Glycemic load:Why pasta is high

[Wuzzy]

Hi guys, I remain unmoved (obstinate) in my position with
regards pasta. If I were in charge of policy and I had to
reduce the glycemic load of the US, british and italian
populations, I would recommend first a reduction in all breads
including "whole grain bread"(the studies did distinguish
between whole grain bread and regular bread - Willett also
mentions whole grain bread is not really whole grain - but
yeah i have heard him recommend whole grain pasta)

and after that if we were still unsatisfied with the
glycemic profile i would recommend a reduction in pasta and
then if still unsatisfied then potatoes and fruit (potatoes
and fruit are only about 10grams of carb each average per
day pasta is 34grams per day average depending in people
with low glycemic score)

Of course I'm looking at american british and italian people,
if i were looking at Asian countries the advice would probably
change to reducing rice, but i still wouldn't recommend
replacing it with pasta, replacing with fruits and veggies is
a better strategy depending on the degree of reduction
required..

What is the change in GI from al dente pasta to regular? I'm
doubtful it is enough to offset the large quantities of
carbohydrate that pasta contributes. (this conversation is
complicated as we are talking about different people at the
same time: the people with high pasta intake had lower
glycemic index scores because they ate less bread): basically
if you want to reduce your glycemic score after reducing
bread, do not look at potatos or carrots or tomatos or
anything like that, look at pasta..

[Paul Roger]

"Wuzzy" <mypcos@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi guys, I remain unmoved (obstinate) in my position with
> regards pasta. If I were in charge of policy and I had to
> reduce the glycemic load of the US, british and italian
> populations, I would recommend first a reduction in all
> breads including "whole grain bread"(the studies did
> distinguish between whole grain bread and regular bread -
> Willett also mentions whole grain bread is not really
> whole grain - but yeah i have heard him recommend whole
> grain pasta)
>
> and after that if we were still unsatisfied with the
> glycemic profile i would recommend a reduction in pasta and
> then if still unsatisfied then potatoes and fruit (potatoes
> and fruit are only about 10grams of carb each average per
> day pasta is 34grams per day average depending in people
> with low glycemic score)
>
> Of course I'm looking at american british and italian
> people, if i were looking at Asian countries the advice
> would probably change to reducing rice, but i still wouldn't
> recommend replacing it with pasta, replacing with fruits and
> veggies is a better strategy depending on the degree of
> reduction required..
>
> What is the change in GI from al dente pasta to regular? I'm
> doubtful it is enough to offset the large quantities of
> carbohydrate that pasta contributes. (this conversation is
> complicated as we are talking about different people at the
> same time: the people with high pasta intake had lower
> glycemic index scores because they ate less bread):
> basically if you want to reduce your glycemic score after
> reducing bread, do not look at potatos or carrots or tomatos
> or anything like that, look at pasta..

How about setting a grain serving/per day rather than trying
to discriminate. Lets say for a 2000 kcal diet, six serves of
grain carbohydrate (ye gads the LCs shout) based on serving
size of 1 slice bread, half cup pasta, rice, cooked porridge
etc. Then you can eat it all at once as pasta (a big plate
full) or spread it around? That's what diet pyramids are for.

Paul R

[Quentin Gr]

This post not CC'd by email On 1 Feb 2002 12:52:50 -0800,
mypcos@hotmail.com (Wuzzy) wrote:

>Hi guys, I remain unmoved (obstinate) in my position with
>regards pasta. If I were in charge of policy and I had to
>reduce the glycemic load of the US, british and italian
>populations, I would recommend first a reduction in all
>breads including "whole grain bread"(the studies did
>distinguish between whole grain bread and regular bread -
>Willett also mentions whole grain bread is not really
>whole grain - but yeah i have heard him recommend whole
>grain pasta)

If we were machiavellian enough to want to change the world so
as to reduce the glycemic load we could change the pyramid
into a healthy upright biped ... sort of like a human.

Instead of two servings of grain based foods per one of
vegetables as in the pyramid we'd make the ratio one of grain
to one of vegetables.

Grain and vegetables would form legs of equal length.

It works for the Okinawans.

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the
blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

[Paul Roger]

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> This post not CC'd by email On 1 Feb 2002 12:52:50 -0800,
> mypcos@hotmail.com (Wuzzy) wrote:
>
> >Hi guys, I remain unmoved (obstinate) in my position with
> >regards pasta. If I were in charge of policy and I had to
> >reduce the glycemic load of the US, british and italian
> >populations, I would recommend first a reduction in all
> >breads including "whole grain bread"(the studies did
> >distinguish between whole grain bread and regular bread -
> >Willett also mentions whole grain bread is not really
> >whole grain - but yeah i have heard him recommend whole
> >grain pasta)
>
> If we were machiavellian enough to want to change the
> world so as to reduce the glycemic load we could change
> the pyramid into a healthy upright biped ... sort of like
> a human.
>
> Instead of two servings of grain based foods per one of
> vegetables as in the pyramid we'd make the ratio one of
> grain to one of vegetables.
>
> Grain and vegetables would form legs of equal length.
>
> It works for the Okinawans.

I agree. I must admit, I really cannot see that the USDA
carbohydrate servings in the pyramid should be 6-11 serves.
Even when exercising substantially I rarely eat more than 6-8
although the fruit and veg adds to the carbohydrate. The upper
limit of calorie intake for the pyramid calculations appears
to be 2800 kcalories (teenage boys and exercising men).

PR