Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?

[Rf]

I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
very healthy choice.

I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
it safely?

TIA.

[Rf]

RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
> but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not
> a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
> it safely?

I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic web site.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/blood-pressure/HI00053

"Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just because
they're natural. Various herbal supplements can increase blood
pressure or interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure
medications.

Examples

* Bitter orange
* Ephedra (ma-huang)
* Ginseng
* Licorice
* St. John's wort

What to do Check with your doctor before taking any herbal
supplements. You may need to avoid supplements that raise your
blood pressure or interfere with your blood pressure
medications."

Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these herbs
is likely to be the safest?

TIA

[Bob Arnold]

In article <69h923F33b8o0U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
<RF@NoDen.con> wrote:

> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
> but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not
> a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
> it safely?
>
> TIA.

Tyrosine

[Juhana Har]

RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
> but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not
> a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
> it safely?

Rosemary and licorice might work.

alt.folklore.herbs added.

--
Juhana

Ravintoblogini: http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/

[Pramesh Ru]

RF wrote:
> RF wrote:
>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
>> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
>> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
>> them - not a very healthy choice.
>>
>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
>> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they
>> do it safely?
>
>
> I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic web site.
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/blood-pressure/HI00053
>
> "Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just because
> they're natural. Various herbal supplements can increase
> blood pressure or interfere with the effectiveness of blood
> pressure medications.
>
> Examples
>
> * Bitter orange
> * Ephedra (ma-huang)
> * Ginseng
> * Licorice
> * St. John's wort
>
> What to do Check with your doctor before taking any herbal
> supplements. You may need to avoid supplements that raise
> your blood pressure or interfere with your blood pressure
> medications."

Very few doctors have a clue about supplements and just give
a blanket statement to avoid them; very few admit to lacking
the necessary information to make an informed decision. It
is best to do the research yourself, give the product a try
if desired, and then tell your doctor what you're doing.
That requires him to make more of a case against if that is
his position.

> Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these
> herbs is likely to be the safest?
>
> TIA

--

Pramesh Rutaji

p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply

[Billy]

In article <69hu81F326pcmU1@mid.individual.net>, "Juhana
Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote:

RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
> but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not
> a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
> it safely?
Try http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Heart/hypot_herbs-
-hypotension.htm

alt.folklore.herbs added.
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Kevysmom]

Bill I watched the Carlin Video you have attached to your
post, Its GREAT!, Thought you might like this video..

John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to
the Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in
August 2006. Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in
this part John discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the
reasons and background to why we are at war in the Middle East

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D3968544393356669182-
&q=3DJohn%20Per=
kins%20and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=3Den

On May 21, 11:06=A0am, Billy <wildbi...@getthe.net> wrote:
> In article <69hu81F326pc...@mid.individual.net>, =A0"Juhana
> Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> > caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
> > them - not a very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> > raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they
> > do it safely?
>
> Tryhttp://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Heart/hypot_herb-
> s-hypotension..=
.
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> --
>
> Billy Bush Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9KVT-
> fcAyYGg&ref=3Dpatrick=
.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl0aEo59c7zU&feature-
=3Drelated

[Trigonomet]

On May 20, 11:36=A0pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> > caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
> > them - not a very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> > raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they
> > do it safely?
>
> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/

I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though it
might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft physical.

[Billy]

In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.-
googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> > RF wrote:
> > > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt
> > > and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
> > > position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left
> > > to them - not a very healthy choice.
> >
> > > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> > > raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can
> > > they do it safely?
> >
> > Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >
> > alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >
> > --
> > Juhana
> >
> > Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>
> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though it
> might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft physical.

http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm

Safety:

Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention of
sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has constituents that
counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the patient
has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.

It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do
not use if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension
(increases water around heart). Take with boiled milk.

No other information about the safety of this herb is
available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in
combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one herb
with the opposing effect of other. Do not take except under
the supervision of a qualified professional.
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Billy]

In article <aedac301-46da-4ec3-b470-d06ec94bdf01@27g2000hsf.g-
ooglegroups.com>, Kevysmom <bluebunny8@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given
> to the Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA
> in August 2006. Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit
> Man, in this part John discusses, from a hit mans
> perspective, the reasons and background to why we are at war
> in the Middle East
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182-
> &q=John%20Perkins%2 and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en

Thanks
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Rf]

Billy wrote:
> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hs-
> f.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>> RF wrote:
>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt
>>>> and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
>>>> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
>>>> them - not a very healthy choice. I have seen on some
>>>> herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP, so
>>>> there must be some that do, but can they do it safely?
>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>
>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Juhana
>>>
>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though it
>> might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft
>> physical.
>
> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
>
> Safety:
>
> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
> licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention of
> sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has constituents that
> counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the patient
> has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>
> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption.
> Do not use if you are suffering from osteoporosis,
> hypertension (increases water around heart). Take with
> boiled milk.
>
> No other information about the safety of this herb is
> available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in
> combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one herb
> with the opposing effect of other. Do not take except under
> the supervision of a qualified professional.

My thanks to everyone.

OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others are
enough for a start.

Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of the
doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?

[Billy]

In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
<RF@NoDen.con> wrote:

> Billy wrote:
> > In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000-
> > hsf.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
> > <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> >>> RF wrote:
> >>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt
> >>>> and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
> >>>> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left
> >>>> to them - not a very healthy choice. I have seen on
> >>>> some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
> >>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> >>>> safely?
> >>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>
> >>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Juhana
> >>>
> >>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
> >> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though
> >> it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft
> >> physical.
> >
> > http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
> >
> > Safety:
> >
> > Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
> > electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
> > licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention of
> > sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has constituents
> > that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> > patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during
> > pregnancy.
> >
> > It may interfere with the calcium and potassium
> > absorption. Do not use if you are suffering from
> > osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water around heart).
> > Take with boiled milk.
> >
> > No other information about the safety of this herb is
> > available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in
> > combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one
> > herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take except
> > under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>
> My thanks to everyone.
>
> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others
> are enough for a start.
>
> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of the
> doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?

Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Rf]

Billy wrote:
> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000-
>>> hsf.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
>>> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt
>>>>>> and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
>>>>>> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left
>>>>>> to them - not a very healthy choice. I have seen on
>>>>>> some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
>>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>>>> safely?
>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>
>>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though
>>>> it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft
>>>> physical.
>>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
>>>
>>> Safety:
>>>
>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
>>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
>>> licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention of
>>> sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has constituents
>>> that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
>>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during
>>> pregnancy.
>>>
>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium
>>> absorption. Do not use if you are suffering from
>>> osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water around heart).
>>> Take with boiled milk.
>>>
>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is
>>> available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in
>>> combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one
>>> herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take except
>>> under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>> My thanks to everyone.
>>
>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others
>> are enough for a start.
>>
>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of
>> the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave
>> (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>
> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine

I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the pills or
caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.

I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention and
Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like one would get
calcium overload at that rate. They also mentioned black tea
to block the iron but no numbers were given.

It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.

[Billy]

In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
<RF@NoDen.con> wrote:

> Billy wrote:
> > In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> > <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
> >
> >> Billy wrote:
> >>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g20-
> >>> 00hsf.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
> >>> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> RF wrote:
> >>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>>>> salt and caffeine and I know some people who are in
> >>>>>> the same position but cannot use caffeine, so only
> >>>>>> salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice. I
> >>>>>> have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> >>>>>> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can
> >>>>>> they do it safely?
> >>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Juhana
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
> >>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a
> >>>> draft physical.
> >>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204-
> >>> .htm
> >>>
> >>> Safety:
> >>>
> >>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
> >>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
> >>> licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention
> >>> of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> >>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid
> >>> Licorice if the patient has hypertension, kidney disease
> >>> or during pregnancy.
> >>>
> >>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium
> >>> absorption. Do not use if you are suffering from
> >>> osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water around
> >>> heart). Take with boiled milk.
> >>>
> >>> No other information about the safety of this herb is
> >>> available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken
> >>> in combination with others to neutralize the toxicity
> >>> one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take
> >>> except under the supervision of a qualified
> >>> professional.
> >> My thanks to everyone.
> >>
> >> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others
> >> are enough for a start.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of
> >> the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave
> >> (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
> >
> > Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>
> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the pills
> or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>
> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention and
> Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
> block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like one would get
> calcium overload at that rate. They also mentioned black tea
> to block the iron but no numbers were given.
>
> It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.

You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP
and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP
and the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's
effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the
dosage set, I don't need to worry about it for a few months.
You may want to look into growing ginseng.
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Rf]

Billy wrote:
> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
>>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g20-
>>>>> 00hsf.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
>>>>> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine and I know some people who are in
>>>>>>>> the same position but cannot use caffeine, so only
>>>>>>>> salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice. I
>>>>>>>> have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
>>>>>>>> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can
>>>>>>>> they do it safely?
>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a
>>>>>> draft physical.
>>>>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204-
>>>>> .htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Safety:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
>>>>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
>>>>> licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention
>>>>> of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid
>>>>> Licorice if the patient has hypertension, kidney disease
>>>>> or during pregnancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium
>>>>> absorption. Do not use if you are suffering from
>>>>> osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water around
>>>>> heart). Take with boiled milk.
>>>>>
>>>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is
>>>>> available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken
>>>>> in combination with others to neutralize the toxicity
>>>>> one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take
>>>>> except under the supervision of a qualified
>>>>> professional.
>>>> My thanks to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others
>>>> are enough for a start.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of
>>>> the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave
>>>> (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the pills
>> or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>>
>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention and
>> Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate
>> to block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like one would
>> get calcium overload at that rate. They also mentioned
>> black tea to block the iron but no numbers were given.
>>
>> It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.
>
> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your
> BP and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my
> BP and the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's
> effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have
> the dosage set, I don't need to worry about it for a few
> months. You may want to look into growing ginseng.

Thanks Billy, I sure will.

[Citizen Ji]

On May 20, 8:36 pm, RF <R...@NoDen.con> wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position
> but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not
> a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do
> it safely?
>
> TIA.

WHY is your blood pressure low?

Citizen Jimserac

[Rf]

Citizen Jimserac wrote:
> On May 20, 8:36 pm, RF <R...@NoDen.con> wrote:
>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and
>> caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
>> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
>> them - not a very healthy choice.
>>
>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
>> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they
>> do it safely?
>>
>> TIA.
>
> WHY is your blood pressure low?
>
> Citizen Jimserac

Does anyone know why their BP is whatever it is? Some of my
siblings have high BP and others have low. I guess it maybe
the genes. I have been a vegetarian (no fish, no meat) for
almost 40 years and I also get lots of exercise. I take no
drugs regularly and my doctor (A Board Certified Internist)
says that I am in excellent condition, for 71. My vital organs
have never given me any trouble.

[Citizen Ji]

On May 26, 3:20 am, RF <R...@NoDen.con> wrote:
> Citizen Jimserac wrote:
> > On May 20, 8:36 pm, RF <R...@NoDen.con> wrote:
> >> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt
> >> and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same
> >> position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to
> >> them - not a very healthy choice.
>
> >> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may
> >> raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they
> >> do it safely?
>
> >> TIA.
>
> > WHY is your blood pressure low?
>
> > Citizen Jimserac
>
> Does anyone know why their BP is whatever it is? Some of my
> siblings have high BP and others have low. I guess it maybe
> the genes. I have been a vegetarian (no fish, no meat) for
> almost 40 years and I also get lots of exercise. I take no
> drugs regularly and my doctor (A Board Certified Internist)
> says that I am in excellent condition, for 71. My vital
> organs have never given me any trouble.

There are many many causes.

A good physical exam from an MD and some tests might tell.

Citizen Jimserac

[Rf]

RF wrote:
> Billy wrote:
>> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>>
>>> Billy wrote:
>>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
>>>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2-
>>>>>> 000hsf.googlegroups.com>, "trigonometry1972@gmail.com
>>>>>> |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine and I know some people who are in
>>>>>>>>> the same position but cannot use caffeine, so only
>>>>>>>>> salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice. I
>>>>>>>>> have seen on some herbal bottles that the product
>>>>>>>>> may raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but
>>>>>>>>> can they do it safely?
>>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a
>>>>>>> draft physical.
>>>>>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.-
>>>>>> htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Safety:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
>>>>>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of
>>>>>> licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention
>>>>>> of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>>>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid
>>>>>> Licorice if the patient has hypertension, kidney
>>>>>> disease or during pregnancy. It may interfere with the
>>>>>> calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use if you are
>>>>>> suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases
>>>>>> water around heart). Take with boiled milk. No other
>>>>>> information about the safety of this herb is available.
>>>>>> Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in
>>>>>> combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one
>>>>>> herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take
>>>>>> except under the supervision of a qualified
>>>>>> professional.
>>>>> My thanks to everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>>>>> others are enough for a start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of
>>>>> the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave
>>>>> (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the
>>> pills or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>>>
>>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention and
>>> Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate
>>> to block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like one would
>>> get calcium overload at that rate. They also mentioned
>>> black tea to block the iron but no numbers were given.
>>>
>>> It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.
>>
>> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your
>> BP and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my
>> BP and the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating
>> it's effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I
>> have the dosage set, I don't need to worry about it for a
>> few months. You may want to look into growing ginseng.
>
> Thanks Billy, I sure will.

According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginseng it takes 4
or 6 years to grow it.

[Billy]

In article <69vvm6F30efbnU1@mid.individual.net>, RF
<RF@NoDen.con> wrote:

> RF wrote:
> > Billy wrote:
> >> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> >> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Billy wrote:
> >>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> >>>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Billy wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76-
> >>>>>> g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
> >>>>>> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> RF wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine and I know some people who are
> >>>>>>>>> in the same position but cannot use caffeine, so
> >>>>>>>>> only salt is left to them - not a very healthy
> >>>>>>>>> choice. I have seen on some herbal bottles that
> >>>>>>>>> the product may raise the BP, so there must be
> >>>>>>>>> some that do, but can they do it safely?
> >>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Juhana
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk
> >>>>>>> a draft physical.
> >>>>>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h20-
> >>>>>> 4.htm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Safety:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
> >>>>>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses
> >>>>>> of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing
> >>>>>> retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb
> >>>>>> has constituents that counter this but it is best to
> >>>>>> avoid Licorice if the patient has hypertension,
> >>>>>> kidney disease or during pregnancy. It may interfere
> >>>>>> with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> >>>>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension
> >>>>>> (increases water around heart). Take with boiled
> >>>>>> milk. No other information about the safety of this
> >>>>>> herb is available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are
> >>>>>> often taken in combination with others to neutralize
> >>>>>> the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of
> >>>>>> other. Do not take except under the supervision of a
> >>>>>> qualified professional.
> >>>>> My thanks to everyone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
> >>>>> others are enough for a start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size
> >>>>> of the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I
> >>>>> gave (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
> >>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
> >>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the
> >>> pills or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.
> >>>
> >>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention
> >>> and Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium
> >>> citrate to block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like
> >>> one would get calcium overload at that rate. They also
> >>> mentioned black tea to block the iron but no numbers
> >>> were given.
> >>>
> >>> It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.
> >>
> >> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise
> >> your BP and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to
> >> lower my BP and the cuff is the only way I have of
> >> guesstimating it's effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my
> >> own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't need to worry
> >> about it for a few months. You may want to look into
> >> growing ginseng.
> >
> > Thanks Billy, I sure will.
>
> According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginseng it takes
> 4 or 6 years to grow it.

What? You goin' some place?

Some other plants for you to look at to raise blood pressure.

Liquorice
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Glycyrrhiza+glabra

Horse Chestnut (Buckeye) http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.-
php?Aesculus+hippocastanum

or any of the other plants on http://www.pfaf.org/database/se-
arch_use.php?K%5B%5D=Vasoconstrictor

with vasocostrictor being the key element in the search.

Bonne chance,
--

Billy Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related

[Rf]

Billy wrote:
> In article <69vvm6F30efbnU1@mid.individual.net>, RF
> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>
>> RF wrote:
>>> Billy wrote:
>>>> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
>>>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual.net>, RF
>>>>>> <RF@NoDen.con> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76-
>>>>>>>> g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |"
>>>>>>>> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine and I know some people who are
>>>>>>>>>>> in the same position but cannot use caffeine, so
>>>>>>>>>>> only salt is left to them - not a very healthy
>>>>>>>>>>> choice. I have seen on some herbal bottles that
>>>>>>>>>>> the product may raise the BP, so there must be
>>>>>>>>>>> some that do, but can they do it safely?
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk
>>>>>>>>> a draft physical.
>>>>>>>> http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h20-
>>>>>>>> 4.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Safety:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting
>>>>>>>> electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses
>>>>>>>> of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing
>>>>>>>> retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb
>>>>>>>> has constituents that counter this but it is best to
>>>>>>>> avoid Licorice if the patient has hypertension,
>>>>>>>> kidney disease or during pregnancy. It may interfere
>>>>>>>> with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
>>>>>>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension
>>>>>>>> (increases water around heart). Take with boiled
>>>>>>>> milk. No other information about the safety of this
>>>>>>>> herb is available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are
>>>>>>>> often taken in combination with others to neutralize
>>>>>>>> the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of
>>>>>>>> other. Do not take except under the supervision of a
>>>>>>>> qualified professional.
>>>>>>> My thanks to everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>>>>>>> others are enough for a start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the size
>>>>>>> of the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I
>>>>>>> gave (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>>>>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>>>>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the
>>>>> pills or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention
>>>>> and Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium
>>>>> citrate to block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like
>>>>> one would get calcium overload at that rate. They also
>>>>> mentioned black tea to block the iron but no numbers
>>>>> were given.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would appear that this work is still in its infancy.
>>>> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise
>>>> your BP and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to
>>>> lower my BP and the cuff is the only way I have of
>>>> guesstimating it's effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my
>>>> own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't need to worry
>>>> about it for a few months. You may want to look into
>>>> growing ginseng.
>>> Thanks Billy, I sure will.
>> According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginseng it takes
>> 4 or 6 years to grow it.
>
> What? You goin' some place?

I need the high BP to go "some place." ;-)

> Some other plants for you to look at to raise blood
> pressure.
>
> Liquorice
> http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Glycyrrhiza+glabra

I had this in my first list but read some negative things
about it and dropped
it. The LEF Disease Prevention and Treatment Expanded 4th
Edition has lots or good things to say about it, so I'm
reconsidering.

> Horse Chestnut (Buckeye) http://www.pfaf.org/database/plant-
> s.php?Aesculus+hippocastanum

I already take that for leg veins. According to one report I
read, taking it was the equivalent to using elastic stockings
when flying.

> or any of the other plants on http://www.pfaf.org/database/-
> search_use.php?K%5B%5D=Vasoconstrictor
>
> with vasocostrictor being the key element in the search.

Will check it out. Thanks for the info.

> Bonne chance,

Merci!