Hyperlipid: about the causes of type II diabetes

[ttlaitin]

a nice blog-entry from Hyperlipid about the causes the type II diabetes:

Getting fat is bad when you stop (http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/11/getting-fat-is-bad-when-you-stop.html)

summary:

individuals have different capacity to store fat in their bodies
chronic high insulin levels cause the fat storages of the body to become overcrowded
you get diabetes II when your body can not store any more fat:
1. when the fat storages become "full", the fat cells refuse to take in any more fat and they become insulin resistance
2. as a side-effect, the muscle cells refuse to take glucose in
3. glucose-levels in the blood rise and you become diabetic

[Wifezilla]

Discussing a diabetes doctor....

"His basic idea is that because the problem is one of excessive fat storage (it is) and the stored fat is from dietary fat (it is) then the correct approach is to reduce dietary fat (WRONG). The correct approach is to reduce the hormone which is causing the excess storage. That is insulin. The spectacular success of low carbohydrate diets for management of type 2 diabetes clearly show this is the way to go."

I like the way he distilled it all down.

[CindySue48]

"you get diabetes II when your body can not store any more fat:"

WHAT???

Weight gain is a known side effect/symptom of diabetes!!

[rightnow]

I believe they screwed up the phrasing. Diabetes II is when the fat cells ALSO become insulin-resistant, as the muscles already were. My understanding of this which may be wrong, is that the glucose then instead of being split into triglycerides and stored as fat (some still can be -- just not all of it), is basically unable to get out of the blood stream via fat storage, so is dumped out into the urine.

[ttlaitin]

"you get diabetes II when your body can not store any more fat:"

WHAT???

Weight gain is a known side effect/symptom of diabetes!!
obesity is associated with diabetes II, but do we know that weight gain is a symptom?

well, of course weight gain is likely to follow if you are diagnosed diabetic and are given insulin shots..

[renegadiab]

Actually, weight gain is associated with insulin resistance and pre-diabetes, though, as pointed out, not all overweight people develop diabetes and some thin people do. The notion that fat storage plays a role makes sense.

However, when you become diabetic and your blood sugar gets high enough, you actually lose weight. Unexplained weight loss is a recognized symptom of diabetes. Plus, I know that from person experience. A few months after I had given up on weight loss due to repeated failure with a low fat diet, I started losing weight without trying. I lost 15 - 20 lbs before getting my diagnosis of type 2 diabetes. I have heard of teenage diabetics (type 1) purposely restricting insulin shots to drive up blood sugar and lose weight. Talk about an eating disorder.

When your blood sugar gets high enough, you have a lot of glucose, but your body can't use it due to severe insulin resistance (or no insulin in the case of type 1). Your body starts using fat & muscle for energy and hence you lose weight. This can also lead to ketoacidosis (not simple ketosis).

It's a dieter's dream -- eat all you want and lose weight. Just ignore the fact that high blood sugar can kill you. :)

[CindySue48]

obesity is associated with diabetes II, but do we know that weight gain is a symptom?
Before the modern drugs and foods were available weight gain was considered a symptom of type 2 and weight loss a symptom of type 1.