Vegetarian to Meat-Eating...Advice pls

[Dare]

I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even just
eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset stomach
and the like). Have I lost the ability to make the proper
enzymes to digest animal protein? If so, what can I do to
start producing them again? Or do I just need to be patient
and tough it out to give my body time to adjust? Thanks for
any advice or suggestions.... Dare

[Craig Heal]

"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:afalja$f7ob$1@news3.infoave.net...
> I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
> would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
> difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
> been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even
> just eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset
> stomach and the like). Have I lost the ability to make the
> proper enzymes to digest animal protein? If so, what can I
> do to start producing them again? Or do I just need to be
> patient and tough it out to give my body time to adjust?
> Thanks for any advice or suggestions.... Dare

Many people have a diminished production of digestive enzymes,
especially as we age. Eating your proteins with non-starchy
vegetables will be easier to digest than eating proteins with
starches. Many people take a capsule of Betaine HCl right
after their meal to assist in digestion. If this produces a
warm sensation in your stomach, drink a large glass of water.
Don't drink to much water during your meal. This information
is for educational purposes only. Always consult a health
professional.

[Don Wiss]

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:59:05 -0400, Dare
<clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
>would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
>difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
>been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even just
>eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset stomach
>and the like).

There are a lot of former vegetarians on the PaleoFood mailing
list. You could subscribe and ask there. To check out past
posts, and/or to join, go to:
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/paleofood.html

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Dare]

Thank You...I very much appreciate the information! Dare

"Craig Health" <Craighealth@noscape.net> wrote in message
news:GC6S8.3126$Sr1.92297409@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Many people have a diminished production of digestive
> enzymes, especially
as
> we age. Eating your proteins with non-starchy vegetables
> will be easier to digest than eating proteins with starches.
> Many people take a capsule of Betaine HCl right after their
> meal to assist in digestion. If this
produces
> a warm sensation in your stomach, drink a large glass of
> water. Don't
drink
> to much water during your meal. This information is for
> educational
purposes
> only. Always consult a health professional.

[Pbeyer]

Dare wrote:

> I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
> would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
> difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
> been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even
> just eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset
> stomach and the like). Have I lost the ability to make the
> proper enzymes to digest animal protein? If so, what can I
> do to start producing them again? Or do I just need to be
> patient and tough it out to give my body time to adjust?
> Thanks for any advice or suggestions.... Dare

I doubt very seriously you have lost the ablity to digest
animal protein and the fat that comes with it. We rarely lose
sufficient digestive capacity for protein unless something
really serious happens (eg lose the pancreas). Enzymes of the
digestive tract are quite powerful and can be induced (except
for lactose) -- output can increase with increased substrate.
I'd start out with low fat meats and increase to need. You
won't need much protein as you probably know. Pete

[Marcus E E]

In article <afalja$f7ob$1@news3.infoave.net>, Dare
<clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
>would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
>difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
>been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even just
>eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset stomach
>and the like).

Try fish, it's much more healthy anyway.

Marcus

[Dare]

Thanks, Don....This is very interesting information! I plan to
explore it further. Dare

"Don Wiss" <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote in message
news:3e4ihu0oilqtmqh6houj2ol96ris6q4ekr@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:59:05 -0400, Dare
> <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
> >would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
> >difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
> >been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even
> >just eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset
> >stomach and the like).
>
> There are a lot of former vegetarians on the PaleoFood
> mailing list. You could subscribe and ask there. To check
> out past posts, and/or to join, go to:
> http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/paleofood.html
>
> Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Ken H]

"Marcus E Engdahl" <mengdahl@cc.hut.fi> wrote in message
news:afchh2$2mvf$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi...
> In article <afalja$f7ob$1@news3.infoave.net>, Dare
> <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
> >would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
> >difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
> >been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even
> >just eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset
> >stomach and the like).
>
> Try fish, it's much more healthy anyway.

And with a little bit of "hard" work, you can find a fish
store/market that brings in wild alaskan salmon daily mmmmm
mmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ken

>
> Marcus

[Don Wiss]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:52:47 -0400, "Dare"
<clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks, Don....This is very interesting information! I plan
>to explore it further.

I just tried a substring search on former vegetarian. I got 34
hits. Maybe this will work:

http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S2=paleofood&q=former-
+vegetarian&0=S&s=&f=&a=&b=

Don <donwiss at panix.com>.

[Dr. Christ]

Your body is not accustomed to digesting animal protein since
you have not eaten it for so long. You can try drinking a
tablespoon of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar in a quarter
cup of water with a drop or two of stevia right before eating.
If this doesn't help get some digestive enzymes. Hydrochloric
acid should help with protein digestion. If this doesn't do
it, consult an alternative doctor for help with your
digestion.

--
Christine H. Farlow, D.C. KISS For Health Publishing
Specializing in brief, practical and easy-to-use nutrition
information www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/00084.htm
www.healthyeatingadvisor.com
dr.cfarlow@cox.net "Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:afalja$f7ob$1@news3.infoave.net...
> I have been eating a vegatarian diet for about 20 years and
> would like to switch back to eating meat...I find it very
> difficult to get enough protein eating all vegetarian. I've
> been trying with small amounts of baked chicken and even
> just eggs but seem to be having trouble digesting it(upset
> stomach and the like). Have I lost the ability to make the
> proper enzymes to digest animal protein? If so, what can I
> do to start producing them again? Or do I just need to be
> patient and tough it out to give my body time to adjust?
> Thanks for any advice or suggestions.... Dare

[Jay Tanzma]

"Christine H. Farlow, D.C." wrote:

> Hydrochloric acid should help with protein digestion. If
> this doesn't do it, consult an alternative doctor for help
> with your digestion.

Yeah, drink some hydrocholic acid, and consult a doctor. In
fact dial 911.

I can think of a few things that "D.C." could stand for, but
the one that seems most appropriate is pretty offensive.

-Jay

[Jedilworth]

Considering we only use HCl in the laboratory under a
chemistry fume hood, and store this acid in an acid
cabinet for safety, I can't imagine ingesting it - even
diluted way down.

So that I may keep an open mind, at what dilution does one use
HCl for digestion purposes? Does one buy this or make their
own? Are there liability issues involved in case your bowel
perforates?

Does an alternative doctor equal a chiropractor?

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology

"Dr. Christine H. Farlow" wrote: ........... If this doesn't
help get some digestive enzymes.
> Hydrochloric acid should help with protein digestion. If
> this doesn't do it, consult an alternative doctor for help
> with your digestion. Christine H. Farlow, D.C.

[Jimbo]

"Dr. Christine H. Farlow" <dr.cfarlow@cox.net> wrote in
message news:cGJS8.50437$Ok1.3900649@news2.west.cox.net...
> Your body is not accustomed to digesting animal protein
> since you have not eaten it for so long.

Bullshit! You're a moron!!!

[Jay Tanzma]

JEDilworth wrote:
>
> Considering we only use HCl in the laboratory under a
> chemistry fume hood, and store this acid in an acid
> cabinet for safety, I can't imagine ingesting it - even
> diluted way down.
>
> So that I may keep an open mind, at what dilution does one
> use HCl for digestion purposes? Does one buy this or make
> their own? Are there liability issues involved in case your
> bowel perforates?
>
> Does an alternative doctor equal a chiropractor?

When she said to consult an "alternative doctor" I took it to
mean an alternative to her.

-Jay

[Suzee]

JEDilworth wrote:
>
> Considering we only use HCl in the laboratory under a
> chemistry fume hood, and store this acid in an acid
> cabinet for safety, I can't imagine ingesting it - even
> diluted way down.
>
> So that I may keep an open mind, at what dilution does one
> use HCl for digestion purposes? Does one buy this or make
> their own? Are there liability issues involved in case your
> bowel perforates?

Not hydrochloric acid but Betaine Hcl tablets; I've seen them
around health food stores. I believe they're an enzyme that
aids in digestion.

sue

[Jimbo]

"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay.com> wrote in message
news:3D1BE22C.B974D6F3@nospamhortonsbay.com...
> Considering we only use HCl in the laboratory under a
> chemistry fume hood, and store this acid in an acid
> cabinet for safety, I can't imagine ingesting it - even
> diluted way down.
>
> So that I may keep an open mind, at what dilution does one
> use HCl for digestion purposes? Does one buy this or make
> their own? Are there liability issues involved in case your
> bowel perforates?
>
> Does an alternative doctor equal a chiropractor?

A chiropractor is **NOT** an alternative!!!

> Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology
>
> "Dr. Christine H. Farlow" wrote: ........... If this doesn't
> help get some digestive enzymes.
> > Hydrochloric acid should help with protein digestion. If
> > this doesn't do
it,
> > consult an alternative doctor for help with your
> > digestion. Christine H. Farlow, D.C.

[Larry Hoov]

"Jay Tanzman" <jtanzman@sph.llu.edu> wrote in message
news:3D1C80A0.CBB9D273@sph.llu.edu...
>
>
> JEDilworth wrote:
> >
> > Considering we only use HCl in the laboratory under a
> > chemistry fume hood, and store this acid in an acid
> > cabinet for safety, I can't imagine ingesting it - even
> > diluted way down.
> >
> > So that I may keep an open mind, at what dilution does one
> > use HCl for digestion purposes? Does one buy this or make
> > their own? Are there liability issues involved in case
> > your bowel perforates?
> >
> > Does an alternative doctor equal a chiropractor?
>
> When she said to consult an "alternative doctor" I took it
> to mean an alternative to her.
>
> -Jay

It is very sloppy, but I've seen this a fair number of times
in the lay alternative literature (if I may label it such);
"hydrochloric acid taken for digestion" refers to betaine
hydrochloride. When precipitated as the hydrochloride salt,
the nitrogen atom has very low binding power for the proton,
due to its three methyl groups. FWIW.

[Slenon]

Jimbo:
>A chiropractor is **NOT** an alternative

Nor a doctor save in licensure.

--
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is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
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ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Jedilworth]

Hydrochloric acid = hydrochloric acid

Betaine hydrochloride does NOT = hydrochloric acid.

It would be nice if people got their terms straight [hint -
Dr. Christine]. I have personally never heard of betaine
hydrochloride. Why would someone suppose everyone knew that
when they bandied about the term hydrochloric acid that the
unplugged-in non-alternative readers of this ng, i.e. myself
and others, would know what they were talking about?

Thanks, Larry for clearing that up for me. I was really
wondering about
it.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology

Larry Hoover wrote:
>
> It is very sloppy, but I've seen this a fair number of times
> in the lay alternative literature (if I may label it such);
> "hydrochloric acid taken for digestion" refers to betaine
> hydrochloride. When precipitated as the hydrochloride salt,
> the nitrogen atom has very low binding power for the proton,
> due to its three methyl groups. FWIW.

[Suzee]

It's my understanding that betaine hydrochloride stimulates
the stomach acids. I've never heard of nor referred to it as
the same as hydrochloric acid, though I think others do which
is sloppy semantics.

sue

JEDilworth wrote:
>
> Hydrochloric acid = hydrochloric acid
>
> Betaine hydrochloride does NOT = hydrochloric acid.
>
> It would be nice if people got their terms straight [hint -
> Dr. Christine]. I have personally never heard of betaine
> hydrochloride. Why would someone suppose everyone knew that
> when they bandied about the term hydrochloric acid that the
> unplugged-in non-alternative readers of this ng, i.e. myself
> and others, would know what they were talking about?
>
> Thanks, Larry for clearing that up for me. I was really
> wondering about
> it.
>
> Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology
>
> Larry Hoover wrote:
> >
> > It is very sloppy, but I've seen this a fair number of
> > times in the lay alternative literature (if I may label
> > it such); "hydrochloric acid taken for digestion" refers
> > to betaine hydrochloride. When precipitated as the
> > hydrochloride salt, the nitrogen atom has very low
> > binding power for the proton, due to its three methyl
> > groups. FWIW.

[Larry Hoov]

"suzee" <qiuser@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3D1E5A40.580B@nidlink.com...
> It's my understanding that betaine hydrochloride stimulates
> the stomach acids. I've never heard of nor referred to it as
> the same as hydrochloric acid, though I think others do
> which is sloppy semantics.
>
> sue

We're off on a tangent here, but hey, I love tangents.

You're quite right that betaine, even as its free-base,
stimulates the secretion of stomach acid. Not only that, but
it helps to make that secretion more timely (making it a good
treatment for GERD, even though that sounds counter-intuitive,
perhaps). It also stimulates more regular peristaltic
contractions throughout the digestive tract more indirectly.

Free-base betaine is a sweetish, pleasant substance to
consume. Betaine hydrochloride is quite harsh and caustic.
This difference could only be due to the ready dissociation of
the proton from the (CH3)3-N-H+ moiety. Unless I'm missing
something.....

Larry

[Dare]

"Larry Hoover" <larryhoover@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:6otT8.7402$%N4.2443237@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> We're off on a tangent here, but hey, I love tangents.
>
> You're quite right that betaine, even as its free-base,
> stimulates the secretion of stomach acid. Not only that, but
> it helps to make that secretion more timely (making it a
> good treatment for GERD, even though
that
> sounds counter-intuitive, perhaps). It also stimulates more
> regular peristaltic contractions throughout the digestive
> tract more indirectly.
>
> Free-base betaine is a sweetish, pleasant substance to
> consume. Betaine hydrochloride is quite harsh and caustic.
> This difference could only be
due
> to the ready dissociation of the proton from the
> (CH3)3-N-H+ moiety.
Unless
> I'm missing something.....
>
> Larry

Where could one obtain Betaine...is it available in the
free-base form? It sounds more palatable than the Betaine
Hydrochloride. Sorry if this is a stupid question...I'm not
that knowledgable about chemistry. Thank You.. Dare

[Michelle]

>Try fish, it's much more healthy anyway.
>
>Marcus
>

....and easier to digest. I went back to fish, although I have
no desire to eat other meats. Yuk! Michelle
www.twistedfool.com

[Larry Hoov]

"Dare" <clydadare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:afppvc$92oi$1@news3.infoave.net...
> "Larry Hoover" <larryhoover@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:6otT8.7402$%N4.2443237@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> > We're off on a tangent here, but hey, I love tangents.
> >
> > You're quite right that betaine, even as its free-base,
> > stimulates the secretion of stomach acid. Not only that,
> > but it helps to make that secretion more timely (making it
> > a good treatment for GERD, even though
> that
> > sounds counter-intuitive, perhaps). It also stimulates
> > more regular peristaltic contractions throughout the
> > digestive tract more indirectly.
> >
> > Free-base betaine is a sweetish, pleasant substance to
> > consume. Betaine hydrochloride is quite harsh and caustic.
> > This difference could only be
> due
> > to the ready dissociation of the proton from the
> > (CH3)3-N-H+ moiety.
> Unless
> > I'm missing something.....
> >
> > Larry
>
> Where could one obtain Betaine...is it available in the
> free-base form? It sounds more palatable than the Betaine
> Hydrochloride. Sorry if this is a stupid question...I'm not
> that knowledgable about chemistry. Thank You.. Dare

One possible source:

http://store.yahoo.com/hilife-vitamins/source-naturals-21078-
00876.html