glucose and benign brain tumors

[82817.4]

] # http://breast-cancer-research.com/content/10/1/202/?mkt=1-
54301 ] Tumor cells exhibit an altered metabolism,
characterized by increased glucose uptake and elevated
glycolysis

I have a friend, whose child has pilocytic astrocytoma,
receiving chemotherapy (Carboplatin/Vincristine), also
receiving some infusions of 20% glucose. Do benign
tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well, would
it be suggested for child to limit sugar consumption,
change clinic ?

] # http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/bc-bbi0219-
07.php ] Ketocal - High-fat, low-carbohydrate diet
significantly slows tumor growth and enhances health in mice ]
# http://escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI1436013/

No need to reply on this part. I'm just expressing some
surprise that there are so few pages about this
"significantly slows tumor growth" Ketocal, when it supposed
to be safe as "already used by people with epilepsy", news
over a year old - just 7,250 in results google vs 4.2 M brain
tumor, 8.8M epilepsy.

Thank You

[D. C. Sess]

In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32dfe@p73g2000hsd.-
googlegroups.com>, 82817.4@gmail.com wrote:

> Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well,
> would it be suggested for child to limit sugar consumption,
> change clinic ?

If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce blood
glucose to the point of completely stopping the tumors.

It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.

Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to the
point where healthy organ systems (think: central nervous) are
in *really* bad shape.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

[Homenet]

On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions"
<d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000hs-
> d.googlegroups.com>, 8281...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as well,
> > would it be suggested for child to limit sugar
> > consumption, change clinic ?
>
> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up
> on insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should
> reduce blood glucose to the point of completely
> stopping the tumors.
>
> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>
> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for life.
> Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream than
> health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to the
> point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it to
> the point where healthy organ systems (think: central
> nervous) are in *really* bad shape.
>
> --
> |The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com>
> ----------+

a very uneffective treatment as you can see!

-----------------------------------------
http://mesothelioma.mypressonline.com/index.html - Information
and advice on Mesothelioma cancer

[Marc Bisso]

Homenet <Edward.Stanyer@googlemail.com> fell face-first on the
keyboard. This was the result: news:d69965e4-e07e-4e2c-b34d-9-
712b7765a2e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions"
> <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>> In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000h-
>> sd.googlegroups.com>, 8281...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as
>> > well, would it be suggested for child to limit sugar
>> > consumption, change clinic ?
>>
>> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
>> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
>> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the
>> tumors.
>>
>> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>>
>> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for
>> life. Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream
>> than health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose to
>> the point of materially affecting tumors, you've lowered it
>> to the point where healthy organ systems (think: central
>> nervous) are in *really* bad shape.
>>
>> --
>> |The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!"
>> | |
>> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
>> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com>
>> ----------+
>
> a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
>

Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
experience with this :)

"Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't just
the sugars that is turned into blood glucose (which is,
indeed, the basic fuel for everything in the body), but all
carbohydrates.

While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
(Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you
can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy -
Follow Canada's Food Guide
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html

and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off
the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
treatment.

--
Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP?
http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
across Canada.

[csm7532]

On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette
<dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first on
> the keyboard. This was the
> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:
>
> > In message
> > <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
> >> little experience with this :)
>
> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's
> > oldest is now at the point where he can (and does, nicely)
> > manage his own sugar balance. It's a slog to get there,
> > but two 40ish cow-orkers are living testimony that you can
> > get there still quite healthy.
>
> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a
> > point of having her always have a glucose tube in her
> > purse with instructions.
>
> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my
> wife or I always have something with us, in case of a low
> (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of
> those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
> reminder.
>
> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
> >> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less
> >> than two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary
> >> thing you can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to
> >> eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-s-
> >> c.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest
> >> of your body healthy enough to do what it can to both
> >> fight off the cancer, but also to heal from the side
> >> effects of treatment.
>
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
> > belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
> across Canada.

We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but I
have a question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best way
to get the blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that potatoes
raise blood sugar faster than table sugar, because their
starch is loosely bonded glucose (or something to that
effect). What about those glucose gel packets sold for
exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple of those
in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very quick
sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing something
important, as I'm not diabetic and have no training in this.

---
CSM

[D. C. Sess]

In message
<Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc
Bissonnette wrote:

> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> experience with this :)

Well, that disqualifies you right there.

Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest
is now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his
own sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two 40ish
cow-orkers are living testimony that you can get there still
quite healthy.

Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point
of having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
instructions.

> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
> two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you
> can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy -
> Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/foo-
> d-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
> your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off
> the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
> treatment.

There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't belong.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

[Marc Bisso]

"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first on the
keyboard. This was the result:
news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:

> In message
> <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalysisc@216.196.97.131>, Marc
> Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
>> little experience with this :)
>
> Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest
> is now at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage
> his own sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two
> 40ish cow-orkers are living testimony that you can get there
> still quite healthy.
>
> Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a point
> of having her always have a glucose tube in her purse with
> instructions.

She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my
wife or I always have something with us, in case of a low
(Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of
those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the reminder.

>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
>> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
>> two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing
>> you can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat
>> healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.c-
>> a/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
>> your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight
>> off the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
>> treatment.
>
> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
> belong.

Usenet is funny like that :)

--
Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP?
http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
across Canada.

[J]

Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first on
> the keyboard. This was the result:
> news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:
>
> [...]>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in
> cancer (Hell, I'm a
>
> >> complete newb, having been diagnosed less than two months
> >> ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you can do
> >> for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy -
> >> Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/-
> >> food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
> >>
> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest
> >> of your body healthy enough to do what it can to both
> >> fight off the cancer, but also to heal from the side
> >> effects of treatment.
> >
> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
> > belong.
>
> Usenet is funny like that :)

I've answered the OP on sci.med.diseases.cancer That's where
his type of post belongs. J

[D. C. Sess]

In message <2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g2000prf.-
googlegroups.com>, csm7532@hotmail.com wrote:

> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but
> I have a question.  Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the
> best way to get the blood sugar levels up?  My GP told me
> that potatoes raise blood sugar faster than table sugar,
> because their starch is loosely bonded glucose (or something
> to that effect).  What about those glucose gel packets sold
> for exercise, like at bike shops?  It seems like a couple of
> those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very
> quick sugar boost when needed.  But maybe I'm missing
> something important, as I'm not diabetic and have no
> training in this.

Part of the problem is that when someone is going into insulin
shock solid food is a Bad Idea. The glucose gel packs are
pretty much the gold standard; there are little ones that are
made specifically for emergency administration and even come
with tongue depressors so that the stuff can be inserted
orally where the oral mucosa will absorb direct to
bloodstream.

However, barring that, sucrose keeps pretty well and
hydrolyzes to glucose and fructose readily. We used to say
that a soft drink was a reasonable substitute, but in the USA
they're all pretty much glucose-free and you don't want to
wait for the liver to process fructose to get blood levels up.

Which leaves little packets of table sugar: easy to administer
to a less-than-alert patient, keep well, get blood sugar up
fairly quickly. When you're dealing with something that can
kill as quickly as insulin shock, the perfect really is the
enemy of the good.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

[Marc Bisso]

csm7532@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This was
the result: news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h11g200-
0prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette
> <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first on
>> the keyboard. This was the
>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:
>>
>> > In message
>> > <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>
>> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
>> >> little experience with this :)
>>
>> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>>
>> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's
>> > oldest is now at the point where he can (and does,
>> > nicely) manage his own sugar balance. It's a slog to get
>> > there, but two 40ish cow-orkers are living testimony that
>> > you can get there still quite healthy.
>>
>> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a
>> > point of having her always have a glucose tube in her
>> > purse with instructions.
>>
>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either my
>> wife or I always have something with us, in case of a low
>> (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her one of
>> those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for the
>> reminder.
>>
>> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
>> >> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less
>> >> than two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary
>> >> thing you can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to
>> >> eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc--
>> >> sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest
>> >> of your body healthy enough to do what it can to both
>> >> fight off the cancer, but also to heal from the side
>> >> effects of treatment.
>>
>> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
>> > belong.
>>
>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
>> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
>> across Canada.
>
> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC), but
> I have a question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really the best
> way to get the blood sugar levels up? My GP told me that
> potatoes raise blood sugar faster than table sugar, because
> their starch is loosely bonded glucose (or something to that
> effect). What about those glucose gel packets sold for
> exercise, like at bike shops? It seems like a couple of
> those in a purse would last a long time, and provide a very
> quick sugar boost when needed. But maybe I'm missing
> something important, as I'm not diabetic and have no
> training in this.
>

Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice, now:
Rubbing sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her blood
sugar up both times, in the space of five minutes, after which
orange juice, followed by solid food got her stable.

Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened, her
blood sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time the
paramedics arrived (It happened at school) - They administered
glucagon into her thigh immediately, which, of course, brought
her right back up (followed by the requisite four hours of
nausea and vomiting)

Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly
don't know), but when they're unconcious, you need to get it
into the blood stream as quickly as possible - If not direct
injection (i.e. glucagon), then rubbing sugar/icing into the
sides of the inside of their mouth works best (Keeping in mind
they're unconcious, so trying to get them to swallow anything
raises all sorts of choking hazards).

Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar control/diet
so that it doesn't happen in the first place :)

--
Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new ISP?
http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
across Canada.

[csm7532]

On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette
<dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
> csm7...@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This
> was the result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h1-
> 1g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette
> > <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
> >> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first
> >> on the keyboard. This was the
> >> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:
>
> >> > In message
> >> > <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
> >> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> >> >> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
> >> >> little experience with this :)
>
> >> > Well, that disqualifies you right there.
>
> >> > Appreciation for parents of Type I kids; my brother's
> >> > oldest is now at the point where he can (and does,
> >> > nicely) manage his own sugar balance. It's a slog to
> >> > get there, but two 40ish cow-orkers are living
> >> > testimony that you can get there still quite healthy.
>
> >> > Tip from an EMT: along with the alert bracelet, make a
> >> > point of having her always have a glucose tube in her
> >> > purse with instructions.
>
> >> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either
> >> my wife or I always have something with us, in case of a
> >> low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her
> >> one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for
> >> the reminder.
>
> >> >> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in
> >> >> cancer (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been
> >> >> diagnosed less than two months ago), I would say the
> >> >> only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
> >> >> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's
> >> >> Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-al-
> >> >> iment/index_e.html
>
> >> >> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the
> >> >> rest of your body healthy enough to do what it can to
> >> >> both fight off the cancer, but also to heal from the
> >> >> side effects of treatment.
>
> >> > There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
> >> > belong.
>
> >> Usenet is funny like that :)
>
> >> --
> >> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
> >> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison
> >> site across Canada.
>
> > We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC),
> > but I have a question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really
> > the best way to get the blood sugar levels up? My GP told
> > me that potatoes raise blood sugar faster than table
> > sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded glucose (or
> > something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
> > packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems
> > like a couple of those in a purse would last a long time,
> > and provide a very quick sugar boost when needed. But
> > maybe I'm missing something important, as I'm not diabetic
> > and have no training in this.
>
> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice,
> now: Rubbing sugar into the sides of her mouth brought
> her blood sugar up both times, in the space of five
> minutes, after which orange juice, followed by solid food
> got her stable.
>
> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened,
> her blood sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time
> the paramedics arrived (It happened at school) - They
> administered glucagon into her thigh immediately, which, of
> course, brought her right back up (followed by the requisite
> four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>
> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly
> don't know), but when they're unconcious, you need to get it
> into the blood stream as quickly as possible - If not direct
> injection (i.e. glucagon), then rubbing sugar/icing into the
> sides of the inside of their mouth works best (Keeping in
> mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them to swallow
> anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>
> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar
> control/diet so that it doesn't happen in the first place :)
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
> across Canada.

Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I *did*
miss something important---unconsciousness. I'm surprised that
table sugar is much good, as I thought it (sucrose) was a
fructose bonded to a glucose, and therefore would take some
digestion. If that happens quickly, in the mouth, I guess it's
not an issue. My understanding is that the exercise gels are
glucose, so they still seem a safe, convenient option. The gel
packs specially designed for this purpose, with tongue
depressors, sound like an even better way to go. I'm glad I
don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did, I'd keep a
few of those handy.

---
CSM

[D. C. Sess]

In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03613@d21g2000prf.-
googlegroups.com>, csm7532@hotmail.com wrote:

> The gel packs specially designed for this purpose, with
> tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go.  I'm
> glad I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I did,
> I'd keep a few of those handy.

I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at all
times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but people I
patrol with _have_ -- and not on the hill. In all seriousness,
it can save someone's life at totally unexpected times.

In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it, and
ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.) I put
sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as "don't leave
home without it" supplies.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

[csm7532]

On Mar 13, 10:09 am, "D. C. Sessions"
<d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <3740854c-1f2a-4499-ae3a-e97dcac03...@d21g2000pr-
> f.googlegroups.com>, csm7...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The gel packs specially designed for this purpose, with
> > tongue depressors, sound like an even better way to go.
> > I'm glad I don't have to deal with this problem, but if I
> > did, I'd keep a few of those handy.
>
> I'm a ski patroller, and we're required to carry them at all
> times. In ten years I've never needed to use it, but people
> I patrol with _have_ -- and not on the hill. In all
> seriousness, it can save someone's life at totally
> unexpected times.
>
> In training we heard of one case where a woman who likes
> sweetened coffee always carried some sugar packets for it,
> and ended up saving a life on a (bus? something like that.)
> I put sugar packets right up with a pack of gloves as "don't
> leave home without it" supplies.
>
> --
> |The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com>
> ----------+

Sorry for the late response, but I missed your post somehow.
I tried the glucose gel packs from a bike shop and didn't
like them much (I just use extra-strength *orade), but now I
think I'll get a few and keep them handy, just in case. I
hope I never encounter someone going through insulin shock,
but if I do, it would be great to be prepared. I hope yours
remain unused.

---
CSM

[Marshall P]

Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> Homenet <Edward.Stanyer@googlemail.com> fell face-first on
> the keyboard. This was the result: news:d69965e4-e07e-4e2c--
> b34d-9712b7765a2e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 9, 2:19 am, "D. C. Sessions"
>> <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>>> In message <e02e8536-edb3-40c1-b656-c370a5e32...@p73g2000-
>>> hsd.googlegroups.com>, 8281...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do benign tumors exhibit increased glucose uptake as
>>>> well, would it be suggested for child to limit sugar
>>>> consumption, change clinic ?
>>> If you really want to stop the tumor growth, load up on
>>> insulin and stop all caloric intake. That should reduce
>>> blood glucose to the point of completely stopping the
>>> tumors.
>>>
>>> It will also kill the child, but nothing is perfect.
>>>
>>> Bottom line: blood glucose is absolutely essential for
>>> life. Tumors are better at getting it from the bloodstream
>>> than health tissue. By the time you reduce blood glucose
>>> to the point of materially affecting tumors, you've
>>> lowered it to the point where healthy organ systems
>>> (think: central nervous) are in *really* bad shape.
>>>
>>> --
>>> |The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!"
>>> | |
>>> | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
>>> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com>
>>> ----------+
>> a very uneffective treatment as you can see!
>>
>
> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> experience with this :)
>
> "Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't
> just the sugars that is turned into blood glucose (which is,
> indeed, the basic fuel for everything in the body), but all
> carbohydrates.
>
> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
> two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you
> can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy -
> Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/foo-
> d-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
> your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off
> the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
> treatment.

I cured some kind of growth (I thought it was an actinic
keratosis, but perhaps it was a basal cell granuloma?, or
something) on my temple recently by following advice I found
either at "Doctor Yourself" or "Orthomolecular.org" (I forget
which), but it was simple: I applied pure ascorbic acid to it
three times a day. It was gone in about three days!

The article I found sounded kind of quack-ish, but even the
most scholarly of scientists can have trouble writing
dispassionately when they know they're onto something.

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[D. C. Sess]

In message <13ucoq9p215nr7f@corp.supernews.com>, Marshall
Price wrote:

> They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I
> recall correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for
> Valentine's Day (with little slogans on them) are pretty
> much the same thing, aren't they? And Necco wafers?

No, they're sucrose. However, they work nicely since sucrose
hydrolyzes to fructose and glucose so it still gets the stuff
to the patient pretty quickly.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

[Marshall P]

D. C. Sessions wrote:
> In message <13ucoq9p215nr7f@corp.supernews.com>, Marshall
> Price wrote:
>
>> They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I
>> recall correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for
>> Valentine's Day (with little slogans on them) are pretty
>> much the same thing, aren't they? And Necco wafers?
>
> No, they're sucrose. However, they work nicely since sucrose
> hydrolyzes to fructose and glucose so it still gets the
> stuff to the patient pretty quickly.
>

Maybe they're just good because the crystals in them are
smaller than in ordinary table sugar.

Isn't there some common candy that is mostly glucose?

--
Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c

[Marshall P]

csm7532@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2:22 pm, Marc Bissonnette
> <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>> csm7...@hotmail.com fell face-first on the keyboard. This
>> was the result:news:2988aee3-979e-42c3-b3c0-0c2a9eb2574d@h-
>> 11g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 10:31 am, Marc Bissonnette
>>> <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote:
>>>> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> fell face-first
>>>> on the keyboard. This was the
>>>> result:news:nc5la5-bi.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com:
>>>>> In message
>>>>> <Xns9A5E8290FDDA8dragnetinternalys...@216.196.97.131>,
>>>>> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>>>>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
>>>>>> little experience with this :)
>>>>> Well, that disqualifies you right there. Appreciation
>>>>> for parents of Type I kids; my brother's oldest is now
>>>>> at the point where he can (and does, nicely) manage his
>>>>> own sugar balance. It's a slog to get there, but two
>>>>> 40ish cow-orkers are living testimony that you can get
>>>>> there still quite healthy. Tip from an EMT: along with
>>>>> the alert bracelet, make a point of having her always
>>>>> have a glucose tube in her purse with instructions.
>>>> She's still a little young to carry a purse, but either
>>>> my wife or I always have something with us, in case of a
>>>> low (Juice, tube of icing, etc) - I've *got* to get her
>>>> one of those Medic-Alert bracelets, though: Thanks for
>>>> the reminder.
>>>>>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in
>>>>>> cancer (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been
>>>>>> diagnosed less than two months ago), I would say the
>>>>>> only reat dietary thing you can do for cancer, once
>>>>>> you've got it, is to eat healthy - Follow Canada's Food
>>>>>> Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/-
>>>>>> index_e.html and get some decent excercise - In effect,
>>>>>> keep the rest of your body healthy enough to do what it
>>>>>> can to both fight off the cancer, but also to heal from
>>>>>> the side effects of treatment.
>>>>> There you go with sensible advice. You *REALLY* don't
>>>>> belong.
>>>> Usenet is funny like that :)
>>>> --
>>>> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
>>>> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison
>>>> site across Canada.
>>> We're really getting off topic here (at least for ASC),
>>> but I have a question. Is juice/candy/icing/etc. really
>>> the best way to get the blood sugar levels up? My GP told
>>> me that potatoes raise blood sugar faster than table
>>> sugar, because their starch is loosely bonded glucose (or
>>> something to that effect). What about those glucose gel
>>> packets sold for exercise, like at bike shops? It seems
>>> like a couple of those in a purse would last a long time,
>>> and provide a very quick sugar boost when needed. But
>>> maybe I'm missing something important, as I'm not diabetic
>>> and have no training in this.
>> Well, my daughter's gone into a hypo-glycemic coma twice,
>> now: Rubbing sugar into the sides of her mouth brought her
>> blood sugar up both times, in the space of five minutes,
>> after which orange juice, followed by solid food got her
>> stable.
>>
>> Actually, to be more accurate: The first time it happened,
>> her blood sugar was 0.8 and I got it up to 1.9 by the time
>> the paramedics arrived (It happened at school) - They
>> administered glucagon into her thigh immediately, which, of
>> course, brought her right back up (followed by the
>> requisite four hours of nausea and vomiting)
>>
>> Potatoes may well raise it faster if ingested (I honestly
>> don't know), but when they're unconcious, you need to get
>> it into the blood stream as quickly as possible - If not
>> direct injection (i.e. glucagon), then rubbing sugar/icing
>> into the sides of the inside of their mouth works best
>> (Keeping in mind they're unconcious, so trying to get them
>> to swallow anything raises all sorts of choking hazards).
>>
>> Of course, the *best* method is good blood sugar
>> control/diet so that it doesn't happen in the first
>> place :)
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette Looking for a new
>> ISP?http://www.canadianisp.com Largest ISP comparison site
>> across Canada.
>
> Thanks, Marc & D. C. for the responses. It looks like I
> *did* miss something important---unconsciousness. I'm
> surprised that table sugar is much good, as I thought it
> (sucrose) was a fructose bonded to a glucose, and therefore
> would take some digestion. If that happens quickly, in the
> mouth, I guess it's not an issue. My understanding is that
> the exercise gels are glucose, so they still seem a safe,
> convenient option. The gel packs specially designed for this
> purpose, with tongue depressors, sound like an even better
> way to go. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this problem,
> but if I did, I'd keep a few of those handy.
>
> ---
> CSM

They used to sell glucose tablets in drug stores, but if I
recall correctly, the little candy hearts they sell for
Valentine's Day (with little slogans on them) are pretty much
the same thing, aren't they? And Necco wafers?

--
Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a little
> experience with this :)
>
> "Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't
> just the sugars that is turned into blood glucose (which is,
> indeed, the basic fuel for everything in the body), but all
> carbohydrates.

For type 1s, protein also raises blood glucose, albeit more
slowly and inefficiently.

>
> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
> two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing you
> can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat healthy -
> Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/foo-
> d-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>
> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
> your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight off
> the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
> treatment.
>
>

Many cancers are closely associated with high insulin levels,
or hyperinsulinemia. Lowering insulin requirements, whether
endogenous or exogenous, would be an excellent idea. Lowering
carbs by cutting out starches and sugars and limiting them to
colorful, leafy, high fiber veggies would be a healthy
intervention, along with relying more on protein and fat for
less metabolic and oxidative stress.

Two supplements worth researching for cancer fighting and
treatment are IP6 (inositol hexaphosphate) and vitamin D3,
both of which have quite a lot of good, peer reviewed
scientific support.

Susan

[Marshall P]

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> Hmph. My daughter is a type I diabetic, so I've got a
>> little experience with this :)
>>
>> "Limiting sugars" wouldn't be of any help, since it isn't
>> just the sugars that is turned into blood glucose (which
>> is, indeed, the basic fuel for everything in the body), but
>> all carbohydrates.
>
> For type 1s, protein also raises blood glucose, albeit more
> slowly and inefficiently.
>
>> While I am far, far from anything of an expert in cancer
>> (Hell, I'm a complete newb, having been diagnosed less than
>> two months ago), I would say the only reat dietary thing
>> you can do for cancer, once you've got it, is to eat
>> healthy - Follow Canada's Food Guide http://www.hc-sc.gc.c-
>> a/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index_e.html
>>
>> and get some decent excercise - In effect, keep the rest of
>> your body healthy enough to do what it can to both fight
>> off the cancer, but also to heal from the side effects of
>> treatment.
>>
>>
>
> Many cancers are closely associated with high insulin
> levels, or hyperinsulinemia. Lowering insulin requirements,
> whether endogenous or exogenous, would be an excellent idea.
> Lowering carbs by cutting out starches and sugars and
> limiting them to colorful, leafy, high fiber veggies would
> be a healthy intervention, along with relying more on
> protein and fat for less metabolic and oxidative stress.
>
> Two supplements worth researching for cancer fighting and
> treatment are IP6 (inositol hexaphosphate) and vitamin D3,
> both of which have quite a lot of good, peer reviewed
> scientific support.

Here's a link to a recent "Science News" article, "Weighty
Evidence," that you may find informative:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20080216/bob9.asp

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Marshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c