This, That and PP Chat for March '08

[lisaz8605]

Can you believe we're already in March? What the heck happened to February??? I have a TWO MONTH OLD baby now...and a bigger waistline than I'd hoped.

So I finally posted my "revised before" pictures and it was SO difficult. I was so depressed, but it's all part of acceptin and being accountable. So here I am at the same weight when I started my weight loss journey 2 1/2 years ago. Talk about "starting over"! But at least this time I have the tools waiting for me.

I've decided to go HF style because I was very successful with that before and because I need food that will do the "slow burn" and hold me for a LONG time. Trying to care for my mom and my son while maintaining the house and keeping up with business responsibilities means little chance for eating. (During his naps, which are still sporadic and uncertain I always have to choose literally 1-2 things to get done...and unfortunately biz communication often wins out! Though Ian has been in a Baby Bjorn while I've cooked myself an omelet - Mommy's GOT to eat!) It's a bit like Larry's approach to morning meal...lots of fat and good protein and it'll hold you most of the day.

I see we have some new folks in the PP section and also previous PPers coming back as well as keeping tabs and answering questions (those that have been doing this twice as long as I've even known about it!). It's really good to have the support. :) Wish me luck and I'll try to keep checking in as often as my schedule will allow!

[ruthla]

No, it can't possibly be March yet, and you're supposed to have a 1 week old baby! :lol:

My son was really funny on the 29th. When I told him it was Leap Day, he decided he had to leap at least once that day. Then he decided to leap 29 times since it was the 29th of Feb. Then he wanted to get 28 other "friends" to also leap 29 times each. We made about 4 stuffed animals leap 29 times, but then he had to get to school and he forgot all about the counting by the time he came home.

With his inspiration, I leaped once. That was enough for my old body! :lol:

[lisaz8605]

That's HYSTERICAL! I love how literal children are - such fun! Good for you for leaping. I supposed I was inclined to tell someone to take a "flying leap" but that's about it. <smirk>

[MamaSara6]

I didn't even think about leaping on leap day. :blush:Neither did my 6 yo DD! Maybe I'll make up for it and leap 29 times today---since I haven't done my workout and Dr. Mike would totally approve of leaping as an exercise! :lol:

I'm doing the high fat thing myself. Plugging everything into fitday as faithfully as possible. I know it's unreasonable to lose a lb. a day, but I'd sure like to for at least 2 weeks! I'm getting ready to make myself a protein shake with lots of coconut oil in it! :yum:

Lisa, great job on posting the pics of yourself. And your little guy is adorable! Even though I'm still basically at my postpartum weight, the good news is that LC has changed my shape so I'm no longer so apple-y. I'm sure it's hard taking care of Mom and Ian at the same time, but maybe not much different than 2 children. She's lucky to have you!

[lisaz8605]

Sara, I am updating Fitday faithfully again. I think having a weekly weigh-in only helps. I also took my measurements because your point about body SHAPE is well taken. I would definitely say that from LCing and exercising like I did that - even with the effects of pregnancy - my shape is still much different than when I started (even though both numbers are the same).


Thanks for the compliments on my wee one! I'm biased but I do this he's super cute. And yeah, I'm trying so hard not to whine, but I am very challenged to take care of Mom and Ian. It's a little bit like two children...in some ways better, some worse. With Mom it's like having a child that can manage to get breakfast on her own, dress herself (but needs help bathing, for safety's sake as well as confusion) and entertain herself, and is willing and desirous to do simple tasks around the house as long as you supervise. So all that is good. But she also has bills to pay, medicine to keep track of, doctor's appointments to oversee, taxes to prepare and a house to sell and other administrative things as well as some chauffering (I'm trying to promote her social life so she goes to the senior center a good bit). So...maybe like a college student living at home? <chuckle> I dunno. The senior category is an interesting one! We are lucky to have each other. That woman sacrificed more than I could describe over the years to ensure I had a good life. It's my turn to care for her. It's difficult to be sure, but I'd have it no other way.

It's especially unique to be in this position with my Mom AND have a newborn, though. I think it might be why we'll only have one child, but that's another topic for another day and another thread!

Sooooooo....the protein shake sounds really yummy. Did you post what kind of protein you use on the other thread? I'm about to go look. I am taking CO softgels but I think I'll get back to using the actual oil. How do you mix it in with the shake so it doesn't glob up? Please share your tips!

[MamaSara6]

:lol: No tips on keeping the CO from globbing up! Today it was full of coconut chunks, but not yesterday. The difference between today's and yesterday's is that I used ice today. Yesterday, just room temp. coffee, no ice. I just use the giant whey from Costco.

[ruthla]

Ugh. I'm so mad at myself- I pigged out on baked ziti the other night, and now I'm still feeling the effects of all that dairy (it was made with rice pasta, so at least I'm not dealing with dairy AND gluten poisening!)

Obviously, the carbs I ate that night will screw up weight loss, but I can't beleive I let myself eat so much cow's milk dairy- I should have known better! I need to eat extra-clean for a few days or weeks to get past this (and I could use more painkillers too, but I really don't want to go that route. And anyway, I'm not sure if my rheumatologist will increase my meds over the phone and by the time I could see him again I should be detoxed.)

So much for testing my reaction to gluten-free oats (if I could locate them.) At this point, I think I'll order the oat matzahs for Passover, and then seek out GF oat flour if and only if I tolerate oats well enough to be able to eat 2 small slices of oat bread a week (right now I make a rice flour based challah for Shabbos, and have about one slice each on Friday night and Saturday, oat challahs would replace this PLUS enable me to get rid of the wheat challahs the rest of the family eats, eliminating the risk of cross contamination.)

[MamaSara6]

Wow, how complicated is your kitchen, Ruth, with kosher/non-kosher and gluten/gluten-free? I think the stress of that might cause me to OD on some forbidden dairy too! Sorry, I know it's not funny that you're suffering from your indulgence. I have to wonder why it is so hard for us to treat ourselves right and stay away from the toxins. I have a friend who is actually very good about it---skinny as a rail---and very disciplined. She often doesn't eat much at social events.

I hope you feel better soon!

[LarryAJ]

Hi Everyone,

Just thought I would pop in here with these, http://forum.lowcarber.org/gallery/files/8/5/3/3/5/P_Kitty9onStalk.JPG
for you to enjoy. :D

Larry

[lisaz8605]

Beautiful! Thanks, Larry!!

[deirdra]

While driving to work on Leap Day, the CBC radio announcer just had to mention that those of us on annual salaries weren't getting paid to work the extra day - I was tempted to keep driving!

[ruthla]

How's everybody doing today?

My 6yo threw up twice last night and once this morning, and I'm completely dragging today since I was already fighting something off and then he messed up my sleep.

It's easy to go for the simple carbs when I feel crappy, but I'm trying to avoid that. I was going to have a bowl of gluten-free cereal with almond milk, but then decided to have some fried eggs instead. I think I made the right choice- I'm more dizzy than nauseated today, I think my nausea is from hunger and lack of sleep, not from catching what DS has.

[ruthla]

I'm feeling a lot better today, and so is my son.

I'm really proud of myself- I stuck to the plan all day yesterday even though I felt really crappy. The absolute hardest part was breakfast- I was craving cereal and milk but I made eggs for myself instead.

At dinnertime, I discovered that egg drop soup is every bit as comforting as chicken soup with rice!

And I'm down another pound this morning. :)

[snowgirl73]

Do you make your own egg-drop soup, or purchase from a Chinese restaurant? I love egg-drop, but wonder if the restaurant version has any carbs that the home-made stuff might not? It is a good, on-the-go food to pick up & I will be doing some traveling soon. Any other ideas for good foods while on the road?
Congrats on being another pound down, Ruth!

[ruthla]

I'm on too many dietary (and budget!) restrictions to order any food from restaurants.

I heated up some home made chicken broth, and added in 2 raw eggs and cooked them in the soup, rather than heating it up with leftover brown rice.

[petra65]

Larry-seeing those flowers from you was enough to make me register for this site. :D I was asking for you. Nice to "see" some of my old friends again.

[ruthla]

Well, it's Purim today and we make hamentashen with plenty of sugar and regular jam!

I'm still not over that GI upset. Fats lead to diarhea. :( So I'm not sure how I'll be able to stick to LC if I can't eat fat without discomfort- I'm praying that my ability to digest fats comes back before my appetite picks up. I had some gallbladder pain today after eating fried eggs. I'd thought my gallbladder was completely healed at this point, but I guess not.

On a positive note, my weight yesterday was down 3.5 lbs from the week before- but I'm guessing some of that is illness-related dehydration. I think I avoided PMS bloating though. ;)

[petra65]

Ruth-when is Passover? I thought Passover and Easter almost always occur in the same week?

[LarryAJ]

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When Arron’s board withered up and became dormant, I thought I would never hear from you again. :( It is so GREAT to have you register here and post. I see you moved from Pennsylvania to Mississippi. Job change or ??? How come you wandered out of “oneder land”? Stick around here and see if we can help. The group here is small but VERY NICE. You might read this thread (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=365685) to see if it might help. ElleH was a regular on the old Eades board, eatprotein.com, before it was hacked and went down forever. Don’t think she ever “found” Arron’s board, so you may not know of her.
Larry-seeing those flowers from you was enough to make me register for this site. :D I was asking for you. Nice to "see" some of my old friends again. I am SO glad you did, AND since you liked the orchid, here is one JUST for you.....
http://forum.lowcarber.org/gallery/files/8/5/3/3/5/White.JPG

[lisaz8605]

Happy Easter and Passover all you PPers! I just love this time of year...new beginnings, rebirth, fresh starts, growing and changing...it's so symbolic and so encouraging, especially as the better weather comes with it. Happy Spring! Here's to good health to you all...

[petra65]

Yes Larry, I know Elle. She and I talked quite a bit on the old board. I saw here name on here too. I'll check out that thread.

Me and onderland........Well, yes, I got a new job, sold my house, bought a new one, one of my dogs died.........fell off the wagon but here I am again. I have been going to the new PP board but it isn't the same. I commented over there that I missed you. Randy told me I might find you here. Do you still eat sardines every day?

Love the orchids. I tried to grow one once but I'm not usually good with inside plants. I do very well with my outside garden. Getting used to the new climate here has been a challenge. A lot of my new plants didn't fare so well last year because I haven't quite learned what grows best in this soil, sun conditions etc. Full sun in MS and full sun in PA are definately not the same thing!

Happy Easter and Passover to everyone. This has always been a good time of year for me to start weight loss programs. It must be something about that whole rebirth thing.

[petra65]

Larry-I checked out that thread. I didn't read all 61 pages of it. So far, I'm still happy with PP in it's original format. My plan at this point is to try it as written. It I get stuck I will move from hedonist to more purist eating to see what is stalling me first before I try any more drastic measures. If I'm still having problems, I'll try something else. Sound like a reasonable plan?

[LarryAJ]

Yes Larry, I know Elle. She and I talked quite a bit on the old board. I saw here name on here too. I'll check out that thread.

Me and onderland........Well, yes, I got a new job, sold my house, bought a new one, one of my dogs died.........fell off the wagon but here I am again. I have been going to the new PP board but it isn't the same. So sorry about your dog. I decided after Timmy, The Timid, had to be put down because of a ruptured disk, that I just could not go through that again. So I had planned to have no more pets, until some JERK (being nice :rolleyes: ) dumped out a cat that took up residence in my barn. Very long story short - she presented me with three kittens that I got the cat rescue people to place for me, THANK GOODNESS! There was no chance for her to get placed, so she is spayed and an outside cat, even though she was obviously raised inside. I have a DIL that is allergic to cats, plus put up with cat hair for over twenty years, so do not want to go through that again.
I commented over there that I missed you. Randy told me I might find you here. Do you still eat sardines every day? Yes, I am sitting here finishing up my breakfast of sardines. Here is a post about my breakfast (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost.php?p=6807558&postcount=984) that will give you my macroneutrent counts for it. Love the orchids. I tried to grow one once but I'm not usually good with inside plants. I do very well with my outside garden. Getting used to the new climate here has been a challenge. A lot of my new plants didn't fare so well last year because I haven't quite learned what grows best in this soil, sun conditions etc. Full sun in MS and full sun in PA are definitely not the same thing! Oh, orchids are easy, if I can do it. There are a few key things to do. ONE, be patient, the branch secretary (that got me started) gave me two orchids when I retired in Feb. 2003. One finally bloomed last year and again this year, the other still has not. :( TWO, repot new orchids immediately - I do not like the sphagnum moss that they are potted in from the nursery, it holds too much moisture next to the roots and makes them prone to rotting. I repot in a bark mix made especially for orchids. AND put them in clay pots not plastic. I like the shorter, fatter azalea pots, but also use the orchid pots with the slits in the sides. THREE, water once a week (or a suitable time depending upon how dry the air is, in the house where they are) by soaking the whole pot in a larger container where you can fill it so the water level is near the top of the pot. I soak mine for at least an hour and have sometimes got busy and left them in for five hours. Let them drain well when you lift them out of the soaking container. Then lightly spritz (finest mist you can get from a recycled spray cleaner - well rinsed- bottle or something similar) the leaves and exposed roots every day - I sometimes do it morning and night as I am checking on them, especially if they are growing a bloom stalk. I have to rotate the plant/pot to keep the stalk growing up straight. Otherwise it will bend excessively toward the window - light.
Larry-I checked out that thread. I didn't read all 61 pages of it. So far, I'm still happy with PP in it's original format. My plan at this point is to try it as written. It I get stuck I will move from hedonist to more purist eating to see what is stalling me first before I try any more drastic measures. If I'm still having problems, I'll try something else. Sound like a reasonable plan? Yes, But PP/PPLP is really a high/higher fat plan. Someplace (should have bookmarked it!!) Dr. Mike said that they dare not say that because that would have immediately stopped to book from being published. So the brainwashing of the last thirty years has been so effective that even you have aversions to a high fat diet.

However lets look at the numbers. From PPLP, the highest protein minimum is 46 grams per meal per day, or 138 grams. Then let us allow a 50% excess, so that is 207 grams. This is 828 calories. Then if you allow 100 grams of carbohydrates, a level which is on the cusp of being too much for weight loss, since Dr. Mike blogged about the body need something like 150 grams of glucose in the blood per day to feed the red blood cells plus the few in the brain stem, kidneys, and ?forgot the other? that have no mitichondria which is necessary to metabolize fat, that is another 400 calories. Most sources use at least 1800 calories as the basic metabolic requirement. SO the remaining calories MUST be made up from fat, as that is the one remaining macro nutrient. The leaves 572 calories to come from fat, or only 64 grams of fat. BUT at that level of carbohydrates, it is a stretch to be called a PP/PPLP diet.

SO if you make carbohydrates in the 30 gram range and keep protein at the minimum, then you will need 1800 - 120 - 552 = 1128 calories, more than half of the required 1800, not low fat by any means! And if you use a more likely protein minimum of 34 grams per meal, then there is only 408 calories, not 552, leaving another 144 calories (16 grams) of fat to make up the energy lost by the reduced protein. That is then 70% fat.

PP/PPLP, even at a very hedonistic level, still needs a third of the calories from fat. But at more realistic values of carbohydrate and protein, the fat level gets to 50% easily. Most of the ladies on the High-Fatters thread are loosing quite well with high levels of fat, which I consider WELL within the PP/PPLP guide lines, so that is why I thought you should look at it and think about whether or not it might help you also.

[LessLiz]

I eat "low fat" PPLP, which means I come in at about 60% fat per day. I do not see how one can realistically eat less than that. However, if I do the high fatting thing shooting for 80% then I get incredibly sick.

[ruthla]

Ruth-when is Passover? I thought Passover and Easter almost always occur in the same week?
The Jewish calendar varies each year- it's shorter than the Gregorian calendar, but then there's an extra month every leap year (it's a lunar calendar so adding in an extra day every 4 years won't work!)

So, every year Passover gets earlier and earlier, then it's a leap year and everything bumps up a month, then each year it's a little earlier than the year before...

This year is a leap year, so Purim (the 14th of the Jewish month of Adar) was this past Thursday night and Friday, and Passover (starts on the 14th of Nissan, one month after Adar) isn't until next month. I don't have the exact date in front of me but it's in appoxiomately 4 weeks.

[petra65]

Larry-I'm not adverse to the fat. In fact, today from my Fitday log I've eat 151 grams of fat and it says that is 72% of my diet. The premise of her thread is to aim for 80%. I don't aim for a particular amount of fat, it just turns out to be whatever it is. Fitday says that for the past week, I've averaged 66% fat per day. My diet would definately be considered high fat, but not what she is espousing. I joined a challenge that has a goal weight for the first day of summer and I made my goal to be 199 for summer. That's 7 lbs a month for the next 3 monts. Ambitious but not impossible.

Larry, I can't tell you how nice it is to talk to you again.

Ruth, thanks for clarifying for that. Not sure I want to do this online but I will. My last name is actually Cohen(although you could probably find out if you wanted to know). However I was not raised by my biological parents so I'm not Jewish. I have tried to learn a fair about Judaism as an adult out of curiosity about my heritage. Isn't Purim the holiday where you are supposed to get drunk?

[ruthla]

Yup, Purim is the one where your'e supposed to "drink so much you can't tell the difference between "cursed be Haman" and "blessed be Mordechia'" but this year I actually didn't have any alcohol on Purim. Purim day was Friday and everything was rushed so i could get ready for Shabbat, and Thursday night there just wasn't too much served besides hamentashen and soda. They did have liquor there, next to the soda, but there wasnt' any wine so I didn't have any.

Had there been any diet coke I might have had some with rum in it, but the only beverages were sugary soda and tap water; I had a few sips of soda and drank filtered water at home.

[lkpetro]

Hey all, I'm not new to low carb, but have just started looking into PP after reading Dr. Eades blogs the last little bit. I am interested in looking into the program further. I don't do low carb for weight loss but rather to deal with chronic disease, I am also a competitive runner so I always struggle with finding a happy medium.

Right now I tend to stay between 10-30 grams carbs depending on the day. I just ordered my book but just have a few questions before I get it,

a) how do you figure out your protein min
b) is there a protein max, how is that determined
c) I believe you start with 30 grams carbs? correct? how is carb level determined
d) what is all this purist, hedonist lingo about

Sorry for the questions I tried to do a search but didn't really come up with anything productive

Thanks
Laura

[petra65]

Which book did you get?

In the original book-Protein Power, they give you a formula for figuring out your lean body mass and % body fat. You can then figure out what your protein minimum is based on your lean body mass and your activity level. They spell it all out. If you got Protein Power Lifeplan, they did the math for you and give you a table where you can just find out how much protein you need per meal based on your height and weight. There is no protein maximum.

The recommend less than 40 grams of net carbs (what they call effective carb content or ECC) for weight loss. They then give guidelines for transition and maintenance. The purist, hedonist, dilletante lingo comes from the Protein Power Lifeplan (PPLP) book where they talk about how strict you want to be in following the plan. A purist approach is basically paleo (no dairy, no grains, organic, etc.). Hedonist is anything goes as long as you meet the goals of the diet (protein minimum, <40ECC), and dilletante is in between-typically no grains, organic as much as possible, avoiding low carb convenience foods, no artificial sweeteners except stevia, etc. The more strict you want to be, the more you are likely to gain from the diet in terms of health benefits but any of these will likely work for weight loss.

If I left anything out-please add. Hope that gives you a quick overview.

[lisaz8605]

Hi Laura!

Glad you're checking out PP and that you have the book ordered. Let me see if I can offer some quick assistance so you can get moving in the right direction...

a) In PP there is a way to calculate (don't ask me off the top of my head!) and PPLP has a chart. Because you don't have sufficient stats listed I can't tell you for sure what yours would be according to the chart; however deductive reasoning would suggest you are probably in the low 100s for weight and would therefore need about 27g/meal. Any use of muscle and activity would definitely warrant that minimum if not a good bit more.
b) Others might be able to answer this better, because I honestly don't know the official answer...or if I read it, I forgot it. I think it's probably a pretty personal thing because everyone has their own levels, just like with carbs. My rule of thumb is probably not more than double and generally, not more than 50% more of my minimum. Obviously if I'm weight training the range and flexibility changes.
c) There are different levels of PP you decide...Intervention (first starting out) Transition and Maintenance. Intervention is <40 (7-10 per meal), Transition <60 and maintenance <80, 100, and 120 respectively over the course of three weeks (in a way like climbing the Atkins ladder). These are EFFECTIVE carbs (minus fiber) and the level you decide is really up to you and what you're trying to accomplish. Since you're already well within intervention levels, I'd suggest staying where you are comfortable and making sure you have sufficient PROTEIN which is the key. From there you can adjust accordingly.
d) I'm not sure which book you bought, but PPLP describes these. Simply put they are categories that suggest by their descriptive names how you approach the PPLP guidelines...I am, for example, a hedonist because I choose to have grains and other such foods that, by all PP accounts, are really best left alone. This feeds in beautifully to my fave thing about PP(LP) which is that you benefit on a sliding scale...if you follow the approach 70% you'll benefit that much. It's not an all or nothing thing and that is wonderful for motivating me when I get off course.

HTH - welcome and good luck!

[lkpetro]

Thank you so much for your quick answers petra and Lisa, I bought PPLP, from what you all are saying I would definitely be a purist, I am really excited to get the book and read more into it,

My stats are that I'm about 85# and 5'3'', I am very lean, pretty much all muscle and very little fat (my A cup don't lie :lol: ) and as I said very active.

Based on other things I have read I am guessing my min would most likely be around 80grams/day, does that seem about right.

And then with fat, do you just fill in with enough fat for satiety after you have determined your protein and carb level

on a side note, I am also in med school, which is another reason I am so interested in the Drs. Eades, they represent the type of Doctor I would one day like to become, open to new research, listening to patients, actually understanding the body and not just the propaganda...but i digress

[petra65]

According to the table in PPLP, you should be able to get away with 60 grams of protein if I am reading it correctly. It says in fine print at the bottom "women under 100 lbs use 20 grams/meal" so that would be you. Because you are very active, I would definately go above that.

I'm a physician. If you are comfortable telling us, where are you in med school? What year? I have mixed feelings about the Eades as physicians but that would be a very long discussion.

[lkpetro]

According to the table in PPLP, you should be able to get away with 60 grams of protein if I am reading it correctly. It says in fine print at the bottom "women under 100 lbs use 20 grams/meal" so that would be you. Because you are very active, I would definately go above that.

I'm a physician. If you are comfortable telling us, where are you in med school? What year? I have mixed feelings about the Eades as physicians but that would be a very long discussion.

just pm-ed you

[petra65]

Being new to this forum, I'm clueless about how to find a pm?

[lkpetro]

Being new to this forum, I'm clueless about how to find a pm?


ha,ha, it should show up in the top right hand corner of the screen under where it says Welcome petra65

[petra65]

nothing there.

[petra65]

I think I just found out why. You don't get pm priviledges until you have made 25 posts here. I won't be reading your message for a few days.

[lkpetro]

I think I just found out why. You don't get pm priviledges until you have made 25 posts here. I won't be reading your message for a few days.


That is too funny, that is ok, now you will just wait in anticipation,

Thanks for all of your help, now I'm just going to have to keep asking you questions to get your posting # up :)

[ruthla]

lkpetro- do you really weigh 0 pounds? ;)

I can't beleive I'm down to 166. I was stalled at 172/171 for months, then last week I was down to 167.5 but figured I was just dehydrated from being sick. But today I weighed myself and I'm even lighter than I was last week!

I should have figured the scale was about to move when I "outshrunk" my bras. Oh, and the way my underwear kept falling to my hips when I was walking last week should have been another indication. :lol:

I bought new underwear, but what can I do with the old ones? I can't really donate them anywhere, can I?

[petra65]

Ruth-old underwear make great dustrags.

[lisaz8605]

Fantastic loss, Ruth! You are kicking butt and taking names now - good for you!! As for the underwear, I think Petra's suggestion of dusting is about the best option other than tossing. I've been known to donate bras, but undies are different.

Petra, I suspect if you subscribed to this forum (paid) you'd probably get immediate PM privileget, but I can't say for sure. For now why now start a journal for yourself and then people can stop by and chat about more personal stuff there? Of course if it's really personal then PM is the way to go or e-mailing (you indicate IM handles and web sites in your contact info on your profile page). Oh wait, you're almost to the number of posts needed anyhow! LOL

Laura, Petra already told you that 60grams is your PP minimum and I agree, considering how active you are I'd definitely hit that and more each day to help maintain what sounds like such a strong and sculpted body. And then with fat, do you just fill in with enough fat for satiety after you have determined your protein and carb level Yes, that's perfect! You'll hear some of us discuss a "high fat" approach, but that's a personal preference for...just as you said...satiety. Your approach sounds just right for you!

[lkpetro]

Well I certainly hope I could eat more than 60 grams of protein per day, I think I would fall off the truck from starvation if my protein was that low, I currently eat around the 80-90 mark. I am so active and lose weight so easily I tend to fatigue very easily if I go much below 75. I hope this isn't a problem

Thank you all so much for your help, I'm sure I'll be asking more questions

[LessLiz]

No problem at all. PP talks about *minimum* protein requirements. You are fine eating more.

[ndelacourt]

Good Morning All!

I am new to PP....have been doing LC/Atkins on and off for 5 yrs now...ouch.....

I am hoping PP will be easier for me, as I cannot stomach all the fat on Atkins, and the lack of fruit.

I am hypothyroid/borderline diabetic and celiac, my DS and DH both have to be dairy free too....so our kitchen is a bit crazy here too......

I hope you all have a great day!
Natascha

[petra65]

You mean people pay for this forum? What would be the benefit of that?

[lisaz8605]

Natascha, welcome! I think PP is a great choice for people who are concerned about health first and foremost. Have you read the book (or books) yet?

Petra, paying is an option if you feel this site has benefitted you and you'd like to help out, not to mention get some more space for PMing or photos or whatever (keep in mind sometimes you want to keep records of the PMs and also write more than space allows, etc.). Mostly I think it's just about supporting (voluntarily) a place that has, for free, made a real impact in your life. I was here for awhile for free to check things out before I decided to contribute.

[ruthla]

You mean people pay for this forum? What would be the benefit of that?
I would guess to help support the forum so that others could benefit from it, plus I imagine you might get extras such as more room in your PM box. I don't know this for a fact, just guessing based on my knowledge of message boards in general. This board, for example, gives me room for 10 PMs, while on another board I'm allowed up to 50.

Also, if you want to get up to 25 posts quickly, head on over to "introductions" and welcome a few people.

I don't think that cotton/lycra panties with lace would make very good dustrags- if they were 100% cotton I think they'd work a lot better. Maybe I'll give them to the local for-profit thrift store- I've seen plenty of undies there before.

[ndelacourt]

Thanks for the welcome! yes, I read the books ...I need to re-read them.....and I have the comfort food cookbook somewhere...we've moved about 3 times in 3 years so I am still looking for a lot of my books!

I let the weak crappy feeling of the first couple of days get the better of me, and I had a couple of GF cookies....I forgot I ordered them, and they arrived in the mail today.....I was weak and wanted to try them......not worth cheating for.....most gf stuff isn't great....

Not sure what I am having for dinner.....DH is away for 2 weeks....and I am soooo tired.....I have a 6 yr old DS and an almost 3 yo DD, and a 7 week old puppy.......so I have a gf/df pizza for the kids.....(amy's rice crust/soy cheese with spinach pizza....thank God for those!) and maybe a big old omelet for me. Something easy.

Have a great evening!
Natascha

[lkpetro]

Thanks for the welcome! yes, I read the books ...I need to re-read them.....and I have the comfort food cookbook somewhere...we've moved about 3 times in 3 years so I am still looking for a lot of my books!

I let the weak crappy feeling of the first couple of days get the better of me, and I had a couple of GF cookies....I forgot I ordered them, and they arrived in the mail today.....I was weak and wanted to try them......not worth cheating for.....most gf stuff isn't great....

Not sure what I am having for dinner.....DH is away for 2 weeks....and I am soooo tired.....I have a 6 yr old DS and an almost 3 yo DD, and a 7 week old puppy.......so I have a gf/df pizza for the kids.....(amy's rice crust/soy cheese with spinach pizza....thank God for those!) and maybe a big old omelet for me. Something easy.

Have a great evening!
Natascha

Natascha, don't take this the wrong way when I say this, but why would you feed your children such crappy food like that when you yourself are now struggling with the aftermath of eating that exact same food. Don't set your children up for the same problems that you deal with. Start them on good habits now!

[LessLiz]

The benefit is that you are giving a small amount of money to help support the costs of hosting this website that is helpful to you. This forum is so active that the hosting costs have to be pretty significant.

[ndelacourt]

I know, I shouldn't give them that crap...I agree....and it's not an everyday thing.....I am more the cookie monster! LOL

[lkpetro]

Ok, so I have never really measured how much protein I eat but the last few days i have just to see a baseline of what I am at now. Some days I am around 80 or 90, but after a particularly hard workout I am way up there (for example today I was at 140, yikes!) Is this a problem? have the Drs. Eades discussed this at all in their blogs or books? my macronutrient breakdown tends to be about 50% fat 40% protein and 10 or less % carbs

[ruthla]

There's no maximum amount of protein- make sure you have at least the minimum amount of protein, don't go over on the carbs, and then have as much protein and fat as you need to feel satiated.

[lkpetro]

There's no maximum amount of protein- make sure you have at least the minimum amount of protein, don't go over on the carbs, and then have as much protein and fat as you need to feel satiated.


I know, I know 140 grams of protien just seems like alot for a 85# girl

[petra65]

It's fine. Your macronutrient breakdown looks about right.

[ruthla]

I know, I know 140 grams of protien just seems like alot for a 85# girl
But you're very active, right?

[lkpetro]

But you're very active, right?

Yes I run about 30 mile/week, cycle 50 miles/week, lift 3-4xweek, so yes active

[LessLiz]

All that protein will help your muscles repair themselves quickly. At least that's my observation. The first thing that happened when I started eating more protein is that I stopped experiencing sore muscles when I am unusually active. After that I realized that my cycling time for muscle groups recovering from resistance training was also lower.

I think that before PPLP I was chronically undereating protein.

Lisa, how's life with baby going?

[petra65]

Larry, where did you go?

[lisaz8605]

Hey Liz, thanks so much for asking! My little guy is growing like crazy (probably closing in on 13 pounds now) and is very strong. I am loving his muscle development. He's 12 weeks today and can hold his head up fairly well and when you pull him up by his arms he keeps his head up too. Plus he can kick like nobody's business. And he's so stinking cute. So far he's sleeping well at night and I'm working on daytime naps, but I hear month 4 is time for some issues so I'm cringing at backsliding after all this work. He's happy and healthy...and intense little boy who looks at everything but thankfully is also smiling quite a bit (especially at Mommy, yay). As for me, things got worse before they got better and sugar got the better of me. However as of Monday I've been eating VERY cleanly and also working out a little bit every day. It's not ideal, but it's a start!