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kyrasdad
Thu, Jul-05-07, 12:20
So, this campaign has been going on for a while, but I saw an ad this morning and was amazed at how brazen it was. When all the whole grain hoopla started, people here nailed it when they said it would be easy to advertise a sugary cereal or cookie (and what difference is there besides how you apply the milk?) as "whole grain" and give it a fig leaf of healthiness. Happened to see a whole grain ad this morning that was particularly stomach-turning and it prompted me to look at what they were claiming in the name of whole grain.

The implication is that a whole grain, incredibly unhealthy, sugary item is "healthy" when the truth is it ought to be termed "A tiny bit less unhealthy." Whole grain is better than simple flour products -- but it's not very much better, and the truth they can't tell you is that if dumping processed grains for whole grains is good, then dumping whole grains for none would be best.

http://www.wholegrainlife.com has a lot of the spin. For instance, this page (http://www.wholegrainlife.com/Benefits/HealthBenefits.aspx) says that:

With all the good things that whole grains contain, it’s easy to see why they make up an important part of a healthy diet. In fact, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans encourage the intake of whole grain foods because they are related to important health benefits.

Scientific evidence shows that the benefits of whole grain really add up. Including whole grain as part of a healthy diet may:

* Lead to a healthier heart. Heart-healthy diets rich in whole grain foods can reduce the risk of heart disease.
* Help reduce the risk of certain types of cancers. Regular consumption of whole grains as part of a low-fat diet reduces the risk for some cancers, especially cancers of the stomach and colon.
* Play a role in diabetes management. Making healthy choices, like including whole grain foods, is recommended as part of a diabetic diet by The American Diabetes Association.
* Help keep you regular and your digestive tract running smoothly. Fiber from whole grains promotes regularity and keeps the intestines working smoothly to help maintain good digestive health.
* Help fill you up, not out, especially as you age. A growing body of evidence supports that people who eat more whole grain tend to have healthier body weights and gain less weight over time than those who don’t. This can be important for long-term weight management.

The health benefits of whole grains can’t be pinpointed to one particular component of the grain — it’s the “whole grain package” that makes the difference.
This is genius because they are comparing whole grain relative to processed white flour, not to a diet absent most or all grain products. They can make claims that products are health food (when they clearly are not) using this method. It is only in comparing the whole grain Fruit Loop to the processed grain Fruit Loop that you can make any claim, as flimsy and bogus as it is. You can't make that claim when comparing it to a diet free of Fruit Loops.

The ad I saw this morning (over a lovely piece of breakfast sausage) is here (via YouTube). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRzxqm4te24&mode=related&search=) .

It's really marketing brilliance, as sick as it is. Amazing that heavy-hitting sugary cereals like Honey-Nut Cheerios, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, and Lucky Charms are able to be associated with "healthy" through the Whole Grain labeling. They can do the same with "Organic" and "Trans Fat" type labeling as well.

You don't have to claim that Fruit Loops in particular can help you lose weight. Not when you can claim that whole grains "a growing body of evidence supports that people who eat more whole grain tend to have healthier body weights and gain less weight over time than those who don’t. This can be important for long-term weight management."

Oh, and by the way, these Fruit Loops are Whole Grain. Forget the insulin-spiking sugar and high calorie counts. They may as well be candy, but they are whole grain candy.

The whole thing is deplorable.

jschwab
Thu, Jul-05-07, 12:36
The only grain I eat is cornmeal in scrapple. I sdon't think I would eat pig's feet otherwise :)

renegadiab
Fri, Jul-06-07, 06:59
That whole thing about whole grains helping diabetes is a load of crap. So is the part about keeping you satisfied. I used to eat plenty of whole grains and I suffered from insatiable cravings. This prompted me to pig out on more whole grain stuff, thinking this was healthier than "junk food." I just got fatter & fatter and ended up DIABETIC. So much for all the miracle claims about whole grains.

Whole grains still jack up my blood sugar, maybe not as much as processed grains, but enough that I avoid them. The ADA's diet is killing diabetics. The only studies they have done compare whole grain to processed grain. How about comparing grain consumption to no grain consumption?

Dodger
Fri, Jul-06-07, 08:11
Whole grain wheat flour is to white flour as dark sugar is to white sugar. A little less processed, but not healthy because of the less processing.

The few real studies that I have seen that involved proving that whole grains were healthy used white flour as the control. The conclusions usually stated that whole grains should be eaten because the subjects gained less weight than the controls did. I have never seen a study that compared whole grains against no grains.

HappyLC
Fri, Jul-06-07, 08:14
Whole grain wheat flour is to white flour as dark sugar is to white sugar. A little less processed, but not healthy because of the less processing.

I never heard it put that way before, but I like it! I'll have to remember that next time someone tells me I shouldn't be so extreme, and should at least eat "healthy whole grains."

HappyLC
Fri, Jul-06-07, 08:22
So, this campaign has been going on for a while, but I saw an ad this morning and was amazed at how brazen it was. When all the whole grain hoopla started, people here nailed it when they said it would be easy to advertise a sugary cereal or cookie (and what difference is there besides how you apply the milk?) as "whole grain" and give it a fig leaf of healthiness. Happened to see a whole grain ad this morning that was particularly stomach-turning and it prompted me to look at what they were claiming in the name of whole grain.

I saw one the other day for Frosted Mini-Wheats, with a talking mini-wheat reminding a little girl to pack the cereal in her backpack for school, because it would help her focus all day long. FOCUS! After eating sugared wheat cereal. Incredible.

renegadiab
Fri, Jul-06-07, 09:01
I just remembered, there is a study comparing grains to no grains. It compared the paleo diet to the so-called "mediterranean" diet and the paleo diet resulted in better blood sugar control. Of course, one could argue that we don't know for sure if it was the grains or the dairy, or both, but still makes a good case to avoid grains. They need more study to compare grains vs. no grains in the general population. They say that eating whole grains prevents diabetes, but that just looks at the risk of processed grains vs. whole grains. I'll be that eating no grains results in an even lower risk of diabetes. The study was featured in this forum.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=340141

tom sawyer
Fri, Jul-06-07, 10:48
Its going to take a couple of generations before we get past this bad nutrition advice. The research will come in the next ten years, then it will take another twenty for it to be widely accepted. And thats only if the corporations let it happen at all.

Until then, our grassroots movement will just have to spread the word one person at a time. Very frustrating to see so many people eating so poorly.

ceberezin
Fri, Jul-06-07, 11:22
The analogy I like compares eating whole grains to smoking filtered cigarettes. Does anyone remember the ad campaign, while cigarette ads on TV were still legal, that claimed that filtered cigarettes were healthier than unfiltered cigarettes "for those who smoked?" The white sugar-brown sugar analogy is good, except it will be unconvincing to "those who still (blithely) eat sugar."

Nancy LC
Fri, Jul-06-07, 22:36
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/where-should-fiber-come-from.html
Ray had the usual protuberant belly overhanging his beltline of someone who was over-reliant on processed starches, particularly wheat.

After all, he ran a sandwich bakery. He sheepishly admitted that he ate the products of his own production line every day while at work, even bringing a few sandwiches home.

At 5 ft 10 inches, 201 lbs, he wasn't terribly overweight, but all the excess was in his beltline. He had the lipoproteins to match: HDL 38 mg/dl, triglycerides 180 mg/dl, 83% of all LDL particles were small, excess VLDL and IDL. Blood pressure: 140/88. Blood sugar: 112 mg/dl.

With a CT heart scan score of 698, Ray had some work to do.

Among the strategies we discussed was a need to dramatically reduce, perhaps eliminate, wheat products and other high-glycemic index foods.

"You've got to be kidding me!" Besides the inconsistency with his business, he was puzzled on what foods were edible for his pattern. We discussed how he could easily replace his reliance on wheat and breads with more vegetables, more fruits, more lean proteins, and more healthy oils.

"But I won't get any fiber!" he declared. That was why he tried to choose whole wheat bread for his sandwiches.

This is a common concern when we discuss how grains, particuarly wheat, need to be sharply reduced. In the most recent edition of his Paleo Diet Newsletter, Dr. Loren Cordain has laid out a wonderful graph that beautifully illustrates the issue:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_anQ81dzOVXk/Ro7YcbidpgI/AAAAAAAAAHs/W1iswLRh6ns/s400/Paleo+diet-fiber+content+foods.bmp


(From The Paleo Diet Newsletter at http://www.thepaleodiet.com/newsletter/back_issues.shtml)


In other words, reducing or eliminating "fiber-rich" grains and replacing their calories dramatically increases fiber content of your diet.

For Ray, whose livelihood depends on promoting and perpetuating the use of wheat breads, it will be tough to keep him on the right track. My prediction: the results he will see will be substantial and it will become difficult to return to eating his own products.

There's no doubt that this concept can be economically disruptive for many people, including Ray. It's a tough situation we've created: a huge industrial complex based on growing grains and wheat, processing it into breakfast cereals, bagels, pretzels, crackers, and sandwiches. But it has also contributed to the epidemic of obesity and the patterns that people like Ray have.

Demokat
Sat, Jul-07-07, 07:41
When ranches use wheat, grains, and corn to fatten livestock, why do the nutrition powers that be think the results will be any different for other mammals?

JL53563
Sat, Jul-07-07, 07:49
"You've got to be kidding me!" Besides the inconsistency with his business, he was puzzled on what foods were edible for his pattern. We discussed how he could easily replace his reliance on wheat and breads with more vegetables, more fruits, more lean proteins, and more healthy oils.

I prefer fattier proteins. ;)

Wifezilla
Sat, Jul-07-07, 20:21
I used to eat plenty of whole grains and I suffered from insatiable cravings.

Same here.

Good thing I quit eating them BEFORE I hit the diabetes piont..but that is sure where I was headed!