Fish trap

[Nickname]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

[Marc Verha]

Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-47203-
d74fd94@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nickname
<alas_my_loves@yahoo.com> schreef:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

Amazing.

--marc

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 21, 5:24=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-472-
> 03d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nicknam=
e
> <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> Amazing.
>
> --marc

Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter and
faster than you.

http://tinyurl.com/233kfr

[Nickname]

On Mar 21, 8:21 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 5:24 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> > Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-4-
> > 7203d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nickname
> > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> > Amazing.
>
> > --marc
>
> Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter and
> faster than you.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/233kfr

No, that's a crocodilian, in a zoo, after an injection mishap.

Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 21, 10:50=A0pm, nickname
<alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 8:21 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 21, 5:24 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-
> > > -47203d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nic=
kname
> > > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> > > Amazing.
>
> > > --marc
>
> > Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter and
> > faster than you.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/233kfr
>
> No, that's a crocodilian, in a zoo, after an injection
> mishap.
>
> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

SCI.ANTHROPOLOGY.PALEO CHARTER: Description Evolution of man
and other primates.

Your topic is off topic for this group, moron.

Try a UFO forum, they will love you over there.

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 22, 4:06=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
> >> Amazing.
> > Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter and
> > faster than you. =A0http://tinyurl.com/233kfr
>
> Yes, good boy,

boy??? You still obsessed with them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia "Pedophilia or
paedophilia (Commonwealth usage) is the primary or exclusive
sexual attraction of adults to prepubescent children. A person
with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile.[1]
The ICD-10 and DSM IV, which are standard medical diagnosis
manuals, describe pedophilia as a paraphilia and mental
disorder of adults or older adolescents, if it causes
clinically significant distress or impairment in social,
occupational, or other important areas of functioning. [4] The
term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote an adult
who is sexually attracted to young adolescents, especially
younger than the local age of consent,[2] as well as those
accused or convicted of child sexual abuse or child
pornography-related offences."

>Lucy's fossils lay next to crocodile remains.

Yes, good wetloon, now you are catching on.

Davidson, I. & Solomon, S. (1990) Was OH 27 the victim of a
crocodile attack?. In Solomon, S., Davidson, I. & Watson, D.
(eds) Problem Solving in Taphonomy: Archaeological &
Palaeontological Studies from Europe, Africa & Oceania. Tempus
2. Anthropology Museum, University of Queensland, St. Lucia,
Queensland. 198 - 206.

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 23, 3:40=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 23-03-2008 01:32, in artikel 3fa64ebd-3b85-402a-81e2-476-
> 659d94...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com, Lee Ols=
en
> <paleoc...@hotmail.com> schreef:
>
> > On Mar 22, 4:06=A0pm, Marc Verhaegen
> > <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
> >>>> Amazing.
> >>> Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter
> >>> and faster than you. =A0http://tinyurl.com/233kfr
>
> >> Yes, good boy,
>
> > boy???
>
> Of course: you behave like a ridiculous child.

Says who? The wetloon who doesn't know a mountain beaver from
a capybara?

Let's see what the professionals say about your behavior:

Message-ID:
<1124421294.671438.286120@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Jason
Eshleman: "You, Marc, are a low-life, a real sleazebag
sociopath. If it makes you feel better to repeat ad nauseum
that no one has an argument against your scenario, you really
ought to get your medication adjusted. It might actually make
you less of a dickhead. You are asking for someone to
contradict something that you've not made a case for. You are
asking someone to prove a negative. This isn't science, though
I suspect you don't know what science is and as such will
continue your mentally ill diatribes."

http://www.aquaticape.org/whataat.html Jim Moore: "Marc
Verhaegen now also often takes umbrage if you critique an
AAT/H claim that he doesn't make himself. But then taking
umbrage seems to be a specialty with him; his online method
tends toward gratuitous insults, often as the sole content of
his newsgroup posts, and continually reposting the same,
non-responsive, paragraphs (earning him the nickname
"macro-man" after the usual technique for doing that), and,
starting from his very first online post in 1998, comparing
his position to Wegener, Galileo, etc. These methods certainly
don't help his argument, instead placing his online newsgroup
contributions in the realm of the netloon."

http://users.ugent.be/~mvaneech/Report.html Mario
Vaneechoutte: "Verhaegen's reasoning was considered as
idiosyncratic by most of the participants."

[Marc Verha]

Op 23-03-2008 01:32, in artikel 3fa64ebd-3b85-402a-81e2-47665-
9d94cb3@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com, Lee Olsen
<paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:

> On Mar 22, 4:06 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>>>> Amazing.
>>> Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter and
>>> faster than you.  http://tinyurl.com/233kfr
>>
>> Yes, good boy,
>
> boy???

Of course: you behave like a ridiculous child.

[Nickname]

On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 10:50 pm, nickname
> <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 21, 8:21 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 21, 5:24 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> > > <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
> > > > Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-81-
> > > > 77-47203d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nickname
> > > > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> > > > Amazing.
>
> > > > --marc
>
> > > Right, but just don't you try it. The bird is smarter
> > > and faster than you.
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/233kfr
>
> > No, that's a crocodilian, in a zoo, after an injection
> > mishap.
>
> > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?
>
> SCI.ANTHROPOLOGY.PALEO CHARTER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

> Description Evolution of man and other primates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> Your topic is off topic for this group, moron.
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

> Try a UFO forum, they will love you over there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything to do
with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???

the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo

keep running.

[McLark]

On Mar 24, 4:17=A0pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
[mutter, mutter]
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?
>
[repeat]
>
> Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything to
> do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???

Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have everything
to do with the wet ape's assertion that our hominid ancestors
evolved in an African waterside niche. Don't get it? Gosh, and
they drew you a picture, too.

> the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo

How clever.

> keep running.

I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
African riverbanks. Whaddya say?

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 24, 2:17=A0pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?

Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics on this
forum just to be an ass?

[Nickname]

On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 4:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> [mutter, mutter]
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?
>
> [repeat]
>
> > Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything
> > to do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???
>
> Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have
> everything to do with the wet ape's assertion that our
> hominid ancestors evolved in an African waterside niche.
> Don't get it? Gosh, and they drew you a picture, too.

AFAIK most wild critters (rabbits, cobras) have an
immediate unfriendly reaction to receiving injections.
That's why treated baits and traps are typically used,
along with distance dart injections. The zoo vet apparently
did not do this.

I don't think there were any vets around before pastoralism
and domestication, but there were certainly baited traps,
snares, weirs which allowed our waterside ancestors to
dwell in choice seaside locales rather than mountaintops
and deserts.

> > the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo
>
> How clever.

Merely a response to monotonous tabloid tactics. Most vet
injuries are due to cattle and dogs, not crocs.

> > keep running.
>
> I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
> African riverbanks. Whaddya say?

African Inland riverbanks? Our ancestral hominids weren't
African river dwellers AFAICT, they were very salt-dependent
(see genetic studies of African evolutionarily recent salt
retention and sweat reduction). Gona, Awash, Afar, etc. all
are near regions of high-salt. Crocs don't like much salt,
though they can handle brackish waters after surviving infancy
in freshwaters. Humans OTOH love salt in their food (except
fruits), as Mario has noted.

[Nickname]

On Mar 24, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?
>
> Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics on this
> forum just to be an ass?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U

> Description Evolution of man and other primates.

Alligator snapping turtles use baited traps to catch fish,
herons use baited traps to catch fish, humans use baited
traps to catch fish, all have strong association with
waterside foraging.

[Nickname]

On Mar 21, 5:24 pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-472-
> 03d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nickname
> <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> Amazing.
>
> --marc

http://books.google.com/books?id=1Q_L09u7QZAC&pg=PA258&lpg=PA-
258&dq=kudu+trap&source=web&ots=Ybhm13BIgM&sig=G_WFexqY695Xka-
eOUgVUq9X1je4&hl=en

In South Africa, a kudu is an antelope, but in Sri Lanka, a
kudu is a fish trap.

DD

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 25, 11:50=A0am, nickname
<alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
> > > topic?
>
> > Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics on this
> > forum just to be an ass?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> > Description Evolution of man and other primates.
>
> herons use baited traps to catch fish,
=3Ds nickname a birdbrain.

[Marc Verha]

Thanks, DD. Nice to hear sensible things here. --marc

Op 25-03-2008 18:55, in artikel 9f6132a2-eb1a-4b57-9da0-034e4-
14387ee@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com, nickname
<alas_my_loves@yahoo.com> schreef:

> On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 4:17 pm, nickname
>> <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>> [mutter, mutter]
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>>
>>> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the topic?
>>
>> [repeat]
>>
>>> Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything
>>> to do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???
>>
>> Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have
>> everything to do with the wet ape's assertion that our
>> hominid ancestors evolved in an African waterside niche.
>> Don't get it? Gosh, and they drew you a picture, too.
>
> AFAIK most wild critters (rabbits, cobras) have an
> immediate unfriendly reaction to receiving injections.
> That's why treated baits and traps are typically used,
> along with distance dart injections. The zoo vet apparently
> did not do this.
>
> I don't think there were any vets around before pastoralism
> and domestication, but there were certainly baited traps,
> snares, weirs which allowed our waterside ancestors to dwell
> in choice seaside locales rather than mountaintops and
> deserts.
>
>>> the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo
>>
>> How clever.
>
> Merely a response to monotonous tabloid tactics. Most vet
> injuries are due to cattle and dogs, not crocs.
>
>>> keep running.
>>
>> I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
>> African riverbanks. Whaddya say?
>
> African Inland riverbanks? Our ancestral hominids weren't
> African river dwellers AFAICT, they were very salt-dependent
> (see genetic studies of African evolutionarily recent salt
> retention and sweat reduction). Gona, Awash, Afar, etc. all
> are near regions of high-salt. Crocs don't like much salt,
> though they can handle brackish waters after surviving
> infancy in freshwaters. Humans OTOH love salt in their food
> (except fruits), as Mario has noted.

[Nickname]

On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 11:50 am, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:> On Mar 24, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen
> <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
> > > > topic?
>
> > > Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics on
> > > this forum just to be an ass?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> > > Description Evolution of man and other primates.
>
> > herons use baited traps to catch fish,
>
> =s nickname a birdbrain.

iqudu = antelope (Khoisan) koedoe = antelope (Afrikaans) kudu
= antelope (English) kudu = fish trap (Sri Lanka)

elephantfish: brain proportionately larger than human ostrich:
brain smaller than its eyeballs

keep running after that kudu, carrying a club and a water bag
and a hand- axe and a hammer stone to keep it sharp ...

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 25, 3:14=A0pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 11:50 am, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:> On Mar 2=
4, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
> > > > > topic?
>
> > > > Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics on
> > > > this forum jus=
t
> > > > to be an ass?
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> > > > Description Evolution of man and other primates.
>
> > > =A0herons use baited traps to catch fish,
>
> > =3Ds nickname a birdbrain.
>
> iqudu =3D antelope (Khoisan) koedoe =3D antelope (Afrikaans)
> kudu =3D antelope (English) kudu =3D fish trap (Sri Lanka)

Says who? Do you know what a citation is, or are you just
winging it again?

>
> elephantfish: brain proportionately larger than human
> ostrich: brain smaller than its eyeballs
>
> keep running after that kudu, carrying a club...

I'll let the ladies do that, thank you.

Page 96 Leakey gives a nice example of root-gathering Tindiga
women running after kudus and killing them with clubs. Most
know it is the female chimps that teach their young how to
crack nuts with a rock and strip a twig to use in termite
fishing. It is reasonable to assume it was the females of our
ancestors that were teaching the young to run after kudus and
kill them with weapons.

LEAKEY, L. S. B., By the Evidence. Memoirs 1932-1951. New
York, Harcourt Brace 1974

[Nickname]

On Mar 25, 4:08 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 3:14 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 25, 11:50 am, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:> On Mar 24, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen
> > > <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname
> > > > > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to
> > > > > > the topic?
>
> > > > > Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics
> > > > > on this forum just to be an ass?
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>
> > > > > Description Evolution of man and other primates.
>
> > > > herons use baited traps to catch fish,
>
> > > =s nickname a birdbrain.
>
> > iqudu = antelope (Khoisan) koedoe = antelope (Afrikaans)
> > kudu = antelope (English) kudu = fish trap (Sri Lanka)
>
> Says who? Do you know what a citation is, or are you just
> winging it again?
>
>
>
> > elephantfish: brain proportionately larger than human
> > ostrich: brain smaller than its eyeballs
>
> > keep running after that kudu, carrying a club...
>
> I'll let the ladies do that, thank you.
>
> Page 96 Leakey gives a nice example of root-gathering
> Tindiga women running after kudus and killing them with
> clubs. Most know it is the female chimps that teach their
> young how to crack nuts with a rock and strip a twig to use
> in termite fishing. It is reasonable to assume it was the
> females of our ancestors that were teaching the young to run
> after kudus and kill them with weapons.
>
> LEAKEY, L. S. B., By the Evidence. Memoirs 1932-1951. New
> York, Harcourt Brace 1974

The vet didn't have a club?

[Lee Olsen]

On Mar 25, 5:32=A0pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 25, 4:08 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 3:14 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 25, 11:50 am, nickname
> > > > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On M=
ar 24, 2:56 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 24, 2:17 pm, nickname
> > > > > > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to
> > > > > > > the topic?
>
> > > > > > Do you intentionally avoid posting on topic topics
> > > > > > on this forum=
just
> > > > > > to be an ass?
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUNTw7GH325U
>
> > > > > > Description Evolution of man and other primates.
>
> > > > > =A0herons use baited traps to catch fish,
>
> > > > =3Ds nickname a birdbrain.
>
> > > iqudu =3D antelope (Khoisan) koedoe =3D antelope
> > > (Afrikaans) kudu =3D antelope (English) kudu =3D fish
> > > trap (Sri Lanka)
>
> > Says who? Do you know what a citation is, or are you just
> > winging it again?
>
> > > elephantfish: brain proportionately larger than human
> > > ostrich: brain smaller than its eyeballs
>
> > > keep running after that kudu, carrying a club...
>
> > I'll let the ladies do that, thank you.
>
> > Page 96 Leakey gives a nice example of root-gathering
> > Tindiga women running after kudus and killing them with
> > clubs. Most know =A0it is the female chimps that teach
> > their young how to crack=

> > nuts with a rock and strip a twig to use in termite
> > fishing. It is reasonable to assume it was the females of
> > our ancestors that were teaching the young to run after
> > kudus and kill them with weapons.
>
> > LEAKEY, L. S. B., By the Evidence. Memoirs 1932-1951. New
> > York, Harcourt Brace 1974
>
> The vet didn't have a club?

Davidson, I. & Solomon, S. (1990) Was OH 27 the victim of a
crocodile attack?. In Solomon, S., Davidson, I. & Watson, D.
(eds) Problem Solving in Taphonomy: Archaeological &
Palaeontological Studies from Europe, Africa & Oceania. Tempus
2. Anthropology Museum, University of Queensland, St. Lucia,
Queensland. 198 - 206.

Su used to post here on sap. She claimed she wasn't
stupid enough to go in the water while she was doing
research in Africa.

[Rich Travs]

Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> Thanks, DD. Nice to hear sensible things here. --marc

"Our ancestral hominids weren't African river dwellers AFAICT"

> Op 25-03-2008 18:55, in artikel 9f6132a2-eb1a-4b57-9da0-034-
> e414387ee@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com, nickname
> <alas_my_loves@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Mar 24, 4:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >> [mutter, mutter]
> >>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
> >>
> >>> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
> >>> topic?
> >>
> >> [repeat]
> >>
> >>> Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything
> >>> to do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???
> >>
> >> Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have
> >> everything to do with the wet ape's assertion that our
> >> hominid ancestors evolved in an African waterside niche.
> >> Don't get it? Gosh, and they drew you a picture, too.
> >
> > AFAIK most wild critters (rabbits, cobras) have an
> > immediate unfriendly reaction to receiving injections.
> > That's why treated baits and traps are typically used,
> > along with distance dart injections. The zoo vet
> > apparently did not do this.
> >
> > I don't think there were any vets around before
> > pastoralism and domestication, but there were certainly
> > baited traps, snares, weirs which allowed our waterside
> > ancestors to dwell in choice seaside locales rather than
> > mountaintops and deserts.
> >
> >>> the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo
> >>
> >> How clever.
> >
> > Merely a response to monotonous tabloid tactics. Most vet
> > injuries are due to cattle and dogs, not crocs.
> >
> >>> keep running.
> >>
> >> I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
> >> African riverbanks. Whaddya say?
> >
> > African Inland riverbanks? Our ancestral hominids weren't
> > African river dwellers AFAICT, they were very
> > salt-dependent (see genetic studies of African
> > evolutionarily recent salt retention and sweat reduction).
> > Gona, Awash, Afar, etc. all are near regions of high-salt.
> > Crocs don't like much salt, though they can handle
> > brackish waters after surviving infancy in freshwaters.
> > Humans OTOH love salt in their food (except fruits), as
> > Mario has noted.

[Marc Verha]

Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
"ancestors", Travsky??

Op 30-03-2008 07:48, in artikel
47EF29BC.718A8FD2@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
<traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:

> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, DD. Nice to hear sensible things here. --marc
>
> "Our ancestral hominids weren't African river dwellers
> AFAICT"
>
>> Op 25-03-2008 18:55, in artikel 9f6132a2-eb1a-4b57-9da0-03-
>> 4e414387ee@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com, nickname
>> <alas_my_loves@yahoo.com> schreef:
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 24, 4:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [mutter, mutter]
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
>>>>
>>>>> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
>>>>> topic?
>>>>
>>>> [repeat]
>>>>
>>>>> Since when do injections into crocodilians have anything
>>>>> to do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???
>>>>
>>>> Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have
>>>> everything to do with the wet ape's assertion that our
>>>> hominid ancestors evolved in an African waterside niche.
>>>> Don't get it? Gosh, and they drew you a picture, too.
>>>
>>> AFAIK most wild critters (rabbits, cobras) have an
>>> immediate unfriendly reaction to receiving injections.
>>> That's why treated baits and traps are typically used,
>>> along with distance dart injections. The zoo vet
>>> apparently did not do this.
>>>
>>> I don't think there were any vets around before
>>> pastoralism and domestication, but there were certainly
>>> baited traps, snares, weirs which allowed our waterside
>>> ancestors to dwell in choice seaside locales rather than
>>> mountaintops and deserts.
>>>
>>>>> the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo
>>>>
>>>> How clever.
>>>
>>> Merely a response to monotonous tabloid tactics. Most vet
>>> injuries are due to cattle and dogs, not crocs.
>>>
>>>>> keep running.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
>>>> African riverbanks. Whaddya say?
>>>
>>> African Inland riverbanks? Our ancestral hominids weren't
>>> African river dwellers AFAICT, they were very
>>> salt-dependent (see genetic studies of African
>>> evolutionarily recent salt retention and sweat reduction).
>>> Gona, Awash, Afar, etc. all are near regions of high-salt.
>>> Crocs don't like much salt, though they can handle
>>> brackish waters after surviving infancy in freshwaters.
>>> Humans OTOH love salt in their food (except fruits), as
>>> Mario has noted.

[Lee Olsen]

Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:

"Why do you believe the "spears" could not have been used
for fish?"

ROFL

[Jerry Warn]

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nickname wrote:

> On Mar 21, 5:24 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> > Op 21-03-2008 22:09, in artikel a751260b-6fcc-43de-8177-4-
> > 7203d74f...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, nickname
> > <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com> schreef:
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
> >
> > Amazing.
> >
> > --marc
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=1Q_L09u7QZAC&pg=PA258&lpg=-
> PA258&dq=kudu+trap&source=web&ots=Ybhm13BIgM&sig=G_WFexqY69-
> 5XkaeOUgVUq9X1je4&hl=en
>
> In South Africa, a kudu is an antelope, but in Sri Lanka, a
> kudu is a fish trap.
>
> DD

and in Southern California its valley girl slang for "could
you" .... kudugedagodabuda smi?

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[Rich Travs]

Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
> "ancestors", Travsky??

Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL

> Op 30-03-2008 07:48, in artikel
> 47EF29BC.718A8FD2@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
> <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:
> > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, DD. Nice to hear sensible things here. --marc
> >
> > "Our ancestral hominids weren't African river dwellers
> > AFAICT"
> >
> >> Op 25-03-2008 18:55, in artikel 9f6132a2-eb1a-4b57-9da0--
> >> 034e414387ee@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com, nickname
> >> <alas_my_loves@yahoo.com> schreef:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, mclark <mbclar...@comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 24, 4:17 pm, nickname <alas_my_lo...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 22, 5:43 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> [mutter, mutter]
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNTw7GH325U
> >>>>
> >>>>> Do you intentionally avoid anything relevant to the
> >>>>> topic?
> >>>>
> >>>> [repeat]
> >>>>
> >>>>> Since when do injections into crocodilians have
> >>>>> anything to do with Sci.Anthro.Paleo???
> >>>>
> >>>> Pictures of hands sticking out of croc mouths have
> >>>> everything to do with the wet ape's assertion that our
> >>>> hominid ancestors evolved in an African waterside
> >>>> niche. Don't get it? Gosh, and they drew you a picture,
> >>>> too.
> >>>
> >>> AFAIK most wild critters (rabbits, cobras) have an
> >>> immediate unfriendly reaction to receiving injections.
> >>> That's why treated baits and traps are typically used,
> >>> along with distance dart injections. The zoo vet
> >>> apparently did not do this.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think there were any vets around before
> >>> pastoralism and domestication, but there were certainly
> >>> baited traps, snares, weirs which allowed our waterside
> >>> ancestors to dwell in choice seaside locales rather than
> >>> mountaintops and deserts.
> >>>
> >>>>> the circus is leaving town, better catch up bozo
> >>>>
> >>>> How clever.
> >>>
> >>> Merely a response to monotonous tabloid tactics. Most
> >>> vet injuries are due to cattle and dogs, not crocs.
> >>>
> >>>>> keep running.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll keep running if you promise to keep foraging those
> >>>> African riverbanks. Whaddya say?
> >>>
> >>> African Inland riverbanks? Our ancestral hominids
> >>> weren't African river dwellers AFAICT, they were very
> >>> salt-dependent (see genetic studies of African
> >>> evolutionarily recent salt retention and sweat
> >>> reduction). Gona, Awash, Afar, etc. all are near regions
> >>> of high-salt. Crocs don't like much salt, though they
> >>> can handle brackish waters after surviving infancy in
> >>> freshwaters. Humans OTOH love salt in their food (except
> >>> fruits), as Mario has noted.

[Nickname]

On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
<traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> > Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
> > "ancestors", Travsky??
>
> Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL

Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.

The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As long
as antelope snares? Before nets were developed?

[Nickname]

On Apr 18, 8:07 pm, "Dwight E. Howell"
<deo...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> nickname wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
> > <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> >> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> >>> Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
> >>> "ancestors", Travsky??
> >> Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL
>
> > Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.
>
> > The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As
> > long as antelope snares? Before nets were developed?
>
> Ancient items made of material that readily perishes are
> hard to find. They are most likely much older than the
> oldest known.
>
> They might be several hundred thousands of years old but I
> doubt if the evidence can even prove 50,000.
>
> Maybe 10,000 or so. You would need to get lucky in mucky
> ground. ?8^)

10ka hunting and gathering people in Turkey-Fertile Crescent
were already building carved megalithic stone monument temples
moving 50 ton boulders IIRC. (Google Urfa.) Stone weirs
certainly were common at that time, in addition to box canyon
traps and swamp waterside ambushes. When were
wooden/bone/stone/bamboo fish traps first used? Unknown,
probably associated with the first primitive baskets, which
probably derived from daily woven nests, as seen constructed
by all great apes, both on the ground and in the tree tops,
and in humans via woven huts, yurts, coracles etc. DDeden

[Dwight E.]

nickname wrote:
> On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
>> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>>
>>> Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
>>> "ancestors", Travsky??
>> Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL
>
> Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.
>
> The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As long
> as antelope snares? Before nets were developed?
>

Ancient items made of material that readily perishes are
hard to find. They are most likely much older than the
oldest known.

They might be several hundred thousands of years old but I
doubt if the evidence can even prove 50,000.

Maybe 10,000 or so. You would need to get lucky in mucky
ground. ?8^)

[Nickname]

On Apr 18, 8:07 pm, "Dwight E. Howell"
<deo...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> nickname wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
> > <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> >> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> >>> Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils" &
> >>> "ancestors", Travsky??
> >> Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL
>
> > Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.
>
> > The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As
> > long as antelope snares? Before nets were developed?
>
> Ancient items made of material that readily perishes are
> hard to find. They are most likely much older than the
> oldest known.
>
> They might be several hundred thousands of years old but I
> doubt if the evidence can even prove 50,000.
>
> Maybe 10,000 or so. You would need to get lucky in mucky
> ground. ?8^)

See the articles on Monte Verde.

[Nickname]

On Apr 20, 10:05 pm, Rich Travsky
<traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> nickname wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
> > <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> > > > Are you really too stupid to discern between "fossils"
> > > > & "ancestors", Travsky??
>
> > > Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL
>
> > Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.
>
> You're the one who it!
>
> "Our ancestral hominids weren't African river dwellers
> AFAICT"
>
> LOL LOL LOL

Human ancestors were hominids (therefore ancestral), but not
all hominids were human ancestors.

Though they may have traveled along river corridors before the
development of nets, boats, I don't think they were
specialized river or riverside dwellers far from seacoasts
until dugouts and nets.

>> > The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As
>> > long as
> > antelope snares? Before nets were developed?

[Rich Travs]

nickname wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 10:05 pm, Rich Travsky
> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > nickname wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 6, 8:55 pm, Rich Travsky
> > > <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > > > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> >
> > > > > Are you really too stupid to discern between
> > > > > "fossils" & "ancestors", Travsky??
> >
> > > > Ask DD/nickname - it's his statement! LOL
> >
> > > Yes, Travsky is too stupid apparently.
> >
> > You're the one who it!
> >
> > "Our ancestral hominids weren't African river dwellers
> > AFAICT"
> >
> > LOL LOL LOL
>
> Human ancestors were hominids (therefore ancestral), but not
> all hominids were human ancestors.
>
> Though they may have traveled along river corridors before
> the development of nets, boats, I don't think they were
> specialized river or riverside dwellers far from seacoasts
> until dugouts and nets.

Hence, more recent then, and therefore of little relevance
evolutionarily speaking.

> >> > The question is, how long have fish traps been used? As
> >> > long as
> > > antelope snares? Before nets were developed?