apith hyoids cf.apes

[Marc Verha]

Human hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the Sima
de los Huesos I Martžnez cs.2008 JHE 54:118-124

... 2 hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the Sima
de los Huesos in the Sierra de Atapuerca ... are humanlike in
both their morphology & dimensions ; they clearly differ from
the hyoid bones of chimpanzees &
A.afarensis ... ... the degree of metric & anatomical
variation in the fossil sample was similar in magnitude &
kind to living humans. Modern hyoid morphology was present
by at least 530 ka = shared derived feature of the modern
human & Neandertal evolutionary lineages inherited from
their LCA.

[Rmacfarl]

On Mar 24, 11:25=A0am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Human hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
> Sima de los Hues=
os
> I Mart=9Enez cs.2008 JHE 54:118-124
>
> ... 2 hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
> Sima de los Hues=
os
> in the Sierra de Atapuerca ... are humanlike in both their
> morphology & dimensions ; they clearly differ from the hyoid
> bones of chimpanzees &
> A.afarensis ... ... the degree of metric & anatomical
> variation in the fossil sample was similar in magnitude &
> kind to living humans. Modern hyoid morphology was present
> by at least 530 ka =3D shared derived feature of the
> modern human =
&
> Neandertal evolutionary lineages inherited from their LCA.

So early Homo hyoid ca 500KYA is more like modern Homo Sapiens
than australopith ca 2-4 MYA. Both derived from Pan-Homo LCA -
what would you expect?

Ross Macfarlane

[Marc Verha]

Op 24-03-2008 07:43, in artikel 55098e47-8512-4919-bf5f-919a3-
db9ea26@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com, rmacfarl
<rmacfarl@alphalink.com.au> schreef:

> On Mar 24, 11:25 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Human hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
>> Sima de los Huesos I Mart¾nez cs.2008 JHE 54:118-124
>>
>> ... 2 hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
>> Sima de los Huesos in the Sierra de Atapuerca ... are
>> humanlike in both their morphology & dimensions ; they
>> clearly differ from the hyoid bones of chimpanzees &
>> A.afarensis ... ... the degree of metric & anatomical
>> variation in the fossil sample was similar in magnitude &
>> kind to living humans. Modern hyoid morphology was
>> present by at least 530 ka = shared derived feature of
>> the modern human & Neandertal evolutionary lineages
>> inherited from their LCA.
>
> So early Homo hyoid ca 500KYA is more like modern Homo
> Sapiens than australopith ca 2-4 MYA. Both derived from
> Pan-Homo LCA

what would you expect?

The "apith = human ancestors" believers could have thought
apiths were human-, not apelike in this...

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 24, 3:29=A0am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:

> The "apith =3D human ancestors" believers could have thought
> apiths were human-, not apelike in this...

More "human-like" than "gorilla-like" you imbecile.

Are you too stupid to make a direct quote? Yes you are because
you are an amateur.

http://users.ugent.be/~mvaneech/Report.html Mario
Vaneechoutte: "Verhaegen's reasoning was considered as
idiosyncratic by most of the participants."

Here is what a professional says:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/07/0710_020710_c-
hadskull.html "What's most astonishing is that the facial
features are like those that we don't see until 1.8 million
years ago in the genus Homo. It is more Homo than
australopithecine," he said, referring to the best- known
group of hominids, which appeared in East Africa three to four
million years ago and whose fossils have provided most of what
we know about the earliest human ancestors."

[Rmacfarl]

On Mar 24, 9:29=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 24-03-2008 07:43, in artikel 55098e47-8512-4919-bf5f-919-
> a3db9e...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com, rmacfar=
l
> <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> schreef:
>
> > On Mar 24, 11:25=A0am, Marc Verhaegen
> > <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> >> Human hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
> >> Sima de los H=
uesos
> >> I Mart=BEnez cs.2008 JHE 54:118-124
>
> >> ... 2 hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
> >> Sima de los H=
uesos
> >> in the Sierra de Atapuerca ... are humanlike in both
> >> their morphology &=

> >> dimensions ; they clearly differ from the hyoid bones of
> >> chimpanzees &
> >> A.afarensis ... ... the degree of metric & anatomical
> >> variation in the fossil sample wa=
s
> >> similar in magnitude & kind to living humans. Modern
> >> hyoid morphology w=
as
> >> present by at least 530 ka =3D shared derived feature of
> >> the modern hum=
an &
> >> Neandertal evolutionary lineages inherited from
> >> their LCA.
>
> > So early Homo hyoid ca 500KYA is more like modern Homo
> > Sapiens than australopith ca 2-4 MYA. Both derived from
> > Pan-Homo LCA
>
> what would you expect?
>
> The "apith =3D human ancestors" believers could have thought
> apiths were human-, not apelike in this...

Hyoid bone in modern humans is highly derived because
associated with speech. The fact that SDLH hominids had a
derived hyoid autapomorhic with modern humans is an indication
that they had evolved the ability to speak too.

Anyone knowing anything at all about human evolution (in other
words, the "apith =3D human ancestors" believers) would expect
that australopith hyoids would be much less derived from the
ancestral ape- like condition. The JHE article isn't
addressing that issue at all.

This is just you pushing your "idiosyncratic" reasoning which
isn't even accepted by most AAH adherents...

Ross Macfarlane

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 25, 2:12=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:

>
> Savanna believers are stupid stupid stupid.

Says the wetloon who thinks mountain beavers are semi-aquatic.

[Marc Verha]

>>>> "Human hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of
>>>> the Sima de los Huesos" I Martinez cs.2008 JHE 54:118-124
>>>> ... 2 hyoid bones from the middle Pleistocene site of the
>>>> Sima de los Huesos in the Sierra de Atapuerca ... are
>>>> humanlike in both their morphology & dimensions ; they
>>>> clearly differ from the hyoid bones of chimpanzees &
>>>> A.afarensis ... ... the degree of metric & anatomical
>>>> variation in the fossil sample was similar in magnitude &
>>>> kind to living humans. Modern hyoid morphology was
>>>> present by at least 530 ka = shared derived feature of
>>>> the modern human & Neandertal evolutionary lineages
>>>> inherited from their LCA.

>>> So early Homo hyoid ca 500KYA is more like modern Homo
>>> Sapiens than australopith ca 2-4 MYA. Both derived from
>>> Pan-Homo LCA

>> what would you expect? The "apith = human ancestors"
>> believers could have thought apiths were human-, not
>> apelike in this...

> Hyoid bone in modern humans is highly derived because
> associated with speech.

:-D

Savanna believers are stupid stupid stupid.