Taubes' video

[Daryl]

I don't think this has been posted here, if it has, well, poo.

http://www.stevens.edu/csw/cgi-bin/index.php

[Songwriter]

Thanks for that, Daryl. I watched the whole thing. I don't think this is near as good as his Berkeley lecture. I think he has too many slides. Or at least, he doesn't spend enough time on each one. Or... it could be that you have no idea what he saying as he reads the content on the slide until your eyes luck up on the spot that he is reading.

I also think his slides are too technical. Perhaps the people in that room were all docs, I dunno. But they were hard to follow.

I think he should throw that speech away, haha and start over.

But I did gain value. I salute him for his effort again.

[Daryl]

Glad you enjoyed it. :thup: At first, I thought it might be the Berkely vid, but it isn't. :lol:

[OregonRose]

I agree that this isn't as well-done as the Berkeley lecture, but I think that might be because of the camera work. At the Berkeley talk, the camera often captured Gary together with the slides, so you could get the visuals while he was going through the material. Here, he just seems to be staring off into space as he reads off the slides.

Anyway, editing aside, I love this talk (both at Stevens and at Berkeley). I think one of his most compelling points is when he discusses the Third World clinic situations where you see obese mothers holding their scrawny, malnourished children, and he says if you believe the excess-calories hypothesis of obesity, then these mothers are stealing food out of their children's mouths, and that goes against everything we know about motherhood in the animal kingdom. I think that's a very sharp summary of the "paradox" posed by the standard theory of obesity.

I get so energized when I read/listen to Taubes, but I get so mad, too. How many more years are these "researchers" going to shut their eyes to the obvious problems with their hypothesis? Grrr.

[Songwriter]

I get so energized when I read/listen to Taubes, but I get so mad, too. How many more years are these "researchers" going to shut their eyes to the obvious problems with their hypothesis? Grrr.

I have been on a 20 year search for truth after having been exposed to (or maybe the better word is 'enlightened' about) mainstream medicine. After having heart trouble two years ago, I got back into reading constantly. I can honestly say that two things have dramatically changed my worldview.

First, the George Bush era. (I should be able to say that without having the post deleted because it is definitely apropos to why I say what I say.) Second, the lies / mis-truths / half-truths / ignorance promulgated by the medical establishment. I try to find joy and happiness but I'll admit, the past several years have been a bit of a downer. The human condition is sometimes not a pretty picture. I hope to be moving past the gloom now, haha.

The arrogance of mainstream medicine is actually a VERY major thing. If you can't trust your doctor, who can you trust? And you can't. But the masses do.

I admire many doctors. I salute the good ones who know that they don't know it all. But the overall system is rotten. Drugs and surgery is all most of them know. Cheers to the open-minded ones.

[TBoneMitch]

Thanks for the link Daryl, Taubes is great!

[kyrasdad]

That was a good video, although parts were a little over my head. If he keeps rubbing their nose in the facts, will the facts win out? Lots of money and interests are aligned against him on this, alongside enshrined dogma that tells us fatty foods = fat bodies despite the reality.

[LessLiz]

I was surprised on my recent business trip to find both an interview with Taubes and an exerpt from the book in Delta Airlines' Sky magazine.

[Songwriter]

I was surprised on my recent business trip to find both an interview with Taubes and an exerpt from the book in Delta Airlines' Sky magazine.

Great news!

[OregonRose]

Thanks, LessLiz! What great exposure. I googled the article; here it is:

http://www.delta-sky.com/2008_02/starbooks/

[TBoneMitch]

spread the word!!! As much as possible!

[M Levac]

Where's the Berkeley video posted at?

[OregonRose]

It was up on the forum somewhere a while ago, but I can't find the post. Here's a link to the video; you'll need RealPlayer to watch it:

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=21216

[Daryl]

Thanks for the link Daryl, Taubes is great!

You're welcome, Mitch, glad you enjoyed it :thup:

[Daryl]

That was a good video, although parts were a little over my head. If he keeps rubbing their nose in the facts, will the facts win out? Lots of money and interests are aligned against him on this, alongside enshrined dogma that tells us fatty foods = fat bodies despite the reality.
I have to hope the facts will win, one day.

[joedoro]

With fuel prices through the roof, of course Delta is interested :)

[esoteric]

Can anyone elaborate on this Berkley video for me?

Is it viewable/downloadable anywhere?

Thanks!

[OregonRose]

esoteric, it's here:

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_d...webcastid=21216

You'll need RealPlayer to watch it.

[esoteric]

esoteric, it's here:

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_d...webcastid=21216

You'll need RealPlayer to watch it.

Thanks a lot!

[Angeline]

Everytime I read or watch an interview or lecture by Gary Taubes, I learn a little bit more about the man.

It's interesting the role of the almost reluctant hero he has taken upon himself. You get the impression, from a few comments here and there, that he would have been happier had his research revealed something different. But, as he said before, he let the research lead him to where it would go. And that seems to include to the bitter end. Also I suspect that he is too honorable and intellectually honest to drop the whole thing because it's way more controversial (and worse) than he thought. He knows the harm this has caused and is causing still.

I have incredible respect for this man. He really is like the heroes of literature. Honest and brave, willing to risk a great deal in order to do "the right thing".

Contrast this to other people, like some of the scientists he quoted, who prefer to play the ostrich rather than risk their neck.

Contrast as well, the attitude of other players in the field, who seem to have their ego so wrapped up with their point of view, that they are effectively blind.

[joedoro]

Everytime I read or watch an interview or lecture by Gary Taubes, I learn a little bit more about the man.

It's interesting the role of the almost reluctant hero he has taken upon himself. You get the impression, from a few comments here and there, that he would have been happier had his research revealed something different. But, as he said before, he let the research lead him to where it would go. And that seems to include to the bitter end. Also I suspect that he is too honorable and intellectually honest to drop the whole thing because it's way more controversial (and worse) than he thought. He knows the harm this has caused and is causing still.

I have incredible respect for this man. He really is like the heroes of literature. Honest and brave, willing to risk a great deal in order to do "the right thing".

Contrast this to other people, like some of the scientists he quoted, who prefer to play the ostrich rather than risk their neck.

Contrast as well, the attitude of other players in the field, who seem to have their ego so wrapped up with their point of view, that they are effectively blind.


I agree - I remember one comment he made regarding HFCS and how, when he first started this, he really thought it was going to be the smoking gun behind the obesity epidemic - the fact that it was plentiful, cheaper than sugar and that producers would then never have to worry about future sugar prices or supplies all seemed to fit his theory. But when he talked to the producers and found out that the prices of the sugar or HFCS in their products were negligible compared to the costs of bottling and transport, he abandoned that theory.

I'm sure that the less credible people doing this same research, a number of consumer and weight loss groups quickly come to mind - those that blame soda as the cause of obesity - would just ignore such a finding or try to explain it away, because they know the HFCS causes obesity.

[esoteric]

esoteric, it's here:

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_d...webcastid=21216

You'll need RealPlayer to watch it.

Hi OregonRose, I finally had time to try the link, but it doesn't work... I think the link is only partial? It has those three periods "..." in the middle...

Thanks.

[Nancy LC]

Just click the link in this posting, don't try to copy/paste it to your browser, it won't work that way.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost.php?p=7287195&postcount=13