Type 3 Sugar Diabetes

[Korban]

Hello,
I have been diagnosed with type 2 sugar diabetes. How can I be sure that I don't have type 3 instead?

And if I do have type 3, which is 1 more than type 2, what should I do?


Have a nice weekend! Boards seem kinda empty this weekend...

[LisaAC]

Wow I've never heard of type 3, only types one and two.

[Wifezilla]

Scientists say they may have discovered a previously unknown form of diabetes, after finding the brain produces insulin as well as the pancreas.

Unlike other types of diabetes, the form - dubbed type 3 by the US Brown Medical School team - is not thought to affect blood sugar.

Type 3 affects brain insulin levels, and appears to be linked with Alzheimer's disease.


Type 1 and type 2 diabetes occur when the body is unable to produce or use insulin from the pancreas.

The so-called 'type 3' diabetes refers to lower than normal levels of newly discovered brain insulin, which appears to be associated with Alzheimer's disease in some way.

Scientists have known for some time that people with diabetes have an increased risk of Alzheimer's disease - by up to 65%.

They have also discovered that many type 2 diabetics have deposits of a protein in their pancreas which is similar to the protein deposits found in the brain tissue of people with Alzheimer's disease.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315609.stm

[Korban]

You talking to me?... What are we talking about anyway?

[LisaAC]

Well, since I'd never heard of type 3, I think that's why wifezilla posted the info there. I also got curious after you posted about the type 3 and did some googling.

This topic of type 3 is all new to me. Unfortunately, I've no clue how to tell if you have type 3 or not. Sorry.

[VictoriaGB]

Believe it or not, this is actually old news.

I don't think you need to worry about type 3, for a start it doesn't affect your blood sugar unlike diabetes as we know it, types 1 and 2. It's related to your brain rather than your pancreas, and to my knowledge it doesn't develop from types 1 or 2 either. IMO the name "type 3 diabetes" is misleading and you should take care not to think of it in terms of blood glucose and pancreas insulin.

If you do have concerns the best person you can speak to is your GP. If you're still not satisfied then ask for a referral to a specialist :)

[Korban]

What if I really think I have type 4, which is 2 more than type 2? Does that mean I can start my own forum?

[VictoriaGB]

Are the boards really that empty? :D

[CarolynC]

When someone has both type 1 and type 2 diabetes, that is also sometimes called type 3. See:

http://www.lifescript.com/channels/healthy_living/health_conditions/the_double_whammy_what_is_type_3_diabetes.asp

[VictoriaGB]

When someone has both type 1 and type 2 diabetes, that is also sometimes called type 3. See:

http://www.lifescript.com/channels/healthy_living/health_conditions/the_double_whammy_what_is_type_3_diabetes.asp

Interesting. I haven't seen this referred to as type 3 but thinking about it, a type 1 diabetic patient can develop insulin resistance just like the next person and so suffer from both type 1 diabetes and insulin resistance.

Personally I wouldn't class this as type 3, I'd class it as having both type 1 and insulin resistance :cool:

Luckily my husband (type 1 diabetic) has always been a healthy weight and maintained a healthy diet and, to our knowledge, isn't in danger of developing a serious insulin resistance.

[RobLL]

Someplace I posted an article from the NYT regarding the finding that bone marrow, fat, the gut, and the brain are significantly involved in the signalling process regarding glucose metabolism, previously it was thought that the liver and the pancreas were the main communicators. The researcher added, 'we knew diabetes was complicated, but now it really is complicated' (paraphrase)

[eddiemcm]

What about type BS diabetes?
Eddie

[VictoriaGB]

What about type BS diabetes?
Eddie
Sums it up :D

From what I can gather, this spawned with the discovery of 'brain insulin'. I'm not surprised to see the term slapped on a number of possible conditions now.

But I'm no expert!

[mstares]

Ok..I had left this window open for way too long and missed all the replies so I'm editing out my questions which have now been answered!

Margaret

[Korban]

Hmm BS Diabetes Type Forum for Us... I would post there.

[VictoriaGB]

Are you drunk or are you always like this? :lol:





No offense :eek:

[Korban]

Well actually, just kinda bored... /sigh - and thanks for cheering me up :) ... I mean I am watching a golf tournament atm... The Masters... not too much excitement in golf.

What I find interesting is that there actually is a type 3 diabetes per some definition... so I learned something as well.

[Suzee Q]

What if I really think I have type 4, which is 2 more than type 2? Does that mean I can start my own forum?
What about type BS diabetes?
Eddie
Hmmmm! Me-thinks perhaps the forum regulars are trying to answer the questions seriously while Korban and Eddie may be making some "tongue-in-cheek" comments about the different types of diabetes.

The disease sometimes can be easily controlled, but can also be very serious - my Type 1 daughter needed a kidney transplant after 34 yrs as a diabetic and now is legally blind as well as having gastroperesis which means her digestive system is all messed up and she can have bouts of vomiting and/or diarreah at any moment in time....not very pleasant outcomes just from being diabetic.

On the other hand just having been diagnosed as Type 2 myself, I probably have a much brighter outlook. I'll lose some weight, stay on my diet, take whatever meds my Dr. prescribes and live happily ever after..... :agree: ...NOT!

[Korban]

...my Type 1 daughter needed a kidney transplant after 34 yrs as a diabetic and now is legally blind as well as having gastroperesis which means her digestive system is all messed up and she can have bouts of vomiting and/or diarreah at any moment in time....not very pleasant outcomes just from being diabetic.

On the other hand just having been diagnosed as Type 2 myself, I probably have a much brighter outlook. I'll lose some weight, stay on my diet, take whatever meds my Dr. prescribes and live happily ever after..... :agree: ...NOT!

Hi Suzee,
My heart goes out to your daughter and to you. I hope that you will stick around and take what you can use here and leave the rest... type 3 diabetes, as in my original post anyway, was a lark and something we can all leave behind... just passing a Saturday afternoon with the help of the group here. You definitely have a much brighter outlook if you will take the bull by the horns. There is a ton of wisdom, experience and hope here. I hope you will keep coming back.

Warm Regards,
/smile

[Rose1942]

On reading this thread, I am surprised that no one has brought up the fact that there are in fact different types of diabetes, maybe Jenny's explanation of LADA and MODY will clear some of this up.
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/spindex.php

[Nancy LC]

I thought the combination of Type 1 and Type 2 was called Type 1.5 and that Type 3 was the new term for the metabolic condition that is linked to Alzheimer's (Brain metabolism).

Very confusing.

[Korban]

I thought the combination of Type 1 and Type 2 was called Type 1.5 and that Type 3 was the new term for the metabolic condition that is linked to Alzheimer's (Brain metabolism).

Very confusing.

Apparently, there really is a Type 3 and it is associated with the brain and/or Alzheimer's (see third post in the thread). I had no clue that type 3 existed at the time and was just trying to see if anyone was out there... there hadn't been any posts all day...

Boy, was I surprised at the response it generated... My Bad...

/smile

[CarolynC]

There's even a proposed Type 4 diabetes, which involves elevated insulin, low blood sugar, and chronic pain. See:

http://www.type4diabetes.com/type_4_diabetes/2006/11/index.html

[Nancy LC]

Apparently, there really is a Type 3 and it is associated with the brain and/or Alzheimer's (see third post in the thread). I had no clue that type 3 existed at the time and was just trying to see if anyone was out there... there hadn't been any posts all day...

Boy, was I surprised at the response it generated... My Bad...

/smile
I think there's a saying that goes something like... "Idle hands are the devil's play things". :devil:

[VictoriaGB]

There's even a proposed Type 4 diabetes, which involves elevated insulin, low blood sugar, and chronic pain. See:

http://www.type4diabetes.com/type_4_diabetes/2006/11/index.html
This "type 4" seems very much like my condition. I produce too much insulin in response to carbohydrates and suffer low blood sugar (2.4 and under) as a result. I'm not surprised someone has slapped with the "type 4" label, but to my knowledge "type 4" is nothing official. I've also seen it referred to as "reactive hypoglycemia", and "carbohydrate sensitivity". It is 'related' to diabetes but I completely disagree with it being called type 4, it's just not diabetes. Granted if left untreated you're at risk of becoming insulin resistant type 2 onset.

It's also important not to get confused with insulinoma when talking in terms of excess insulin.

[Cajunboy47]

Different Types of Diabetes

DM (Diabetes Mellitus) – Type I
DM - Type II
DM - Type 1.5 (aka LADA - Latent Autoimmune Diabetes of Adults)
DM - Type 3 (describe a defect in insulin levels in the brain, aka “double diabetes)
DM - Gestational Diabetes – Generally self healing and mostly temporary during pregnancy
DM - Malnutrition
DM - Hormonal Imbalance
DM - Pancreas Related
DM - Liver Related
DM - External Factors (toxins consumed, long term antibiotic use, chemical exposure, etc.)
Diabetes Insipidus - (pituitary gland or hypothalamus of the brain functions abnormally)
Pre-Diabetes – A serious condition that leads to Type II if not treated properly

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My Doctor says I have type 2 caused by chemical exposure, because I have the same symptoms as a type 2, but am I type 2 or not??? go figure! :)

[eddiemcm]

The only internet reference I found on "type 3 diabetes"
describes a condition where brain insulin is too low-possible
link to Alzeimers disease.Has nothing to do with insulin levels
in blood.
Live and learn
Eddie

[Cajunboy47]

Reference: http://www.diabetes.org/other-types.jsp

"Type 3 diabetes" has recently been used to describe a defect in insulin levels in the brain that may be linked to Alzheimer's disease. Type 3 diabetes has also been used to describe the fact that some people with type 1 diabetes become insulin resistant over time, which is usually associated with type 2 diabetes. These patients may benefit from adding an oral medication that improves insulin sensitivity to their regular insulin treatment.

Because these are no standard definitions for these terms, they are sometimes used to describe other conditions. Some people have also used "type 3 diabetes" to describe someone with type 1 diabetes who also shows signs of increased insulin resistance, which is the hallmark of type 2 diabetes. Others have also called this "double diabetes." Some physicians believe that these patients may benefit from insulin-sensitizing drugs, which usually are not given to patients with type 1 diabetes.