> > > can cause the same symptoms. So you can either go yeast
> > > *and* sugar
> > free,
> > > then add the yeast foods back & see if you get a
> > > sensitivity reaction,
> or
> > > you can just cut out the sugar (& refined carbs) if you
> > > don't think
you
> > have
> > > a yeast sensitivity. It's a lot easier to do this diet
> > > if you don't
> have
> > to
> > > worry about cutting out the yeast foods. I would just
> > > use your common
> > sense
> > > once you have read around the subject. I once saw a
> > > nutritionist
about
> > > this diet and her list of 'banned' or 'allowed' foods
> > > changed from one
> > month
> > > to the next.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still
> > > > >has loads of
> yeast
> > in
> > > > >it"
> > > >
> > > > Never figured this one out. Why the concern about
> > > > consumption of
dead
> > > yeast?
> > > > I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if it
> > > > causes no
reaction,
> > why
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Suzee]

me@mine.com wrote:
>
> Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast
> feeds yeast?
>
> Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed cabbage.
> Why then should we believe mushroom feeds Candida?

Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of mold,
and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage would fit,
though sauerkraut and kim chee are fermented cabbage...

sue

[Jay Tanzma]

suzee wrote:
>
> me@mine.com wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast feeds
> > yeast?
> >
> > Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed cabbage.
> > Why then should we believe mushroom feeds Candida?
>
> Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of mold,
> and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage would fit,
> though sauerkraut and kim chee are fermented cabbage...

How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
crowd] What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what do you
burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches burn?
Because they are made of wood. So, how do we tell whether she
is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does wood sink in water?
No, it floats. What also floats in water? A duck! So,
logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
wood, and therefore is a witch.

-Jay

[Steve Harr]

Jay Tanzman wrote in message
<3D1CEBE8.25072A55@sph.llu.edu>...

>How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
>crowd] What do
you do
>with witches? Burn them! And what do you burn apart from
>witches? Wood!
So,
>why do witches burn? Because they are made of wood. So, how
>do we tell
whether
>she is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does wood sink in
>water? No, it floats. What also floats in water? A duck! So,
>logically, if she weighs
the
>same as a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore is a witch.

I was waiting till you got to the part where the guy thinks of
froth floatation centuries ahead of his time, and the audience
laughs at his stupidity...

SBH

--
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address. It's open book. A prize to the first spambot that
passes my Turing test.

[Suzee]

Jay Tanzman wrote:
>
> suzee wrote:
> >
> > me@mine.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast feeds
> > > yeast?
> > >
> > > Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed
> > > cabbage. Why then should we believe mushroom feeds
> > > Candida?
> >
> > Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of
> > mold, and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage would
> > fit, though sauerkraut and kim chee are fermented
> > cabbage...
>
> How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
> crowd] What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what do
> you burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches burn?
> Because they are made of wood. So, how do we tell whether
> she is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does wood sink in
> water? No, it floats. What also floats in water? A duck! So,
> logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
> wood, and therefore is a witch.

Hey, notice the question mark? It wasn't a statement of fact,
just a thought....

sue

[Jay Tanzma]

suzee wrote:
>
> Jay Tanzman wrote:
> >
> > suzee wrote:
> > >
> > > me@mine.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast
> > > > feeds yeast?
> > > >
> > > > Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed
> > > > cabbage. Why then should we believe mushroom feeds
> > > > Candida?
> > >
> > > Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of
> > > mold, and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage
> > > would fit, though sauerkraut and kim chee are fermented
> > > cabbage...
> >
> > How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
> > crowd] What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what do
> > you burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches
> > burn? Because they are made of wood. So, how do we tell
> > whether she is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does wood
> > sink in water? No, it floats. What also floats in water? A
> > duck! So, logically, if she weighs the same as a duck,
> > she's made of wood, and therefore is a witch.
>
> Hey, notice the question mark? It wasn't a statement of
> fact, just a thought....

So, logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of
wood, and therefore is a witch?

Better?

:-)

-Jay

[Suzee]

Jay Tanzman wrote:
>
> suzee wrote:
> >
> > Jay Tanzman wrote:
> > >
> > > suzee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > me@mine.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast
> > > > > feeds yeast?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed
> > > > > cabbage. Why then should we believe mushroom feeds
> > > > > Candida?
> > > >
> > > > Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of
> > > > mold, and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage
> > > > would fit, though sauerkraut and kim chee are
> > > > fermented cabbage...
> > >
> > > How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
> > > crowd] What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what
> > > do you burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches
> > > burn? Because they are made of wood. So, how do we tell
> > > whether she is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does
> > > wood sink in water? No, it floats. What also floats in
> > > water? A duck! So, logically, if she weighs the same as
> > > a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore is a witch.
> >
> > Hey, notice the question mark? It wasn't a statement of
> > fact, just a thought....
>
> So, logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made
> of wood, and therefore is a witch?
>
> Better?
>
> :-)

My post was meant to propose an idea as to why certain foods
might not be allowed on an anti Candida diet. I was making
suggestions which I thought proponents of such an idea might
say if they were relevant or not.

OK?

sue

[Don Wiss]

On 27 Jun 2002, entropy@farviolet.com (Lawrence Foard) wrote:

>The big problem is the lack of any scientific approach to
>these diets. As far as I can tell they are just one persons
>theory about what will feed yeast. Two thoughts having tried
>this approach, the anti candida diets do share one thing in
>common, they will tend to improve blood sugar stability. They
>also have one flaw, and thats the tendency to reduce fiber
>consumption, yeast or no yeast my digestive system is much
>happier on a high fiber diet.
>
>>Some sites say "bread marked 'no added yeast' still has
>>loads of yeast in it"
>
>Never figured this one out. Why the concern about consumption
>of dead yeast? I can see if someone is allergic to it, but if
>it causes no reaction, why not.

I have found numerous people that thought they suffered from
candida, but later found out that they really were gluten
intolerant. Since gluten and yeast go hand-in-hand in
cooking, avoiding yeast eliminates the food with the highest
gluten content.

You will find many candida diets remove all gluten, whether
there is yeast in the food or not.

Then I also have never figured out why dead yeast, and you can
be quite sure it is dead after being in a 350 degree oven, is
such a problem. The response from the candida book authors is
it is an allergic reaction.

Now if one really thinks that yeast is a problem, one can buy
some yeast packets and eat it with no other food. And you
could even cook it to make it dead.

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Andrew Cas]

who art thou, so wise in the ways of science?

Jay Tanzman wrote:
>
> suzee wrote:
> >
> > Jay Tanzman wrote:
> > >
> > > suzee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > me@mine.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Exactly. Can anyone here explain why/how/if yeast
> > > > > feeds yeast?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheese doesn't feed cheese. Cabbage doesn't feed
> > > > > cabbage. Why then should we believe mushroom feeds
> > > > > Candida?
> > > >
> > > > Because cheese tends to mold, mushrooms are a kind of
> > > > mold, and yeast is too? Not sure where fresh cabbage
> > > > would fit, though sauerkraut and kim chee are
> > > > fermented cabbage...
> > >
> > > How can we tell if she's a witch? [Blank stares from the
> > > crowd] What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what
> > > do you burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches
> > > burn? Because they are made of wood. So, how do we tell
> > > whether she is made of wood? [More blank stares] Does
> > > wood sink in water? No, it floats. What also floats in
> > > water? A duck! So, logically, if she weighs the same as
> > > a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore is a witch.
> >
> > Hey, notice the question mark? It wasn't a statement of
> > fact, just a thought....
>
> So, logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made
> of wood, and therefore is a witch?
>
> Better?
>
> :-)
>
> -Jay

[Andy Sprag]

<me@mine.com> pushed briefly to the front of the queue on Thu,
27 Jun 2002 17:59:10 GMT, and nailed this to the shed door:

^ I'm confused by the wealth of terribly contradicting web
sites out there on ^ what I can and can't eat on a Candida
diet. I don't want to keep having to ^ post questions to
newsgroups every time I consider a new food, but find that ^
there is conflicting information about where it is great or
terrible for ^ Candida. Even the replies on the newsgroups
differ from person to person.

(snip)

Definitely a case of ignorance equalling bliss.

I'm a newbie here (in uph, I see there are three other groups
X-posted, but I've left them in out of interest to see if they
will provide alternative perspectives), and this thread caught
my eye because I just went to see a "nutritional therapist" a
couple of weeks ago, after my wife mentioned an acquaintance
of hers who she had recently bumped into again, and who looked
like a new person. On interrogation, she attributed the
transformation to following the advice of this nutritional
therapist, and AFAICT this was mainly an anti-Candida diet.
The point being, that a lot of the symptoms my wife's pal had
been presenting with matched my own. So I figured nothing
ventured, and made an appointment, sceptical though I was.

I had been told that electro-dermal screening would be part of
the consultation; in fact, it was all of it. And I would have
bet good money that I would have been diagnosed as needing to
anti-Candida myself, and I would not have been disappointed.

Anyway, I had a couple of points to make on the basis of this
experience:

1) re: the diet. I am going to give it a go, I don't see it
can do anything but good, even if the Candida diagnosis is
a red herring. I'm still psyching myself up for it, but am
looking forward to what should be an interesting
experiment. The version I was given said to exclude wheat
and dairy, though these were individual recommendations and
not part of the "standard" diet. What's left basically
amounts to fresh meat and fish, fresh veg, eggs, beans and
pulses, and water. This is already so limited that where I
find myself asking the sort of questions you are asking, I
figure "If in doubt, leave it out".

For instance, I have been told brown rice good, white rice
bad. I don't buy this (other than in terms of the extra
roughage, they're both complex carbohydrates which are
supposed to be good). It seems to me that if white rice is
bad, so is brown, so I'm going to exclude both. I also don't
see why complex carbohydrates are OK when simple ones are not,
the complex ones still end up as simple ones (don't they?).
However, other than rice, I'm going to live with that
judgement.

2) re: the electro-dermal screening. I am tentatively
ascribing this to the nutritional therapist's equivalent of
a medium's tea-leaves
i.e. mumbo-jumbo to keep the punters happy, while the real
diagnostic skill, if any, lies elsewhere. I have been
ferreting out stuff from the net, and have found plenty
of sceptical stuff, but not much non-sceptical stuff, and
that all does what my nutritional therapist did, namely
talk mystically about "quantum physics" while
simultaneously disclaiming any knowledge of physics.

The phrase "quantum physics", without any understanding of the
subject, doesn't impress me, and the subject itself doesn't
scare me, seeing as I studied it as part of my degree. I want
to know what is in the little vials. I want to know how it
modifies the current given that glass is effectively a
non-conductor. I want to know how the presence of a generic
"parasite" can be diagnosed if the question "What species?"
cannot be answered. I want to know how the signal varies with
the pressure with which the probe is applied. I want to know
how emptying three HCl tablets into a well in an aluminium
block can modify the basic signal at all, let alone in a
diagnostically meaningful way. I want to know if there is any
"orthodox" basis for every major organ of the body being
associated with an "energy meridian", each of which
conveniently terminates on a finger, thumb, or toe.

In short, I want to know whether it is in fact the complete
load of bollocks that I believe it to be. And if not, I
want to hear a real explanation of the physical principles
it is based on.

Andy

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