Nipping away at T2 Diabetes

[Baerdric]

Is this (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4642912&page=1) what they mean by "cutting your carbs"?
!8-O

[j_the_p]

Wow. Just...wow! The world gets crazier every day. Read the comments on the article. :roll:

[vavcon]

OMG, that's just lovely. Cut out part of your body to reduce insulin secretion? Reminds me of the psych experiment with the rat and the hypothalmus where the poor guy about ate himself to bursting. WHY can't the medical community accept that healthy eating (by this I mean low carb of course) is better than surgery????
/rant
Chris

[j_the_p]

WHY can't the medical community accept that healthy eating (by this I mean low carb of course) is better than surgery????


<whispering> ...because that would mean less money in thier pockets.

[aj_cohn]

It would also mean a severe loss of face, and immediately following that, a severe loss of public trust. That's worth more than money to them.

[LessLiz]

No mention is made here of what that part of the intestines do, what nutrients are absorbed there and only there. I know the media rarely bothers to tell the whole story, but this is a blatant disregard for people's health when a story like this is written without even *mentioning* that issue.

These people are being set up for the same lifelong malabsorption problems as those found in gastric bypass patients, who also lose that same section of intestines. Type II diabetes has been found to reverse in many but not all GB patients.

It is so freaking obvious that the "diabetes epidemic" is caused by diet. There can be no other explanation. It is equally freaking obvious that the standard ADA diet does not address the problem. I doubt the "low carb alternative" endorsed by the ADA solves it either, because if that solved the problem then Zone would, too.

Don't mind me though, I am obviously dumber than a box of rocks.

[KarenJ]

Wow. Just...wow! The world gets crazier every day. Read the comments on the article. :roll:

Those comments were so sad. People losing their legs, leaving their email addresses and names. Such desperation.
The comment left by "Madnicla" was right on. Lose the carbs.

[Baerdric]

No mention is made here of what that part of the intestines doI first heard it on FoxNews.com and the Dr they interviewed admitted that they don't know why it works, that they found it by accident while doing gastric bypasses or something.

Don't mind me though, I am obviously dumber than a box of rocks.I wish I knew more boxes of rocks like you.

[Angeline]

Those comments were so sad. People losing their legs, leaving their email addresses and names. Such desperation.
The comment left by "Madnicla" was right on. Lose the carbs.

I emailed the woman, Ruth. She left her email. I suggested she looks at Dr. Bernstein book and the excellent blog http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/

Hopefully she will listen.

[M Levac]

Look at it this way, it makes the choice really simple from now on.

Cut out your intestine.
or
Cut out carbohydrates.

[serrelind]

See the addictive power of carbs when people would rather cut out their intestines than to cut out carbs.

[teaser]

One thing the intestines do is put out moderating hormones called "incretins" that help the pancreas see how much sugar and protein is heading it's way. Maybe if it (the small intestine) misfires badly enough, some people might be better off without it. The cynical part of me suggests that this is a pretty good way to drum up business for a surgeon who already does the procedure for purposes of sheer weight loss. I bet traditional Inuit's intestines didn't send false signals to their pancreases.

[LessLiz]

I don't think it has one damned thing to do with carb addiction. Pardon my language, but this really burns me up. It has *everything* to do with the absolutely stupid stance the ADA and nutrition/medical communities has taken on diet.

If as a Type II diabetic, I could break a lifelong carb addiction in 2 weeks and get normal blood glucose levels following excessively high levels, then at least 90% of the other type II diabetics can as well. Someone needs to tell them how. That's all. I'm *not* special, just lucky to have had a doctor who was more knowledgeable than most.

[Angeline]

It's all in the presentation isn't it. The ADA stance is, well here is this diet but it's very hard, and most people fail at it and you'll have to give up all your favorite foods. Beside we think that it might give you a heart attack and we are convinced it's not healthy. However <hands over a bottle of pills> try this, it might help.

What will the average person say? Especially when someone feels forced to give up all the food they love? Often just the idea of giving something up is worse than the giving up itself.

How about this. Try this diet. A lot of people adapt to it very quickly. You'll eat a varied and satisfying diet. You'll never go hungry. Your blood sugar will normalize and your cholesterol levels will be perfect. You'll feel great or at least beter. You will have less chances of suffering complications. You might be able to discontinue or cut down on your medication. Yes it will be hard at first, but you stand to gain a great deal.

[Baerdric]

It has *everything* to do with the absolutely stupid stance the ADA.Here comes my paranoid streak again...

What would the ADA do if a hefty (no pun intended) portion of their victim-base just up and disappeared? If, in two weeks 90% of all T2s didn't need their association anymore? Half of their funding would be gone!

When I was first diagnosed I had to go in for "diet counciling". I was told by some ADA dietitian that I had to eat (now don't quote me on this, I was busy laughing so I may have heard it wrong) ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY GRAMS OF CARBS PER MEAL!

When I was finally able to gasp for breath, I told her that this would spike me and she insisted it would not. I politely asked her to tell that to my BG Meter and walked out.

She was so mad that the Hospital called me during dinner and told me that I had to come back and take the class over... or else. <insert emoticon of me staring at the phone in disbelief before hanging up>

And people actually think they want the government in control of their medicine?

This was just so they could have me registered as having been "helped" so they could apply for funds. Imagine how bad it might get if they had the force of law behind them.

[Wyvrn]

Please... the ADA is not "stupid". It performs its function very well - promoting the criminally profitable disease maintenance standard for diabetes "care". If you have any doubts about that please go check out their annual report - scroll down to page 22 or so, Corporate Recognition program and see just who the major corporate sponsors are. http://www.diabetes.org/uedocuments/ADA_AnnualReport2005.pdf

[Baerdric]

see just who the major corporate sponsors are. http://www.diabetes.org/uedocuments/ADA_AnnualReport2005.pdfAhhhh ahhh ahhh!

<imagine me running around in circles pulling out my hair>

I can't believe that they call it "The BANTING Circle".

Kraft foods! GlaxoSmithkline? Cadbury's for God's sake? Drug companines and carbohydrate companies!

See, I'm the kind of guy who shouldn't read stuff like this, it makes me want to hoard toilet paper and &mmuniti0n.
:daze:

[Frogbreath]

So, what did you do? I'm very curious because I run amuck with my HMO all the time.

[Wifezilla]

Ignoring carb's role in diabetes is like trying to pretend there isn't a giant pink elephant in the room when there obviously is.

[Baerdric]

So, what did you do? I stopped going to doctors. Took me a few years to get over it and now I have a new doctor who may not be so <censored>. I'm reserving judgment...

I have respect for people who want to earn money by providing a service at market prices, but if I suspect I'm getting hoodwinked, I tend to get grumpy.

[LessLiz]

I'm ready to try the guess the <censored> game. :devil:

[Baerdric]

I'm ready to try the guess the <censored> game. :devil:Heh... There is not a specific word or phrase there, but if there were, it would require superhuman flexibility and determination to demonstrate. As well as a Dr's knowledge of anatomy and some cables and winches...

Back on subject, don't I remember that some of the gastric bypasses made it so you could no longer digest fat? I don't know if that means anything to the insulin production, but I suspect it would play heck with the triglycerides. I imagine a person starving to death on a carb only diet with perfect A1C numbers.

[renegadiab]

It would also mean a severe loss of face, and immediately following that, a severe loss of public trust. That's worth more than money to them.

They'd have to admit that the "crazy, unhealthy" low carb diet is effective and everyone "knows" you need your carbs. :) :)

[teaser]

I like the Banting Circle Honour Roll, for members who have donated more than fifty thousand to research. Note that you have to donate at least five hundred thousand a year to ADA general funds to be in the Banting Circle. Is this one of Dante's circles or what?

[Baerdric]

I like the Banting Circle Honour RollJust for those who don't know, "Banting" was the guy who wrote that leaflet like two hundred years ago, advocating a high fat, low carb diet. The word passed into the language as another word for "dieting", but lost it's scientific basis.

[Kansas Deb]

The sad truth is that some people refuse to give up their carbs even to save their lives. I don't know how many times I have heard "I don't know what carbs are." Which translates "I don't want to know what carbs are". "I can't give up my bread and potatoes and corn!" I get so frustrated with that mentality!

There it is, the reason something as horrific as cutting out part of the intestine to control diabetes can gain credibility.

[kallyn]

The sad truth is that some people refuse to give up their carbs even to save their lives. I don't know how many times I have heard "I don't know what carbs are." Which translates "I don't want to know what carbs are". "I can't give up my bread and potatoes and corn!" I get so frustrated with that mentality!

There it is, the reason something as horrific as cutting out part of the intestine to control diabetes can gain credibility.

It's sadly true. I have a relative suffering with Crohn's disease. I told him I had read about gluten-free diets really helping people with Crohn's. He said, "does that mean I'd have to give up bread and pasta? I'd rather die." :help:

[Nancy LC]

Ask if he'd rather live a long, painful life with part of his intestines missing and rerouted into a sack. Dying is easy, it's the living that is hard.

[Nancy LC]

I don't think it has one damned thing to do with carb addiction. Pardon my language, but this really burns me up. It has *everything* to do with the absolutely stupid stance the ADA and nutrition/medical communities has taken on diet.
I do. There are people with life threatening celiac disease that can't stick to the diet. They're even willing to endanger any children they're carrying. Celiac disease raises the possibility of miscarriage a huge amount and because you're not absorbing nutrition from your food, probably even lots of birth defects and other issues.

I don't know that it is just carbs, I think gluten is probably hugely addicting to some people. Kind of make sense since it breaks down into a protein that binds to opioid receptors.

[waywardsis]

I think gluten is probably hugely addicting to some people. Yup. Combine an opiate reaction with a blood sugar reaction - holy crap.

Just for those who don't know, "Banting" was the guy who wrote that leaflet like two hundred years ago, advocating a high fat, low carb diet. Dr. Frederick Banting was one of the discoverers of insulin - I imagine that's who they're referring to. Ironic, eh. According to Taubes, that Banting and our Banting were actually distant relatives.

I have a friend with Crohn's too, and she won't do anything to change her diet, no matter what research etc I've passed along. She just spent a few days in the hospital with a tube down her nose, to suck out the contents of her stomach. She smuggled in M&M's. She has asked me to help her with a gluten-free diet, and I said I would - as soon as she's ready to get started. So far, nuttin'.

[LessLiz]

There are people with life threatening celiac disease that can't stick to the diet.But if it were simply carb addiction driving celiacs they could stick on a celiac diet, right? There are a heckuva lot of carb choices celiacs can make, enough to provide a carb fix to an addict.

Again, when most people do not know that a true LC diet can solve their diabetes problems I don't see how anyone can point and say "they're not following LC because they are addicted to carbs." They are not following LC first and foremost because they've been told its unhealthy.

[Baerdric]

Dr. Frederick Banting was one of the discoverers of insulin - I imagine that's who they're referring to. Ironic, eh. According to Taubes, that Banting and our Banting were actually distant relatives.OK, that's ironic enough to be cool.

I just got GCBC and haven't really gotten very far in it yet. I read it in bed and I seem to fall asleep quite easily lately.