The disease-mongers

[John 'The]

Who are the disease-mongers?

They are Twits like: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran and
Steve Harris who are among the biggest promoters of
inappropriate medicalisation on these ngs.

The latest hot issue in medicine was recently published in a
special edition of the British Medical Journal at:
http://bmj.com/content/vol324/issue7342/

In its leading comment, the BMJ argued that there was almost
certainly too much medicine and doctors should encourage
people to look after themselves. http://bmj.com/cgi/content/f-
ull/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=11950716 "The cost of trying
to defeat death, pain and sickness is unlimited and, beyond a
certain point, every penny spent may make the problem worse,
eroding still further the human capacity to cope with
reality," it thundered. Moynihan R, Smith R. Too much
medicine? BMJ. 2002 Apr 13;324(7342):859-60. PMID: 11950716

The question raised is "Are better off with less medicine, not
more?" People, who would previously learn to deal with common
problems themselves now are bullied into turning to their
doctors for help by the disease-mongers.

With inappropriate medicalisation alternative approaches -
emphasising the self-limiting or relatively benign natural
history of a problem, or the importance of personal coping
strategies - are played down or ignored. Death, pain and
sickness are just part of being human. Human cultures have
developed the means to help people cope with all three. Modern
medicine with inappropriate medicalisation is attempting to
destroyed these practices.

The BMJ undertook a poll among British doctors to decide the
top 'non-diseases' that are defined as medical conditions but
that doctors feel shouldn't be. http://bmj.com/cgi/content/fu-
ll/324/7342/883?lookupType=volpage&vol=324&fp=883&view=short
In search of "non-disease"

In first place came 'ageing', followed by work, boredom and
bags under the eyes. The list of bugbears continued through
baldness and freckles, ugliness, jet lag, gap teeth, smoking,
shortness, nail-biting, bad breath, allergies, shyness,
insomnia, hairiness and even diabetes.

This medicalisation of non-diseases by the disease-mongers has
gone too far and is harming society, preventing us from
accepting our humanity. It encourages us to see ourselves as
victims in search of a cure, perpetually suffering from one
ailment or another.

The disease-mongers have gnawed away at the public's
self-confidence to cope with the natural problems of life
without medical intervention.
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves. I
welcome Email via www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. The
nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of the
biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
ever before.

[Slenon]

Gohde blathers:
>Who are the disease-mongers? They are Twits like: Stev Lenon,
>Jay Tanzman,
Mark Doran and Steve Harris who are among the biggest
promoters >of inappropriate medicalisation on these ngs.

Gee, John, please use your massive cut and paste skills to
find an example of me suggesting a medication to anyone on
this usegroup. And then please do the same to document men
suggesting anyone purchase a disease from me or the others
you mention.

Your poor grasp of the language betrays you whenever you try
to use it. You might wish to invest in a dictionary but given
your disdain for language skills and arts, it is doubtful it
would improve your posts or your understanding.

Where did you obtain your GED?

BTW, I'm still waiting to be run off this NG, the one I didn't
subscribe to until you promised to run me from it. Apparently
this is another statement you've made that you can't back up.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Beachhouse]

I'm breaking my self-imposed rule of never replying to this
junk, but here goes..

John, that "article" is a philosophical editorial written by 2
journalists. It does not reflect the opinion of the BMJ. The
article referred to "medicine" as a discipline -- not
"medications." As always, it pays not only to *read* but to
*think* about what you're reading as well.

"John 'the Man" <DeMan[41]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b55cu0a9m2oiva2n5cruqafkpl1hm7u9l@4ax.com...
> Who are the disease-mongers?
>
> They are Twits like: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran and
> Steve Harris who are among the biggest promoters of
> inappropriate medicalisation on these ngs.
>
> The latest hot issue in medicine was recently published in a
> special edition of the British Medical Journal at:
> http://bmj.com/content/vol324/issue7342/
>
> In its leading comment, the BMJ argued that there was almost
> certainly too much medicine and doctors should encourage
> people to look after themselves. http://bmj.com/cgi/content-
> /full/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=11950716 "The cost of
> trying to defeat death, pain and sickness is unlimited and,
> beyond a certain point, every penny spent may make the
> problem worse, eroding still further the human capacity to
> cope with reality," it thundered. Moynihan R, Smith R. Too
> much medicine? BMJ. 2002 Apr 13;324(7342):859-60. PMID:
> 11950716
>
> The question raised is "Are better off with less medicine,
> not more?" People, who would previously learn to deal with
> common problems themselves now are bullied into turning to
> their doctors for help by the disease-mongers.
>
> With inappropriate medicalisation alternative approaches -
> emphasising the self-limiting or relatively benign natural
> history of a problem, or the importance of personal coping
> strategies - are played down or ignored. Death, pain and
> sickness are just part of being human. Human cultures have
> developed the means to help people cope with all three.
> Modern medicine with inappropriate medicalisation is
> attempting to destroyed these practices.
>
> The BMJ undertook a poll among British doctors to decide the
> top 'non-diseases' that are defined as medical conditions
> but that doctors feel shouldn't be.
>
http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7342/883?lookupType=volpa-
ge&vol=324&fp=8 83&view=short
> In search of "non-disease"
>
> In first place came 'ageing', followed by work, boredom and
> bags under the eyes. The list of bugbears continued through
> baldness and freckles, ugliness, jet lag, gap teeth,
> smoking, shortness, nail-biting, bad breath, allergies,
> shyness, insomnia, hairiness and even diabetes.
>
> This medicalisation of non-diseases by the disease-mongers
> has gone too far and is harming society, preventing us from
> accepting our humanity. It encourages us to see ourselves as
> victims in search of a cure, perpetually suffering from one
> ailment or another.
>
> The disease-mongers have gnawed away at the public's
> self-confidence to cope with the natural problems of life
> without medical intervention.
> --
> John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves. I
> welcome Email via www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. The
> nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of the
> biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
> webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
> is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
> ever before.

[John 2 'Kn]

"Stev Lenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FeBw8.273926$K52.42918138@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...

> Where did you obtain your GED?

> BTW, I'm still waiting to be run off this NG, the one I
> didn't subscribe to until you promised to run me from it.
> Apparently this is another statement you've made that you
> can't back up.

Obviously, Stev did not read the included hyperlinks,
such as ...

> The latest hot issue in medicine was recently published in a
> special edition of the British Medical Journal at:
> http://bmj.com/content/vol324/issue7342/

> In its leading comment, the BMJ argued that there was almost
> certainly too much medicine and doctors should encourage
> people to look after themselves. http://bmj.com/cgi/content-
> /full/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=11950716 "The cost of
> trying to defeat death, pain and sickness is unlimited and,
> beyond a certain point, every penny spent may make the
> problem worse, eroding still further the human capacity to
> cope with reality," it thundered. Moynihan R, Smith R. Too
> much medicine? BMJ. 2002 Apr 13;324(7342):859-60. PMID:
> 11950716

As a disease-monger, Stev never lets reality get in the way of
his reflexive biases against the de-medicalisation of the
natural conditions of humanity.
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves.
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. Pioneering de-medicalisation
by handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care
and autonomy, resisting the categorisation of life's problem
as medical, and promoting the de-professionalisation of
primary care, is no longer a radical agenda.

[Mark Doran]

> "John 'the Man" <DeMan[41]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8b55cu0a9m2oiva2n5cruqafkpl1hm7u9l@4ax.com...
> > Who are the disease-mongers?
> >
> > They are Twits like: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran
> > and Steve Harris who are among the biggest promoters of
> > inappropriate medicalisation on these ngs.
> >

Gohde, you are an idiot far beyond any that I've ever seen -
and I've been around. I have never promoted 'medicalisation'
of any kind, appropriate or not; in fact I don't dispense
nutritional advice *at all* - for the simple reason that I'm
not qualified in this area. I read this n/g because I want to
know more about a difficult and important topic - which means
attending to people who are qualified or/and who quote real
studies with some degree of insight and accuracy. You aren't
in that category, Gohde - and from what I see of your
drivelling loony posts, you don't have either the brains or
the sanity to make the slightest contribution. Yes, it's true:
you really are as useless as you secretly fear you are. So go
kill yourself.

M.

[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow Beachhouse rambled on about "Re:
The disease-mongers." Our champion de-medicalising in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>I'm breaking my self-imposed rule of never replying to this
>junk, but here goes..

>John, that "article" is a philosophical editorial written by
>2 journalists. It does not reflect the opinion of the BMJ.
>The article referred to "medicine" as a discipline -- not
>"medications." As always, it pays not only to *read* but to
>*think* about what you're reading as well.

Why don't you practice what you just have preached?

My dear boy, the 13 April 2002 (Volume 324, Issue 7342)
http://bmj.com/content/vol324/issue7342/#TWIB edition of the
BMJ is dedicated to the subject of medicalisation.

This issue of BMJ, in fact, contains several dozen closely
related articles on the subject of disease-mongering and
medicalisation. I would hardly call that nothing! Who cares if
the articles don't reflect the opinion of the BMJ. It was
obviously the opinion of BMJ to publish this issue of BMJ, and
all the medicalisation articles therein.

Your reply, is what I would call junk!

Why don't you try thinking for a change?
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves.
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. Pioneering de-medicalisation
by handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care
and autonomy, resisting the categorisation of life's problem
as medical, and promoting the de-professionalisation of
primary care, is no longer a radical agenda.

>"John 'the Man" <DeMan[41]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8b55cu0a9m2oiva2n5cruqafkpl1hm7u9l@4ax.com...
>> Who are the disease-mongers?
>>
>> They are Twits like: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran
>> and Steve Harris who are among the biggest promoters of
>> inappropriate medicalisation on these ngs.
>>
>> The latest hot issue in medicine was recently published in
>> a special edition of the British Medical Journal at:
>> http://bmj.com/content/vol324/issue7342/
>>
>> In its leading comment, the BMJ argued that there was
>> almost certainly too much medicine and doctors should
>> encourage people to look after themselves. http://bmj.com/-
>> cgi/content/full/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=11950716 "The
>> cost of trying to defeat death, pain and sickness is
>> unlimited and, beyond a certain point, every penny spent
>> may make the problem worse, eroding still further the human
>> capacity to cope with reality," it thundered. Moynihan R,
>> Smith R. Too much medicine? BMJ. 2002 Apr
>> 13;324(7342):859-60. PMID: 11950716
>>
>> The question raised is "Are better off with less medicine,
>> not more?" People, who would previously learn to deal with
>> common problems themselves now are bullied into turning to
>> their doctors for help by the disease-mongers.
>>
>> With inappropriate medicalisation alternative approaches -
>> emphasising the self-limiting or relatively benign natural
>> history of a problem, or the importance of personal coping
>> strategies - are played down or ignored. Death, pain and
>> sickness are just part of being human. Human cultures have
>> developed the means to help people cope with all three.
>> Modern medicine with inappropriate medicalisation is
>> attempting to destroyed these practices.
>>
>> The BMJ undertook a poll among British doctors to decide
>> the top 'non-diseases' that are defined as medical
>> conditions but that doctors feel shouldn't be.
>>
>http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7342/883?lookupType=volp-
>age&vol=324&fp=8 83&view=short
>> In search of "non-disease"
>>
>> In first place came 'ageing', followed by work, boredom and
>> bags under the eyes. The list of bugbears continued through
>> baldness and freckles, ugliness, jet lag, gap teeth,
>> smoking, shortness, nail-biting, bad breath, allergies,
>> shyness, insomnia, hairiness and even diabetes.
>>
>> This medicalisation of non-diseases by the disease-mongers
>> has gone too far and is harming society, preventing us from
>> accepting our humanity. It encourages us to see ourselves
>> as victims in search of a cure, perpetually suffering from
>> one ailment or another.
>>
>> The disease-mongers have gnawed away at the public's
>> self-confidence to cope with the natural problems of life
>> without medical intervention.

[Mark Doran]

God almighty, what is it with this nut? I've got him in my
kill-filter under 60 different names already. He's like some
sort of usenet hydra: cut off one head, and a stupider one
grows back....

M.

"John 'the Man" <DeMan[43]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q6f5cu8a3de88gf1q1safbnb9hfvlcfppb@

[John 3 'Kn]

"mark doran" <doran@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:3cc302ac$0$8505$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...

Here is one more of them to kill file. :-)

> > "John 'the Man" <DeMan[41]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:8b55cu0a9m2oiva2n5cruqafkpl1hm7u9l@4ax.com...

> > > Who are the disease-mongers? They are Twits like: Stev
> > > Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran and Steve Harris who are
> > > among the biggest promoters of inappropriate
> > > medicalisation on these ngs.

> ... I have never promoted 'medicalisation' of any kind,
> appropriate or not; in fact I don't dispense nutritional
> advice *at all* - for the simple reason that I'm not
> qualified in this area. I read this n/g because I want to
> know more about a difficult and important topic - ...

Why do pigs squeal, when they get stuck?

I am promoting the de-professionalisation of primary care, ...
Dolt! And, that means walking over disease-mongers like you
who live only to attack Pioneers in de-medicalisation like me.
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves. I
welcome Email via www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com.
Pioneering de-medicalisation by handing back the power to the
people, encouraging self care and autonomy, resisting the
categorisation of life's problem as medical, and promoting
the de-professionalisation of primary care, is no longer a
radical agenda.

[Slenon]

>As a disease-monger, Stev never lets reality get in the
>way of his
reflexive biases against the de-medicalisation of the natural
conditions of
>humanity. John Gohde,

And those would be strep throat, appendicitis, CHF, and other
treatable diseases that you think should not be treated?

Put your false teeth where your theories are, you anemic
poseur.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Mark Doran]

"John 3 'Knows All'" <John 3 'Knows All'@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:FoEw8.38782$Rw2.2962383@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldn-
et.att.net...
> "mark doran" <doran@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:3cc302ac$0$8505$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
> Here is one more of them to kill file. :-)

For Christ's sake then, Gohde, killfile me and shut the fuck
up. You've had long enough to do it - and unlike you, I don't
keep sprouting new identities.

>
> Why do pigs squeal, when they get stuck?

Dunno. Why don't people take their lithium when they're
prescribed it?

>
> I am promoting the de-professionalisation of primary care,
> ... Dolt! And, that means walking over disease-mongers like
> you who live only to attack Pioneers in de-medicalisation
> like me.

You're a legend in your own mind. And probably in your
ward also.

M.

[Suzee]

mark doran wrote:
>
> "John 3 'Knows All'" <John 3 'Knows All'@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:FoEw8.38782$Rw2.2962383@bgtnsc05-news.ops.w-
> orldnet.att.net...
> > "mark doran" <doran@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> > news:3cc302ac$0$8505$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> >
> > Here is one more of them to kill file. :-)
>
> For Christ's sake then, Gohde, killfile me and shut the fuck
> up. You've had long enough to do it - and unlike you, I
> don't keep sprouting new identities.

I figgered he meant he's popped up with a new address....
which you could add to your killfile list. You gotta wonder
about people who keep adding new addys just so they can thwart
the killfiles.....

sue

[John 'The]

Once upon a time, our fellow suzee rambled on about "Re: The
disease-mongers." Our champion de-medicalising in
sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>mark doran wrote:

>> "John 3 'Knows All'" <John 3 'Knows All'@hotmail.com> wrote
>> in message news:FoEw8.38782$Rw2.2962383@bgtnsc05-news.ops.-
>> worldnet.att.net...
>> > "mark doran" <doran@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3cc302ac$0$8505$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>> >
>> > Here is one more of them to kill file. :-)
>>
>> For Christ's sake then, Gohde, killfile me and shut the
>> fuck up. You've had long enough to do it - and unlike you,
>> I don't keep sprouting new identities.
>
>I figgered he meant he's popped up with a new address....
>which you could add to your killfile list. You gotta wonder
>about people who keep adding new addys just so they can
>thwart the killfiles.....
>
>sue

Just remember that: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran and
Steve Harris got in my face first. :-)

I am just returning the favor to them. So, I particularly want
them to see these comments of mine.

What these articles illustrate is that other responsible third
parties have been thinking along the same lines, that I have,
for quite a few years. A search of Medline will reveal that
quite a few publications besides BMJ have published similar
articles. And, of course, there have been books written on the
subject too.

These dudes are the fossils. I represent the wave of the
future. And, these dudes just can not deal with it. They want
to live with their heads stuck in the sand.

I repeat, I have singled these dudes out because they
routinely go out of their way to get in my face. :-)
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves.
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. Pioneering de-medicalisation
by handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care
and autonomy, resisting the categorisation of life's problem
as medical, and promoting the de-professionalisation of
primary care, is no longer a radical agenda. http://bmj.com/c-
gi/content/full/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=11950716#B10

[Steve Harr]

"suzee" <qiuser@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3CC328BB.593C@nidlink.com...

> I figgered he meant he's popped up with a new address....
> which you could add to your killfile list. You gotta wonder
> about people who keep adding new addys just so they can
> thwart the killfiles.....

COMMENT:

You don't have to wonder much. It just means they want
attention, any kind of attention, like small children. In
adults this is generally a sign of anxiety/insecurity or
narcissism or both.

SBH

--
I welcome Email from strangers with the minimal cleverness to
fix my address (it's an open-book test). I strongly recommend
recipients of unsolicited bulk Email ad spam use
"http://combat.uxn.com" to get the true corporate name of the
last ISP address on the viewsource header, then forward
message & headers to "abuse@[offendingISP]."

[Slenon]

>I am promoting the de-professionalisation of primary care,
>... Dolt! And,
that means walking over disease-mongers like you who live
only to attack
>Pioneers in de-medicalisation like me. John Gohde

When your gentitalia fail to function, if they have not
already done so, don't bother seeing a physician for
corrective medical treatment. Practice the art of nutrition.
Pioneer? Right?

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[John-Knows]

You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to save
you from your own shamful ignoramity. I now propose the
descientification and instillification of vapid forms of
cybernutrition via mystical recompense of our underlying atman
which is able to grok the true verified forms of energy
transduction on a quasi-logico unconscious level. A true
genius cannot communicate his lofty self-actualizations and
ideas with lesser mortals closer to bacteria than him on the
egrolutionary quadrant.

In loco parentis Nano Nano John

"Good health is a mysterious and unfathomable source of
hyperenergy renewal"

Ich bin ein verruckt stinksteifel

[John 4 'Kn]

"slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:yvHw8.276521$K52.43507473@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...

>>I am promoting the de-professionalisation of primary care,
>>... Dolt! And,that means walking over disease-mongers like
>>you who live only to attack Pioneers in de-medicalisation
>>like me.

> When your ... fail to function, if they have not already
> done so, don't bother seeing a physician for corrective
> medical treatment. Practice the art of nutrition.
> Pioneer? Right?

Today, ... I have been reborn and I owe it all to the efforts
of one geek: Stev Lenon.

Not only am I not embrassed by my crediantals, as of today, I
will be fluanting them in your face!

From now on, I will be openly promoting the
de-professionalisation of primary health care. If that thought
is good enough to be published in BMJ, it is good enough for
me to be posting comments on these health ngs as usual.

Thanks again, ... Stev!
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves.
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com. Pioneering de-medicalisation
by handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care
and autonomy, resisting the categorisation of life's problem
as medical, and promoting the de-professionalisation of
primary care, is no longer a radical agenda.

[Rodney Rei]

Finally some entertainment on the sci.med groups! Keep it up,
um, 'John'

...Rodney

"john-knows-nothing" <johngohde514@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1b589f59.0204230926.7239a031@posting.google.com...
> You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to
> save you from your own shamful ignoramity. I now propose the
> descientification and instillification of vapid forms of
> cybernutrition via mystical recompense of our underlying
> atman which is able to grok the true verified forms of
> energy transduction on a quasi-logico unconscious level. A
> true genius cannot communicate his lofty self-actualizations
> and ideas with lesser mortals closer to bacteria than him on
> the egrolutionary quadrant.
>
> In loco parentis Nano Nano John
>
> "Good health is a mysterious and unfathomable source of
> hyperenergy renewal"
>
>
> Ich bin ein verruckt stinksteifel

[Slenon]

Gohde #514, apparently approaching critical status rants:

>You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to
>save you from
your own shamful ignoramity. (rest of tirade clipped)

John, take it down the street to the revival tent meeting and
wait your turn to preach to the winos, homeless, and hookers
who might be willing to listen to you in exchange for a little
grape juice, overly loud gospel music and a chance to sit down
in a chair for an hour or so. Then go join Tommy and wait for
your turn in the EST room.

After all those tries you got the screen name correct. Are
there truly 514 voices in your deranged little head, or did
you just lose count?

How I had hoped it was the anti-watchman.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Mark Doran]

"John 4 'Knows All'" <John 4 'Knows All'@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:cTHw8.39233$Rw2.2991368@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet

> Today, ... I have been reborn

A new delusion! Symptom-formation in action!

That breakdown is so close you can almost *smell* it...

M.

[Jedilworth]

Stev must have you rattled - the words you're searching for
are:

embarrassed

credentials

flaunting

de-professionalisation - is that a word? Isn't that the same
as amateurization, if indeed that is a word?

If one is going to "fluant" their "crediantals" the least they
can do is spell the words correctly - sort of makes you a tad
more believable? Gee whiz John, don't you have a spell checker
on your news reader? Mine picked up both "fluant" and
"crediantals."

You're promoting making primary health care an amateur
undertaking? When we're sick, our front line contacts will be
amateurs like you instead of family practice physicians or
internists?

So this is health care in the 21st century? Tsk, tsk.....

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology

John 4 'Knows All' wrote:
>
> Not only am I not embrassed by my crediantals, as of today,
> I will be fluanting them in your face!
>
> From now on, I will be openly promoting the
> de-professionalisation of primary health care. If that
> thought is good enough to be published in BMJ, it is good
> enough for me to be posting comments on these health ngs
> as usual.

[Slenon]

One of John Gohde's dysfunctional alter identities blathers
while waiting for much needed psychiatric care:

>Today, ... I have been reborn and I owe it all to the efforts
>of one geek:
Stev Lenon. Not only am I not embrassed by my crediantals, as
of today, I will >be fluanting them in your face!

Not only do you not have these promised credentials, you can't
spell the word correctly either. You should really incorporate
a spell check program into your tirades.

Of course, if you are unable to use such a program, I will be
happy to pre-edit your posts and return them to you with
necessary corrections. We wouldn't want you to be "embrassed"
or embarrassed.

Here's a tip, little impotent one, next time you get reborn,
ask for a brain that can handle the English language and
interpret scientific data correctly. As for a personality that
doesn't require multiple identities to hide behind, and ask
for one that finishs school.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Mark Doran]

Yeah - but just *who* can have written it... I'm trying to
figure it out...

Mark D.

"Rodney Reid" <rreid@tsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ucbbsfp5eqja4f@corp.supernews.com...
> Finally some entertainment on the sci.med groups! Keep
> it up, um,
'John'
>
> ...Rodney
>
> "john-knows-nothing" <johngohde514@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:1b589f59.0204230926.7239a031@posting.google.com...
> > You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to
> > save you from your own shamful ignoramity. I now propose
> > the descientification and instillification of vapid forms
> > of cybernutrition via mystical recompense of our
> > underlying atman which is able to grok the true verified
> > forms of energy transduction on a quasi-logico unconscious
> > level. A true genius cannot communicate his lofty
> > self-actualizations and ideas with lesser mortals closer
> > to bacteria than him on the egrolutionary quadrant.
> >
> > In loco parentis Nano Nano John
> >
> > "Good health is a mysterious and unfathomable source of
> > hyperenergy renewal"
> >
> >
> > Ich bin ein verruckt stinksteifel

[John 4 'Kn]

If it is WAR you want, it is WAR you got.

God help these ngs, because I will be screwing everybody over
till hell freezes over, or you drop dead, on a daily basis.

"slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:gKix8.292444$K52.46550033@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> Gohde #514, apparently approaching critical status rants:
>
> >You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to
> >save you from
> your own shamful ignoramity. (rest of tirade clipped)
>
> John, take it down the street to the revival tent meeting
> and wait your
turn
> to preach to the winos, homeless, and hookers who might be
> willing to
listen
> to you in exchange for a little grape juice, overly loud
> gospel music and
a
> chance to sit down in a chair for an hour or so. Then go
> join Tommy and wait for your turn in the EST room.
>
> After all those tries you got the screen name correct. Are
> there truly
514
> voices in your deranged little head, or did you just
> lose count?
>
> How I had hoped it was the anti-watchman.
>
> --
> Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia
> ashes Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate
> bottom line is patients
not
> profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member slenon@tampabay.rr.com
> http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92k-
> word.htm

[Tim]

Sorry...was feeling a bit mischievious and I and apparently
everyone else has found John's tirades and dirty tricks
extremely annoying. Let's stick to the real purpose of these
ng's. Argument really serves no purpose to uncovering any
answers or broadening our knowledge.

[Slenon]

Does Gohde actually have a screen name for each of the voices
in his head?

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Slenon]

>I repeat, I have singled these dudes out because they
>routinely go out of
their way to get in my face. :-) John Gohde,

It's a filthy job, but someone has to do it. You make it so
incredibly easy.

I repeat, get a dictionary and use it. Your posts make little
more sense than Tom Hennessy's. I sometimes wonder if you two
aren't related.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Mark Doran]

Hey Gohde-boy,

- Can you hear that sound? It's the sound of your
breakdown coming...

M.

"John 'the Man" <DeMan[44]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qtt5cugq5ke79kgm59etblfuch3p08ud0i@
>
> Just remember that: Stev Lenon, Jay Tanzman, Mark Doran and
> Steve Harris got in my face first. :-)
>
> I am just returning the favor to them. So, I particularly
> want them to see these comments of mine.
>
> What these articles illustrate is that other responsible
> third parties have been thinking along the same lines, that
> I have, for quite a few years. A search of Medline will
> reveal that quite a few publications besides BMJ have
> published similar articles. And, of course, there have been
> books written on the subject too.
>
> These dudes are the fossils. I represent the wave of the
> future. And, these dudes just can not deal with it. They
> want to live with their heads stuck in the sand.
>
> I repeat, I have singled these dudes out because they
> routinely go out of their way to get in my face. :-)
> --
> John Gohde,

[John 4 'Kn]

"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay.com> wrote in message
news:3CC35B23.9A6CF6FA@nospamhortonsbay.com...

Dilworth, another secondary, disease-monger.

> de-professionalisation - is that a word? Isn't that the same
> as amateurization, if indeed that is a word?

Why not ask Ray?

http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/324/7342/859?view=full&pmid=1-
1950716 "Perhaps some doctors will now become the pioneers of
de-medicalisation. They can hand back power to patients,
encourage self care and autonomy, call for better worldwide
distribution of simple effective health care, resist the
categorisation of life's problem as medical, promote the
de-professionalisation of primary care, and help decide which
complex services should be available. This is no longer a
radical agenda.

Ray Moynihan, journalist.

Australian Financial Review, Sydney 2201,
Australia(ray_128@hotmail.com)"
--
John Gohde, Encouraging people to look after themselves. I
welcome Email via www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com.
Pioneering de-medicalisation by handing back the power to the
people, encouraging self care and autonomy, resisting the
categorisation of life's problem as medical, and promoting
the de-professionalisation of primary care; is no longer a
radical agenda.

[John 4 'Kn]

Warum sind Frauen so verfluchtes dummes?

"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay.com> wrote in message
news:3CC35B23.9A6CF6FA@nospamhortonsbay.com...
> Stev must have you rattled - the words you're searching
> for are:
>
> embarrassed
>
> credentials
>
> flaunting
>
> de-professionalisation - is that a word? Isn't that the same
> as amateurization, if indeed that is a word?
>
> If one is going to "fluant" their "crediantals" the least
> they can do is spell the words correctly - sort of makes you
> a tad more believable? Gee whiz John, don't you have a spell
> checker on your news reader? Mine picked up both "fluant"
> and "crediantals."
>
> You're promoting making primary health care an amateur
> undertaking? When we're sick, our front line contacts will
> be amateurs like you instead of family practice physicians
> or internists?
>
> So this is health care in the 21st century? Tsk, tsk.....
>
> Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology
>
> John 4 'Knows All' wrote:
> >
> > Not only am I not embrassed by my crediantals, as of
> > today, I will be fluanting them in your face!
> >
> > From now on, I will be openly promoting the
> > de-professionalisation of primary health care. If that
> > thought is good enough to be published in
BMJ,
> > it is good enough for me to be posting comments on these
> > health ngs as usual.

[Slenon]

My guess, the anti-watchman. Could this be his return?

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Slenon]

>If it is WAR you want, it is WAR you got. God help these ngs,
>because I
will be screwing everybody over till hell freezes over, or you
drop dead, on
a >daily basis.

>>"slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message .. Gohde
>>#514, apparently approaching critical status rants:
> >You're all a bunch of blithering trilobites. I am here to
> >save you from
your own shamful ignoramity. (rest of tirade clipped)

John, you'd better get checked out by a mental health
center. You're threatening to go to war with yourself. You
are apparently having trouble keeping your numerous screen
names straight.

And it's "shameful" not "shamful". You really should let us
edit your tirades before you post them.

As for "screwing everybody over" only those who take your
advice need worry.

--
Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line
is patients not profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member
slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/ind-
ex.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Charlesswa]

No, he just changes an entry in his newsgroup reader
regularly.

--

Cheerio, Charles

"Question with boldness even the very existence of a God;
because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of
reason than that of a blindfolded fear." -- Thomas Jefferson

"slenon" <slenon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:GwHw8.276525$K52.43509597@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> Does Gohde actually have a screen name for each of the
> voices in his head?
>
> --
> Stev Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia
> ashes Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate
> bottom line is patients
not
> profit Save a cow, eat a PETA member slenon@tampabay.rr.com
> http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92k-
> word.htm

[Jedilworth]

Du bist ein Einfaltspinsel, nicht mir.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology

John 4 'Knows All' wrote:
>
> Warum sind Frauen so verfluchtes dummes?

[John 4 'Kn]

Nur eine Frau würde genug stumm sein, eine Faltebürste
zu benutzen.

"JEDilworth" <bactitech@nospamhortonsbay.com> wrote in message
news:3CC4F72B.4FC71CF4@nospamhortonsbay.com...
> Du bist ein Einfaltspinsel, nicht mir.
>
> Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology
>
> John 4 'Knows All' wrote:
> >
> > Warum sind Frauen so verfluchtes dummes?