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Nancy LC
Sat, Aug-18-07, 08:38
This is ridiculous! Wheat gives cattle "the bloat" which can kill them. But still they feed it to cattle and just dose them with something to keep them alive.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-08/tau--bco081707.php

Biggest costs of bloat may be in undiagnosed cattle

VERNON - Cattle deaths due to bloat are an economic loss, but the greater cost may come during the early stages of bloat, said a Texas Agricultural Experiment Station researcher at Vernon.

"What you don't see will be the hidden loss of depressed animal gains ranging from one-third to a little more than one pound per day over a 60-day bloat period in cattle with slight to moderate bloat," said Dr. Bill Pinchak, Experiment Station range animal nutritionist.

"The loss in average daily gain may equal or exceed the total bloat death loss in most years," Pinchak said.

Wheat pasture bloat is the major non-pathogenic cause of death in the Texas stocker cattle industry, accounting for a 1 percent to 3 percent death loss in cattle grazing winter wheat pastures, he said.

But a bigger economic loss may be incurred because most producers don't recognize the less severe bloating, where it begins to cost them, Pinchak said. At level one, with slight bloating or distension to the left side, cattle are already losing three-tenths of a pound of average daily gain per day.

Pinchak and a team of Experiment Station researchers are working to mitigate the impacts of bloat. So far their studies have shown it takes a weather change to prompt severe bloat onset. Also management can effect the severity of occurrence.

Management aspects involved include: land management (nitrogen fertilization) and grazing management (forage allowance), as well as intervention strategies (ionophores and other supplements), he said.

The studies have shown maximum fertilization increases the amount of bloat, Pinchak said. Early winter grazing is generally not when bloat occurs. February through March, when the spring green-up begins, is a prime time for cattle to suffer from bloat.

Bloat is blamed for an estimated 2 percent death loss in the 2 million head of cattle in the stocker program in the North Plains, he said.

Bloat increases the pressure within the rumen and inhibits the nerves controlling belching, Pinchak explained. Chronic stress due to bloat changes animal behavior and they spend more time idling. They are uncomfortable. Their jaw movement is less than if they are not bloated. They have much fewer grazing bouts during the day.

Collectively, the time the cattle spend off feed or at a reduced grazing rate can add up to decreased animal performance, Pinchak said.

"They will graze less time and less often," he said. "You will see their activity drop the greatest in the early morning, early evening and late night grazing."

Pinchak said studies have shown poloxalene, monensin, corn oil and condensed tannin supplementation can help reduce the effect of bloat. However, condensed tannin supplementation with plant tannin extracts is not currently approved by the Food and Drug Administration as a feed supplement.

Poloxalene and corn oil are FDA approved, but only decrease bloat and do not increase animal performance, he said. Monensin is an FDA-approved feed additive and decreases but does not eliminate bloat, while increasing animal performance.

Some condensed tannin extracts have increased performance by 15 percent over 60 days and have controlled bloat, Pinchak said.

Bloat mitigation supplements have a varied history in stocker cattle grazing wheat pasture, he said. The variations in their effectiveness are most likely caused by consumption of the supplements at levels below what is needed to achieve an effective dose.

Stocker cattle should be adapted to the supplement they will receive on wheat pasture before being turned out to wheat and before bloat occurs, Pinchak said. This will decrease their natural aversion to novel food sources.

kaypeeoh
Sat, Aug-18-07, 10:02
Wheat has more digestable carbohydrate than most forages that require fermentation to produce fatty acids. The carbs cause a 'frothy bloat' that triggers spasms in the esophageal sphincter so they can't belch. If caught early enough, the farmer treats the bloat with liquid detergent to break up the froth. It the cow is so weak it's down and can't swallow the detergent the farmer will stab her in the left side and kick her in the belly to squirt out the froth.

Those animals go through a lot just so you guys can have a steak.

Nancy LC
Sat, Aug-18-07, 10:06
Not on my account, I'd much prefer my beef to be pastured on grass, of the non-wheat variety. As far as I can tell, this is just greed (and corn and wheat subsidies) driving these decisions.

CValentine
Sat, Aug-18-07, 11:05
I'm with Nancy...
There's a lady here in my home-school group that has a small herd(12) of beautiful red(don't know the name)cattle. She rotates them through grass fields lots. They graze for a period of time then she moves them onto the next lot. She learned a great deal from her neighbor(80yo) who has been doing grass lot rotation for well over 50 yrs. & is raising healthy cattle. The meat is delicious & flavorful like I can't even describe! Our family buys 1/2 a side a year & it lasts. She charges a fair price & has shown my children & I about the meat processing industry & the humane way of raising livestock. Telling us about the comparative treatment of animals between commercial & private industry. Kaypeeoh, there is so much that can be done to improve the 'quality of life' for the animals who are given in sacrifice to fill our plates. That's why I buy my meat from a known source.

Seeing the treatment as you described above is nauseating & repulsive. I wish we could all 'afford' to raise animals as naturally as possible. ~Cheryl Ann

fetch
Sat, Aug-18-07, 12:42
Wheat has more digestable carbohydrate than most forages that require fermentation to produce fatty acids. The carbs cause a 'frothy bloat' that triggers spasms in the esophageal sphincter so they can't belch. If caught early enough, the farmer treats the bloat with liquid detergent to break up the froth. It the cow is so weak it's down and can't swallow the detergent the farmer will stab her in the left side and kick her in the belly to squirt out the froth.

Those animals go through a lot just so you guys can have a steak.


Sorry to respectfully disagree. Your use of layman's terms seem to be designed to conjure up maximum shock value mental images in those who don't understand animal husbandry and medicine. Plus you are mixing up free gas bloat with frothy bloat at times.

Frothy bloat occurs when unadapted cattle graze damp, lush, quickly growing clover, alfalfa or legume (or yes, early wheat) pastures. A stable, persistent foam cap is created on top of the rumen liquor (fluid) due to (1) rapid digestion of the feed forming fine particles and (2) soluble plant proteins acting as foaming agents. As a result a foam is created that traps the gas bubbles given off during rumen fermentation. Instead of the gas being eructated (belched), it builds up the foam. As the rumen becomes progressively distended by the foam, bloat occurs. It is life threatening because if left untreated, an animal will die acutely from the condition.

Treatment is passing a stomach tube and giving an antifoaming agent to break up the foam cap. Options include vegetable (corn, peanut) or mineral oil, surfactants, or yes, detergents, but NOT a detergent like liquid Tide from "the farmers" laundry room.

"Stabbing" (trocharization) is for free gas bloat. Only if the oral tube route doesn't work or if the animal is critically near death in frothy bloat (I ASSume your "downer cow") do you trochar ("stab") the rumen (a rumenotomy) and add the antifoaming agent directly to the foam cap to dissipate it. I don't know what kicking would accomplish since you would have zero success rate doing so to a 55 gallon drum full of fluid and expect to dislodge a foam cap off of it through a 1 inch diameter bore trocharization....

Lastly, esophageal dysfunction and failure to eructate are hallmarks of free gas bloat, not frothy. Albeit if an animal repeatedly frothy bloats to the point of damage to rumen/esophageal innervation, will you get an animal susceptible to free gas bloat.

ETA: Wow....good to know my thread killing ability remains intact. ;)

Bat Spit
Sun, Aug-19-07, 07:09
Fetch, you seem quite knowledgeable so I'll ask. Why are cattle grazed in these pastures if this is a common problem?

I've seen horses eat themselves sick on fresh green spring grass. Is this a similar problem where it only happens to a few?

NorthPeace
Sun, Aug-19-07, 10:10
I've seen horses eat themselves sick on fresh green spring grass. Is this a similar problem where it only happens to a few?
It also happens to elk (wapiti) grazing alfalfa.

Eden7
Sun, Aug-19-07, 10:50
From what I understand, bloat will usually occur when the cattle have been off pasture, then put on to rapidly growing green legume etc. Generally it happens in Feb. March when there has been a light frost on the pasture. The greens compact (I thought) in the rumen, etc. We have always fed our dairy cow and her calf grass hay before going out to new pasture if they've been in a dryer lot. I've noticed the farmers who are growing beef cattle out here always feed dry hay too in the begining of the grass growing season. A cow's rumen needs to adjust to her food over a period of time. Any kind of abrupt change can cause problems. I've also heard that once a cow bloats they're always more suseptable to bloating from then on. Bye the way, I've never heard of anyone kicking their cow's rumen when they were bloating. That sounds pretty senseless. I suspect the Texas farmers are trying to save $ and not feeding dry hay before they turn them out to the wheat pasture. They use wheat because that's what grows sucessfully out there and it's rich in protein. I've heard of cows overeating new grass, if you feed hay their rumen fills up then you turn them out and they won't overeat. But they're not like horses. Horses don't have rumens from what I understand. I look forward to hearing more of what Fetch has to say about your question.
Eden

waywardsis
Mon, Aug-20-07, 08:48
Those animals go through a lot just so you guys can have a steak.Honestly. That was really snarky and judgemental, esp when so many of us here are doing all we can to source and purchase meat of all kinds that is pastured, local and well-treated, not to mention educate ourselves about animal husbandry. I rarely get offended but this is an issue that is very important to me - don't make ASSumptions about people (us guys) just because they (we) eat meat.

Thanks Fetch and Eden for intelligent, informative (and informed) responses.

Didy
Mon, Aug-20-07, 09:04
I've seen horses eat themselves sick on fresh green spring grass. Is this a similar problem where it only happens to a few?

With horses, it causes an extremely painful and sometimes deadly condition called "Colic". If the horses don't die from it, many are left lame.

One time, one of my steers got into the grain bin and ate a bit much. My vet had me chase him around for several hours, just to keep him burping and farting...we immediately bought a lock for the bin after that...

jwc
Mon, Aug-20-07, 09:46
http://beef.osu.edu/library/bloat.html

http://www.oznet.k-state.edu/pr_forage/pubs/97notebook/fora23.pdf

http://www.oznet.k-state.edu/pr_forage/pubs/97notebook/fora38.pdf

http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/livestock/beef/baa14s00.html

We didn't have much wheat pasture on the ranch where I grew up, but the spring Alfalfa or clover could sure do it if they got through a fence they were not supposed to get through. Certainly don't remember anyone running around kicking cows to make them better :eek: These cures from the first article are ones I was unaware of as well. "A few recommendations from the past seem unusual today, for example, "feather burnt, and held for some time while in full smoke, close under the nose of the animal"(1795); and "a pint of gin to each animal"(1925)"

Sheep also have the problem:
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/sheep/articles/pasbloat.html

As mentioned, need to watch the horses for other reasons.