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Rich Travs
Thu, Jul-12-07, 05:16
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6291254.stm
Researchers have found fossil remains of early human ancestors
in Ethiopia that date to a little known period in human
evolution.
The cache included several complete jaws and one partial
skeleton, and was unearthed at Woranso-Mille in the country's
Afar desert.
The remains were recovered 30km from the site where "Lucy" -
one of the most famous human ancestors - was found.
The specimens have been dated to between 3.5 and 3.8 million
years ago. ...
claudiusde
Thu, Jul-12-07, 05:16
Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the bones of
many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs, suggesting that the
hominids lived in a far greener and more wooded countryside
than the bare stony Afar desert region seen today.
Rich Travs
Thu, Jul-12-07, 05:16
claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> region seen today.
What, no oyster shells?
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 05:16
Op 12-07-2007 07:59, in artikel
4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
<traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:
> claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
>> region seen today.
> What, no oyster shells?
You do you think that??
No, no, my boy: green & wooded, nicely confirming our scenario
in our TREE paper (google "aquarboreal"):
Australopithecine lifestyle It has become increasingly clear
that most, if not all, hominids dwelt in Œwet¹ rather than
Œdry¹ habitats, and there is little doubt that the early
australopithecines of between four and three million years ago
dwelt in well-wooded and even forested milieus such as swampy
woodlands or streamside forests. For example, Radosevich and
co-workers, in a paper on Australopithecus afarensis from
Hadar, East Africa, said: ŒThe bones were found in swale-like
features ... it is very likely that they died and partially
rotted at or very near this site ... this group of hominids
was buried in streamside gallery woodland¹6. In addition,
Rayner and co-workers wrote that the A. africanus fossils of
Makapansgat, South Africa, were found in Œvery different
conditions from those prevailing today. Higher rainfall,
fertile, alkaline soils and moderate relief supported
significant patches of sub-tropical forest and thick bush,
rather than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the hominins¹
preferred habitat rather than grassland or bushveld, and the
adaptation of these animals was therefore fitted to a forest
habitat¹7. Tobias, on the same species, recently wrote: ŒFrom
Sterkfontein, suggestions of greater woodland cover at the
time when Australopithecus was deposited in Member 4, had
emerged from studies on fossil pollen, but these were not
compelling. Then Wits team member Marian Bamford identified
fossil vines or lianas of Dichapetalum in the same Member
4: such vines hang from forest trees and would not be
expected in open savannah. The team at Makapansgat found
floral and faunal evidence that the layers containing
Australopithecus reflected forest or forest margin
conditions. From Hadar, in Ethiopia, where ŒLucy¹ was
found, and from Aramis in Ethiopia, where Tim White¹s team
found Ardipithecus ramidus, possibly the oldest hominid
ever discovered, well-wooded and even forested conditions
were inferred from the fauna accompanying the hominid
fossils. All the fossil evidence adds up to the
small-brained, bipedal hominids of four to
5.5 million years ago having lived in a woodland or forest
niche, not savannah¹5. The later robust australopithecines
of two to one million years ago, lived in more open, though
not treeless, environments, apparently near riverbanks, lake
margins and reedbeds. For example, Kromdraai A. robustus was
found near grassveld and streamside or marsh vegetation, in
the vicinity of quail, pipits, starlings and swallows, as
well as parrots, lovebirds and similar
psittacine birds19. Turkana A. aethiopicus was discovered in
Œoverbank deposits of a large perennial river¹, amid water-
and reedbucks20. Chesowanja A. boisei lay in a lagoon amid
exclusively aquatic species21. ŒAbundant root casts Š
suggest that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the
presence of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was
warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant
of relatively stagnant water й21. This impression of marsh
vegetation the early australopithecines in more wooded and
the robusts in more open milieus is compatible with all
other information we have on australopithecines: postcranial
skeleton, masticatory and dentitional data, enamel
microwear, strontium/calcium ratios, and isotopic evidence.
Fossilized footprints and skeletal remains suggest that
australopithecines were bipedal, though their short-legged
style of bipedalism was different from that seen in
humans22, and apparently included a somewhat forward-leaning
trunk posture23. The StW 573 foot Œhad both bipedal and
climbing adaptations. This skeleton¹s foot morphology is
consistent with the bipedal Laetoli footprints, which are
not those of fully human feet, but which have very clear
ape-like morphology¹ xxx. Other tree-climbing features in
early australopithecines include the apelike upward directed
shoulder joints (glenoid fossae) and curved finger and toe
phalanges, whereas such features are less obvious in the
later robusts.
Dental studies suggest that whereas gracile australopithecines
preferred softer fruits and vegetables, the robusts¹ diet
included harder food items24-28,pp. Estimates of robust
australopithecine bite force suggest Œlow-energy food that had
to be processed in great quantities¹ and food objects Œhard
and round in shape¹29. DuBrul noticed striking dental
parallelisms between the robust australopithecines and the
bamboo-eating giant panda (broad, high and heavy cheekbones,
reduced prognathism and front teeth, very broad molar teeth,
premolar molarization), particularly when compared to gracile
australopithecines and non-panda bears respectively25.
Students of fossil hominid teeth agree that broad molars with
thick enamel and rounded cusps, while unsuitable for the
regular processing of tough foods like leaves or meat, are
suitable for the processing of hard food items. Papyrus and
reed were abundant in the paleo-environment of the later
australopithecines (e.g. Olduvai, Chesowanja, Kromdraai), and
Cyperaceae and Gramineae are part of the diet of living
African hominoidspp. Gorillas eat sedges and bamboo shoots and
stalks, all African hominids eat cane, chimpanzees and humans
eat water lilies, and rice and other cereals are staple food
for humans. Supplementing their diet with harder parts of
plants possibly helped the robusts to bridge the dry season,
when fruits and soft vegetables were scarcer.
Studies of dental enamel microwear provide further details. In
the early A. afarensis (Garusi-Laetoli and Hadar), the
cheekteeth enamel has a typical glossy polished surface and
the microwear has resemblances to that of capybaras and
mountain beavers30. These animals are semi-aquatic rodents
that feed mainly on succulent marsh and riverside herbs, as
well as grasses and the bark of young trees. It has recently
become clear that Western lowland gorillas spend some time
eating what researchers call AHV (aquatic herbaceous
vegetation) such as Hydrocharitaceae herbs and Cyperaceae
sedges3. Comparisons of molar enamel in South African fossils
show that A. robustus ate substantially more hard food items
than the earlier A. africanus31. Incisal microwear suggest
that A. robustus may have ingested foods that required less
extensive incisal preparation than the foods consumed by A.
africanus32, and incisal reduction in A. robustus also
suggests a less frugivorous diet, since Œincisors need not be
employed in the manipulation of hard objects¹33. The enamel of
the East African robusts (A. boisei of Olduvai and Peninj)
displays more pits, wide parallel striations and deep recessed
dentine27,pp. This microwear pattern has some resemblances
with that of beavers, which feed on riverine and riverside
herbs, the roots of water lilies, bark and woody plants. It
thus seems probable that an early australopithecine diet of
fruits (larger front teeth) and aquatic herbs (polishing) was
supplemented with woody plants in the robusts (more wear). The
suggestion of Walker, that
A. boisei KNM-ER 406 and 729 were bulk-eaters of Œsmall, hard
fruits with casings, pulp, seeds and all¹26, could explain
the deep recessed occlusal dentine, but not the glossy
appearance of the heavily polished enamel, which is more
typical of marsh plant feeders27,30. In terrestrial
grazers, tooth wear is very different34. In sheep, for
instance, the occlusal wear facets are not rounded. These
microwear data are consistent with the strontium/calcium
ratios35, as well as with the isotopic data of South
African australopithecines34. Apart from partial carnivory,
Sillen provides two possible explanations for the low Sr/Ca
ratios of A. robustus: eating leaves and shoots of forbs
and woody plants, and eating food derived from a wet
microhabitat, for instance, from well-drained streamside
soils35. Sillen as well as Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp,
following Œhunting hypotheses¹, prefer the regular
consumption of animal food as an explanation for the Sr/Ca
ratios and the isotopic data in A. robustus35,34, rather
than considering in our opinion the more logical
explanation that they might have eaten invertebrates as
well as cyperaceous sedges and other marshland plants.
Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp say that A. africanus Œate not
only fruits and leaves but also large quantities of
carbon-13-enriched foods such as grasses and sedges or
animals that ate these plants, or both¹34. Since
terrestrial grasses are incompatible with the polished,
rounded microwear30,34, and predominant meat-eating is
unlikely in view of the blunt, huge and broad
cheekteeth25,26,36, their diet more probably included
marshland plants such as Cyperaceae, as is indicated by
several very different studies27,30,34,35,pp. Several
independent lines of evidence paleo-milieu, postcranial
skeleton, dental morphology, enamel microwear, Sr/Ca
ratios, isotopic data suggest that some or all
australopithecines regularly waded bipedally in search of
plants growing in and near shallow waters. They might have
waded in much the same way as living hominid species such
as bonobos and Western gorillas do today (Figure 4), only
much more frequently2,3. This does not exclude the
possibility, however, that early hominids, including some
australopithecine species, might have processed and
consumed animal food when available37,38.
Lee Olsen
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
On Jul 12, 12:24 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 12-07-2007 07:59, in artikel
> 4695C356.B76C3...@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:
>
> > claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> >> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> >> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> >> region seen today.
> > What, no oyster shells?
>
> You do you think that??
>
> No, no, my boy: green & wooded, nicely confirming our
> scenario in our TREE paper (google "aquarboreal"):
Yes, the same opinion paper that claimed mountain beavers are
semi- aquatic. (Google mountain beavers)
<snip rest of rubbish>
>
This is about Homo....
Message-ID: <430778e6$0$6564$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> Marc
Verhaegen says: "AAT is about Homo, *not* about hominids
in general."
Lee Olsen
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
On Jul 12, 4:25 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
> <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>
> > "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
> > message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
> >> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> >>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> >>> region seen today.
> >> What, no oyster shells?
>
> No, no oyster shells near apiths: apiths were vertical
> waders-climbers in swamp forests, feeding (at least
> seasonally) on low-quality foods such as sedges etc., as
> you should know. Shellfish only (& always AFAIK) near
> Homo AFAIK.
Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part of
early Homo diet.
> Please inform. Some examples:
>
> 1) apiths:
> - Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic reptiles,
> kudus and monkeys are prevalent. =8CA wide gallery forest
> would have almost certain=
ly
> been present on the large river that brought in the
> sediments=B9 (Leakey
> cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit of
> kudus in galle=
ry
> forests...
> - Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: =8CThe non-hominid fauna
> contains aquatic =
taxa
> (such as Siluridae, Trionyx, cf.Tomistoma), taxa adapted to
> wooded habita=
ts
> (such as Loxodonta, Kobus, Kolpochoerus) and to more open
> areas (such as Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ... compatible with
> a lakeside environment=B9 (Brunet cs.1995).
> - Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: =8CThe bones were found in
> swale-like featur=
es
> [=8A] it is very likely that they died and partially rotted
> at or very ne=
ar
> this site [=8A] this group of hominids was buried in
> streamside gallery woodland=B9 (Radosevich cs.1992).
> - Lucy: small, slow moving stream. =8CFossil preservation at
> this localit=
y is
> excellent, remains of delicate items such as crocodile and
> turtle eggs and crab claws being found=B9 (Johanson &
> Taieb 1976).
> - Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions from
> those prevail=
ing
> today. Higher rainfall, fertile, alkaline soils and moderate
> relief supported significant patches of sub-tropical forest
> and thick bush, rath=
er
> than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the hominins=B9
> preferred habi=
tat
> rather than grassland or bushveld, and the adaptations of
> these animals w=
as
> therefore fitted to a forest habitat' (Rayner cs.1993).
> - Taung: =8Cthe clayey matrix from which the Taung cranium
> was extracted,=
and
> the frequent occurrence of calcite veins and void fillings
> within it do suggest a more humid environment during its
> accumulation=B9 (Partridge 19=
85).
> - Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
> starlings, swallow=
s,
> & parrots, lovebirds & similar psittacine birds (T.N.Pocock
> in Brain 1981=
)=2E
> - Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was
> discovered near the boundary between overbank deposits of
> large perennial river and alluvial =
fan
> deposits, amid water- and reedbucks (Walker cs.1986).
> - Lake Turkana: =8CThe lake margins were generally swampy,
> with extensive areas of mudflats [=8A] Australopithecus
> boisei was more abundant in fluv=
ial
> environments, whereas Homo habilis was rare in such
> environments [=8A] Australopithecus fossils are more common
> than Homo both in channel and floodplain deposits. The
> gracile hominids [=8A] seem to be more restricted
> ecologically to the lake margin than are the robust forms=B9
> (Conroy, 199=
).
> - Ileret Au.boisei: =8Cthe fossil sample reflects climatic
> and ecological environmental conditions differing
> significantly from those of the present day. At Ileret,
> 1.5 Myr ago, climatic conditions must have been cooler
> and more humid than today, and more favourable to
> extensive forests [=8A] The prominence of montane forest
> is particularly striking [=8A] dominated by Gramineae
> and Chenopodiaceae appropriate to the margins of a
> slightly sal=
ine
> or alkaline lake=B9 (Bonnefille 1976).
> - Chesowanja Au.boisei: =8CThe fossiliferous sediments were
> deposited in a lagoon [=8A] Abundant root casts [=8A]
> suggest that the embayment was fla=
nked by
> reeds and the presence of calcareous algae indicates that
> the lagoon was warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are
> animals tolerant of relatively stagnant water, and such
> situation would also be suitable for turtles and
> crocodiles=B9 (Carney cs.1971).
> - Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as habilis
> O.H.7 and O.H.=
62
> were found in the most densely vegetated, wettest condition,
> with the highest lake levels (Walter cs.1991), near
> ostracods, freshwater snails, fish, and aquatic birds
> (Conroy 1990); =8C[=8A] the middle Bed-I faunas i=
ndicate
> a very rich closed woodland environment, richer than any
> part of the present-day savanna biome in Africa [=8A]=B9
> (Fern=E1ndez-Jalvo cs.1998).
> =8CFossilized leaves and pollen are rare in the sediments of
> =Beds I and I=
I,
> but swamp vegetation is indicated by abundant vertical roots
> channels and casts possibly made by some kind of reed.
> Fossil rhizomes of papyrus also suggest the presence of
> marshland and/or shallow water=B9 (Conroy 1990). =
=8C[=8A]
> Cyperaceae fruits were common in H. habilis habitat
> (Bonnefille 1984). Ancient Egyptians ate Cyperus papyrus
> root which was also present at Oldu=
vai
> in swamp-margins and river banks' (Puech 1992).
Caution here. Watch for quotation marks above (or lack of
them).
Here, for example, Marc cited Dennell in the same sentence
with the claim "always near lakes or seas" which of course
is a lie. Then Marc later claims he didn't actually quote
Dennell because he didn't use quotation marks. So readers
be advised on the dishonest tactics used by Verhaegen. This
is the same unreliable source that claimed mountain beavers
are semiaquatic. Be advised to double check everything this
loon says.
Message ID: 42e54fa7$0$6141$ba620...@news.skynet.be Verhaegen
: "1.8-Ma Homo remains come from Algeria, Iran, Kenya,
Georgia, Java... always near lakes or seas (R.Dennell 2003 JHE
85:1);..."
>
> 2) Homo:
> - Mojokerto H.erectus: =8CThe basal part of the Putjangan
> Beds is compose=
d of
> volcanic breccias containing marine and freshwater molluscs.
> The rest of =
the
> Putjangan Beds is composed of black clays of lacustrine
> origin=B9 (Ninkov=
ich &
> Burckle 1978).
Of course it is now known the Homo fossil was found with land
mammals and C4 grass (read savanna), not with shells as
previously thought (Huffman 2005: fig. 5).
The Mojokerto Homo find is an excellent example of the savanna
hypothesis. Thanks Marc.
<snip
Lee Olsen
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
On Jul 12, 4:37 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
> <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>
> > "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
> > message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
> >> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> >>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> >>> region seen today.
> >> What, no oyster shells?
>
> Why?? =20
>
> (This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
>
> > The interesting feature about all these sites is their
> > closeness to the (fossil) Sea of Afar. Bear in mind also
> > that the whole region has been rising (as the result of
> > geo- tectonic forces) over the past few million years. The
> > sites would have been much closer to sea-level when they
> > were occupied by hominids. Paul
>
> Yes, not unlikely. Homo seems to appear in the Rift with
> high sea levels: MH Trauth cs.2005 "Late Cenozoic Moisture
> History of East Africa" Science
> 309:2051-3: "3 humid periods at 2.7=AD2.5, 1.9=AD1.7 &
> 1.1=AD0.9 Ma ...=
could
> have had important impacts on the speciation & dispersal of
> mammals & hominins"
>
I like this post. Marc, the guy who thinks mountain beavers
are semi- aquatic, is discussing the finer points of science
with the guy who thinks chimps can't dig.
> --Marc Verhaegenhttp://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere-
> .htmhttp://gro=
ups.yahoo.com/group/AAT
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
Aonli.20826$j7.378484@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
<slkwuoiutiuytciuyik@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>> claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the bones
>>> of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs, suggesting that
>>> the hominids lived in a far greener and more wooded
>>> countryside than the bare stony Afar desert region seen
>>> today.
>> What, no oyster shells?
No, no oyster shells near apiths: apiths were vertical
waders-climbers in swamp forests, feeding (at least
seasonally) on low-quality foods such as sedges etc., as you
should know. Shellfish only (& always AFAIK) near Homo AFAIK.
Please inform. Some examples:
1) apiths:
- Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic reptiles,
kudus and monkeys are prevalent. ŒA wide gallery forest
would have almost certainly been present on the large river
that brought in the sediments¹ (Leakey
cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit of kudus
in gallery forests...
- Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: ŒThe non-hominid fauna contains
aquatic taxa (such as Siluridae, Trionyx, cf.Tomistoma),
taxa adapted to wooded habitats (such as Loxodonta, Kobus,
Kolpochoerus) and to more open areas (such as
Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ... compatible with a lakeside
environment¹ (Brunet cs.1995).
- Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: ŒThe bones were found in
swale-like features [Š] it is very likely that they died and
partially rotted at or very near this site [Š] this group of
hominids was buried in streamside gallery woodland¹
(Radosevich cs.1992).
- Lucy: small, slow moving stream. ŒFossil preservation at
this locality is excellent, remains of delicate items such
as crocodile and turtle eggs and crab claws being found¹
(Johanson & Taieb 1976).
- Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions from
those prevailing today. Higher rainfall, fertile, alkaline
soils and moderate relief supported significant patches of
sub-tropical forest and thick bush, rather than savannah ...
sub-tropical forest was the hominins¹ preferred habitat
rather than grassland or bushveld, and the adaptations of
these animals was therefore fitted to a forest habitat'
(Rayner cs.1993).
- Taung: Œthe clayey matrix from which the Taung cranium was
extracted, and the frequent occurrence of calcite veins and
void fillings within it do suggest a more humid environment
during its accumulation¹ (Partridge 1985).
- Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
starlings, swallows, & parrots, lovebirds & similar
psittacine birds (T.N.Pocock in Brain 1981).
- Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was discovered
near the boundary between overbank deposits of large
perennial river and alluvial fan deposits, amid water- and
reedbucks (Walker cs.1986).
- Lake Turkana: ŒThe lake margins were generally swampy, with
extensive areas of mudflats [Š] Australopithecus boisei was
more abundant in fluvial environments, whereas Homo habilis
was rare in such environments [Š] Australopithecus fossils
are more common than Homo both in channel and floodplain
deposits. The gracile hominids [Š] seem to be more
restricted ecologically to the lake margin than are the
robust forms¹ (Conroy, 1990).
- Ileret Au.boisei: Œthe fossil sample reflects climatic and
ecological environmental conditions differing significantly
from those of the present day. At Ileret, 1.5 Myr ago,
climatic conditions must have been cooler and more humid
than today, and more favourable to extensive forests [Š]
The prominence of montane forest is particularly striking
[Š] dominated by Gramineae and Chenopodiaceae appropriate
to the margins of a slightly saline or alkaline lake¹
(Bonnefille 1976).
- Chesowanja Au.boisei: ŒThe fossiliferous sediments were
deposited in a lagoon [Š] Abundant root casts [Š] suggest
that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the presence of
calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was warm and
shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant of
relatively stagnant water, and such situation would also be
suitable for turtles and crocodiles¹ (Carney cs.1971).
- Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as habilis
O.H.7 and O.H.62 were found in the most densely vegetated,
wettest condition, with the highest lake levels (Walter
cs.1991), near ostracods, freshwater snails, fish, and
aquatic birds (Conroy 1990); Œ[Š] the middle Bed-I faunas
indicate a very rich closed woodland environment, richer
than any part of the present-day savanna biome in Africa
[Š]¹ (Fernández-Jalvo cs.1998). ŒFossilized leaves and
pollen are rare in the sediments of Beds I and II, but swamp
vegetation is indicated by abundant vertical roots channels
and casts possibly made by some kind of reed. Fossil
rhizomes of papyrus also suggest the presence of marshland
and/or shallow water¹ (Conroy 1990). Œ[Š] Cyperaceae fruits
were common in H. habilis habitat (Bonnefille 1984). Ancient
Egyptians ate Cyperus papyrus root which was also present at
Olduvai in swamp-margins and river banks' (Puech 1992).
2) Homo:
- Mojokerto H.erectus: ŒThe basal part of the Putjangan Beds
is composed of volcanic breccias containing marine and
freshwater molluscs. The rest of the Putjangan Beds is
composed of black clays of lacustrine origin¹ (Ninkovich &
Burckle 1978).
- Chiwondo Beds Malawi: Homo fossils, fish, turtles,
crocodiles, large mammals & molluscs 'in consolidated beds
of carbonate cemented sandstone. Molluscan shell beds crop
out as benches up to several meters thick and several
hundred meters wide' (Schrenk cs.1995:59).
- The late Pliocene Chemeron hominid KNM-BC 1 was deposited in
a lake filled basin where fish remains were abundant &
mollusc remains accumulated to form shelly limestones
(Martyn & Tobias 1967).
- Early Pleistocene archaeol.sites from the Jordan Valley
Erk-el-Ahmar & ¹Ubeidiya are associated with lacustrine &
fluvial deposits rich in fresh water gastropod and bivalve
remains, fish, turtles, hippos & birds (Bar-Yosef &
Tchernov 1972).
- Aïn Hanech, 1.8 Ma, was formed on an alluvial floodplain cut
by a meandering river (oxbow lake), and may indicate
repeated activities by hominids at a shallow river
embankment (Sahnouni cs.2002).
- Pabbi Hills, Pakistan, 2 Ma: deposits which also contain
crocodiles, turtles, aquatic gastropods & bivalves. The
molluscs suggest a large, slow-moving river with clean
shallow water less than 5 m deep (Dennell
2004).
- Sangiran, Java: H.erectus: 'a thin layer of diatoms
(unicellular marine phytoplankton) & dark clays with a
marine musselfauna was deposited by the sea, as was noticed
and described before by Professor Martin from Leiden' (von
Koenigswald 1981).
- Hominids on Java were using mollusc shells to butcher
mammals, presumably to gain access to nutritious meats 1.5
Ma (Choi & Driwantoro 2007).
- Majuangou, Nihewan, China, 1.66 Ma: hominids inhabited a
lake filled basin, where the remains of aquatic molluscs,
leaves & fruits of aquatic plants have been discovered,
indicating a low energy lakeshore or marsh environment
(Zhu cs.2004).
- Middle Awash, Daka Member, Bouri Formation, Ethiopia, 1 Ma,
contains artefacts, H.erectus cranial & postcrania, abundant
hippo fossils, gastropods & bivalves associated with
alluvial, lakeside beaches or shallow water deposits in
distributary channels (Asfaw cs.2002).
- Dungo V, Angola, reveals evidence for the exploitation of a
large whale (Balaenoptera sp) on a former beach >1 Ma.
Closely associated with the whale skeleton were numerous
Lower Palaeolithic artefacts, together with numerous
molluscs, other marine invertebrates & shark teeth
(Gutierrez cs.2001). Of course, we all know that sharks run
on 2 legs over the African savanna.
- Etc.etc.
-- Marc Verhaegen
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
Aonli.20826$j7.378484@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
<slkwuoiutiuytciuyik@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
> "Rich Travsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>> claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the bones
>>> of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs, suggesting that
>>> the hominids lived in a far greener and more wooded
>>> countryside than the bare stony Afar desert region seen
>>> today.
>> What, no oyster shells?
Why??
(This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
> The interesting feature about all these sites is their
> closeness to the (fossil) Sea of Afar. Bear in mind also
> that the whole region has been rising (as the result of geo-
> tectonic forces) over the past few million years. The sites
> would have been much closer to sea-level when they were
> occupied by hominids. Paul
Yes, not unlikely. Homo seems to appear in the Rift with high
sea levels: MH Trauth cs.2005 "Late Cenozoic Moisture History
of East Africa" Science
309:2051-3: "3 humid periods at 2.72.5, 1.91.7 & 1.10.9 Ma
... could have had important impacts on the speciation &
dispersal of mammals & hominins"
--Marc Verhaegen
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT
Paul Crowl
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
"Marc Verhaegen" <m_verhaegen@skynet.be> wrote in message
news:C2BBDF37.469C%m_verhaegen@skynet.be...
>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
>>>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
>>>> region seen today.
>
>>> What, no oyster shells?
>
> Why??
>
> (This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
Apiths and homo should be 'confused' in this respect. They
occupied the same niche, and ate the same food: i.e. much the
same as us, and not too different from that of chimps: fruit,
nuts, berries, some meat, and (though not for chimps) roots
dug from the ground.
>> The interesting feature about all these sites is their
>> closeness to the (fossil) Sea of Afar. Bear in mind also
>> that the whole region has been rising (as the result of
>> geo- tectonic forces) over the past few million years. The
>> sites would have been much closer to sea-level when they
>> were occupied by hominids. Paul
>
> Yes, not unlikely.
Not 'not unlikely'. 'Not disputable'.
> Homo seems to appear in the Rift with high sea levels: MH
> Trauth cs.2005 "Late Cenozoic Moisture History of East
> Africa" Science
> 309:2051-3: "3 humid periods at 2.72.5, 1.91.7 & 1.10.9
> Ma ... could have had important impacts on the
> speciation & dispersal of mammals & hominins"
Hominids in the Rift Valley would, essentially, have been
refugees rarely, if ever, raising young to maturity. If
their presence in the Rift does coincide with wet periods,
then it probably means that they could not usually get there
(from their coastal habitat) during the dry periods. They
would have had to cross too many miles of empty desert.
Whereas in wet periods, they would have found trees and
grasslands on the way.
Paul.
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 16:48, in artikel
1184251738.479695.62420@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:
> On Jul 12, 12:24 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 12-07-2007 07:59, in artikel
>> 4695C356.B76C3...@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
>> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:
>>
>>> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
>>>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
>>>> region seen today.
>>> What, no oyster shells?
>>
>> You do you think that??
>>
>> No, no, my boy: green & wooded, nicely confirming our
>> scenario in our TREE paper (google "aquarboreal"):
>
> Yes, the same opinion paper that claimed mountain beavers
> are semi- aquatic. (Google mountain beavers)
Myt little little boy, even if mountain beavers don't live
along freshwaters, this in no way falsifies our paper: just
leave out the word "montain beaver" in this text, ok?:
Australopithecine lifestyle It has become increasingly clear
that most, if not all, hominids dwelt in Œwet¹ rather than
Œdry¹ habitats, and there is little doubt that the early
australopithecines of between four and three million years ago
dwelt in well-wooded and even forested milieus such as swampy
woodlands or streamside forests. For example, Radosevich and
co-workers, in a paper on Australopithecus afarensis from
Hadar, East Africa, said: ŒThe bones were found in swale-like
features ... it is very likely that they died and partially
rotted at or very near this site ... this group of hominids
was buried in streamside gallery woodland¹6. In addition,
Rayner and co-workers wrote that the A. africanus fossils of
Makapansgat, South Africa, were found in Œvery different
conditions from those prevailing today. Higher rainfall,
fertile, alkaline soils and moderate relief supported
significant patches of sub-tropical forest and thick bush,
rather than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the hominins¹
preferred habitat rather than grassland or bushveld, and the
adaptation of these animals was therefore fitted to a forest
habitat¹7. Tobias, on the same species, recently wrote: ŒFrom
Sterkfontein, suggestions of greater woodland cover at the
time when Australopithecus was deposited in Member 4, had
emerged from studies on fossil pollen, but these were not
compelling. Then Wits team member Marian Bamford identified
fossil vines or lianas of Dichapetalum in the same Member
1184251739: such vines hang from forest trees and would not be
expected in open savannah. The team at Makapansgat
found floral and faunal evidence that the layers
containing Australopithecus reflected forest or
forest margin conditions. From Hadar, in Ethiopia,
where ŒLucy¹ was found, and from Aramis in
Ethiopia, where Tim White¹s team found
Ardipithecus ramidus, possibly the oldest hominid
ever discovered, well-wooded and even forested
conditions were inferred from the fauna
accompanying the hominid fossils. All the fossil
evidence adds up to the small-brained, bipedal
hominids of four to
1184251740.5 million years ago having lived in a woodland or
forest niche, not savannah¹5. The later robust
australopithecines of two to one million years ago,
lived in more open, though not treeless,
environments, apparently near riverbanks, lake
margins and reedbeds. For example, Kromdraai A.
robustus was found near grassveld and streamside or
marsh vegetation, in the vicinity of quail, pipits,
starlings and swallows, as well as parrots,
lovebirds and similar
psittacine birds19. Turkana A. aethiopicus was discovered in
Œoverbank deposits of a large perennial river¹, amid water-
and reedbucks20. Chesowanja A. boisei lay in a lagoon amid
exclusively aquatic species21. ŒAbundant root casts Š
suggest that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the
presence of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was
warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant
of relatively stagnant water й21. This impression of marsh
vegetation the early australopithecines in more wooded and
the robusts in more open milieus is compatible with all
other information we have on australopithecines: postcranial
skeleton, masticatory and dentitional data, enamel
microwear, strontium/calcium ratios, and isotopic evidence.
Fossilized footprints and skeletal remains suggest that
australopithecines were bipedal, though their short-legged
style of bipedalism was different from that seen in
humans22, and apparently included a somewhat forward-leaning
trunk posture23. The StW 573 foot Œhad both bipedal and
climbing adaptations. This skeleton¹s foot morphology is
consistent with the bipedal Laetoli footprints, which are
not those of fully human feet, but which have very clear
ape-like morphology¹ xxx. Other tree-climbing features in
early australopithecines include the apelike upward directed
shoulder joints (glenoid fossae) and curved finger and toe
phalanges, whereas such features are less obvious in the
later robusts.
Dental studies suggest that whereas gracile australopithecines
preferred softer fruits and vegetables, the robusts¹ diet
included harder food items24-28,pp. Estimates of robust
australopithecine bite force suggest Œlow-energy food that had
to be processed in great quantities¹ and food objects Œhard
and round in shape¹29. DuBrul noticed striking dental
parallelisms between the robust australopithecines and the
bamboo-eating giant panda (broad, high and heavy cheekbones,
reduced prognathism and front teeth, very broad molar teeth,
premolar molarization), particularly when compared to gracile
australopithecines and non-panda bears respectively25.
Students of fossil hominid teeth agree that broad molars with
thick enamel and rounded cusps, while unsuitable for the
regular processing of tough foods like leaves or meat, are
suitable for the processing of hard food items. Papyrus and
reed were abundant in the paleo-environment of the later
australopithecines (e.g. Olduvai, Chesowanja, Kromdraai), and
Cyperaceae and Gramineae are part of the diet of living
African hominoidspp. Gorillas eat sedges and bamboo shoots and
stalks, all African hominids eat cane, chimpanzees and humans
eat water lilies, and rice and other cereals are staple food
for humans. Supplementing their diet with harder parts of
plants possibly helped the robusts to bridge the dry season,
when fruits and soft vegetables were scarcer.
Studies of dental enamel microwear provide further details. In
the early A. afarensis (Garusi-Laetoli and Hadar), the
cheekteeth enamel has a typical glossy polished surface and
the microwear has resemblances to that of capybaras and
mountain beavers30. These animals are semi-aquatic rodents
that feed mainly on succulent marsh and riverside herbs, as
well as grasses and the bark of young trees. It has recently
become clear that Western lowland gorillas spend some time
eating what researchers call AHV (aquatic herbaceous
vegetation) such as Hydrocharitaceae herbs and Cyperaceae
sedges3. Comparisons of molar enamel in South African fossils
show that A. robustus ate substantially more hard food items
than the earlier A. africanus31. Incisal microwear suggest
that A. robustus may have ingested foods that required less
extensive incisal preparation than the foods consumed by A.
africanus32, and incisal reduction in A. robustus also
suggests a less frugivorous diet, since Œincisors need not be
employed in the manipulation of hard objects¹33. The enamel of
the East African robusts (A. boisei of Olduvai and Peninj)
displays more pits, wide parallel striations and deep recessed
dentine27,pp. This microwear pattern has some resemblances
with that of beavers, which feed on riverine and riverside
herbs, the roots of water lilies, bark and woody plants. It
thus seems probable that an early australopithecine diet of
fruits (larger front teeth) and aquatic herbs (polishing) was
supplemented with woody plants in the robusts (more wear). The
suggestion of Walker, that
A. boisei KNM-ER 406 and 729 were bulk-eaters of Œsmall, hard
fruits with casings, pulp, seeds and all¹26, could explain
the deep recessed occlusal dentine, but not the glossy
appearance of the heavily polished enamel, which is more
typical of marsh plant feeders27,30. In terrestrial
grazers, tooth wear is very different34. In sheep, for
instance, the occlusal wear facets are not rounded. These
microwear data are consistent with the strontium/calcium
ratios35, as well as with the isotopic data of South
African australopithecines34. Apart from partial carnivory,
Sillen provides two possible explanations for the low Sr/Ca
ratios of A. robustus: eating leaves and shoots of forbs
and woody plants, and eating food derived from a wet
microhabitat, for instance, from well-drained streamside
soils35. Sillen as well as Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp,
following Œhunting hypotheses¹, prefer the regular
consumption of animal food as an explanation for the Sr/Ca
ratios and the isotopic data in A. robustus35,34, rather
than considering in our opinion the more logical
explanation that they might have eaten invertebrates as
well as cyperaceous sedges and other marshland plants.
Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp say that A. africanus Œate not
only fruits and leaves but also large quantities of
carbon-13-enriched foods such as grasses and sedges or
animals that ate these plants, or both¹34. Since
terrestrial grasses are incompatible with the polished,
rounded microwear30,34, and predominant meat-eating is
unlikely in view of the blunt, huge and broad
cheekteeth25,26,36, their diet more probably included
marshland plants such as Cyperaceae, as is indicated by
several very different studies27,30,34,35,pp. Several
independent lines of evidence paleo-milieu, postcranial
skeleton, dental morphology, enamel microwear, Sr/Ca
ratios, isotopic data suggest that some or all
australopithecines regularly waded bipedally in search of
plants growing in and near shallow waters. They might have
waded in much the same way as living hominid species such
as bonobos and Western gorillas do today (Figure 4), only
much more frequently2,3. This does not exclude the
possibility, however, that early hominids, including some
australopithecine species, might have processed and
consumed animal food when available37,38.
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 17:45, in artikel
N1sli.20828$j7.378477@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
<slkwuoiutiuytciuyik@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef: ...
>> (This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
>
> Apiths and homo should be 'confused' in this respect. They
> occupied the same niche, and ate the same food: i.e. much
> the same as us, and not too different from that of chimps:
> fruit, nuts, berries, some meat, and (though not for chimps)
> roots dug from the ground.
Not so: apiths ate calorie & nutrient poor plant foods (at
least in the poor season), whereas Homo ate rich waterside
brain-secific foods (DHEA etc.).
--Marc
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 17:25, in artikel
1184253930.858436.159620@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:
> On Jul 12, 4:37 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
>> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
>> <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>>
>>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>>>> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
>>>>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
>>>>> region seen today.
>>>> What, no oyster shells?
>>
>> Why??
>>
>> (This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
>>
>>> The interesting feature about all these sites is their
>>> closeness to the (fossil) Sea of Afar. Bear in mind also
>>> that the whole region has been rising (as the result of
>>> geo- tectonic forces) over the past few million years. The
>>> sites would have been much closer to sea-level when they
>>> were occupied by hominids. Paul
>> Yes, not unlikely. Homo seems to appear in the Rift with
>> high sea levels: MH Trauth cs.2005 "Late Cenozoic Moisture
>> History of East Africa" Science
>> 309:2051-3: "3 humid periods at 2.72.5, 1.91.7 & 1.10.9
>> Ma ... could have had important impacts on the
>> speciation & dispersal of mammals & hominins"
> I like this post. Marc, the guy who thinks mountain beavers
> are semi- aquatic, is discussing the finer points of science
> with the guy who thinks chimps can't dig.
I like this post too, my little boy: it proves your stupidity:
just leave out the word "mountain beaver" & you get exactly
the same results: Australopithecine lifestyle - It has become
increasingly clear that most, if not all, hominids dwelt in
Œwet¹ rather than Œdry¹ habitats, and there is little doubt
that the early australopithecines of between four and three
million years ago dwelt in well-wooded and even forested
milieus such as swampy woodlands or streamside forests. For
example, Radosevich and co-workers, in a paper on
Australopithecus afarensis from Hadar, East Africa, said: ŒThe
bones were found in swale-like features ... it is very likely
that they died and partially rotted at or very near this site
... this group of hominids was buried in streamside gallery
woodland¹6. In addition, Rayner and co-workers wrote that the
A. africanus fossils of Makapansgat, South Africa, were found
in Œvery different conditions from those prevailing today.
Higher rainfall, fertile, alkaline soils and moderate relief
supported significant patches of sub-tropical forest and thick
bush, rather than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the
hominins¹ preferred habitat rather than grassland or bushveld,
and the adaptation of these animals was therefore fitted to a
forest habitat¹7. Tobias, on the same species, recently wrote:
ŒFrom Sterkfontein, suggestions of greater woodland cover at
the time when Australopithecus was deposited in Member 4, had
emerged from studies on fossil pollen, but these were not
compelling. Then Wits team member Marian Bamford identified
fossil vines or lianas of Dichapetalum in the same Member
1184253931: such vines hang from forest trees and would not be
expected in open savannah. The team at Makapansgat
found floral and faunal evidence that the layers
containing Australopithecus reflected forest or
forest margin conditions. From Hadar, in Ethiopia,
where ŒLucy¹ was found, and from Aramis in
Ethiopia, where Tim White¹s team found
Ardipithecus ramidus, possibly the oldest hominid
ever discovered, well-wooded and even forested
conditions were inferred from the fauna
accompanying the hominid fossils. All the fossil
evidence adds up to the small-brained, bipedal
hominids of four to
1184253932.5 million years ago having lived in a woodland or
forest niche, not savannah¹5. The later robust
australopithecines of two to one million years ago,
lived in more open, though not treeless,
environments, apparently near riverbanks, lake
margins and reedbeds. For example, Kromdraai A.
robustus was found near grassveld and streamside or
marsh vegetation, in the vicinity of quail, pipits,
starlings and swallows, as well as parrots,
lovebirds and similar
psittacine birds19. Turkana A. aethiopicus was discovered in
Œoverbank deposits of a large perennial river¹, amid water-
and reedbucks20. Chesowanja A. boisei lay in a lagoon amid
exclusively aquatic species21. ŒAbundant root casts Š
suggest that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the
presence of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was
warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant
of relatively stagnant water й21. This impression of marsh
vegetation the early australopithecines in more wooded and
the robusts in more open milieus is compatible with all
other information we have on australopithecines: postcranial
skeleton, masticatory and dentitional data, enamel
microwear, strontium/calcium ratios, and isotopic evidence.
Fossilized footprints and skeletal remains suggest that
australopithecines were bipedal, though their short-legged
style of bipedalism was different from that seen in
humans22, and apparently included a somewhat forward-leaning
trunk posture23. The StW 573 foot Œhad both bipedal and
climbing adaptations. This skeleton¹s foot morphology is
consistent with the bipedal Laetoli footprints, which are
not those of fully human feet, but which have very clear
ape-like morphology¹ xxx. Other tree-climbing features in
early australopithecines include the apelike upward directed
shoulder joints (glenoid fossae) and curved finger and toe
phalanges, whereas such features are less obvious in the
later robusts.
Dental studies suggest that whereas gracile australopithecines
preferred softer fruits and vegetables, the robusts¹ diet
included harder food items24-28,pp. Estimates of robust
australopithecine bite force suggest Œlow-energy food that had
to be processed in great quantities¹ and food objects Œhard
and round in shape¹29. DuBrul noticed striking dental
parallelisms between the robust australopithecines and the
bamboo-eating giant panda (broad, high and heavy cheekbones,
reduced prognathism and front teeth, very broad molar teeth,
premolar molarization), particularly when compared to gracile
australopithecines and non-panda bears respectively25.
Students of fossil hominid teeth agree that broad molars with
thick enamel and rounded cusps, while unsuitable for the
regular processing of tough foods like leaves or meat, are
suitable for the processing of hard food items. Papyrus and
reed were abundant in the paleo-environment of the later
australopithecines (e.g. Olduvai, Chesowanja, Kromdraai), and
Cyperaceae and Gramineae are part of the diet of living
African hominoidspp. Gorillas eat sedges and bamboo shoots and
stalks, all African hominids eat cane, chimpanzees and humans
eat water lilies, and rice and other cereals are staple food
for humans. Supplementing their diet with harder parts of
plants possibly helped the robusts to bridge the dry season,
when fruits and soft vegetables were scarcer.
Studies of dental enamel microwear provide further details. In
the early A. afarensis (Garusi-Laetoli and Hadar), the
cheekteeth enamel has a typical glossy polished surface and
the microwear has resemblances to that of capybaras and
mountain beavers30. These animals are semi-aquatic rodents
that feed mainly on succulent marsh and riverside herbs, as
well as grasses and the bark of young trees. It has recently
become clear that Western lowland gorillas spend some time
eating what researchers call AHV (aquatic herbaceous
vegetation) such as Hydrocharitaceae herbs and Cyperaceae
sedges3. Comparisons of molar enamel in South African fossils
show that A. robustus ate substantially more hard food items
than the earlier A. africanus31. Incisal microwear suggest
that A. robustus may have ingested foods that required less
extensive incisal preparation than the foods consumed by A.
africanus32, and incisal reduction in A. robustus also
suggests a less frugivorous diet, since Œincisors need not be
employed in the manipulation of hard objects¹33. The enamel of
the East African robusts (A. boisei of Olduvai and Peninj)
displays more pits, wide parallel striations and deep recessed
dentine27,pp. This microwear pattern has some resemblances
with that of beavers, which feed on riverine and riverside
herbs, the roots of water lilies, bark and woody plants. It
thus seems probable that an early australopithecine diet of
fruits (larger front teeth) and aquatic herbs (polishing) was
supplemented with woody plants in the robusts (more wear). The
suggestion of Walker, that
A. boisei KNM-ER 406 and 729 were bulk-eaters of Œsmall, hard
fruits with casings, pulp, seeds and all¹26, could explain
the deep recessed occlusal dentine, but not the glossy
appearance of the heavily polished enamel, which is more
typical of marsh plant feeders27,30. In terrestrial
grazers, tooth wear is very different34. In sheep, for
instance, the occlusal wear facets are not rounded. These
microwear data are consistent with the strontium/calcium
ratios35, as well as with the isotopic data of South
African australopithecines34. Apart from partial carnivory,
Sillen provides two possible explanations for the low Sr/Ca
ratios of A. robustus: eating leaves and shoots of forbs
and woody plants, and eating food derived from a wet
microhabitat, for instance, from well-drained streamside
soils35. Sillen as well as Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp,
following Œhunting hypotheses¹, prefer the regular
consumption of animal food as an explanation for the Sr/Ca
ratios and the isotopic data in A. robustus35,34, rather
than considering in our opinion the more logical
explanation that they might have eaten invertebrates as
well as cyperaceous sedges and other marshland plants.
Sponheimer and Lee-Thorp say that A. africanus Œate not
only fruits and leaves but also large quantities of
carbon-13-enriched foods such as grasses and sedges or
animals that ate these plants, or both¹34. Since
terrestrial grasses are incompatible with the polished,
rounded microwear30,34, and predominant meat-eating is
unlikely in view of the blunt, huge and broad
cheekteeth25,26,36, their diet more probably included
marshland plants such as Cyperaceae, as is indicated by
several very different studies27,30,34,35,pp. Several
independent lines of evidence paleo-milieu, postcranial
skeleton, dental morphology, enamel microwear, Sr/Ca
ratios, isotopic data suggest that some or all
australopithecines regularly waded bipedally in search of
plants growing in and near shallow waters. They might have
waded in much the same way as living hominid species such
as bonobos and Western gorillas do today (Figure 4), only
much more frequently2,3. This does not exclude the
possibility, however, that early hominids, including some
australopithecine species, might have processed and
consumed animal food when available37,38.
Marc Verha
Thu, Jul-12-07, 16:16
Op 12-07-2007 17:19, in artikel
1184253549.075051.317860@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:
> On Jul 12, 4:25 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
>> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
>> <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>>
>>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>>>> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
>>>>> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
>>>>> region seen today.
>>>> What, no oyster shells?
>>
>> No, no oyster shells near apiths: apiths were vertical
>> waders-climbers in swamp forests, feeding (at least
>> seasonally) on low-quality foods such as sedges etc., as
>> you should know. Shellfish only (& always AFAIK) near
>> Homo AFAIK.
>
> Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part of
> early Homo diet.
My little boy, they lived next to shellfish. But of course
kudu runners like you prefer raw meat about shellfihs...
_____
>> Please inform. Some examples:
>>
>> 1) apiths:
>> - Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic
>> reptiles, kudus and monkeys are prevalent. ŒA wide
>> gallery forest would have almost certainly been present
>> on the large river that brought in the sediments¹ (Leakey
>> cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit of
>> kudus in gallery forests...
>> - Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: ŒThe non-hominid fauna
>> contains aquatic taxa (such as Siluridae, Trionyx,
>> cf.Tomistoma), taxa adapted to wooded habitats (such as
>> Loxodonta, Kobus, Kolpochoerus) and to more open areas
>> (such as Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ... compatible with a
>> lakeside environment¹ (Brunet cs.1995).
>> - Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: ŒThe bones were found in
>> swale-like features [Š] it is very likely that they died
>> and partially rotted at or very near this site [Š] this
>> group of hominids was buried in streamside gallery
>> woodland¹ (Radosevich cs.1992).
>> - Lucy: small, slow moving stream. ŒFossil preservation at
>> this locality is excellent, remains of delicate items
>> such as crocodile and turtle eggs and crab claws being
>> found¹ (Johanson & Taieb 1976).
>> - Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions from
>> those prevailing today. Higher rainfall, fertile,
>> alkaline soils and moderate relief supported significant
>> patches of sub-tropical forest and thick bush, rather
>> than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the hominins¹
>> preferred habitat rather than grassland or bushveld, and
>> the adaptations of these animals was therefore fitted to
>> a forest habitat' (Rayner cs.1993).
>> - Taung: Œthe clayey matrix from which the Taung cranium
>> was extracted, and the frequent occurrence of calcite
>> veins and void fillings within it do suggest a more humid
>> environment during its accumulation¹ (Partridge 1985).
>> - Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
>> starlings, swallows, & parrots, lovebirds & similar
>> psittacine birds (T.N.Pocock in Brain 1981).
>> - Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was
>> discovered near the boundary between overbank deposits of
>> large perennial river and alluvial fan deposits, amid
>> water- and reedbucks (Walker cs.1986).
>> - Lake Turkana: ŒThe lake margins were generally swampy,
>> with extensive areas of mudflats [Š] Australopithecus
>> boisei was more abundant in fluvial environments, whereas
>> Homo habilis was rare in such environments [Š]
>> Australopithecus fossils are more common than Homo both
>> in channel and floodplain deposits. The gracile hominids
>> [Š] seem to be more restricted ecologically to the lake
>> margin than are the robust forms¹ (Conroy, 1990).
>> - Ileret Au.boisei: Œthe fossil sample reflects climatic
>> and ecological environmental conditions differing
>> significantly from those of the present day. At Ileret,
>> 1.5 Myr ago, climatic conditions must have been cooler
>> and more humid than today, and more favourable to
>> extensive forests [Š] The prominence of montane forest is
>> particularly striking [Š] dominated by Gramineae and
>> Chenopodiaceae appropriate to the margins of a slightly
>> saline or alkaline lake¹ (Bonnefille 1976).
>> - Chesowanja Au.boisei: ŒThe fossiliferous sediments were
>> deposited in a lagoon [Š] Abundant root casts [Š] suggest
>> that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the presence
>> of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was warm
>> and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant of
>> relatively stagnant water, and such situation would also
>> be suitable for turtles and crocodiles¹ (Carney cs.1971).
>> - Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as habilis
>> O.H.7 and O.H.62 were found in the most densely
>> vegetated, wettest condition, with the highest lake
>> levels (Walter cs.1991), near ostracods, freshwater
>> snails, fish, and aquatic birds (Conroy 1990); Œ[Š] the
>> middle Bed-I faunas indicate a very rich closed woodland
>> environment, richer than any part of the present-day
>> savanna biome in Africa [Š]¹ (Fernández-Jalvo cs.1998).
>> ŒFossilized leaves and pollen are rare in the sediments
>> of Beds I and II, but swamp vegetation is indicated by
>> abundant vertical roots channels and casts possibly made
>> by some kind of reed. Fossil rhizomes of papyrus also
>> suggest the presence of marshland and/or shallow water¹
>> (Conroy 1990). Œ[Š] Cyperaceae fruits were common in H.
>> habilis habitat (Bonnefille 1984). Ancient Egyptians ate
>> Cyperus papyrus root which was also present at Olduvai in
>> swamp-margins and river banks' (Puech 1992).
>>
>> 2) Homo:
>> - Mojokerto H.erectus: ŒThe basal part of the Putjangan
>> Beds is composed of volcanic breccias containing marine
>> and freshwater molluscs. The rest of the Putjangan Beds
>> is composed of black clays of lacustrine origin¹
>> (Ninkovich & Burckle 1978).
Our little boy for some obscure reason snipped the other
examples...
Marc Verha
Fri, Jul-13-07, 05:16
Op 12-07-2007 22:11, in artikel
3zxli.20833$j7.378505@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
<slkwuoiutiuytciuyik@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
> "Marc Verhaegen" <m_verhaegen@skynet.be> wrote in message
> news:C2BC4FCE.46E4%m_verhaegen@skynet.be...
>>>> (This man is confusing apiths & Homo??)
>>> Apiths and homo should be 'confused' in this respect. They
>>> occupied the same niche, and ate the same food: i.e. much
>>> the same as us, and not too different from that of chimps:
>>> fruit, nuts, berries, some meat, and (though not for
>>> chimps) roots dug from the ground.
>> Not so: apiths ate calorie & nutrient poor plant foods (at
>> least in the poor season), whereas Homo ate rich waterside
>> brain-secific foods (DHEA etc.).
> It is an ancient PA tradition to invent niches, claim that
> they were occupied for a time, and then discarded -- the
> species deciding that it was about time it went extinct --
> for no better reason than that would suit some future PA
> theorist.
I have no idea what you mean, but apiths & Homo ere clearly
different:
- Apiths: 400-500 cc, short legs, no ext.nose, curved
phalanges, frugi-herbivory, limited tool use
- Homo: 700-1400 cc, very long legs, ext.nose, straight
phalanges, omnivory, extensive tool use
--Marc Verhaegen
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAT
Lee Olsen
Fri, Jul-13-07, 16:17
On Jul 12, 12:56 pm, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 12-07-2007 17:19, in artikel
> 1184253549.075051.317...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> schreef:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 4:25 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
> > wrote:
> >> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
> >> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, =
Paul
> >> Crowley <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>
> >>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
> >>> message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
> >>>> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener
> >>>>> and more wooded countryside than the bare stony Af=
ar
> >>>>> desert region seen today.
> >>>> What, no oyster shells?
>
> >> No, no oyster shells near apiths: apiths were vertical
> >> waders-climbers=
in
> >> swamp forests, feeding (at least seasonally) on
> >> low-quality foods such=
as
> >> sedges etc., as you should know. Shellfish only (& always
> >> AFAIK) near Homo AFAIK.
>
> > Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part
> > of early Homo diet.
>
> My little boy, they lived next to shellfish.
Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part of
early Homo diet.
> But of course kudu runners like you prefer raw meat about
> shellfihs...
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Please inform. Some examples:
>
> >> 1) apiths:
> >> - Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic
> >> reptiles, kudus and monkeys are prevalent. =8CA wide
> >> gallery forest would have almost cert=
ainly
> >> been present on the large river that brought in the
> >> sediments=B9 (Leak=
ey
> >> cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit of
> >> kudus in ga=
llery
> >> forests...
> >> - Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: =8CThe non-hominid fauna
> >> contains aquat=
ic taxa
> >> (such as Siluridae, Trionyx, cf.Tomistoma), taxa adapted
> >> to wooded hab=
itats
> >> (such as Loxodonta, Kobus, Kolpochoerus) and to more open
> >> areas (such =
as
> >> Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ... compatible with a lakeside
> >> environment=
=B9
> >> (Brunet cs.1995).
> >> - Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: =8CThe bones were found in
> >> swale-like fea=
tures
> >> [=8A] it is very likely that they died and partially
> >> rotted at or very=
near
> >> this site [=8A] this group of hominids was buried in
> >> streamside gallery woodland=B9 (Radosevich cs.1992).
> >> - Lucy: small, slow moving stream. =8CFossil preservation
> >> at this loca=
lity is
> >> excellent, remains of delicate items such as crocodile
> >> and turtle eggs=
and
> >> crab claws being found=B9 (Johanson & Taieb 1976).
> >> - Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions
> >> from those prev=
ailing
> >> today. Higher rainfall, fertile, alkaline soils and
> >> moderate relief supported significant patches of
> >> sub-tropical forest and thick bush, r=
ather
> >> than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the hominins=B9
> >> preferred h=
abitat
> >> rather than grassland or bushveld, and the adaptations of
> >> these animal=
s was
> >> therefore fitted to a forest habitat' (Rayner cs.1993).
> >> - Taung: =8Cthe clayey matrix from which the Taung
> >> cranium was extract=
ed, and
> >> the frequent occurrence of calcite veins and void
> >> fillings within it do suggest a more humid environment
> >> during its accumulation=B9 (Partridge=
1985).
> >> - Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
> >> starlings, swal=
lows,
> >> & parrots, lovebirds & similar psittacine birds
> >> (T.N.Pocock in Brain 1=
1986).
> >> - Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was
> >> discovered near the boundary between overbank deposits
> >> of large perennial river and alluvi=
al fan
> >> deposits, amid water- and reedbucks (Walker cs.1986).
> >> - Lake Turkana: =8CThe lake margins were generally
> >> swampy, with extens=
ive
> >> areas of mudflats [=8A] Australopithecus boisei was more
> >> abundant in f=
luvial
> >> environments, whereas Homo habilis was rare in such
> >> environments [=8A] Australopithecus fossils are more
> >> common than Homo both in channel and floodplain deposits.
> >> The gracile hominids [=8A] seem to be more restri=
cted
> >> ecologically to the lake margin than are the robust
> >> forms=B9 (Conroy, =
1987).
> >> - Ileret Au.boisei: =8Cthe fossil sample reflects
> >> climatic and ecologi=
cal
> >> environmental conditions differing significantly from
> >> those of the pre=
sent
> >> day. At Ileret, 1.5 Myr ago, climatic conditions must
> >> have been cooler=
and
> >> more humid than today, and more favourable to extensive
> >> forests [=8A] =
The
> >> prominence of montane forest is particularly striking
> >> [=8A] dominated =
by
> >> Gramineae and Chenopodiaceae appropriate to the margins
> >> of a slightly =
saline
> >> or alkaline lake=B9 (Bonnefille 1976).
> >> - Chesowanja Au.boisei: =8CThe fossiliferous sediments
> >> were deposited =
in a
> >> lagoon [=8A] Abundant root casts [=8A] suggest that the
> >> embayment was =
flanked by
> >> reeds and the presence of calcareous algae indicates that
> >> the lagoon w=
as
> >> warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals
> >> tolerant of relativ=
ely
> >> stagnant water, and such situation would also be suitable
> >> for turtles =
and
> >> crocodiles=B9 (Carney cs.1971).
> >> - Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as
> >> habilis O.H.7 and O=
.H.62
> >> were found in the most densely vegetated, wettest
> >> condition, with the highest lake levels (Walter cs.1991),
> >> near ostracods, freshwater snail=
s,
> >> fish, and aquatic birds (Conroy 1990); =8C[=8A] the
> >> middle Bed-I fauna=
s indicate
> >> a very rich closed woodland environment, richer than any
> >> part of the present-day savanna biome in Africa [=8A]=B9
> >> (Fern=E1ndez-Jalvo cs.199=
1988).
> >> =8CFossilized leaves and pollen are rare in the sediments
> >> =of Beds I an=
d II,
> >> but swamp vegetation is indicated by abundant vertical
> >> roots channels =
and
> >> casts possibly made by some kind of reed. Fossil rhizomes
> >> of papyrus a=
lso
> >> suggest the presence of marshland and/or shallow water=B9
> >> (Conroy 1990=
)=2E =8C[=8A]
> >> Cyperaceae fruits were common in H. habilis habitat
> >> (Bonnefille 1984). Ancient Egyptians ate Cyperus papyrus
> >> root which was also present at O=
lduvai
> >> in swamp-margins and river banks' (Puech 1992).
>
> >> 2) Homo:
> >> - Mojokerto H.erectus: =8CThe basal part of the Putjangan
> >> Beds is comp=
osed of
> >> volcanic breccias containing marine and freshwater
> >> molluscs. The rest =
of the
> >> Putjangan Beds is composed of black clays of lacustrine
> >> origin=B9 (Nin=
kovich &
> >> Burckle 1978).
>
> Our little boy for some obscure reason snipped the other
> examples...- Hid=
e quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Marc Verha
Fri, Jul-13-07, 16:17
Op 13-07-2007 20:20, in artikel
1184350802.231161.275470@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:
> On Jul 12, 12:56 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 12-07-2007 17:19, in artikel
>> 1184253549.075051.317...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
>> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
>> schreef:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 4:25 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Op 12-07-2007 12:27, in artikel
>>>> Aonli.20826$j7.378...@news.indigo.ie, Paul Crowley
>>>> <slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> schreef:
>>
>>>>> "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
>>>>> message news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>>>>>> claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>>>> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
>>>>>>> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
>>>>>>> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener
>>>>>>> and more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar
>>>>>>> desert region seen today.
>>>>>> What, no oyster shells?
>>
>>>> No, no oyster shells near apiths: apiths were vertical
>>>> waders-climbers in swamp forests, feeding (at least
>>>> seasonally) on low-quality foods such as sedges etc., as
>>>> you should know. Shellfish only (& always AFAIK) near
>>>> Homo AFAIK.
>>
>>> Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part
>>> of early Homo diet.
>>
>> My little boy, they lived next to shellfish.
>
> Correction: There is no evidence of shellfish being part of
> early Homo diet.
And what does our little boy prefer: shellfish or raw meat?
Keep running after your kudu, my boy.
_____
>
>
>
>> But of course kudu runners like you prefer raw meat about
>> shellfihs...
>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Please inform. Some examples:
>>
>>>> 1) apiths:
>>>> - Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic
>>>> reptiles, kudus and monkeys are prevalent. ŒA wide
>>>> gallery forest would have almost certainly been present
>>>> on the large river that brought in the sediments¹
>>>> (Leakey
>>>> cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit of
>>>> kudus in gallery forests...
>>>> - Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: ŒThe non-hominid fauna
>>>> contains aquatic taxa (such as Siluridae, Trionyx,
>>>> cf.Tomistoma), taxa adapted to wooded habitats (such
>>>> as Loxodonta, Kobus, Kolpochoerus) and to more open
>>>> areas (such as Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ...
>>>> compatible with a lakeside environment¹ (Brunet
>>>> cs.1995).
>>>> - Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: ŒThe bones were found in
>>>> swale-like features [Š] it is very likely that they
>>>> died and partially rotted at or very near this site [Š]
>>>> this group of hominids was buried in streamside gallery
>>>> woodland¹ (Radosevich cs.1992).
>>>> - Lucy: small, slow moving stream. ŒFossil preservation
>>>> at this locality is excellent, remains of delicate
>>>> items such as crocodile and turtle eggs and crab claws
>>>> being found¹ (Johanson & Taieb 1976).
>>>> - Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions
>>>> from those prevailing today. Higher rainfall, fertile,
>>>> alkaline soils and moderate relief supported
>>>> significant patches of sub-tropical forest and thick
>>>> bush, rather than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was
>>>> the hominins¹ preferred habitat rather than grassland
>>>> or bushveld, and the adaptations of these animals was
>>>> therefore fitted to a forest habitat' (Rayner cs.1993).
>>>> - Taung: Œthe clayey matrix from which the Taung cranium
>>>> was extracted, and the frequent occurrence of calcite
>>>> veins and void fillings within it do suggest a more
>>>> humid environment during its accumulation¹ (Partridge
>>>> 1985).
>>>> - Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
>>>> starlings, swallows, & parrots, lovebirds & similar
>>>> psittacine birds (T.N.Pocock in Brain 1981).
>>>> - Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was
>>>> discovered near the boundary between overbank deposits
>>>> of large perennial river and alluvial fan deposits,
>>>> amid water- and reedbucks (Walker cs.1986).
>>>> - Lake Turkana: ŒThe lake margins were generally swampy,
>>>> with extensive areas of mudflats [Š] Australopithecus
>>>> boisei was more abundant in fluvial environments,
>>>> whereas Homo habilis was rare in such environments [Š]
>>>> Australopithecus fossils are more common than Homo both
>>>> in channel and floodplain deposits. The gracile
>>>> hominids [Š] seem to be more restricted ecologically to
>>>> the lake margin than are the robust forms¹ (Conroy,
>>>> 1990).
>>>> - Ileret Au.boisei: Œthe fossil sample reflects climatic
>>>> and ecological environmental conditions differing
>>>> significantly from those of the present day. At Ileret,
>>>> 1.5 Myr ago, climatic conditions must have been cooler
>>>> and more humid than today, and more favourable to
>>>> extensive forests [Š] The prominence of montane forest
>>>> is particularly striking [Š] dominated by Gramineae and
>>>> Chenopodiaceae appropriate to the margins of a slightly
>>>> saline or alkaline lake¹ (Bonnefille 1976).
>>>> - Chesowanja Au.boisei: ŒThe fossiliferous sediments were
>>>> deposited in a lagoon [Š] Abundant root casts [Š]
>>>> suggest that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the
>>>> presence of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon
>>>> was warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals
>>>> tolerant of relatively stagnant water, and such
>>>> situation would also be suitable for turtles and
>>>> crocodiles¹ (Carney cs.1971).
>>>> - Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as
>>>> habilis O.H.7 and O.H.62
>
>>>> were found in the most densely vegetated, wettest
>>>> condition, with the highest lake levels (Walter cs.1991),
>>>> near ostracods, freshwater snails, fish, and aquatic
>>>> birds (Conroy 1990); Œ[Š] the middle Bed-I faunas
>>>> indicate a very rich closed woodland environment, richer
>>>> than any part of the present-day savanna biome in Africa
>>>> [Š]¹ (Fernández-Jalvo cs.1998). ŒFossilized leaves and
>>>> pollen are rare in the sediments of Beds I and II, but
>>>> swamp vegetation is indicated by abundant vertical roots
>>>> channels and casts possibly made by some kind of reed.
>>>> Fossil rhizomes of papyrus also suggest the presence of
>>>> marshland and/or shallow water¹ (Conroy 1990). Œ[Š]
>>>> Cyperaceae fruits were common in H. habilis habitat
>>>> (Bonnefille 1984). Ancient Egyptians ate Cyperus papyrus
>>>> root which was also present at Olduvai in swamp-margins
>>>> and river banks' (Puech 1992).
>>
>>>> 2) Homo:
>>>> - Mojokerto H.erectus: ŒThe basal part of the Putjangan
>>>> Beds is composed of volcanic breccias containing marine
>>>> and freshwater molluscs. The rest of the Putjangan Beds
>>>> is composed of black clays of lacustrine origin¹
>>>> (Ninkovich & Burckle 1978).
>>
>> Our little boy for some obscure reason snipped the other
>> examples...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
Lee Olsen
Sat, Jul-14-07, 05:15
Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> And what does our little boy prefer: shellfish or raw meat?
Doughboy, can you really tell the difference between raw
fish and raw meat? I can't. What is your point, or don't
you have one?
http://www.newscientist.com/backpage.ns?id=3Dlw313 "The fact
is that the Inuit are the bugbear of nutritionists and food
faddists everywhere. However, raw animals contain every
vitamin and mineral required for a healthy diet......"
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-3h.shtml
"Report of the Inuit diet on first contact. In regard to the
diet of the unacculturated Dolphin and Union Straits Inuit,
Stefansson [1913, pp. 174-178] reports: My host was the
seal-hunter whom we had first approached on the ice (=2E..).
[His wife] boiled some seal-meat for me, but she had not
boiled any fat, for she did not know whether I preferred the
blubber boiled or raw. They always cut it in small pieces and
ate it raw themselves; but the pot still hung over the lamp,
and anything she put into it would be cooked in a moment. When
I told her that my tastes quite coincided with hers--as, in
fact, they did--she was delighted. People were much alike,
then, after all, though they came from a great distance. She
would, accordingly, treat me exactly as if I were one of their
own people come to visit them from afar... "
>
> Keep running after your kudu, my boy.
Better than swimming after a shark, doughboy :-)
>
> _____
> >
> >
> >
> >> But of course kudu runners like you prefer raw meat
> >> about shellfihs...
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> Please inform. Some examples:
> >>
> >>>> 1) apiths:
> >>>> - Kanapoi KNM-KP 29281 Au.anamensis: Fish, aquatic
> >>>> reptiles, kudus a=
nd
> >>>> monkeys are prevalent. =C5=92A wide gallery forest
> >>>> would have almost=
certainly
> >>>> been present on the large river that brought in the
> >>>> sediments=C2=B9 =
(Leakey
> >>>> cs.1995). Note the kudus! Short-legged dogged pursuit
> >>>> of kudus in =
gallery
> >>>> forests...
> >>>> - Chad KT 12 Au.cf.afarensis: =C5=92The non-hominid
> >>>> fauna contains =
aquatic taxa
> >>>> (such as Siluridae, Trionyx, cf.Tomistoma), taxa
> >>>> adapted to wooded h=
abitats
> >>>> (such as Loxodonta, Kobus, Kolpochoerus) and to more
> >>>> open areas (suc=
h as
> >>>> Ceratotherium, Hipparion) ... compatible with a
> >>>> lakeside environment=
=C2=B9
> >>>> (Brunet cs.1995).
> >>>> - Hadar AL.333 Au.afarensis: =C5=92The bones were found
> >>>> in swale-lik=
e features
> >>>> [=C5=A0] it is very likely that they died and partially
> >>>> rotted at or=
very near
> >>>> this site [=C5=A0] this group of hominids was buried in
> >>>> streamside g=
allery
> >>>> woodland=C2=B9 (Radosevich cs.1992).
> >>>> - Lucy: small, slow moving stream. =C5=92Fossil
> >>>> preservation at this=
locality is
> >>>> excellent, remains of delicate items such as crocodile
> >>>> and turtle eg=
gs and
> >>>> crab claws being found=C2=B9 (Johanson & Taieb 1976).
> >>>> - Makapan Au.africanus: '... very different conditions
> >>>> from those prevailing today. Higher rainfall,
> >>>> fertile, alkaline soils and moderate relief supported
> >>>> significant patches of sub-tropical forest and thick
> >>>> bush,=
rather
> >>>> than savannah ... sub-tropical forest was the
> >>>> hominins=C2=B9 prefer=
red habitat
> >>>> rather than grassland or bushveld, and the adaptations
> >>>> of these anim=
als was
> >>>> therefore fitted to a forest habitat' (Rayner cs.1993).
> >>>> - Taung: =C5=92the clayey matrix from which the Taung
> >>>> cranium was ex=
tracted, and
> >>>> the frequent occurrence of calcite veins and void
> >>>> fillings within it=
do
> >>>> suggest a more humid environment during its
> >>>> accumulation=C2=B9 (Part=
ridge 1985).
> >>>> - Kromdraai: Au.robustus was found near quail, pipits,
> >>>> starlings, sw=
allows,
> >>>> & parrots, lovebirds & similar psittacine birds
> >>>> (T.N.Pocock in Brain=
1981).
> >>>> - Turkana KNM-ER 17000 & 16005: Au.aethiopicus was
> >>>> discovered near t=
he
> >>>> boundary between overbank deposits of large perennial
> >>>> river and allu=
vial
> >>>> fan deposits, amid water- and reedbucks (Walker
> >>>> cs.1986).
> >>>> - Lake Turkana: =C5=92The lake margins were generally
> >>>> swampy, with e=
xtensive
> >>>> areas of mudflats [=C5=A0] Australopithecus boisei was
> >>>> more abundant=
in fluvial
> >>>> environments, whereas Homo habilis was rare in such
> >>>> environments [=
=C5=A0]
> >>>> Australopithecus fossils are more common than Homo both
> >>>> in channel a=
nd
> >>>> floodplain deposits. The gracile hominids [=C5=A0] seem
> >>>> to be more r=
estricted
> >>>> ecologically to the lake margin than are the robust
> >>>> forms=C2=B9 (Con=
roy, 1990).
> >>>> - Ileret Au.boisei: =C5=92the fossil sample reflects
> >>>> climatic and ec=
ological
> >>>> environmental conditions differing significantly from
> >>>> those of the p=
resent
> >>>> day. At Ileret, 1.5 Myr ago, climatic conditions must
> >>>> have been cool=
er and
> >>>> more humid than today, and more favourable to extensive
> >>>> forests [=C5=
=A0] The
> >>>> prominence of montane forest is particularly striking
> >>>> [=C5=A0] domin=
ated by
> >>>> Gramineae and Chenopodiaceae appropriate to the margins
> >>>> of a slightly saline or alkaline lake=C2=B9 (Bonnefille
> >>>> 1976).
> >>>> - Chesowanja Au.boisei: =C5=92The fossiliferous
> >>>> sediments were depos=
ited in a
> >>>> lagoon [=C5=A0] Abundant root casts [=C5=A0] suggest
> >>>> that the embaym=
ent was flanked
> >>>> by reeds and the presence of calcareous algae indicates
> >>>> that the lagoon=
was
> >>>> warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals
> >>>> tolerant of relat=
ively
> >>>> stagnant water, and such situation would also be
> >>>> suitable for turtle=
s and
> >>>> crocodiles=C2=B9 (Carney cs.1971).
> >>>> - Olduvai middle Bed I: Au.boisei O.H.5 as well as
> >>>> habilis O.H.7 and=
O.H.62
> >
> >>>> were found in the most densely vegetated, wettest
> >>>> condition, with the highest lake levels (Walter
> >>>> cs.1991), near ostracods, freshwater sna=
ils,
> >>>> fish, and aquatic birds (Conroy 1990); =C5=92[=C5=A0]
> >>>> the middle Bed=
-I faunas
> >>>> indicate a very rich closed woodland environment,
> >>>> richer than any part of the present-day savanna biome
> >>>> in Africa [=C5=A0]=C2=B9 (Fern=C3=A1ndez-J=
alvo cs.1998).
> >>>> =C5=92Fossilized leaves and pollen are rare in the
> >>>> sediments of Beds=
I and II,
> >>>> but swamp vegetation is indicated by abundant vertical
> >>>> roots channel=
s and
> >>>> casts possibly made by some kind of reed. Fossil
> >>>> rhizomes of papyrus=
also
> >>>> suggest the presence of marshland and/or shallow
> >>>> water=C2=B9 (Conroy=
1990). =C5=92[=C5=A0]
> >>>> Cyperaceae fruits were common in H. habilis habitat
> >>>> (Bonnefille 1984=
)=2E
> >>>> Ancient Egyptians ate Cyperus papyrus root which was
> >>>> also present at Olduvai in swamp-margins and river
> >>>> banks' (Puech 1992).
> >>
> >>>> 2) Homo:
> >>>> - Mojokerto H.erectus: =C5=92The basal part of the
> >>>> Putjangan Beds is=
composed of
> >>>> volcanic breccias containing marine and freshwater
> >>>> molluscs. The res=
t of
> >>>> the Putjangan Beds is composed of black clays of
> >>>> lacustrine origin=C2=B9=
(Ninkovich
> >>>> & Burckle 1978).
> >>
> >> Our little boy for some obscure reason snipped the other
> >> examples...- =
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Marc Verha
Sat, Jul-14-07, 05:15
Op 14-07-2007 04:14, in artikel
1184379299.924685.163340@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:
>
> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
>> And what does our little boy prefer: shellfish or raw meat?
>
> Doughboy, can you really tell the difference between raw
> fish and raw meat? I can't.
I thought so...
Lee Olsen
Sat, Jul-14-07, 16:15
On Jul 14, 1:10 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 14-07-2007 04:14, in artikel
> 1184379299.924685.163...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, Lee
> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> schreef:
>
>
>
> > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> >> And what does our little boy prefer: shellfish or raw
> >> meat?
>
> > Doughboy, can you really tell the difference between raw
> > fish and raw meat? I can't.
>
> I thought so...
Which proves I'm not early Homo. How about you?
claudiusde
Sat, Jul-14-07, 16:15
On Jul 12, 3:27 am, "Paul Crowley"
<slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
> "Rich Travsky" <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com...
>
> > claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> >> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> >> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> >> region seen today.
>
> > What, no oyster shells?
>
> The interesting feature about all these sites is their
> closeness to the (fossil) Sea of Afar.
>
Good point, Paul.
This is consistent with my hypothesis which predicts that
early hominids would tend to take up relatively permanent
settlements at locations in the proximity of water. This is
part of their larger strategy to survive the dry season of the
monsoon climate that first emerged in the same geologic era
that early hominid fossils are found.
Other aspects of this same hypothesis explain the selective
origins of traits that other hypotheses pretend to ignore,
like communalism, culture, communicativeness, cooperative
aggressiveness.
Rich Travs
Thu, Jul-26-07, 05:22
Marc Verhaegen wrote:
>
> Op 12-07-2007 07:59, in artikel
> 4695C356.B76C3346@hotmMOVEail.com, Rich Travsky
> <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> schreef:
>
> > claudiusdenk@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Dr Haile-Selassie said the new dig sites yielded the
> >> bones of many monkeys, antelopes and wild pigs,
> >> suggesting that the hominids lived in a far greener and
> >> more wooded countryside than the bare stony Afar desert
> >> region seen today.
>
> > What, no oyster shells?
>
> You do you think that??
>
> No, no, my boy: green & wooded, nicely confirming our
> scenario in our TREE paper (google "aquarboreal"):
Monkeys, antelopes, wild pigs are hardly all aquatic.
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