hey Tamarian, CaptXray, LizB, Karen, Andy, Newtothis, and everyone else!

[foodie212]

Just a note to say hello and what a great forum!

CaptXRay i'm fascinated by paleoanthropology and would love to read more of your posts on this and related subjects.


Foodie :wave:

[tamarian]

And hey! right back at you!

Welcome aboard Foodie.

Wa'il

[foodie212]

Thank you Wa'il ! So cool to meet you!

How are you?


foodie :wave:

[karebear]

hi foodie212 :wave:

it's great to see you posting. are you going to start a journal?

just curious, what's your take on the consumption of wine? i myself am a fan, so i have decided not to give it up entirely. (a girl's gotta have some fun :daze: )

i have been paleo since august 2001 (with much cheating around thanksgiving through valentine's day), but i am back on track now.

[foodie212]

Originally posted by karebear
hi foodie212 :wave:
it's great to see you posting. are you going to start a journal?
just curious, what's your take on the consumption of wine? i myself am a fan, so i have decided not to give it up entirely. (a girl's gotta have some fun :daze: )
i have been paleo since august 2001 (with much cheating around thanksgiving through valentine's day), but i am back on track now.


Hi Karebear! Hey, it's so great to meet you! I've enjoyed reading your posts, very interesting!

Do you mean a daily food journal? Hey, i'm always happy to generate more verbiage :D AHHAHAHA

Keeping a daily food journal seems to make me more conscious and focused. So yeah, i'll post one here -- are you going to, too?

About wine, do you mean do i think it's paleo, or what? i have no idea. It would be interesting to find out. I've never developed a taste for wine, but have sampled some at the local wineries a couple of times with friends who drink socially. A couple of months ago we went to the new winery and sampled their white, and it was so incredibly good i know i could very easily have gulped down the whole bottle and wanted more.

i think i've had, in my entire life, maybe a dozen glasses of champagne. Just never really liked the taste of wine and can't STAND the taste of beer and other alcohol.

We don't keep any alcohol in the house and are rather wary of it, actually -- my husband's father died of alcoholism (after abusing his wife and children for years), and MY father is addicted to wine to a completely devastating extent.

i know it's supposed to be really healthy in moderation. But given the cold hard fact of my sugar addiction, and after tasting that yummy wine at the new winery, i'm afraid i could easily become addicted.

Hey, how did you become interested in paleo? i know how it is to fall off the wagon, and wish you best of luck as you continue to persevere! i'm going to try really hard to meet the No-Cheat-April Challenge over at lowcarbeating.com i've really gotten so frustrated with my sugar addictions lately.

Have a great weekend! :wave:
foodie

[karebear]

sugar addict huh?

well, my weakness is definately chocolate. for easter i could not stop eating my kid's chocolate candy. even though i was full, i kept on going, and going :eek: . i can stay away from all other sweets, but i am definately a chocolate fiend.

as for the journal, i have one in the journal area, you can click on the journal icon under my posts.

as for how i got interested in paleo, i had seen ray audette on one of those tv news shows. it made so much sense, but i could not get any one to go on it with me. so i went on atkins because my older sister was on it and had a lot of success.

after a few months on atkins i stopped losing so i tried paleo. since then i have put my whole family on it and my kids are a lot calmer and my husband feels great too.

i will have to check out lowcarbeating.com too :spin:

[foodie212]

Originally posted by karebear
sugar addict huh?
well, my weakness is definately chocolate. for easter i could not stop eating my kid's chocolate candy. even though i was full, i kept on going, and going :eek: . i can stay away from all other sweets, but i am definately a chocolate fiend.
as for the journal, i have one in the journal area, you can click on the journal icon under my posts.
as for how i got interested in paleo, i had seen ray audette on one of those tv news shows. it made so much sense, but i could not get any one to go on it with me. so i went on atkins because my older sister was on it and had a lot of success.
after a few months on atkins i stopped losing so i tried paleo. since then i have put my whole family on it and my kids are a lot calmer and my husband feels great too.
i will have to check out lowcarbeating.com too :spin:

Hi KB! O me too with the chocolate -- the thing is, though, if there weren't any sugar in it, i wouldn't be the least bit tempted. So i know it's not just the chocolate -- it's the chocolate in combination with the sugar.

Hey i didn't even know there was a journal area here! I need to get out more :D

That's interesting about how you became interested in paleo. And so cool that it's helping you and your family so much! Can you imagine the change in our society if the public schools switched their lunch programs to paleo!

Have a great weekend!
:wave: foodie

[karebear]

hey foodie

what a great idea. just today i was asking my son about one of his friends at school. i said "was that the same boy that asked you if you wanted any cereal?" he said "yes mom, but remember, i told him we already ate breakfast and we don't eat cereal, or milk either".

i thought, what a great kid i have. he knows that the family does not eat cereal or milk and he doesen't have a problem with it.

i hope he still feels this way when he gets older. there is so much temptation out there.

again i say, how silly is that to feed your children the milk of an animal that has a digestive system that is so dissimilar from our own.

[LizB.]

Hello!

I would like to read more threads on the subject as well. Why don't we start with how healthy our bones were before we became agricultural, one of my favorite paleoanthropological sucbjects, LOL!

[sunkist]

http://www.westonaprice.org/images/navajo.gif

weston price - native american indians (http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html)

REMARKABLE HEALTH
That the hunter-gatherer was healthy there is no doubt. Weston Price noted an almost complete absence of tooth decay and dental deformities among native Americans who lived as their ancestors did.5 They had broad faces, straight teeth and fine physiques. This was true of the nomadic tribes living in the far northern territories of British Columbia and the Yukon, as well as the wary inhabitants of the Florida Everglades, who were finally coaxed into allowing him to take photographs. Skeletal remains of the Indians of Vancouver that Price studied were similar, showing a virtual absence of tooth decay, arthritis and any other kind of bone deformity. TB was nonexistent among Indians who ate as their ancestors had done, and the women gave birth with ease.

Price interviewed the beloved Dr. Romig in Alaska who stated “that in his thirty-six years of contact with these people he had never seen a case of malignant disease among the truly primitive Eskimos and Indians, although it frequently occurs when they become modernized. He found, similarly, that the acute surgical problems requiring operation on internal organs, such as the gall bladder, kidney, stomach and appendix, do not tend to occur among the primitives but are very common problems among the modernized Eskimos and Indians. Growing out of his experience in which he had seen large numbers of the modernized Eskimos and Indians attacked with tuberculosis, which tended to be progressive and ultimately fatal as long as the patients stayed under modernized living conditions, he now sends them back when possible to primitive conditions and to a primitive diet, under which the death rate is very much lower than under modernized conditions. Indeed, he reported that a great majority of the afflicted recover under the primitive type of living and nutrition.”6

The early explorers consistently described the native Americans as tall and well formed. Of the Indians of Texas, the explorer Cabeza de Vaca7 wrote, “The men could run after a deer for an entire day without resting and without apparent fatigue. . . one man near seven feet in stature. . . runs down a buffalo on foot and slays it with his knife or lance, as he runs by its side.” The Indians were difficult to kill. De Vaca reports on an Indian “traversed by an arrow. . . he does not die but recovers from his wound.” The Karakawas, a tribe that lived near the Gulf Coast, were tall, well-built and muscular. “The men went stark naked, the lower lip and nipple pierced, covered in alligator grease [to ward off mosquitos], happy and generous, with amazing physical prowess. . . they go naked in the most burning sun, in winter they go out in early dawn to take a bath, breaking the ice with their body.”

[mamasita]

Hi Guys:
I was reading your very interesting threads and I was so amazed at the fact that your kids (Karebear) are on the 'diet', wow!!!!
I remember when my daughter was a year old and my in -laws would give her coke, i'd freak out, I was always very carefull about the way they eat, but it is so difficult to carry out in the society I live in...they drive me crazy with questions about this woe...imagine if my kids were also doing it...
I completely admire you for your commitment :D
About the chocolate? is it 'allowed' in paleo?
I'm on neanderthin and it's not allowed, but once in a while I have to have some s/f chocolate...
Well guys love to hear more...
Have a great week!!!
mamasita :wave:

[oregano]

Our son is two and when we are home we don't cheat. If we are in a social situation and he's offered food, he's allowed to take it. (It's really really hard to explain to a two year old why all the other kids can have a lollipop and he can't!) We have been telling him that some food is "junk food" and now he's been asking things like "Are french fries junk food?" I'm hoping as he gets older, he learns to self-regulate.

I'm truly appalled at what is offered to kids in our society. At our son's one-day-a-week preschool, he was given snacks of candy, chocolate pudding, etc. These would in no way be healthy by *anyone's* definition.

[captxray]

Hi, everybody...and, especially, foodie! What has happened to the previous stuff on this thread? I seem to find only one page, so it's kind of hard to remember what the thread was all about when it started...if you know what I mean. I anxiously await your comments...

[sunkist]

I agree Captain X-Ray-when i look at my post about native American indians - it doesn't seem to make sense within the thread anymore.

Oh well I hope we can get this part of the forum busier too as i think this might be the healthiest version of low carb dieting there is since it doesn't promote alot of sugar free-low carb substitutes and stays close to natural

[captxray]

The best thing about this woe is that you don't have to become a math whiz...no counting for me! I've lost 92 pounds, so far, with not one day of counting carbs, fats, calories, etc. All I count is how much weight I'm losing and how much body fat pecentage I have. I LOVE this WOE!! Most people think I'm a "Neandernut," but as they slowly kill themselves with their cakes and cookies and breads and pastas, and chocolate, and cornmeal muffins...you get the picture...I feel healthier, every day. I went on the most strenuous hiking adventures, this summer, than I've ever done in my life. It was absolutely great! I went places I thought I would never see again...two years ago, I was a big, fat, out-of-shape-tub-o-lard, who was convinced that he would never again do the things he did as a young person. People told me I was going to die early unless I lost the weight...My doctor shook his head every time he saw me. But, here's the funny part...I went on this WOE and all of those same people cautioned me about the dangers of it...including my doctor...they shook their heads when they saw what I ate...they told me the weight loss was only "temporary" and that I should get onto a diet better suited for me...well, I've been on this woe of two years, now, and I feel great, I look great, I am in better shape than I've been in my whole life, I can run rings around the young guys at Home Depot (one of three jobs I have, at present...something I could never have done two years ago!), my lean body tissue literally bulges out of my arms and legs, and my stomach is starting to appear out of the loose flab that hangs around my waist. An aquaintance I haven't seen in about a year and a half saw me at Home Depot the other day and almost fell down when she realized it was me...I literally had to tell her I was the "Ray" she knew in the past. She thought there was a resemblance, but just couldn't believe what she saw. Her husband said, "Is this Ray!? Oh, my God!"

My doctor is on the WOE, now! Others have grudgingly had to admit that "maybe" this "diet" is good for me. And, during this two years...last winter, in fact, I was on a nine month plateau...I became fully convinced that I had lost all of the weight I was going to lose, but I didn't change my eating patterns because I knew I felt better, and never wanted to feel the way I used to, in the past. Then, summer came and I lost 22 more pounds, and am still losing! I think that when winter finally settles in, I will plateau again. My body goes into a holding pattern during the colder winter months because that is the natural thing to do with wild animals...they conserve in winter because food is more scarce. It's a really neat feeling to know that I have become like a "wild animal." It proves my body has returned to the way it should have been operating all of my life.

If you haven't ever seen them, watch the two movies, The Gods Must Be Crazy I and II. They are about the Bushmen of Africa. Aside from being very funny, they really show the way the bush people live, their philosophy of life, their peacefulness, even some of the food they eat...When I first saw the movies, I just watched them for entertainment. I got them, recently and watched them, again. I was amazed at how much closer I feel to those peaceful hunters and gatherers, now. Their food looks way more appetizing, too! I actually think I could live with them and eat their food, now. I eat things I never thought I would even touch...like sardines, and Kippered Snacks, and fish, galore...and salads by the ton...I hated vegetables and fruit. Now, I get saliva in my mouth just thinking about a big salad!

[sunkist]

Captain XRay
That is so awesome!!! Your enthusiasm and success is definitely contagious. I really do believe that this is the right way to eat - primarily because it is the exact OPPOSITE of what the food manufacturers are pushing on us!!!

I know that when I eat all that bread, cookies, pastries etc - I feel drugged, lethargic and I think that's how the government wants us - so spacey we can't think straight and definitely not physically strong enough to survive without mod cons.

I would love to some day live in the woods etc - My brother did so in pennsylvania - he had planted fruits and vegetables and had deer roaming onto his property, he had planted pine trees all over the place - he could hike and find wild berries and then go fishing in the "crick" behind his house.

He moved to Seattle and has basically the same set-up there. He loves the woods and so do I!!

And isn't it amazing the transformation that happens when we eat right? All of a sudden we LOOK right - healthy and strong - not puffy and pasty. And high energy!!! :wiggle:

anyway - really liked your story :thup:

[captxray]

Hey, Sunkist...

In looking at your stats, I see that you really didn't have that much to lose, in the first place. It's good to see someone on this woe just for their health! I notice, too that you have 12% body fat!! Wow! Are you a body-builder, or something? That seems awfully low for a woman. I'm not being a male chauvinst pig by that statement. Women tend to need more body fat than men. You say you feel great, so you must be doing it right. I'll bet you're a regular AYLA, huh? Especially, if you would like to live in the woods.

I moved up here to Oregon about 11 years ago from southern California...Yep! I've been a "native Oregonian" for eleven years, now. I will NEVER go back to that rat race! Klamath Falls is sort of a mean-spirited little berg(it seems there are a lot of angry people up here that don't like each other), but it's nothing like L.A. There is just something about getting up every morning and being able to see Mt. Shasta sticking up that big white head on the horizon and looking over to my right and seeing the Cascades and the areas where I go hiking...and knowing that, at the end of my work day as a teacher of emotionally disturbed adolescants, I can go down to the lake within 5 minutes and drop my line in and go off into a reverie, and maybe even catch a great big trout for my evening meal! That is, unless I'm working at the, always lovely, Home Depot Garden Center. Then, I go and talk plants with people and try to sell barbecues and tractors...unless, of course, I'm going home to work in my woodshop and create something artistic that I can make big bucks on, so I can go hiking next summer, or fishing on my next day off, whenever that will be!

[sunkist]

Hi Captain Xray
Well I'M not a bodybuilder, but my husband is and a personal trainer. Actually I'd like to gain a little fat. I lost quite a bit when I was eating the raw foods diet and so I think that by adding back in the protein - keeping the raw fruits & vegs, nuts etc. I'll do great - I feel really good at about 16-17%Bodyfat.

Yeah the days of me obsessing about how THIN i am or wanted to be are over!! It's all about health and a good sense of well being. I usually do feel better on the leaner side - more energy etc. But I want to KNOW that I'm eating what is right for us humans to be eating!!

Just spoke to my brother and he is going to try to come down and I told him about the pemmican so he's going to dig up that recipe for me

thankis again
Oregon is a beautiful place and I have been to the Oregon Caves back when I was a kid and it's beautiful up around that area. I think that in a secluded mountain place you can get a mix of people who are great and then a mix of people who are there because they do NOT like people in general!!! :lol:

[captxray]

I love the way you talk! Now, that my weight is down and I don't feel the necessity to obsess about how much I've still got to lose, I just feel great. Wow! Your very own personal trainer...without even having to pay for it...must be great!

I get over around the Oregon Caves area a couple of times a year...on my way to the coast. I stay in Gold Beach, a sleepy little seaside town with not much happening...great place to go and just relax watching the surf. It's claim to fame is that it's at the headwaters of the Rogue River...a truly beautiful wild and scenic river...full of fish that I now eat with relish! In order to get there, we have to go through the California Redwoods National and State Parks. What a place! It's so primitive and ancient under those great trees. Last time I was in there, hiking, I came upon a huge bull Elk on the trail, eating to his heart's content. I had to wait for over a half hour to get by him...you don't mess with an animal the size of a horse who has antlers over 8 feet long!