Information on the pre-historic monster crow

[Radium]

Hi:

The following is a description of the monster crow [an extinct
species of crows]:

The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is the
most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times
smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its wings
[including their feathers and the number of feathers] are
1,000 times bigger than that of the average adult crow.

Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster crow
is white colored. It is pure white.

In addition, the monster crow does not have a beak or claws.
It also does not make the 'caacaa' sound of most crows. In
fact, the monster crow does not vocalize at all.

The only sounds made by the monster crow are the sounds
generated by its wings as it flies through their [without
flapping its wings].

The shape of the monster crow is similar to that of
regular crows.

The monster crow also rarely - if ever - flaps its wings.
Whenever in flight, the monster crow keeps its wings
completely spread-out and pointed slightly -- yet noticeably
-- upward [rarely, if ever downward].

/ \ is downward

\ / is upward.

Think of the edges of the above slashes as the wings.

The wings are also pointed forward and not at all backward.
Most airplanes have their wings pointed backward.

\ /

The above two slashes represent backward-pointed wings.

The following two slashes represent forward-pointed wings:

/ \

This monster crow is terrifying because it will accidentally
tickle you with its spread-out wings if you are in its
environment. This monster crow does not mean to scare you but
it has little control over its flight.

With its wings spread out, it will slowly and softy brush
against your skin as it flies close to you. This crow does not
want to tickle you but since it has great difficult in
controlling its movement, you'll definitely be tickled if you
are close to it.

The tickling sensation is extremely terrifying and disgusting.

The psychological trauma is so intense that it affects the
genes of all mammals.

All mammals fear the monster crow even without being
exposed to it. This is because their remote ancestors
[millions of years ago] were touched by the tickly wings of
the monster crow.

Thankfully the monster crow is now extinct. The extinction was
likely due to geographical and climatic changes.

All mammals have an innate fear of the monster crow due to
genetic factors that evolved millions of years ago. It's
only natural.

Thanks,

Radium

[Immortalis]

On Jun 28, 10:05 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The following is a description of the monster crow [an
> extinct species of crows]:
>
> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is
> the most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000
> times smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its
> wings [including their feathers and the number of feathers]
> are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average adult crow.
>

It was probably in a transitionary stage or even like dolphins
and whales was evolving limbs from wings which evolved from
limbs. The gilding part of you post makes me think something
like that.

Flight is the process by which an object achieves sustained
movement either through the air by aerodynamically generating
lift or aerostatically using buoyancy, or movement beyond
earth's atmosphere, in the case of spaceflight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight

A wing is a surface used to produce lift and therefore
flight, for travel in the air or another gaseous medium. The
wing shape is usually an airfoil. The first use of the word
was for the foremost limbs of birds, but has been extended to
include the wings of insects, bats and pterosaurs and also
man-made devices.

A wing is a device for generating lift. Its aerodynamic
quality, expressed as a Lift-to-drag ratio, can be up to 60 on
some gliders. This means that a significantly smaller thrust
force can be applied to propel the wing through the air in
order to obtain a specified lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing

The Evolution Of Flight

Perhaps the most perplexing and controversial aspect of the
study of flight is the study of how and why flight evolved.
Since flight evolved millions of years ago in all of the
groups that are capable of flight today, we can't observe the
changes in behavior and much of the morphology that the
evolution of flight involves. We do have the fossil record,
though, and it is fairly good for the three main groups that
evolved true flight.

...The most amazing fact about the evolution of flight is the
extent of convergent evolution between the three main groups
that evolved it (again, the pterosaurs, birds, and bats). In
this convergence, we can see some semblance of general "rules"
that may govern how animals evolve flight, and from these
rules we can perhaps glean a hint of what it takes for an
animal to have potential for flight.

Flight Origins: How and Why?

...Evolution is limited by developmental and genetic
constraints. If an adaptation is useful to a lineage, chances
are that it will be preserved. If an adaptation is co-opted
from a previous use to a new use, it is called an exaptation.
The only scientific way to approach why flight evolved in a
group is to first figure out how it evolved; what the temporal
sequence of exaptations and adaptations was.

...If our study of functional morphology determines that the
ancestor of a flying group must have been a glider, and we
think that it was arboreal (like all modern non-aquatic
gliders) then flight must have evolved from an arboreal
gliding ancestor. If we have fossilized tracks of our probable
ancestor, then we can tell how it was moving on the ground. If
we figure out that the probable ancestor of a flying group was
a bipedal cursorial (running) form, then flight likely evolved
from the ground up.

How and Why Did Wings Evolve?

...Scientists generally agree that wings must have been
exaptations; they were used by the ancestor for one function,
and became useful for flight among the descendants (if they
weren't exaptations, then they were adaptations, which would
mean that they were wings already used for powered flight; a
circular argument).

A comparative study of the functional morphology of the wings
of the earliest known flying members of the lineage with the
"pre-wing" structures of likely ancestors and close relatives
provides the best evidence for how wings evolved.

1. Wings evolved from arms used to capture small prey.

2. Wings evolved because bipedal animals were leaping into
the air; large wings assisted leaping. This is possible;
any amount of wing could assist leaping. ...we first
need phylogenetic evidence for a bipedal running or
leaping origin.

3. Wings were used as sexual display structures; bigger wings
were preferred by potential mates.

4. Wings evolved from gliding ancestors who began to flap
their gliding structures in order to produce thrust.

It seems that #1, #2, and #4 are the best hypotheses to use
for the origin of wings because they can be tested by bringing
in other lines of evidence. Move on to consider these origins,
but remember: the issues of the evolution of flight and the
origins of flight are inextricably linked.

Summarized From;
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/flight/evolve.html

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/short.html

> Unlike most crows - which are black-colored - the monster
> crow is white colored. It is pure white.
>
> In addition, the monster crow does not have a beak or claws.
> It also does not make the 'caacaa' sound of most crows. In
> fact, the monster crow does not vocalize at all.
>
> The only sounds made by the monster crow are the sounds
> generated by its wings as it flies through their [without
> flapping its wings].
>
> The shape of the monster crow is similar to that of
> regular crows.
>
> The monster crow also rarely - if ever - flaps its wings.
> Whenever in flight, the monster crow keeps its wings
> completely spread-out and pointed slightly -- yet noticeably
> -- upward [rarely, if ever downward].
>
> / \ is downward
>
> \ / is upward.
>
> Think of the edges of the above slashes as the wings.
>
> The wings are also pointed forward and not at all backward.
> Most airplanes have their wings pointed backward.
>
> \ /
>
> The above two slashes represent backward-pointed wings.
>
> The following two slashes represent forward-pointed wings:
>
> / \
>
> This monster crow is terrifying because it will accidentally
> tickle you with its spread-out wings if you are in its
> environment. This monster crow does not mean to scare you
> but it has little control over its flight.
>
> With its wings spread out, it will slowly and softy brush
> against your skin as it flies close to you. This crow does
> not want to tickle you but since it has great difficult in
> controlling its movement, you'll definitely be tickled if
> you are close to it.
>
> The tickling sensation is extremely terrifying and
> disgusting.
>
> The psychological trauma is so intense that it affects the
> genes of all mammals.
>
> All mammals fear the monster crow even without being
> exposed to it. This is because their remote ancestors
> [millions of years ago] were touched by the tickly wings of
> the monster crow.
>
> Thankfully the monster crow is now extinct. The extinction
> was likely due to geographical and climatic changes.
>
> All mammals have an innate fear of the monster crow due to
> genetic factors that evolved millions of years ago. It's
> only natural.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

[Aardvark J]

"Radium" <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183093529.330125.129580@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Hi:
>
> The following is a description of the monster crow [an
> extinct species of crows]:
>
> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is
> the most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000
> times smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its
> wings [including their feathers and the number of feathers]
> are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average adult crow.
>

So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm.
If we multiply that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000 cm.
This would be the rough equivalent (someone check my math) of
0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000 feet, or (for you sports
fans) just less than three football fields or the length of a
Nimitz class aircraft carrier.

Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a
physical impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a
scientologist or a creationist or someone with a bit too much
crank up his snout.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:00:32 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, BA, MA, BLT, PhD, MYOB, STFU"
<someone@microsfot.com> wrote in
<8O-dnQLKlPwphhvbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@insightbb.com>:
>
>"Radium" <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1183093-
>529.330125.129580@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi:
>>
>> The following is a description of the monster crow [an
>> extinct species of crows]:
>>
>> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is
>> the most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is
>> 1,000 times smaller than that of the average infant crow.
>> Yet its wings [including their feathers and the number of
>> feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average
>> adult crow.

Does a crow body even weigh 100 grams? This one would be less
than 100 milligrams. How silly.

>So let's see. The mature common crow's wingspan is 30- 40cm.
>If we multiply that by 1,000, we get something like 30,000
>cm. This would be the rough equivalent (someone check my
>math) of 0.3 kilometers, 12,000 inches, 1,000 feet, or (for
>you sports fans) just less than three football fields or the
>length of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.

It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make it
only about 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three
dimensions), which would still be ten times longer, at least.

>Somehow, I get the sneaky suspicion that this bird is a
>physical impossibility, likely dreamed up by either a
>scientologist or a creationist or someone with a bit too much
>crank up his snout.

Of course no bird could have wings that were a million times
larger than the norm for such a body.

[Radium]

On Jun 30, 7:25 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make
> it only about 35 times longer or mass (lets try all
> three dimensions), which would still be ten times
> longer, at least.

I forget two important facts, so all three dimensions may not
necessarily apply:

1. The wings of the monster crow maybe a 1,000 times bigger
than today's average adult crow. However, the flesh that is
present in these monster wings is a 1,000 times thinner
than the flesh present in the wings of today' average
juvenile crow.

2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain any
form of any adipose tissue at all.

[Lorentz]

On Jun 29, 1:05 am, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is
> the most terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000
> times smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its
> wings [including their feathers and the number of feathers]
> are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average adult crow.
I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it look
like a piece of string? White string?

[Spiznet]

On Jun 30, 10:41 pm, Lorentz <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:05 am, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:>
> The monster crow is a mega-winged, mini-bodied crow. It is
> the most
> > terrifying creature on the earth. Its body is 1,000 times
> > smaller than that of the average infant crow. Yet its
> > wings [including their feathers and the number of
> > feathers] are 1,000 times bigger than that of the average
> > adult crow.
>
> I have difficulty visualizing this animal. Does it
> look like a piece of string? White string?

We have several of these monster crows on this Google
discussion site. One is named Marc E. Verhoevenne. Also there
is one Eddy Conrdd, bone monster crow. Beware and be aware!!

[Radium]

On Jun 30, 7:41 pm, Lorentz <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does it look like a piece of string?

It looks like any mammal's worst innate nightmare -- and it
is.

[Radium]

On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 7:25 am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > It could be surface area (sq. rt. 1000) which would make
> > it only about 35 times longer or mass (lets try all three
> > dimensions), which would still be ten times longer, at
> > least.
>
> I forget two important facts, so all three dimensions may
> not necessarily apply:
>
> 1. The wings of the monster crow maybe a 1,000 times bigger
> than today's average adult crow. However, the flesh that
> is present in these monster wings is a 1,000 times
> thinner than the flesh present in the wings of today'
> average juvenile crow.
>
> 2. Unlike today's crows, the monster crow does not contain
> any form of any adipose tissue at all.

I forgot another extremely important fact. The monster crow's
flight speed is extremely slow -- around 1,000 times slower
than the average juvenile crow of today.