tendonitis / joint pain

[Ken H]

Hi All,

I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis. I am not an
athlete nor am I a weekend warrior. It seemed to spring out of
nowhere about 6 months ago and has gotten very painful.

While I am going to physical therapy and exercising the area
at home I am wondering if anyone reading this group has
experienced joint/tendon problems and found any of the
supplements advertised for these problems to be useful.

I would love to hear about it-what did you take in what
amounts and how long for success.

Thanks,

Ken Hassman

[taurusrc]

Have you tried cayenne pepper?

Ora

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Today's Topic: Spice for your Arthritis

Hot pepper juice relieves the pain of arthritis when rubbed
over the affected area. The active ingredient is capsaicin,
and this is what burns your tongue. Topical application of
this seems to trick the nerve endings to forget about the
pain from joints. It has been moderately effective in several
small trials.

A recent study of about 250 patients with arthritis of the
knee found that swallowing ginger extract was superior to a
placebo. Knee pain was reduced on standing and after walking,
and patients were able to reduce pain medication after 6
weeks. Adverse gastrointestinal effects were 3 times more
common in those getting ginger, but the side effects were
mostly mild. This study appeared in the November 2001 issue of
Arthritis & Rheumatism.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW: A number of foods have been
studied for reducing pain. Not only spices but omega-3 fatty
acids found in fish seem to help rheumatoid arthritis,
probably by slightly decreasing inflammation. An editorial
that accompanied the ginger study strongly recommended that
ginger not be recommended because of only limited efficacy,
lack of clear effectiveness in a previous trial, and absence
of meaningful data on safety. While ginger has been eaten in
small to tongue-biting amounts for centuries, we do not know
what the long term effects of daily consumption of these
extracts might be.

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:18:41 -0500, "Ken H"
<ken@hellotherehassman.com> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis. I am not an
>athlete nor am I a weekend warrior. It seemed to spring out
>of nowhere about 6 months ago and has gotten very painful.
>
>While I am going to physical therapy and exercising the area
>at home I am wondering if anyone reading this group has
>experienced joint/tendon problems and found any of the
>supplements advertised for these problems to be useful.
>
>I would love to hear about it-what did you take in what
>amounts and how long for success.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ken Hassman

[Jedilworth]

I was going to a podiatrist for plantar fascitis a year ago in
my left foot. He splinted my foot twice, injected it twice
with steroids, and I was and still am on Ibuprofen. I was
taking 600 mg 3 x day and still take 600 mg 2 x day. I know
that's not what you want to hear. It's pretty much gone, but I
still wear shoe inserts. It takes a lot of time to heal stuff
in your foot. He warned me he could probably get my foot 95%
better, but the last 5% would take the longest. This has been
true. I saw him for the last time in May of 2001.

Have you seen a podiatrist? My family doc had no idea what
to do with
it. She thought it was a heel spur and had an xray taken,
then referred me to the podiatrist. He took xrays of
both feet; the one that hurt did NOT have a spur, and
the other one, which was giving me no problems, DID
have a spur.

He also tried me on a two week stint of either Celebrex or
Vioxx (they were samples and I can't remember which one it
was) but they didn't do any better than the Motrin, and the
latter were far cheaper.

I know, this is not the NATURAL way, but it worked for me.
Good luck - it's not comfortable when your feet are in a
lot of pain.

Judy Dilworth, M.T.(ASCP) Microbiology

Ken H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis.......

[Mbansch314]

> I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis. I am not an
> athlete nor am
I
> a weekend warrior. It seemed to spring out of nowhere about
> 6 months ago and has gotten very painful.

I can't talk from personal experience but I can tell you what
IBIS recommends.

Healing foods: Olives, rye, lima beans, rice bran, bananas,
sprouts, watercress, apples, grapes and beef.

Supplements: Zinc, vitamin E, calcium, vitamin C, omega-3
fatty acids, bromelain, cod liver oil.

From what I understand about inflammatory processes, omega-3
fatty acids and bromelain will probably help more than some of
the other suggestions from IBIS.

They advise against using prednisone/prednisolone to control
the pain and inflammation of tendinitis.

IBIS covers all of the alternative treatment options. I don't
usually mention any of the others, especially homepathy
because I don't understand them. For physical therapy you are
looking at ROM exercises for the foot and strengthening
exercises. These exercises will include water exercise. Ice
bag and a wet sock are also used by physical therapists.

For osteopathic manipulation you are going to use deep
friction massage of the tendon followed by ice message of the
tendon. Each massage is for 10 minutes every 3-7 days for a
total of 3-5 weeks.

For electrical and oscillating therapy there are several
options. You would probably have a very hard time finding
someone who knew how to do these kinds of treatment.
Accupuncture can also work as can herbals. All of the herbals
are topical application except for one that is both topical
and internal.

I prefer not giving the IBIS herbal treatments unless I have
checked them out in medline. For vitamins and minerals, I have
usually already looked at the specific illness and know if
what they propose can really work.

Tendinitis is a very common problem in sports medicine, I
would image that most of these other treatment options have
been studied with published data for each alternative
therapy method.

[*]

Have you tried Naproxen Sodium? (You can get it
non-prescription at any pharmacy.) That's what I use when I
get tendonitis in my lower back. It works great for me. If I
feel tendonitis begin, I take two 220mg tablets and then
another tablet 12 hours later. I'm usually back to normal
after two doses. I used to have a chronic problem with
tendonitis before I found Naproxen. After clearing up the
initial problem I haven't had to take Naproxen but maybe once
yearly since then (about 3 yrs ago).

Hope this helps: Mike

Here's a good source of additional info on Naproxen; http:/-
/www.spineuniverse.com/index.htmlhttp&&&www.spineuniverse.c-
om/treatmen
t/drugs/planetrx/1594_instruction.html

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Ken H <ken@hellotherehassman.com> wrote in message
news:a594gi$e5q$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
> Hi All,
>
> I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis. I am not an
> athlete nor am
I
> a weekend warrior. It seemed to spring out of nowhere about
> 6 months ago and has gotten very painful.
>
> While I am going to physical therapy and exercising the area
> at home I am wondering if anyone reading this group has
> experienced joint/tendon
problems
> and found any of the supplements advertised for these
> problems to be
useful.
>
> I would love to hear about it-what did you take in what
> amounts and how
long
> for success.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Hassman

[Ken H]

Thanks very much to you and all who have responded to me.

Could you please tell me what IBIS stands for?

Ken Hassman

"mbansch314" <mbansch314@cox.net> wrote in message
news:RLce8.8413$s03.264747@news2.east.cox.net...
> > I have a painful case of achilles tendonitis. I am not an
> > athlete nor
am
> I
> > a weekend warrior. It seemed to spring out of nowhere
> > about 6 months
ago
> > and has gotten very painful.
>
> I can't talk from personal experience but I can tell you
> what IBIS recommends.
>
> Healing foods: Olives, rye, lima beans, rice bran, bananas,
> sprouts, watercress, apples, grapes and beef.
>
> Supplements: Zinc, vitamin E, calcium, vitamin C, omega-3
> fatty acids, bromelain, cod liver oil.
>
> From what I understand about inflammatory processes, omega-3
> fatty acids
and
> bromelain will probably help more than some of the other
> suggestions from IBIS.
>
> They advise against using prednisone/prednisolone to control
> the pain and inflammation of tendinitis.
>
> IBIS covers all of the alternative treatment options. I
> don't usually mention any of the others, especially
> homepathy because I don't understand them. For physical
> therapy you are looking at ROM exercises for the foot and
> strengthening exercises. These exercises will include water
> exercise. Ice bag and a wet sock are also used by physical
> therapists.
>
> For osteopathic manipulation you are going to use deep
> friction massage of the tendon followed by ice message of
> the tendon. Each massage is for 10 minutes every 3-7 days
> for a total of 3-5 weeks.
>
> For electrical and oscillating therapy there are several
> options. You
would
> probably have a very hard time finding someone who knew how
> to do these kinds of treatment. Accupuncture can also work
> as can herbals. All of
the
> herbals are topical application except for one that is both
> topical and internal.
>
> I prefer not giving the IBIS herbal treatments unless I have
> checked them out in medline. For vitamins and minerals, I
> have usually already looked
at
> the specific illness and know if what they propose can
> really work.
>
> Tendinitis is a very common problem in sports medicine, I
> would image that most of these other treatment options have
> been studied with published
data
> for each alternative therapy method.
>
>
>

[Jedilworth]

My mother was prescribed Celebrex for her osteoarthritis,
which she just couldn't afford, as she's on a limited income.
She now takes two 220
mg. tablets of generic Naproxen sodium twice a day and it
works just as well. I can buy a huge bottle at K-Mart or
Sam's for about $9 which lasts her two months. Celebrex
was costing over $100/month. I used to take prescription
strength Naproxen sodium for my back problems and it
worked great.

Two and a half generic over-the-counter Naproxen sodium
tablets is equal to one prescription strength pill. Also,
Naproxen sodium is the same as Aleve, but a LOT cheaper.

Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP) Microbiology

* wrote:
>
> Have you tried Naproxen Sodium? (You can get it
> non-prescription at any pharmacy.) That's what I use when I
> get tendonitis in my lower back. It works great for me. If I
> feel tendonitis begin, I take two 220mg tablets and then
> another tablet 12 hours later. I'm usually back to normal
> after two doses. I used to have a chronic problem with
> tendonitis before I found Naproxen. After clearing up the
> initial problem I haven't had to take Naproxen but maybe
> once yearly since then (about 3 yrs ago).
>
> Hope this helps: Mike
>
> Here's a good source of additional info on Naproxen; http:/-
> /www.spineuniverse.com/index.htmlhttp&&&www.spineuniverse.c-
> om/treatmen
> t/drugs/planetrx/1594_instruction.html

[Martin Ban]

"Ken H" <ken@hellotherehassman.com> wrote in message
news:<a5bm0a$pob$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> Thanks very much to you and all who have responded to me.
>
> Could you please tell me what IBIS stands for?
>
> Ken Hassman

IBIS is a software program. It stands for Integrative
Body/Mind Information System. Whenever I work up a CME
program, it's the first place I go for nutrition information.
I has every human disease and all of the alternative
treatments for these diseases (conditions).

[Ken H]

Thanks Martin, I just their little tour at their website and
it looks like an awesome program.

Ken

"Martin Banschbach" <mbansch314@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cba7fed1.0202241743.4d17e92e@posting.google.com...
> "Ken H" <ken@hellotherehassman.com> wrote in message
news:<a5bm0a$pob$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> > Thanks very much to you and all who have responded to me.
> >
> > Could you please tell me what IBIS stands for?
> >
> > Ken Hassman
>
> IBIS is a software program. It stands for Integrative
> Body/Mind Information System. Whenever I work up a CME
> program, it's the first place I go for nutrition
> information. I has every human disease and all of the
> alternative treatments for these diseases (conditions).