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murrie
Sat, Feb-23-08, 08:08
Did anyone else see this article on MSNBC?


Why Carbs are the New Diet Craze (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23189188/)

Apparently certain high-carb foods such as potatoes contain resistant starch, which is supposed to decrease hunger, increase metabolism and fight cancer among other things. For me, the bloating, increased hunger and cravings I get when eating potatoes far outweigh any benefit of "resistant starch."

ReginaW
Sat, Feb-23-08, 08:12
Did anyone else see this article on MSNBC?


Why Carbs are the New Diet Craze (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23189188/)

Apparently certain high-carb foods such as potatoes contain resistant starch, which is supposed to decrease hunger, increase metabolism and fight cancer among other things. For me, the bloating, increased hunger and cravings I get when eating potatoes far outweigh any benefit of "resistant starch."

Mike Eades wrote about it....easier to post his words than reinvent the wheel!

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/resistant-starch/

Yesterday a reader sent me a film clip from ABC news about resistant starch. (Click here to view the video) In this film clip a young woman who is a registered dietitian (RD) spoke about the virtues of a “type of fiber” that she referred to as resistant starch. According to her, this substance can cure a multitude of ills.

There is a type of fiber called resistant starch that’s naturally found in some high carbohydrate foods.

And it’s amazing, the benefits. It ranges from helping us burn fat, helping us boost our immune system, control blood sugar, reduce the risk of type II diabetes and reduce the risk of cancer.


She’s really excited because, as she points out, there are over 160 studies showing the benefit of resistant starch.

Wow! Where do I sign up to get some? It sounds great. Or does it?

There are probably over 1600 studies showing the purported benefits of statin drugs, but we all know what those are. The 160 studies purporting to show benefit for resistant starch are probably in the same mold. Let’s forget about the studies right now and focus more on what we really know about starch and resistant starch to see how well this lady’s claims hold up to scientific scrutiny.

When asked about how resistant starch works, she claims that

it basically gets fermented in the digestive tract, and it creates beneficial fatty acids. One is called butyrate. And what that does is it helps to shut off the burning of carbohydrates. So carbohydrates are the preferred source of fuel, but if they can’t be burned, your body is going to turn to body fat and recently consumed fat instead.

All fiber goes through the digestive tract unabsorbed until it reaches the colon where it is acted upon by colonic bacteria (I suppose you could loosely call it fermented) that convert it to short chain fatty acids, one of which is butyrate (a four-carbon fat). These short chain fatty acids can be absorbed through the colon and used for energy just like any other fat.

So if butyrate “shuts off the burning of carbohydrates,” as our RD says it does, then wouldn’t it make sense to get as much of it as we can? And what happens to all that carbohydrate we don’t burn? Does it just continue to circulate in the blood running our blood sugar sky high? Or does it get stored as glycogen? Does butyrate encourage carbohydrates to head into storage? These are all questions she doesn’t address. Let me help clarify.

The list of foods containing resistant starch she mentions specifically are the following:

Beans
Potatoes
Barley
Corn
Brown rice
Under ripe bananas
She claims that these foods contain about 5 percent of their starch as resistant starch (which prety much agrees with other similar claims I’ve seen in the medical literature). If true, this means that 95 percent of the starch is not resistant starch and breaks down in the GI tract to glucose.

One half cup of any of these foods - so she says - contains all the resistant starch one needs to provide all the above benefits. Let’s take a look.

According to the USDA database if we consume a half cup of cooked potato we’ll end up with 12.9 grams of carbohydrate (almost three teaspoons), of which 10.5 grams are starch. If we go by our RD’s estimate that 5 percent of the total starch is resistant starch, we calculate that our half cup of potato contains about half a gram of resistant starch (0.5265 g to be exact). If we then convert this starch to butyrate we find that we have about 2.3 grams of butyrate (assuming 100 percent conversion to butyrate, which isn’t the case because some is converted to other short chain fatty acids).

So, we eat our half cup of cooked potato, and what do we get? We get almost three teaspoons of sugar and carb that convert almost immediately to glucose and head directly into the bloodstream. The blood volume of a person with a normal blood sugar contains about a teaspoon of sugar, which means that consuming the potato almost quadruples the amount of sugar in the blood. The pancreas then secretes insulin to drive this excess sugar into the cells. This extra insulin then does all the things excess insulin is famous (or infamous) for doing.

But what about the butyrate from the resistant starch? Oh yeah, the 2.3 grams of butyrate. I don’t see how the butyrate is going to do much to stop the insulin spike resulting from the ingestion of the sugars and starch from the non-resistant starch part of the potato. And even if butyrate really does all it is cracked up to do, we wouldn’t really need the potato with all its accessory easily absorbed carb because we can get the equivalent amount of butyrate from a single pat of butter. (Or almost the same - a pat of butter contains 1.45 g butyrate. Two pats of butter contain 3 g or about 1.5 times the amount generated by the resistant starch component of the potato.)

If the benefits of the resistant starch come from its conversion to butyrate as our RD avers, and if it requires the amount per day found in only one half cup of potato (or of the other foods she lists) as she also avers, then why not provide ourselves with one and a half times as much by eating a couple of pats of butter per day, which come without the extra three teaspoons of sugar? We get the butyrate without having to convert and we don’t get the extra carbs. Makes perfect sense to me.

Amazingly, our RD recommends adding the half cup of one of the resistant-fat-containing foods to the rest of whatever you’re eating that day. So, if you’re already on a ‘normal’ diet, i.e., one pretty high in carbs already, she is recommending that you add, say, a half cup of cooked potato to the mix so that you will ‘lose fat, reduce blood sugar, and lower insulin levels.’ Hmmm. Sounds a little snake oily. Sounds like she’s telling porkies.

While I’m at it, I have to mention one other little porky she tells during the interview. Says she

…and because resistant starch doesn’t get digested or absorbed it fills you up but you don’t get any calories from it.

Okay. Let me get this straight. First, she tells us that it converts to butyrate, a fat, which is absorbed and works miracles once it is absorbed. Second, she tells us that we don’t get any calories from it. Have I got that right?

She is correct in saying that resistant starch (as well as any other type of fiber) gets converted to short-chain fatty acids. And she is correct in saying that the short-chain fatty acids get absorbed. But when they do get absorbed, they contain 9 kcal per gram, just the same as any other fat. So they are not free of calories. That’s why fiber is counted in the total calorie count on nutritional labels. Fiber does make it’s way through the upper digestive tract without being absorbed, but it does get converted to fat and absorbed in the lower GI tract, i.e., the colon. So, I guess we could say she’s a fibber when it comes to fiber. At least in terms of its calorie content.

This brief discourse should put you off of resistant starch even without knowing what anti-nutrients are (resistant starch is an anti-nutrient), why they’re there and what they do. We’ll save that for a later post.

Now that you know the real story behind resistant starch, go back and watch the video to see how filled with misinformation it really is. Which also goes to show why you should never believe anything like this you see in a short spot on a news program without checking it out first.

chknwing
Sat, Feb-23-08, 12:06
I just cant do potatoes or any starches for that matter I blow up and feel terrible....lol

Wifezilla
Sat, Feb-23-08, 12:26
They more carbs stupid people eat, the more meat and fat will be left for us! Bwaa haa haa!

LessLiz
Sat, Feb-23-08, 14:08
Every time I read about a magical food that does everything but bring world peace (which it would no doubt do if everyone ate a lot of it!) I marvel at what people will believe. Resistant starch, gojo berries, pomegranate juice, grapefruit, coconut oil, cabbage soup, blueberries and raw almonds are a few of the foods on the current Magical Mystery Tour. I eat some of them but haven't yet turned into a fat burning machine, an immortal or even a superhero.

KiaKaha
Sat, Feb-23-08, 14:22
I love potatoes and would eat it out of preference to any carb I could choose. But my Blood Sugar tells one of its best stories when I eat them.

Healthy - what a joke.

Frankly Dieticians - What a joke! (Mainly)

If everyone lived with a blood sugar monitor and were able to see what happenned after consumption of various 'healthy' foods - potatoes, beans, brown rice - we wouldnt be in the boat we are in today.

CMCM
Sat, Feb-23-08, 14:32
Hmmm, well I remember reading an article which said a HUGE number of people think they are getting plenty of veggies because they eat....FRENCH FRIES.

I'd say the American diet has been plenty full of resistant carbs, and look at the results!

If I eat this stuff, it is NOT good for me. I bloat up, I feel AWFUL. I refuse to believe it has any redeeming value in contributing to my health, and I don't care which "expert" or which "study" tells me this.

cartersg1
Sat, Feb-23-08, 15:29
French fried make most "veggies" for kids. I picked up my DD from school last week (we all have streph) and we had to get her lunchbox. Now, I'm not the best at packing good lunches for her (no refrigeration) but I do a better job that the school lunch I saw. Hot dog, tator tots, cling peaches in syrup - yuck. I look at the menu and just cringe. I told her to argue with her teacher about yogurt being a "health food" - FULL of sugar. Read labels please. I'm sure that will prompt a parent-teacher conference next week. Cheers!

mone
Sat, Feb-23-08, 15:36
They more carbs stupid people eat, the more meat and fat will be left for us! Bwaa haa haa!

I second that, including the evil laugh :D

Delphoene
Sat, Feb-23-08, 22:33
I 1st heard the term "resistant starch" 11 years ago, when my local gym were offering a "fat loss course". The course was compiled by Weight Watchers and a couple of well known "fitness experts". It basically touted fat and fibre counting, instead of calorie counting, increasing "incidental excercise" and other "tricks" to improve metabolism. When I went on to study the associated "Fat Loss Leaders' Handbook", I found out, as I had suspected, that this was merely a "clever" way to get people to reduce their calories and increase their activity, without feeling as if they were doing so. Just how stupid did they think we all were?

joedoro
Sun, Feb-24-08, 21:10
But she's a R.D. so we have to believe it.

rightnow
Sun, Feb-24-08, 21:51
I really don't like prejudice. When I observe it in myself, I try to seek out and destroy it. I read books or go out of my way to meet people to try and counteract that in myself.

But I'm truly starting to consider anybody who claims to be a nutritionist to be miseducated to the point of idiocy.

I work for a college textbook publishing company and nutrition is one of the academic disciplines I handle. You understand why these people are so stupid, right? Because they are overtly educated to be that way, and you can't become a nutritionist without the indoctrination of the generation before. If you do not answer on your tests that lowcarbing is unhealthy and carbs are required for the brain, you don't do well. This has essentially built-in a REQUIREMENT that people getting degrees in nutrition either have to openly lie on tests and make a good portion of their degree a lie, so they can work in a field full of things they totally disagree with -- how many people can do that?? -- or it pre-solves the problem by stripping out anybody who won't agree to that party line at the school point before the credential.

I'm starting to look at nutritionists like the 'moneychangers at the temple' in those old biblical stories (and I am not even religious LOL) -- some kind of middleman that essentially hurts the public in the name of helping them. That they are just forcibly-ignorant rather than badly intended is a consideration when wondering whether we should imprison them (LOL) but really is no consideration when it comes to whether or not it is genuinely dangerous to society at large to have an established 'authority' with a million pens all suggesting people eat in a way that will gradually kill them.

PJ

rightnow
Sun, Feb-24-08, 21:53
By the way.

Recommending we eat potatoes because a smidgeon of it converts to butyrate, is rather like recommending people eat marijuana brownies because it contains an herb.

PJ

joedoro
Mon, Feb-25-08, 08:19
I really don't like prejudice. When I observe it in myself, I try to seek out and destroy it. I read books or go out of my way to meet people to try and counteract that in myself.

But I'm truly starting to consider anybody who claims to be a nutritionist to be miseducated to the point of idiocy.

I work for a college textbook publishing company and nutrition is one of the academic disciplines I handle. You understand why these people are so stupid, right? Because they are overtly educated to be that way, and you can't become a nutritionist without the indoctrination of the generation before. If you do not answer on your tests that lowcarbing is unhealthy and carbs are required for the brain, you don't do well. This has essentially built-in a REQUIREMENT that people getting degrees in nutrition either have to openly lie on tests and make a good portion of their degree a lie, so they can work in a field full of things they totally disagree with -- how many people can do that?? -- or it pre-solves the problem by stripping out anybody who won't agree to that party line at the school point before the credential.

I'm starting to look at nutritionists like the 'moneychangers at the temple' in those old biblical stories (and I am not even religious LOL) -- some kind of middleman that essentially hurts the public in the name of helping them. That they are just forcibly-ignorant rather than badly intended is a consideration when wondering whether we should imprison them (LOL) but really is no consideration when it comes to whether or not it is genuinely dangerous to society at large to have an established 'authority' with a million pens all suggesting people eat in a way that will gradually kill them.

PJ

Great comments

KvonM
Mon, Feb-25-08, 08:21
regina, thanks for reposting that eades blog. i knew that article was blowing smoke, i just wasn't sure up which orifice.

tom sawyer
Mon, Feb-25-08, 08:25
By the way.

Recommending we eat potatoes because a smidgeon of it converts to butyrate, is rather like recommending people eat marijuana brownies because it contains an herb.

PJ

Sounds good to me.

I think I'll get my butyrate from butter. I think there's around 3% of it in there, stuck on a glycerol backbone of course. That is a similar level to what is supposedly coming from fiber, without the nasty carbs.

Rose1942
Sat, Mar-01-08, 14:55
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23189188/

When my friend sent me this article I thought for sure I would be unimpressed. However, reading it, it is rather exciting in that if what they say is true, it could mean that potatoes and brown rice and certain legumes are not necessarily on the no no list for carb watchers. The key here is that these starches must be COOLED to have the proper effect, so you have to read the whole article to get the gist of it. I remembered that I have seen several references either in this forum or in articles saying that for some reason, cold potato salad does not spike blood sugar the way a hot potato does. Could this be the reason? I'm not sold yet but seriously curious.

ValerieL
Sat, Mar-01-08, 15:36
Dr. Michael Eades did a blog post on resistant starch (http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/resistant-starch/) not too long ago. He has a different perspective on it.

M Levac
Sat, Mar-01-08, 15:41
Thread on the same subject here:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=365405

Rose1942
Sat, Mar-01-08, 16:40
One of the main points of the article, is that the 'resistant starch' effect only takes place if the food is cooked and then COOLED. Hot potatoes don't work, only cold ones. What it says, anyway.