Ironjustic
Fri, Jun-29-07, 06:16
Using logic and reason .. if transfusions TO a higher
hemoglobin kill you and if using drugs to stimuate red blood
cell production TO a higher hemoglobin kill you .. then ..
higher hemoglobin is .. bad ..
http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.med/msg/c2ea35645f5e0-
c72?hl=en&
"it was once thought that blood transfusions should be
performed any time a patient's hemoglobin level dipped below
10 grams of hemoglobin per decilitre of blood - but now
guidelines in varying countries put that between 6 and
8g."
According to this .. the hemoglobin seems to be very low
BEFORE .. intervention / transfusion .. is advised ..
according to some countries.
Now .. WHY .. is the intervention of .. erythropoiesis ..
STIMULATING .. drugs .. used .. BEFORE .. those guidelines OF
.. "increased death rate" ..
If you have an increased DEATH rate .. using ONE method of
increasing hemoglobin one might use their .. brain .. and
generalize it TO .. the general category of .. ? .. ? ..
hemglobin .. ?
Soo .. IF .. one USES .. hemoglobin .. then one would NOT ..
use .. the 'anemia intervention' OF .. drugs ..
'Coincidentally' .. the drugs getting BIG PRESS LATELY .. for
.. ? .. for .. ?
"Killing numerous people" ..
Sooo .. since the transfusions kill people .. and since the
erythropoietin .. is killing everyone .. one might think these
.. braindeadfkgmorons .. would catch .. on .. ?
One .. might .. LIKE .. to think ..
Hypervolemia / erythrocytosis .. is treated by .. bloodletting
/ hemodilution / venesection / erythrocytapheresis /
phlebotomy .. etc , etc , etc
http://tinyurl.com/35dug
<<snip>> This is the largest published study measuring blood
volume and patient outcomes. Congestive heart failure is the
number one cause for admission to hospitals for patients over
65 years of age and results in annual healthcare costs
exceeding $38 billion.
The study followed severely ill congestive heart failure
patients for a median follow up of 719 days. During the first
year, the major finding was a 39% death rate in patients that
were hypervolemic (excess blood volume) vs. 0% death rate for
those who were normovolemic/hypovolemic (normal blood volume/
mildly reduced blood volume). For those hypervolemic patients
that were followed for a median duration of 719 days, the
death rate was almost 55% vs. 0% for those patients who were
normovolemic to slightly hypovolemic. <<snip>>
http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/1/2/22
hemoglobin kill you and if using drugs to stimuate red blood
cell production TO a higher hemoglobin kill you .. then ..
higher hemoglobin is .. bad ..
http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.med/msg/c2ea35645f5e0-
c72?hl=en&
"it was once thought that blood transfusions should be
performed any time a patient's hemoglobin level dipped below
10 grams of hemoglobin per decilitre of blood - but now
guidelines in varying countries put that between 6 and
8g."
According to this .. the hemoglobin seems to be very low
BEFORE .. intervention / transfusion .. is advised ..
according to some countries.
Now .. WHY .. is the intervention of .. erythropoiesis ..
STIMULATING .. drugs .. used .. BEFORE .. those guidelines OF
.. "increased death rate" ..
If you have an increased DEATH rate .. using ONE method of
increasing hemoglobin one might use their .. brain .. and
generalize it TO .. the general category of .. ? .. ? ..
hemglobin .. ?
Soo .. IF .. one USES .. hemoglobin .. then one would NOT ..
use .. the 'anemia intervention' OF .. drugs ..
'Coincidentally' .. the drugs getting BIG PRESS LATELY .. for
.. ? .. for .. ?
"Killing numerous people" ..
Sooo .. since the transfusions kill people .. and since the
erythropoietin .. is killing everyone .. one might think these
.. braindeadfkgmorons .. would catch .. on .. ?
One .. might .. LIKE .. to think ..
Hypervolemia / erythrocytosis .. is treated by .. bloodletting
/ hemodilution / venesection / erythrocytapheresis /
phlebotomy .. etc , etc , etc
http://tinyurl.com/35dug
<<snip>> This is the largest published study measuring blood
volume and patient outcomes. Congestive heart failure is the
number one cause for admission to hospitals for patients over
65 years of age and results in annual healthcare costs
exceeding $38 billion.
The study followed severely ill congestive heart failure
patients for a median follow up of 719 days. During the first
year, the major finding was a 39% death rate in patients that
were hypervolemic (excess blood volume) vs. 0% death rate for
those who were normovolemic/hypovolemic (normal blood volume/
mildly reduced blood volume). For those hypervolemic patients
that were followed for a median duration of 719 days, the
death rate was almost 55% vs. 0% for those patients who were
normovolemic to slightly hypovolemic. <<snip>>
http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/1/2/22