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dee5155
Wed, Jan-02-08, 22:34
I guess always is a little bit of an overstatement. But breakfast was good for me, even lunch was good. Then two hours after lunch I was starving so I had some cashews. From then on i was starving. Had a tasty dinner but still starving. I know Im eating normal sized portions so I dont want to increase my intake. Is this ravenous hunger a part of the carb withdrawal or should I just increase my intake anyway. I dont want to feel like im eating too much, but I also dont want to feel hungry ALL the time.

Okay that was a bit of rambling, but you guys get the point. In my signature is my food log. If anyone could give me any pointers to help me get and stay full.

dee5155
Wed, Jan-02-08, 22:55
I just had a thought. I remember in the SBD book, Dr. Agaston mentioned something about metamucil prior to meals. Does anyone know if that will help with my problem?

hk-lowcarb
Thu, Jan-03-08, 00:38
I have found that cashews tend to increase my hunger. I also get hungrier prior to my period (where are you in your cycle right now?).

For snack - try a hard boiled egg or some lean chicken and see if that helps.

I visited your meals. and I think you should increase your veggie portions & protein portions.

Examples

- at breakfast - put in 1/2 a green pepper, not 1 Tbsp; put in 1/4 or 1/2 of an onion, not 1 Tbsp. Eat 1 whole sliced tomato, not 3 slices.

- at lunch slice up a whole cucumber into your salad, not just a 1/4 cup of cucumber. Throw in a tomato too, think about adding some peppers to it as well.

How many cups of lettuce are in "2 servings" - my salad usually has 4-5 cups of shredded romaine.

I think 2 oz. of tuna salad is too small a portion - put 4 oz of tuna onto that salad! :)

I believe that a standard portion of lean protein is 4 ounces.

Your dinner looks kind of small too - maybe add another cup of veggies or another veggie dish.

You're not supposed to be hungry and I think metamucil is only recommended if you're constipated.

Hope tomorrow is less hungry.

~Renee~
Thu, Jan-03-08, 06:37
Along with HK's suggestions, how about adding a serving of beans to your lunch and dinner menu? They are very filling and good for you. Taste great too! A serving is 1/3-1/2 cup.

HTH

skippie
Thu, Jan-03-08, 06:38
Hi I just took a look at your meal and have this to offer.

Are you eating a snack 3 times a day???? Morning, afternoon, evening.

It works best to have protein, and veggie as your snack. The veggies will help add bulk/fiber to fill you up.

You should not be hungry. If you are try eating a little more protein, and upping the amount of veggies.

LAwoman75
Thu, Jan-03-08, 09:17
I agree in increasing your proteins and adding some snacks like boiled eggs or turkey and cheese roll ups. I don't think eating more veggies will help you as lettuce is just not filling, nor are most veggies. Also, make sure to use your good fats like olive and canola oil to help fill you up.

Hunger was partly why I tweaked my plan and now I couldn't be happier. I'm never hungry anymore.

Judynyc
Thu, Jan-03-08, 09:48
I agree in increasing your proteins and adding some snacks like boiled eggs or turkey and cheese roll ups. I don't think eating more veggies will help you as lettuce is just not filling, nor are most veggies. Also, make sure to use your good fats like olive and canola oil to help fill you up.

Hunger was partly why I tweaked my plan and now I couldn't be happier. I'm never hungry anymore.

IMO....and IME...it is best for newbies to the SBD and phase I...do it by the book and not start tweaking until they get well into their journey.

Dee,
Yes they are all right...there is no need to be hungry. In the book, Dr A tells us that if we are hungry, that we should eat! Thats what sold me on this plan and the fact that we don't have to count carbs. ;)

Increase your protein portions at meals and cashews are the sweetest of all the nuts and cause me huge overeating issues also. I can't even keep them in my home as they are gone before I know it and I live alone!!

so for your snacks for now.....go for a protein and veggie snack. That can be 1/2 cup of cottage cheese with some tomato and cucumber....or a turkey rolled up in a romaine leaf.

This is why when I do cook, I make a lot so that I always have a lot of leftovers in my fridge. I always have 6 HB eggs in there too. :idea:

dee5155
Thu, Jan-03-08, 11:46
Thanks for all the advice. I guess my biggest fear is overeating and therefore defeating the purpose of the diet. I will try your suggestions.

HK, this morning I did up the veggies with my eggs and I haven't even wanted a snack yet this morning. So that definitely did help. THANKS!!!

Skippie, I had three snacks yesterday. Between breakfast and lunch I had the string cheese, then after lunch I had the cashews and sometime after dinner I had a hardboiled egg.

LAwoman, I agree with you, veggies alone just aren't that filling. So after I eat my dinner I dont want a plate of veggies LOL

Judy, you are so right. Those cashews are very sweet and I noticed after I ate them I wanted something else. Like a fudge brownie :-( Maybe I need to give up on the nuts as a snack. I thought they'd be a good snack. The mozarella string cheese is much better for me.

I'm going to have some type of beans for dinner tonight along with some type of chicken and see if that makes a difference as its heavier.

I really appreciate everyone's input.

Judynyc
Thu, Jan-03-08, 11:59
FYI- While I was losing in phase II, I found that I could save my nut portion for the day for my late night snack....30 pistachios in the shells. :yum: Getting them out of the shells slowed me down so that when they were gone, I was satisfied.

For these 2 weeks of phase I, don't worry too much about your levels of protein or veggies....eat if you feel hunger.....strategically placing your snacks can make a big difference.

sb42008
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:05
LAWoman, I'm wondering how you tweaked the program? In what way, may I ask? I'm always big on individualizing plans to suit you (keeping in mind that if you wander too far you can get lost!!)...so I'm wondering what you tweaked specificially to help your hunger (I'm preparing myself for pms...)

sb42008
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:09
ooops, never mind, I do remember you talking about upping saturated fat.

Actually I just came from the low carb research board where a study was done finding low fat dairy increases prostate cancer in men, whereas whole fat dairy does not! Very interesting. I have the book Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes and I'm rethinking the whole saturated fat business. I'll never abandon South Beach (love it's structure), but I am rethinking the whole low fat hypothesis.

sb42008
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:09
P.S. My husband just started South Beach with me, so that low fat dairy study concerns me.

Judynyc
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:40
ooops, never mind, I do remember you talking about upping saturated fat.

Actually I just came from the low carb research board where a study was done finding low fat dairy increases prostate cancer in men, whereas whole fat dairy does not! Very interesting. I have the book Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes and I'm rethinking the whole saturated fat business. I'll never abandon South Beach (love it's structure), but I am rethinking the whole low fat hypothesis.

Its reduced sat fat on SB....we do eat plenty of other fats. I enjoy a full fat yogurt here and there....a bit of brie too.

Go easy on the tweaks as you are still very new....please!!

dee5155
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:45
I think I figured out the excessive hunger. I've been having sharp hunger pains and Ive now realized its not hunger at all. I went to my doctor and Ive learned that its actually GASTRITIS. Ive been put on Zantac, which sucks because I still feel hungry ALL the time but food isn't the cure. I hope this Zantac begins to work soon. Its currently not doing a darn thing, which is frustrating. :-(

Judynyc
Thu, Jan-03-08, 18:51
I think I figured out the excessive hunger. I've been having sharp hunger pains and Ive now realized its not hunger at all. I went to my doctor and Ive learned that its actually GASTRITIS. Ive been put on Zantac, which sucks because I still feel hungry ALL the time but food isn't the cure. I hope this Zantac begins to work soon. Its currently not doing a darn thing, which is frustrating. :-(


Getting off highly processed foods and grains will help with that. It may take a few weeks but it does get better!! :agree: :cool:

dee5155
Thu, Jan-03-08, 19:26
I hope so. My doctor thinks it has a lot to do with stress from school and the Naproxen I took. I just wish I could drink my lemon water. It seems exacerbate the problem :-( Too much acid.

LAwoman75
Thu, Jan-03-08, 19:27
Although I have made my own changes, I recommend for anyone new to the SBD to stick to a clean phase I as it's VERY important in the whole scheme of things. Actually, on about day 5 of phase I, I lost my appetite. I didn't make any changes until I was well into phase II. I just want to make that clear. I learned what worked for my body and helped me feel better and continue to lose. That may not work for everyone but it's a learning process. During the phase I and phase II, you will learn multitudes about your body in regards to it's food intake and it's very valuable information.

Btw: my tweaks were more than just upping fats. If you'd like to know more once you do a clean phase I, just message me here.

hk-lowcarb
Thu, Jan-03-08, 19:43
Dee,

If lemon water is too acid, you might try drinking just plain water, but WARM or at least room temperature.

In Chinese nutritional beliefs, drinking chilled water (or other cold drinks) is not considered very healthy. So over the years I've gotten used to drinking room temperature or (in the winter) warm water. IMHO it goes down more easily than cold water, so it satisfies thirst more. In winter it also helps to warm you up.

Other thing you might consider for flavoring is ginger - ginger water can be warming and adds a bit of taste w/out the acidity of lemon juice.

dee5155
Thu, Jan-03-08, 19:51
Thanks HK (do you use another name on here or do you go by HK?)

I like lemon water and I like my water cold or room temperature. My mom doesn't drink cold water at all and I think its for the same reason as the Chinese. I never could drink warm water. It taste like tea thats missing something. LOL Hopefully I can restart the lemon once my stomach issues heal.

I actually drink ginger tea when Im nauseous or have a cold. i wonder if it would help with my gastritis issue. Okay off to do some internet research. :-)

Camelle217
Thu, Jan-03-08, 21:07
Dee,

If lemon water is too acid, you might try drinking just plain water, but WARM or at least room temperature.

In Chinese nutritional beliefs, drinking chilled water (or other cold drinks) is not considered very healthy. So over the years I've gotten used to drinking room temperature or (in the winter) warm water. IMHO it goes down more easily than cold water, so it satisfies thirst more. In winter it also helps to warm you up.

Other thing you might consider for flavoring is ginger - ginger water can be warming and adds a bit of taste w/out the acidity of lemon juice.

AMEN!!!! This is my Third time of doing South beach. The first, and very successful time... i had a PERFECT phase 1. NOT a single iota of anything not on the list. I remember picking pieces of shredded carrot out of the bagged lettuce i'd bought.

The 2nd, very short lived, not successful attempt... i think i "tweaked" starting on day 3 of phase 1. UGH. GO figure why it didn't work... I wasn't really doing the "plan".

THis, my 3rd (and hopefully final) go at this... I am SUPER COMMITTED to a PERFECT phase 1. I TRULY believe that is what made me so successful the first time. And I agree, I lost my appetite, AND i had BOUNDLESS ENERGY. I'd lay in bed at night and think... DANG I WANT TO GO WORK OUT, again!!!! I so can't wait for that feeling to come back. :agree:

*EDITED* OOPS i quoted the wrong post. I'm out of practice. So sorry. I ment to quote the post about doing a perfect phase 1..... I don't know how to fix it... grrrr.....

dee5155
Thu, Jan-03-08, 21:35
Camelle, I am attempting to do Phase 1 by the book. I can't wait for me to lose my appetite. I definitely haven't lost it, but I do look forward to working out. It feels so rewarding nowadays and less like a chore. I'm loving this, and aside from the occasional sweets craving I dont feel like im on a diet.

meliss310
Fri, Jan-04-08, 07:24
Dee,

When I first started I was really hungry for the first three days. After that it got much better. Good luck to you.

joesfolks
Sat, Jan-05-08, 21:49
I agree with Judy, SBD did wonders for my gastritis. And whole foods work great to keep hunger at bay, much better than all those processed carbs. Just keep eating what you should and don't let yourself get hungry. By the end of phase 1 you will have your carbs under control. It really does work.

dee5155
Sun, Jan-06-08, 16:00
Today is day 6 and I feel great. Not really hungry, or no more than normal. They say Phase 1 is the hardest but now that I'm over the hump it doesnt seem that hard to me.

Judynyc
Sun, Jan-06-08, 16:10
Today is day 6 and I feel great. Not really hungry, or no more than normal. They say Phase 1 is the hardest but now that I'm over the hump it doesnt seem that hard to me.


Yayyy!! :hyper: :wave:

Ms A
Sun, Jan-06-08, 17:52
I guess always is a little bit of an overstatement. But breakfast was good for me, even lunch was good. Then two hours after lunch I was starving so I had some cashews. From then on i was starving. Had a tasty dinner but still starving. I know Im eating normal sized portions so I dont want to increase my intake. Is this ravenous hunger a part of the carb withdrawal or should I just increase my intake anyway. I dont want to feel like im eating too much, but I also dont want to feel hungry ALL the time.

Okay that was a bit of rambling, but you guys get the point. In my signature is my food log. If anyone could give me any pointers to help me get and stay full.

Hi there:

I can't eat cashews ... they make me hungry. I am great with almonds though, unblanched whole almonds .... really satisfying.

As everyone else has said ... don't worry about too much lean protein or veg on phase I ... I ate until I didn't feel hungry, (as Dr. A. tells us to), in Phase I and lost 12 Lb's in three weeks, I ate only lean, low fat protein and lots and lots of 'legal' veg! :agree:

I still find I have to remind myself to 'snack' and eat lunch etc., as I'm never super hungy like I was when eating high GI carbs and doing Weight Watchers .... so, glad I'm over that! Now I have a normal appetite and can certainly wait to eat without thinking I am going to starve to death! :lol:

Hope it's going well for you now with the hunger :thup: I sure love not being hungry!

I have been reading more and more about yoghurt not being as good for us if it's 'low fat' ... and that yoghurt should be eaten regular fat, apparently there is something that works together in the yoghurt with the fat - I guess like in eggs with the yolk and the white working together. I now eat plain regular fat yoghurt, but I do still eat 1% cottage cheese and light skim mozzarella cheese, and 1% milk. Light Ricotta cheese is awesome too!

I'm re-doing Phase 1 after the Christmas food stuffs ... I wasn't completely off track, but wasn't completely on track either, so I decided to play it safe and do Phase 1 over to get back on track properly before starting Phase 2 again, as suggested by Dr. A. :) I haven't weighed myself since before Christmas .... decided to wait and see what the scale says when I'm finished Phase 1.

Paula

dee5155
Sun, Jan-06-08, 18:04
I love yogurt but I can't stand plain yogurt. I like the vanilla and fruit flavored stuff. :(

Question: I see on the Phase 1 list, sugar free fudgesicles are allowed, are the sugarfree popsicles allowed. They have fewer calories but arent on this list. Are they forbidden?

What about the sugar free russell stovers candies? I really wanted to get one the other day but it looked so yummy I figured it's forbidden.

Paula, congrats on losing 12 lbs in phase one. I hope I have as much success. I dont see any differences yet but its only been 6 days. Im patient.

Camelle217
Sun, Jan-06-08, 18:12
Today is day 6 and I feel great. Not really hungry, or no more than normal. They say Phase 1 is the hardest but now that I'm over the hump it doesnt seem that hard to me.

YEA!!!! i'm on Day 5... so im a day behind you.... :thup:

Judynyc
Sun, Jan-06-08, 20:57
I love yogurt but I can't stand plain yogurt. I like the vanilla and fruit flavored stuff. :(

Question: I see on the Phase 1 list, sugar free fudgesicles are allowed, are the sugarfree popsicles allowed. They have fewer calories but arent on this list. Are they forbidden?

What about the sugar free russell stovers candies? I really wanted to get one the other day but it looked so yummy I figured it's forbidden.

Yes, you can have the no sugar added fruit popsicles...any that add up to 75 cals a day.

If you do chose to have the Russell Stover's candies, just be careful about portion sizes as they use maltitol and if you overeat them, you'll likely have a gastric explosion.:eek: too much maltitol acts as a laxative! ;)

Also, because you don't have much to lose, you can expect to lose up to 10% of your total loss in the first 2 weeks. :cool: