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ReginaW
Wed, Jun-04-08, 17:56
The Taboo of Obesity

By JEREMY BROWN

WASHINGTON -- I have been doing the unthinkable, and the word is out. I am an emergency physician in Washington, and I've started talking to my patients about their weight.

It has taken me a while to pluck up the courage to speak frankly with obese patients about this problem. For 15 years I have broached virtually every delicate subject -- from sexual histories to the cough that is really cancer -- in the noisy, impersonal setting of a busy ER. It is expected of me. It is my job.

So why has it been so hard to talk about this? With an epidemic of obesity in the United States, why are so many doctors skittish about discussing obesity with its sufferers? The truth is, I don't know.

On a recent shift, I treated a woman in her mid-40s who had had pain in her left knee for a month. She had not twisted or injured it in any way that she could recall. There were no signs of infection above the knee. She wanted an X-ray.

She also weighed close to 300 pounds. That's a lot of stress on a joint. Her knees simply cannot keep supporting her weight.

Until recently, I would have ordered an X-ray. Ordering an X-ray makes everyone happy: The hospital charges for taking it. The radiologist charges to read it. The patient often wants the test and is happy to have more than a three-minute evaluation. Once the film is developed, I mention something about there being no fracture and seeing some changes consistent with early arthritis. Then I prescribe some pain relief. The patient would leave feeling vindicated. His or her problem was captured on film, and the interminable wait was somehow worth it.

Ultimately, though, this approach is wrong. When the emergency room is crowded, it is easy to let the preventive aspects of medicine slip away. Obesity is not only about health risks, which include diabetes, joint pain, congestive heart failure, strokes, back pain, sleep apnea, depression, infertility and erectile dysfunction. It is also about the root causes and our society's denial of the woeful impact obesity is having on Americans' health. Let me "not fail to see what is visible" is the line I recall from the Prayer for Physicians attributed to the great physician- philosopher of the Middle Ages, Moses Maimonides, a copy of which hangs over my desk. Non-traumatic knee pain in an obese patient is a sign that she needs dietary counseling, not radiographic imaging.

Although preventive medicine is not really part of our job description, it has not been ignored by emergency physicians. More than seven years ago, the Society for Academic Emergency Medicine directed its Public Health and Education Task Force to develop recommendations for prevention that included screenings and counseling. Possible interventions included pneumococcal immunization for seniors, pap screening for women and pediatric immunizations in children.

They considered screening for sexually transmitted diseases, tobacco and alcohol use, diabetes, hypertension, HIV and domestic violence. They wondered if we should ask all patients about the safe storage of their firearms and use of smoke detectors. After reviewing 17 possible interventions, the task force recommended routine screening for alcohol, smoking, HIV and hypertension; immunizations; and the referral of children without primary care physicians to a continuing source of care. The next time you cut your finger and go to the ER needing sutures, I should speak to you about these conditions.

Have you noticed what is missing?

There are many opinions about what one can say to overweight patients needing long-term treatment. There is, of course, much that we do not know about obesity. Is it a lifestyle choice, a physical or mental illness, or the result of some genetic trait? Should those who are severely obese exercise, follow a strict diet, take anti- obesity medications, undergo surgery or all of the above?

If it is confusing to me, it must be harder for my patients. That is why we need to begin this conversation in medical school and continue it through residency and beyond. We need to prepare physicians for this necessary conversation.

Jeremy Brown is an associate professor of emergency medicine and research director in the Department of Emergency Medicine at George Washington University Hospital. He is the author of the Oxford American Handbook of Emergency Medicine.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1416564/the_taboo_of_obesity/

rightnow
Wed, Jun-04-08, 18:13
Well so far the 'preparation' physicians gets mostly results in them helping obese people make the problem worse until that or other related problems kill them off. I'm afraid if physicians get any more "prepared" by medical school (school funded by pharmaceutical and food companies), even more people will die.

As an aside, although I agree a doctor should address any obvious health issues, it is my opinion that nobody more than 40 lbs overweight is unaware that (a) they are fat, or (b) that this is bad for their health. I am not sure how the ER doc fixing my broken wrist, pointing out that I'm way too fat and it's a health danger, is going to help me. And, frankly, if I go to the ER to fix my broken wrist, I really do NOT want to talk to that doctor about every imaginable thing in my past and present. I want him to fix my broken wrist, that is what I am paying way too much for while it takes way too long. If I want counseling on my fatness or my nutrition I will talk to a regular doctor, a nutritionist, or better yet, go look for real information instead.

pengu1
Wed, Jun-04-08, 22:19
I agree, ER doctors are there to fix the trauma that brought you to them. However, many people that go to the ER do NOT have regular doctors. They use the ER as their medical care, and maybe this kind of approach could help someone to re-think the choices they make regarding their health.

I don't mean to imply that people with no health care can afford to make drastic lifestyle changes on the advice of some concerned doctor, but even a little bit of education, counseling and advice could help someone make a change, even if it is a small one.

Obviously, if you come in and are spurting blood 3 feet every heartbeat or are turning blue because your heart stopped beating or one of your bones is poking out of your flesh, yes, by all means take care of the problem. But the only reason I can see for ER doctors not counseling their patients on health related matters is the fact that most ER doctors and staff are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people coming in. They simply don't have the time to do one on one patient care.

Haggis
Thu, Jun-05-08, 01:54
Personally, I'd want a doctor to speak up. Telling me that it's "consistent with early arthritis" does me no good.

anyway...
Thu, Jun-05-08, 02:58
I find this akin to doctors nagging me about smoking.

Ok, I know it's not the same thing, but follow me here for a sec...

I'm a smoker. I know it's bad for my health. I know it's doing all sorts of damage to me. I know. I know. I know.

I've quit. I restarted. I quit again. Restarted again. Planning to quit yet again.

But every time I go to the doctor, I get nagged to death. I could have a broken wrist from a non-smoking related trauma, and it doesn't matter. As soon as they find out I smoke, they stop whatever they're doing to give me a lecture. Listen guys... fix wrist first. Worry about smoking later. In pain here. Bone poking out. Need cast.

The fact is no amount of doctor's nagging ever made me quit. I had to do it when I was ready to do it. I believe it's the same with losing weight, and one only needs to go to the 'why I decided to lose weight' thread to see that. You just had to hit that point where you're ready, and all a doctor's nagging will do is make you not want to go to the doctor anymore to save yourself the hassle.

Now, if knee pain is caused by weight, then fine, tell me my knee pain is caused by my weight. But having doctors talk to all patients about their weight no matter what is so unnecessary, and I fear it may lead doctors to blame every health problem an obese person has on their weight instead of seeing if there is an actual problem.

Baerdric
Thu, Jun-05-08, 06:59
But sometimes knee pain is caused by something else.

I have had constant lower back pain since I was 9 years old. When I was 13 I started asking people about it, like adults who should have taken me seriously. When I finally got old enough to hire a doctor of my own, they couldn't find a cause. Much later when I started gaining weight, the pain of course, got worse. I mentioned it to another doctor.

"Well, you should lose some weight"

Um, I had it when I was under 100 lbs.

Turns out I have inherited sagittal facets (improperly angled vertebrae wings) which do not properly support the weight of my upper body and causes pain and compression of the discs.

Yes, the 200 lbs I gained makes it worse, but I know I gained 200 lbs. It's not something you just don't notice. But it should have been identified earlier. Now that I know, even though I am fat, I can do some exercises that help relieve it.

jschwab
Thu, Jun-05-08, 09:54
That's the problem with this doctor's idea - the doctor could start explaining everything as being related to weight which frequently happens. I was shocked the day I realized that thin people have health problems, too! Doctors need to pay attention to where people are at - in the case of this woman's knee pain, she needed pain management, some exercises to strengthen the knee and surrounding muscles, maybe some suggestions about exercise. That might get her moving forward.

Janine

Nancy LC
Thu, Jun-05-08, 10:22
I actually think having my doctor's encouragement helped me to quit smoking. It was easy for me to kind of push things to the back of my mind and not really think about them but having someone prod me on it actually did help.

Baerdric
Thu, Jun-05-08, 10:28
Well, my current Doctor's negative comments have helped somewhat, in that I now feel like defying her and losing weight with a high fat diet instead of a starvation diet full of carbs and fiber like she suggested.

rightnow
Thu, Jun-05-08, 10:34
I don't have a doctor. I didn't have insurance until I was 42 so every doctor I saw from 18 to 42 (I saw very few between then) was in the ER except a couple times. $300 to be told, "You have the flue, here's a prescription." Sigh.

I do have a cardiologist, sorta. He's the one that literally wrote me a prescription to The Protein Power Life Plan. I like him. :-)

costello22
Thu, Jun-05-08, 13:38
This story reminds me of one I read sometime ago - in a letter to Ann Landers, I think.

An elderly woman went to a doctor because her shoulder was hurting. The doctor says gently, "That shoulder is 83 years old, you know." "So's the other one," the old lady snaps back, "and it doesn't hurt."

Turns out she had a dislocated shoulder.

renegadiab
Thu, Jun-05-08, 14:02
Well so far the 'preparation' physicians gets mostly results in them helping obese people make the problem worse until that or other related problems kill them off. I'm afraid if physicians get any more "prepared" by medical school (school funded by pharmaceutical and food companies), even more people will die.

As an aside, although I agree a doctor should address any obvious health issues, it is my opinion that nobody more than 40 lbs overweight is unaware that (a) they are fat, or (b) that this is bad for their health. I am not sure how the ER doc fixing my broken wrist, pointing out that I'm way too fat and it's a health danger, is going to help me. And, frankly, if I go to the ER to fix my broken wrist, I really do NOT want to talk to that doctor about every imaginable thing in my past and present. I want him to fix my broken wrist, that is what I am paying way too much for while it takes way too long. If I want counseling on my fatness or my nutrition I will talk to a regular doctor, a nutritionist, or better yet, go look for real information instead.

Their good intentions only make things worse. When I was trying to lose weight on low fat, I resented any mention of weight. I was plagued by insatiable cravings and was on a weight rollercoaster. It was total frustration that eventually lead me to give up on trying to lose weight. I just wanted to scream "do something about the cravings!!!!" Low carb did that for me. Too bad it too a dignosis of type 2 diabetes to get me on the right track.