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Demi
Tue, Dec-11-07, 00:56
BBC News Online
London, UK
11 December, 2007


Obesity 'raises gum disease risk'

The rise in obesity may be going hand-in-hand with increases in severe gum disease, US research suggests.

As many as 40% of adults worldwide have periodontal disease, and tests on mice hint that obesity makes us vulnerable to the bacteria which cause it.

Boston University scientists reported in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that fat mice had a "blunted" immune system.

This may mean obese humans are more at risk from all bacterial infections.

Links between gum disease and other more serious illnesses continue to emerge.

There have even been suggestions of a relationship between gum disease and heart disease risk.

However, the immune changes which might be responsible for this remain poorly understood.

The Boston University study looked in more detail at levels of important immune system chemicals produced by normal, lean mice, and their obese counterparts, when confronted with the P. gingivalis bug that causes periodontal illness.

Both types of mouse had bacteria-infused material wrapped around their gums to see if the disease took hold.

Tests revealed that the obese mice had higher levels of P. gingivalis in their mouths, and were suffering more bone loss around their teeth, one of the most common side-effects of the infection.

In addition, the obese mice had lower levels of certain immune system chemicals normally released by the body to help fight infection.

Obesity 'epidemic'

The researchers wrote: "These data indicate that obesity interferes with the ability of the immune system to appropriately respond to P. gingivalis infection.

"The importance of the current findings is underscored by the facts that millions of people worldwide are affected by this infection every year and the universal prevalence of obesity has reached epidemic proportions."

They said that while their experiments suggested that obesity made the body more vulnerable to gum disease bacteria, it was possible that this "blunting" of the immune system might mean it was more vulnerable to other bacterial attacks.

Dr John Taylor, a senior lecturer in molecular immunology at Newcastle University's School of Dental Sciences, said that his own work was beginning to show strong connections between periodontal disease and type II diabetes, an illness which can arise in obese patients.

He said: "We found that periodontal disease was often of the more aggressive form in patients with diabetes.

"It is possible that obesity may be compromising the immune response, leading to increased susceptibility to periodontal disease."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7136583.stm

Angeline
Tue, Dec-11-07, 01:26
BBC News Online



This may mean obese humans are more at risk from all bacterial infections.

Links between gum disease and other more serious illnesses continue to emerge.

There have even been suggestions of a relationship between gum disease and heart disease risk.

However, the immune changes which might be responsible for this remain poorly understood.



Could it be that maybe just maybe what is causing the obesity is also causing the immune changes??? Oh that's right overeating cause obesity, so that can't be it. Damnit. Those mice need to stop eating so much.

oakdryad
Tue, Dec-11-07, 02:03
Could it be that maybe just maybe what is causing the obesity is also causing the immune changes??? Oh that's right overeating cause obesity, so that can't be it. Damnit. Those mice need to stop eating so much.


And exercise more. Sloth and gluttony, that's the root of the obesity problem. The rise in periodontal disease OBVIOUSLY has a different causality. ;)

/sarcasm.

:D

K Walt
Tue, Dec-11-07, 06:17
Actually, my gum disease DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY when I quit eating sugary and starchy food. My periodontist was so amazed, he took pictures for records to show at a convention.

And that happened before losing a whole lot of weight. I think it's starchy and sugary foods that cause gum disease, AND obesity, AND heart disease.

Even today, on the rare occasions that I cheat with some bread or carbs, my teeth INSTANTLY fur up. I have to immediately brush since I can't stand it.

For me, it was all the starches and sugar.

Angeline
Tue, Dec-11-07, 08:34
I've been going to the dentist every 6 months for years. And for years, every checkup had a couple of cavities to be fixed. Then I totally stopped my one-coffee-two-creams-two-sugars habit and I haven't had a cavitie since. I still have periodental disease, but then I am not as low-carb as I know I should be.

An interesting tidbit, Steffanson was thouroughly examined before the start of his famous experiment, and the only thing that was wrong with him was a mild case of gum disease. That cleared up within a few weeks of starting his all-meat diet.

I think it's unfortunate that no one is conducting a study on this, because they would find, I suspect, that gum disease radically improves or disappears completely on low-carb, before any significant weight is lost.

KarenJ
Tue, Dec-11-07, 09:02
Actually, my gum disease DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY when I quit eating sugary and starchy food. My periodontist was so amazed, he took pictures for records to show at a convention.

And that happened before losing a whole lot of weight. I think it's starchy and sugary foods that cause gum disease, AND obesity, AND heart disease.

Even today, on the rare occasions that I cheat with some bread or carbs, my teeth INSTANTLY fur up. I have to immediately brush since I can't stand it.

For me, it was all the starches and sugar.

Same here.

catfishghj
Tue, Dec-11-07, 10:37
Gum disease is associated with diabetes. I had frequently bleeding gums when I was diagnosed. That is the first thing to clear up when I stopped eating so many carbs. So I would say gum disease, obesity, and diabetes are all related to eating too many carbs.

Azlocarb
Tue, Dec-11-07, 11:08
My gum disease has pretty much gone away also.

Zei
Tue, Dec-11-07, 12:11
I just got one of those yucky deep cleanings for gum disease this morning. I've had it a long time (been hiding from seeing a dentist because I don't like to go). My teeth feel lots better, not all disgusting with junk, on low carb now. I am still fat, but I hope the disease does not return once it's finished being treated. What did the dentist always tell you as a kid? Avoid sugar. Funny how sugar rots your teeth AND makes you fat. But wait...overweight must be the cause! It is always the cause! What could I possibly have been thinking? ;)

Lisa N
Tue, Dec-11-07, 12:35
Could it be that maybe just maybe what is causing the obesity is also causing the immune changes??? Oh that's right overeating cause obesity, so that can't be it. Damnit. Those mice need to stop eating so much.

It never ceases to amaze me how long it is taking for the scientific community to put all the pieces of the puzzle together. We know that high levels of circulating insulin such as you would find in insulin resistance (which many obese people have) promotes inflammation in the body. We know that sugar (and insulin resistance) suppresses the immune system.
Obesity is not causal to the problem, it's another symptom of the problem.
Somebody please buy these guys a clue for Christmas! :help:

Azlocarb
Tue, Dec-11-07, 14:36
Zei,
I read somewhere the vitamin D helps and also check out Krill oil. I have been taking both for some time and my gums seem much healthier and my Dentist and hygienist agree. They complimented me on my last visit for doing better on my brushing and flossing. I didn’t tell them that I had not changed my brushing and flossing.

Demokat
Tue, Dec-11-07, 17:08
I can't find it right now-maybe it was in the Paleo forum somewhere-that once grains were introduced into the diet, gum disease followed. Scientists have examined mummies from Egyptian times, and they had terrible teeth. They also ate a lot of grains.

Wifezilla
Tue, Dec-11-07, 19:29
I remember reading the same thing Kat.

I have had gum issues and they have MOSTLY cleared up. I do get the occasional flare-up, but it is still way better than it used to be :D

waywardsis
Thu, Dec-13-07, 08:54
IIRC, scientists can determine whether a mummy is pre or post agricultural (paleo or neolithic) by the state of its teeth (among other things, like shorter stature, cancers, diabetes etc)

Also, Weston Price started his study of traditional nutrition (vs modern foods) bc of the enormous amounts of dental caries and disease in his patients - very rare in traditional and HG societies, as are jaw/dental deformalities, ie teeth that need braces (like mine did, with a 2mm overbite!! Train tracks and headgear for 2 long years.)

Nancy LC
Thu, Dec-13-07, 10:12
Again the conclusion is wrong. Excess carbs cause gum disease, just like they cause cavities. Excess carbs also cause obesity. They're linked but not in the way the press reports them.