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Samuel
Mon, Aug-20-07, 17:51
http://www.dailynews.com/health/ci_6664065

Lap-Band procedure helps patients with weight loss
BY SEMHAR DEBESSAI, LA.COM
Article Last Updated: 08/20/2007 01:57:34 PM PDT

If you ask 35-year-old Vicki Joseph what motivated her drastic measures, she'll probably say it was her young son.

That motivation almost led her to Mexico two years ago to seek an affordable option for weight-loss surgery. Almost.

At 5-foot-2 and 280 pounds, Joseph was morbidly obese.

"My health was deteriorating," she said, recalling more desperate times. "I had high cholesterol, pain in my feet. ... I was getting injections in my feet (to relieve the pain)."

A final diagnosis of sleep apnea pushed her to get deadly serious. The condition caused her to stop breathing up to 50 times an hour and raised her cardiac death risk. She figured she had to do something or she wouldn't be around to see her son graduate high school.

At her practitioner's urgings, Joseph eliminated any thoughts of going to Mexico. With some additional knowledge, she passed on the option of gastric bypass surgery, even though her insurance would have covered the cost.

"(The) statistics of people dying (from complications) were too high," said Joseph. "I had a little boy to live for."

Soon after, she was introduced to the lesser-known Lap-Band adjustable gastric banding surgery. She was intrigued.

"I tried Weight Watchers, Atkins ... (the new) Alli drug," said Joseph, but none of it worked in the long-term.

Overweight, and with a desire to live - and not just look - better, Joseph found herself caught in a "vicious circle" of weight gain: taking medication that hindered weight loss and battling a depression that encouraged it.

Joseph found that the Lap-Band procedure solved - at least for her - what those other methods couldn't. It wasn't a matter of discipline, she explained, "it was a matter of feeling satisfied."

Dr. Helmuth Billy, a surgeon practicing in Ventura and Thousand Oaks, said the appeal of the Lap-Band procedure is that it isn't about food deprivation but about practicing portion control when patients have "never been able to (do it) on their own."

The procedure is considered a safer alternative to the highly publicized gastric bypass procedure chosen by celebrities such as TV's Star Jones and "American Idol" judge Randy Jackson.

The Lap-Band is a rubberband-like device that's surgically placed around the upper part of the stomach. This tubing creates a smaller space (almost like a second stomach) that the food enters before proceeding to the rest of the stomach for digestion.

With a smaller space to fill, initially, the brain gets the message that the stomach is full sooner.

The procedure does not require stomach cutting and stapling, or gastrointestinal rerouting, to bypass normal digestion.

The rate of weight loss depends on the grip of the tube, adjusted by filling (or extracting) "normal saline" fluid in the tube, accessible just beneath the skin.

Billy said it's safe, explaining "if it leaks out, the body just absorbs it."

Of course Lap-Band, made by Allergan of Santa Barbara, isn't for everyone. Patients must have a BMI (body mass index) that's considered obese, or greater than 35. A healthy BMI is between 20 and 25.

Approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 2001, this bariatric service has been on the menu of options at Billy's practice for years. Still, he is adamant with patients that post-op maintenance is necessary for complete, life-changing results.

"The responsible practice is to emphasize diet and exercise," he said, also stressing the importance of follow-up appointments and consideration of each patient's unique weight-gaining circumstances.

And if a patient fails to maintain? "If you over-indulge, it's like pouring into a funnel," Billy said. "Patients learn that quickly because those are unpleasant feelings."

For Joseph, there's nothing unpleasant about her life now, she said.

"(My life is) excellent," she said. "There's no comparison."

If others are skeptical about her weight-loss pursuits, Joseph doesn't mind too much. She's 100 pounds lighter since the surgery and continues to incorporate healthy eating habits into her daily life, with smaller portions able to satisfy her body and her mind.

"If you're not feeling that hunger feeling all the time, sure it's easy to lose weight," said Joseph.

After what seemed like a lifetime of dieting, she was well aware of what, and what not, to eat.

"It was definitely a matter of feeling satisfied," she said.

pennink
Mon, Aug-20-07, 18:27
wait wait wait... the new alli drug? and she's had the surgery and lost 100 pounds since its release? Wasn't that only a few months ago?

ysabella
Mon, Aug-20-07, 19:13
It's only new as an over-the-counter drug. Maybe she tried it by prescription at an earlier time.

pennink
Mon, Aug-20-07, 19:51
Ah, okay... it was the way it said "(the new) Alli drug" that made me think, mmmm, huh?

Gypsybyrd
Mon, Aug-20-07, 22:22
Ummmmmmm ... doesn't the body need a certain number of calories to function properly (600 or 800?)? If you are restricting portion sizes by as much as the article implies ... can you actually eat enough calories for your body?

And can a person who has this done eat *whatever* type of foods desired? How is that healthy? Still throws the blood sugar out of whack - doesn't it?

My bro-in-law thinks I should consider this if i start having health problems. I'd rather eat more on Atkins I think ... but then I'm not keen on surgeries at all.

pennink
Tue, Aug-21-07, 06:37
It's not the end all and be all. You still have to eat properly and learn to do so for your entire life or it comes whomping back on you. You never lose those little thirsty fat cells unless you lypo them out.

The risks of this procedure are great and the potential to gain it all back are high. I really investigated this before I did it and met a few people who gained even more weight than they lost after they stretched the stomach. My sister has already gained 60 back, can't throw up without injury, and is always ill. She never learned how to eat properly.

Eat low carb. It's so much more fun to grill up some steaks than have IVs poked into you.

teaser
Tue, Aug-21-07, 09:02
Whenever I read about these types of surgery, it makes me think about the "starvation mode" everyone keeps saying they will go into if they eat less than 800 calories or so a day. If this kind of eating shuts down your metabolism so you can't lose weight, why does it always work after some kind of invasive surgery?

mailbean
Tue, Aug-21-07, 14:08
Whenever I read about these types of surgery, it makes me think about the "starvation mode" everyone keeps saying they will go into if they eat less than 800 calories or so a day. If this kind of eating shuts down your metabolism so you can't lose weight, why does it always work after some kind of invasive surgery?
Eating too little doesn't shut down your metabolism, and the calorie cut off is different for everyone. The thing is is that eating too little slows down your metabolism so that it takes less calories to maintain your weight and once you start eating normally again, you gain really quickly because even though you might be eating the recommended calories, your body has adjusted to using much less, so you're taking in extra over what your body is using.

If there was a magical calorie cutoff where you just don't lose any more weight, anorexics and victims of food shortages wouldn't get so skinny.

CValentine
Tue, Aug-21-07, 15:45
I was recently at a Mom's night out with friends & met a friend of a friend who brought her before gastric bypass pictures. This lady is in her late 30's, 5'6" tall, an attractive redhead, an NICU nurse, married mother of 2. She weighed 300# the day before her GB surgery, she now weighs in at 180# & is still dropping at 1.5# a week. She had it done in Sept. of 2006. She looks great. The pictures hurt me to look at them. Surgery prep pics & post-op pics. <<Shudder>>

She says she still can't eat much or it makes her physically ill. She eats 5-6 small meals a day. She ate 1/2 a toasted club sandwich & an 8oz milkshake. She watched me eat an articoke/spinach cheese dip appetizer(no chips), a 12oz NY Strip Med. Rare & 2 bunches of steamed broccoli & 2 ice waters w/lemon. She was like where do you put that? I used that as my intro to eating LC, I had the whole table listening in. I was at 191# at my highest weight & found what worked for me. I told them about the website forum here & the great people & information I'd found.

All the ladies, seemed open & receptive to the ideology of the LC lifestyle. The lap band recipient was the only one who said her life was so busy,(NICU RN, 12 & rotating 24hr shifts), she couldn't stop to eat right. Everyone that knew her agreed that her lifestyle was very hectic & stressful. I just said that she looked great & wished her luck. A couple of the ladies asked for the name & No. of her surgeon. I can only hope that I was a positive influence for my WOE & that they check out this site & help themselves thinner & healthier instead of resorting to surgery first.

I'm with Pennink... grilled steaks are alot more fun than IV's...

scthgharpy
Tue, Aug-21-07, 16:15
Shes eating a club sandwich and a milkshake?

Lord, you think the fat that she got FAT eating that way would convince her to STOP eating that way.

yah, its SOO hard to ditch the bun with a burger than to eat it. is her life so hectic that she cant grab a bag of cut veggies over garbage?

I hate those excuses.

Samuel
Tue, Aug-21-07, 16:37
I have done to myself something like the gastric bypass sugery!

For 3 years I have been doing exercises at the gym for the rectus abdominis muscle. My muscle kept growing untill I became able to set the machine at its maximum weight and kept it at same setting for at least a year.

Now, when I find good food I can't stop myself from overeating just like normal. But, one hour later I feel terrible at my stomach. My stomach muscles don't allow my stomach to expand and the gases produced makes it hard for me to breath.

You may say that this is not bad since it should teach me to eat less next time, but it does not! Eating small amount of food is nothing that I can ever learn.

pennink
Tue, Aug-21-07, 19:23
I know this is probably not politically correct, but I just gotta say because it made me glow...

My daughter was watching a thing about weight loss surgery and she said, "those people think they're so great because they lost all that weight, well they didn't really do anything, they kind of cheated by taking the easy way out. You, mom, are really going to have something to be proud of."

giggle...

Gypsybyrd
Tue, Aug-21-07, 20:31
I know this is probably not politically correct, but I just gotta say because it made me glow...

My daughter was watching a thing about weight loss surgery and she said, "those people think they're so great because they lost all that weight, well they didn't really do anything, they kind of cheated by taking the easy way out. You, mom, are really going to have something to be proud of."

giggle...

That's a great story Pennink! :thup:

CValentine
Tue, Aug-21-07, 20:38
An application in weightloss & life in general.
Something about willpower and the human mind:

"You can if you want to....
But you've gotta want to..."
~Cheryl Valentine

Awesome story Pennink!

KvonM
Tue, Aug-21-07, 21:03
Shes eating a club sandwich and a milkshake?

Lord, you think the fact that she got FAT eating that way would convince her to STOP eating that way.
the problem is that our society has been conditioned to view surgery as the ultimate way to fix the body. organ failing? cut 'em open and fix it. bone shattered? cut 'em open and insert a steel rod. tumor growing? cut 'em open and remove it. got too fat? cut 'em open and restrict the stomach.

now don't get me wrong, i'm not some brainwashed crackpot lunatic tom cruise and john travolta wannabe who thinks all surgery and all medicine is wrong and immoral and doctors created disease. but it's a case of too easy, too quick, and too available. my fiance's brother and sister-in-law both had gastric bypass. from what i've heard, she's lost over 100lbs by now (i think her surgery was about 6 or 8 months ago). i tried to get her to think seriously about low-carb. she'd already made her mind up. and it's disappointing to me because surgery can't change behavior.

i applaud those who have had gastric bypass and use it as a tool to jumpstart their weight loss, then have COMPLETELY revamped how they view food. the ones who recognize it's a tool and a guide, not a be-all-end-all solution. but what do you do for the ones who had the bypass, lose the weight, still eat the junk, then gain the weight back again? what surgery works then? removing the entire stomach?

pinkclouds
Tue, Aug-21-07, 21:53
I have a close friend who has had gastric bypass, and another close friend of mine is thinking about doing the lap band procedure. As a result I've done alot of research and talked to doctors pro and con about it. I think it is a better and safer option than gastric bypass surgery, or dying from obesity.

Easy way out? Maybe. But those who treat it that way, usually end up suffering in the end or gaining the weight back. However, alot of people who lose weight by dieting also end up gaining the weight back. I'm one of those.

I couldn't personally do the procedure. But I can understand why someone would or how someone could get to the point where they wanted to.

IF a person does this to get out of the morbidly obese danger zone, and uses the opportunity to learn to eat healthy, I think it can be a good thing for them. It's another choice...another option in the battle against obesity.

Frogbreath
Wed, Aug-22-07, 09:13
I got the lap band 2 years ago and it's no easy way out of anything. I did it because I could no longer lose on low carb or even just control my blood sugars. I did a good thing for myself and don't regret it in the least. I'll never be thin but maybe I won't die quite as early. There are so many variables in weight control. I have too many obstacles in life to get too "pure" about what tools I use to overcome them. I'll steer clear of explosive diarhea...but otherwise I may try anything once!

MandalayVA
Wed, Aug-22-07, 09:32
Lap band surgery is somewhat safer, but something that isn't bandied about a lot is that many people DIE from complications of gastric bypass surgery. And yes, even though it involves getting cut open and all sorts of other lovely things surgery is still kind of the "lazy" way out. On YouTube there's a video of a guy who lost over 400 pounds. It took him two years and he did have surgery to remove loose skin, but he didn't get bypass surgery. In order to get any weight loss success (including with surgery) you have to change the way you eat. Period. The majority don't want to, which is why only 2% can keep significant weight off long-term.

Frogbreath
Wed, Aug-22-07, 10:56
Lap band surgery has about one tenth the mortality rate of gastric bypass - the same as any surgery with general anesthesia. I couldn't rely on "will power" to change things. My mind changes with the bipolar tides and while doing it without surgery might have given me some kind of moral superiority, it wasn't going to happen.

scthgharpy
Wed, Aug-22-07, 14:13
Dude, ANY mortality rate is too risky for me. Changing my eating pattens isnt going to kill me, but any kind of surgery can.

MandalayVA
Wed, Aug-22-07, 14:16
Lap band surgery has about one tenth the mortality rate of gastric bypass - the same as any surgery with general anesthesia. I couldn't rely on "will power" to change things. My mind changes with the bipolar tides and while doing it without surgery might have given me some kind of moral superiority, it wasn't going to happen.

Yes, but you were willing to change the way you ate, which is why you will succeed. :)