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[Marc Verha]

The whole Savanna Fantasy is based on this:
- ostrich shells found near hominid remains,
- waterside butchering of bovids 2.5 Ma,
- a few savanna people today running after kudus.

:-DDDDDD

[Lee Olsen]

On Apr 1, 3:12=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> The whole Savanna Fantasy is based on this:
> - ostrich shells found near hominid remains,
> - waterside butchering of bovids 2.5 Ma,
> - a few savanna people today running after kudus.
>

The whole AAT is based on finding new species like
semi-aquatic mountain beavers and eating algae.

TREE 2002 Page 213-14: "... capybaras Hydrochoerus
hydrochaeris and mountain-beavers Aplodontia rufa [24]. Both
these semi-aquatic rodents feed mainly on riverside herbs,
grasses and the bark of young trees."

:-DDDDDD

[claudiusde]

On Apr 1, 3:12=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> The whole Savanna Fantasy is based on this:
> - ostrich shells found near hominid remains,
> - waterside butchering of bovids 2.5 Ma,
> - a few savanna people today running after kudus.
>
> :-DDDDDD

Marc, the people that present these dimwitted notions don't
actually believe them. They just don't have anything else.

Likewise with your own dimwitted scenario. You don't actually
believe that hominids actually became aquatic. Not literally.
Just like Lee and Gerrit with their dimwitted notions of
long-distance walking/ hunting you don't actually believe that
our earliest chimpanzee-like hominid acestors actually swam or
even waded regularly. The notion is so plainly absurd that you
are very careful to never enunciate it as *the* scenario of
the transition from ape to hominids. You know full well that
these earliest hominids (A'pith) resided in treed habitat in
an environment that was dictated by a monsoonal climate (dry
season, wet season). And you know full well that it is in such
an environment that bipedalism first emerged.

So snap out of it, you dumbass. You're not fooling anybody.
Nor is Lee or Gerrit.

Vagueness does not a hypothesis make.

[Lee Olsen]

On Apr 2, 11:46=A0am, claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>
> So snap out of it, you dumbass. =A0You're not fooling
> anybody. =A0Nor is Lee or Gerrit.
>
> Vagueness does not a hypothesis make.

Says one of the most illiterate people posting on the
net today:

1 Nobody lived on the savanna until the advent of jeeps and
guns. 2 Lions evolved from saber-tooth cats. 3 Apiths never
ventured more than 50/100 yds away from a tree. 4 Climate
change is not happening presently. 5 Agriculture probably
stretches back hundreds of thousand if not millions of years.
6 Genetic drift is a pseudo-scientific notion. 7 Spears are
useless against hyena and lions.
8 ..then what purpose do the stone weapons (spears, bow and
arrow) serve that show up in the fossil record starting
about 2.5 mya?
9. Then you should stop;pissing into it. 10 Speak for
yourself. I see just fine at night.
10. Uh, er. These artifacts don't come with notes attached to
them that indicate how they were actually used.
11. Why we see stasis in tool advancement up until a few
thousand years ago.
12. So Paul, now that you've, finally, come to accept the
fact that early hominids--both A'pith and HE--resided in
treed habitat

Message-ID: <376ED09C.69A21...@thegrid.net>#1/1 Niccolo
Caldararo: " It is embarrassing to you (or should be) for you
to continually make statements which most of us know are
unsupported by the data."

Dan Barnes: "..a number of people have suggested that the best
thing you can do is do substantial background reading, reframe
your arguement and come back again."

Greg Laden: "Read the stuff. If you have a vague memory of it,
that is not good enough." "Hit the books, kid!" Su Solomon: "I
did take the trouble to read your five thousand four hundred
words of your latest manifesto. From my reading of this, I
gathered that in the intevening 11 months you have not
appeared to have read any of the comments or advice that were
given to you last time you posted an extermely similiar
'unsubstantiated idea re evolution'. If you had taken onboard
any of the advised literature that was given at that time,
then if is not evident in this latest of postings."

[Marc Verha]

>> The whole Savanna Fantasy is based on this:
>> - ostrich shells found near hominid remains,
>> - waterside butchering of bovids 2.5 Ma,
>> - a few savanna people today running after kudus.

> The whole AAT is based on finding new species like
> semi-aquatic mountain beavers and eating algae.

:-D

What don't you inform a little bit, my little boy, before
opening your big mouth?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT Description:
* Human evolution based on comparative anatomy & physiology.
* Comparative & fossil information on human & ape evolution.
* Waterside diaspora of Homo after Homo & Pan split ~5 Ma.

AAT:
* Aquatic Ape Theory of human evolution (original term
E.Morgan 1982)
* Aquarboreal Apes Theory of Mio-Pliocene apes (aqua=water,
arbor=tree)
* Amphibious Ancestors Theory of Plio-Pleistocene Homo (AAT
strict sense)

AAT s.s. is based on the behavior/anatomy/physiology/DNA of
living humans compared to chimps & other living animals.

Collection of waterside foods (eg, fruits & nuts, turtle &
bird eggs, shell/crayfish, water(side)plants, drowned
herbivores, stranded whales etc.) explains unique Homo traits
(not seen in apes & australopiths) better than dwelling in
forests or dry plains: huge brain, slow-diving skills, breath
control, vocality, small mouth+chewing muscles, tongue bone
descent, longer airway, projecting nose, poor sense of smell,
handiness & tool use, late puberty, long legs, alined body,
poor climbing, flat feet, fur loss, fatness, profuse sweating,
high needs of water, sodium, iodine, poly-unsat.fatty acids
(DHA), etc. All these features are typically seen in different
combinations in waterside & (semi)aquatic animals, but
strikingly absent in savanna dwelling mammals.

Homo & Pan separated ~6­4 Ma. Homo populations dispersed along
lakes/shores/rivers in savannas & elsewhere, eg, crossed 18 km
sea to reach Flores 0.8 Ma. Homo tools/fossils 2.5­0.1 Ma are
found near Rift valley lakes & even (sea level fluctuations
hindered fossilisation) Indian Ocean & African coasts, often
amid seashells (Mojokerto, Dungo V Baia Farta, Terra Amata,
Table Bay, Eritrea etc.).

* Max Westenhöfer 1942. Der Eigenweg des Menschen. Mannstaede
* Alister Hardy 1960. Was Man more aquatic in the past? NS
7:624
* Maggie Roede etc.1991. The Aquatic Ape: Fact or
Fiction? Souvenir
* Elaine Morgan 1997. The Aquatic Ape Hypothesis.
Souvenir London
* Marc Verhaegen etc.2002. Aquarboreal ancestors? TREE 17:212
* Stephen Cunnane 2005. Survival of the Fattest. World
Scientific
* Phillip Tobias
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm

Marc verhaegen

http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/Symposium.html
http://users.ugent.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm

[claudiusde]

On Apr 2, 12:28=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> >> The whole Savanna Fantasy is based on this:
> >> - ostrich shells found near hominid remains,
> >> - waterside butchering of bovids 2.5 Ma,
> >> - a few savanna people today running after kudus.
> > The whole AAT is based on finding new species like
> > semi-aquatic mountain beavers and eating algae.
>
> :-D
>
> What don't you inform a little bit, my little boy, before
> opening your big=

> mouth?
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT Description:
> * Human evolution based on comparative anatomy & physiology.
> * Comparative & fossil information on human & ape evolution.
> * Waterside diaspora of Homo after Homo & Pan split ~5 Ma.
>
> AAT:
> * Aquatic Ape Theory of human evolution (original term
> E.Morgan 1982)
> * Aquarboreal Apes Theory of Mio-Pliocene apes
> (aqua=3Dwater, arbor=3Dtree=
)
> * Amphibious Ancestors Theory of Plio-Pleistocene Homo (AAT
> strict sense)
>
> AAT s.s. is based on the behavior/anatomy/physiology/DNA of
> living humans compared to chimps & other living animals.

Irrelevant. If you can't delineate a selective scenario then
you are wasting your time.

>
> Collection of waterside foods (eg, fruits & nuts, turtle &
> bird eggs, shell/crayfish, water(side)plants, drowned
> herbivores, stranded whales etc=
.)
> explains unique Homo traits

How so? Does it not also explain otter traits?

(not seen in apes & australopiths) better than
> dwelling in forests or dry plains: huge brain, slow-diving
> skills, breath control, vocality, small mouth+chewing
> muscles, tongue bone descent, longe=
r
> airway, projecting nose, poor sense of smell, handiness &
> tool use, late puberty, long legs, alined body, poor
> climbing, flat feet, fur loss, fatness, profuse sweating,
> high needs of water, sodium, iodine, poly-unsat.fatty acids
> (DHA), etc. =A0All these features are typically see=
n in
> different combinations in waterside & (semi)aquatic animals,
> but strikingl=
y
> absent in savanna dwelling mammals.

Early hominids are forest dwelling (Monsoon forest0. So your
statement here is irrelevant.

Vagueness does not a hypothesis make.