Depression stinks

[jddistef]

Seems obvious, huh? But the meds stink, too. The one I am on causes intense carb cravings as a side effect. After being on it and eating all the marshmallows out of the Lucky Charms box, at my doctor appt follow up we discover that I am prediabetes. My doctor recommended Atkins so here I am.

Damn I miss those marshmallows.

I just saw a picture of myself at a party from yesterday and nearly cried. I dearly hope I am one of those people who have some rapid results to keep motivated because I am not feeling well at the moment.

Sorry to whine... I just need to vent to someone who might understand...

[LacyOkey]

well no matter how slow it seems it is always better than gaining or maintaining.
I felt like it took me forever to lose the first twenty pounds.Really it took two months.slower than average but it still feels good.Using the thought process that it was better to lose slowly than gain or maintain has saved me and kept me going.

oh yeah and I talk to myself alot too

[ElleH]

I totally understand. I battle depression on a daily basis, and I've chosen to do it w/o meds, b/c of all the side-effects. This is a good place for support. :)

[LilithD]

Me too! I live in NZ, and this time of year I need to get sunlight onto at leat my arms for 10mins a day, then I don't get Seasonal Affective Disorder. This, as well as low carb eating, makes a HUGE difference for me.

As for low carb, I fell off the last couple of days and had some sugar, and it's soooo not worthwhile. JD, once you're really in ketosis, you might find that stabilises your mood a lot. There's lots of good advice on this site about how to make artificial-sweetener treats too, if those cravings are hard to handle at first.

Stick with Atkins and stick with the great people on this site :)

[Lady Grace]

I am new to this forum thing and still learning. I have SAD winter and gray days. Would like to hook up with you and correspond. How can we do that here? I don't know how to do it. :wave:

[jddistef]

Lady Grace, you can click on my name and send me a private message. That would be a way to correspond privately.

[Lady Grace]

I tried to do that and it said I was not allowed or set up to correspond privately. I am sitting here today trying to learn how to do this forum. :wave:

[jddistef]

Actually, I remember that happening to me as well. I think you have to post a certain number of times before you are allowed to message. You can feel free to visit my journal, or anyone else's who has the journal icon near their names. It's a good way to get to know people...

[JAnn]

I believe you have to have 24 entries b/4 you can pm.

[Kristine]

^Yep, you can send PMs the day after you make your 25th post.

jddistef, I understand. :there: I've never been on meds, but wouldn't it be nice if, after doing Atkins for a while, you could ease yourself off them? My poor nutrition and constant unstable blood sugar turned out to be a huge factor in my depression. Use that as part of your motivation. Staying on plan means taking care of your body and mind.

Something else that seems to help me is supplemental fish oil and exercise - even if it's just walking. Both of those things make a difference in my moods. Since June, I've been struggling with anxiety and struggling to stay on plan... and it was late May that I ran out of fish oil and never bothered getting more. ( :rolleyes: Okay, I got paid yesterday, I'll go today for sure!)

Anyway... best of luck and health to you. :rheart:

[TimesTwo]

With all due respect, I have to disagree with some of the things that were said here.

Sometimes depression is so severe that one simply can't choose to go without medication. I really hope I don't come off as rude. That's not my intention at all. It's just that I resent the notion that it's possible for all of us to control our depression without medication. I hope you don't apply your situation to others'.

With two medications and skills learned from cognitive behavioral therapy, about 90% of the time I can make the decision to get out of bed when I'm feeling depressed. Without the primary medication, I can't even begin to consider whether or not I should get out of bed.

This isn't about will power. It's about the severity of a condition.

[jddistef]

I agree, TimesTwo. Added to that are environmental stressors, of which I have many right now. With meds and therapy, I hope to get through this, though there are days that I doubt that.

[Cajunboy47]

If someone feels they need medications, they should take them. But all depression can be treated without medication and it isn't a matter of will power. It is a matter of understanding yourself and understanding what depression is.

There are natural supplements, way short of harmful prescription drugs that can assist in getting over depression and there are many psychological therapies to help without the use of drugs.

I am not saying it is easy to conquer depression without medication. I am not saying that any one person who reads this will ever put forth the effort it takes to conquer depression without medication.

I don't buy into the medical community opinion of chemical processes in the brain that make it necessary to depend of drugs to control depression. Drugs only mask the symptoms.

What my mind believes I can conceive. If I believe I can end depression without drugs, I can do it. If I believe I cannot, then I'm going to be drug dependent.

Don't believe in hopelessness... Have hope!

[TimesTwo]

But all depression can be treated without medication and it isn't a matter of will power. It is a matter of understanding yourself and understanding what depression is.So once I complete my studies in behavioral science, I won't have depression anymore? :rolleyes: Give me a break.

[Cajunboy47]

So once I complete my studies in behavioral science, I won't have depression anymore? :rolleyes: Give me a break.


This world is full of educated idiots. So, I guess it is thorougly possible for someone to get a degree in behavioral science and still be depressed and in need of medication, while an uneducated person with conscious awareness can end their depression without medication. What the mind believes, it can conceive...... :)

[suze_c]

My 2 cents here- I believe what a person THINKS can help them will give some help PLUS very important what a person says. If a person walks about all the time "i'm so depressed,i'm so depressed...etc. so on and forth" the body and mind will see it as a command- I'm not saying to be unrealistic- but to perhaps say something like I am feeling better- I am improving- along that line may help out some also.

I know about depression- been severely depressed, clinically depression, in depression due to grief (losing my son 2 yr. ago)- other factors. My husband deals with it also- has it. There is a huge difference in how we handle it. I HATE taking meds- he will for almost anything. I believe a person will get in their head that they can't do anything due to depression (or whatever reason) and it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now MAYBE because I HAD to be responsible- I HAD to take care of my son, because no one helped me at that time- to know that JUST because someone doesn't FEEL like doing something- does NOT mean they are unable to. A person may not FEEL like getting out of bed- or doing whatever task- fake it til ya make it!

I did start cymbalta almost a month ago, and restarted low carb'n about 11 days ago (7-7-07). I am feeling better- could be due to cymbalta- could be due to food options, could be both. I know I do NOT want to keep on taking meds if I do not have to- as Kristine has said- nutrition and blood sugars have a lot to do with depression also- my blood sugars are down about 35 points now- in less than 2 wks. And I remember reading something about women and low blood sugars- we are more sensitive to unstable blood sugars than the males of the species.

EACH person has to determine what is right for them. I also took St. John's wort for depression, and it helped me also. I decided to give the cymbalta a try due to nerve pain from some procedures I had done. Weigh all of the choices- the options available, and then make a decision. And by the way- I read a book and it is in my storage (like 95% of my belongings :lol:)- and it talked about the role that diet plays in the serotonin levels in the brain. 1+1=2 sort of thing. DIET DOES make a difference! And one's body will crave carbs- due to many reasons- it DOES get easier-

[Cajunboy47]

Posted by Suze C
nutrition and blood sugars have a lot to do with depression also- my blood sugars are down about 35 points now- in less than 2 wks. And I remember reading something about women and low blood sugars- we are more sensitive to unstable blood sugars than the males of the species.

First, my condolences. Losing a child is not an easy thing. From your post, it sounds like you're not going to be using meds very long. If you're diabetic and it is out of control, you can feel depressed. You said your blood sugar is down. Is it under control?

I am diabetic and controlled without meds. There are many different approaches with vitamins, herbs, minerals and amino acids that help stabilize blood sugars and of course as you've discovered, the most important thing is our diet.....

Good luck to you..... Remember, it is all mind over matter... If you don't mind, it don't matter.... :) we gotta laugh, right?(wink)

[TimesTwo]

My 2 cents here- I believe what a person THINKS can help them will give some help PLUS very important what a person says. If a person walks about all the time "i'm so depressed,i'm so depressed...etc. so on and forth" the body and mind will see it as a command- I'm not saying to be unrealistic- but to perhaps say something like I am feeling better- I am improving- along that line may help out some also.Yes, which is why the best treatment for depression is a combination of medication (if needed) and psychotherapy.

[jddistef]

I believe that there are some who can relieve depression with diet, exercise, and "mind over matter". For others there is a chemical component as well as environmental factors.

I have tried to go without meds. It didn't work. I was very determined, but the depression won out. I was told by a doctor that this is an issue: I had a very difficult childhood. Because of this, my brain had to work overtime to try to stabilize my mood. By this time, my brain is "tired" and needs help to replenish the necessary chemicals to help me regain balance. All I can tell you is that when you are in a deep depression, as I am now, you will take whatever help you can get.

[Kristine]

Sometimes depression is so severe that one simply can't choose to go without medication. I really hope I don't come off as rude. That's not my intention at all. It's just that I resent the notion that it's possible for all of us to control our depression without medication. I hope you don't apply your situation to others'.

Well, it does come off as a bit rude to me. I carefully chose the words "I", "a factor in my depression", "wouldn't it be nice if..." and "seems to help me". I'm just trying to suggest that you can do things besides just taking meds to put yourself in a better defensive position against depression.

[Cajunboy47]

I believe that there are some who can relieve depression with diet, exercise, and "mind over matter". For others there is a chemical component as well as environmental factors.

I have tried to go without meds. It didn't work. I was very determined, but the depression won out. I was told by a doctor that this is an issue: I had a very difficult childhood. Because of this, my brain had to work overtime to try to stabilize my mood. By this time, my brain is "tired" and needs help to replenish the necessary chemicals to help me regain balance. All I can tell you is that when you are in a deep depression, as I am now, you will take whatever help you can get.



Obviously from this post and my other posts, I don't believe in medications to end or control depression. But, in double checking my previous posts on this thread, I certainly don't advocate not taking medications if they are needed. Medications may be necessary until the right coping skills are found and may be necessary if the right coping skills are never found.

I don't think anyone would choose to use medications to end or control depression if they had a conscious awareness they can do it without medications. In years past, I used several types of medications, all of which weakened my mind and spirit.

Part of depression is holding on to past memories, such as "I had a bad childhood". That is a mind set that kept me "wallowering in the mud" for years. Heck, many people had a bad childhood and many of those people are coping just fine and they never suffered depression. So, what is the difference? It is a mind set, nothing more. For me, awareness was very simple. It wasn't easy, but it was simple.

After at least 10 different types of medications, seeing at least 3 different psychiatrists, 5 social workers, 5 psychologists, reading 20 to 30 self help books, having belonged to prayer groups, discussion groups, practiced meditations and been on spiritual retreats.... After all that, I had a simple revelation.......

I CAN'T CHANGE THE PAST, BUT I CAN CHANGE MY MIND

Now, for me, that was the awareness that allowed me to just let go and start living in the PRESENT MOMENT. With that simple awareness, I was able to quit wallowering in the mud. Once freed from my past, I was able to stop using medications and begin just living my life without worry and regret. It may not work the exact same way for anybody else, but somewhere and somehow, a simple answer which already exists is waiting to be realized.

Keep hope alive..... We all have different stories which can allow us to put a different spin on the same problem, thus disguising ourselves as unique so we can keep wallowering. We all have the capability to cope and not be depressed. Finding the capability for me, was always something that was out there somewhere, but I was looking in all the wrong places. Capability is inside each and everyone of us. It is not a future time or place that needs to be found, it is an awareness of something that already exists inside of us.

I have only one motive for posting here and that is to reach out and say that if depression seems insurmountable to you as it seemed to me at one time, just know that it can end in the blink of an eye. Never lose hope, the next blink might bring about the conscious awareness you need.

[jddistef]

I do appreciate your comments, and I am in therapy to deal with the issues that I have as residual effects of my childhood. My goal is to eventually be medication-free, but right now that is not an option for me. I wish I could simply adopt a new mindset, but I am at a weak point and it seems insurmountable. I suppose that's what therapy is for. I admire your strength of spirit... I wish I had as much strength.

I hope being med free is a realistic goal and with the help of my therapist (and the meds for a time), I really hope I can get there.

[Cajunboy47]

jddistef:

you are there... If I can phrase "HOPE" in another way for you:

Finding freedom depression is like looking everywhere for something I've lost. I look in all the places I can think of first, then one day I stumble upon what I've lost. I look at what I've finally found and realize, "if only I would have looked there first", I wouldn't have agonized for so long in my search.

The illusiveness of the mind is that if one hundred people tell me that what I've lost is inside of me and I do not need to search anywhere else, I will still search elsewhere until I reach conscious awareness for myself.

HOPE lies in searching. A young Princess kisses a few frogs before finding her Prince. The moral being, if you haven't found your Prince, keep kissing frogs.....

[serrelind]

Cajunboy, nice posts. Thanks for the input. As someone who is prone to depression, living in the past, melancholy, etc, I found your posts interesting and helpful.

[ElleH]

Jeez, I'm sorry I said anything. I never meant to imply that everyone should go without medication. I probably need medication for my depression, it's that long-standing and that severe, but b/c of the side effects, I still choose to do without them.

And yes, since I have taken steps to truly understand myself and what depression is and more importantly what it is NOT, it makes it easier to overcome it with a choice each day, each moment to participate in life as much as I can....most days, that is. I have bad days, for sure.

But I just don't believe, based on *my* experience with meds, that I would be better off OVERALL on meds. My depression may be better, but the side effects were worse, at least for me. I guess it works better for some people than for others.

At any rate, I'm sorry to have started a firestorm.

All my choices are for myself and I NEVER extrapolate my decisions onto others. I re-read my post, and I can't see where I did that, not in the least. I said it was "my" choice. And I certainly didn't say that everyone should make that same choice.

As far as I'm concerned it's just like the choice between diet plans...to each his own.

[suze_c]

I VERY reluctantly chose to start cymbalta- a month ago tomorrow. I tried anti-depressants before, and hated it. I don't plan on keeping on with this for a long period either- and I KNOW I am feeling better than I was- the thing is- I am doing good on low carb'n, and intermittent fasting- am not eating the junk foods, I feel better seeing the numbers go down on the scale. I am still in pain- and even more since I had the accident last Tuesday at a restaurant.

I have been dealing with depression for a number of yrs. fomr mild to chronic- like an emotional roller coaster at times. There's been a lot of factors in it- the thing is- ain't ANY of us can EVER change what has happened to us. ALL WE CAN CHANGE IS OUR REACTION TO IT! Which is pretty much what cajunboy47 said.

My family dr. started me on mild tranquilizer when I was FIVE! My mom doesn't remember why- I know some of the abuse stopped then. I kid that my family motto is "for every ill there's a pill", but it's actually very sad. I tried St. John's wort before, with good results- the pain factor this time influenced my decision to try cymbalta.

I won't knock anyone for trying meds, or not trying them. As said, it IS an individual choice. I don't want to see ppl so medicated that they walk about like zombies- and emotionless. Feeling is a part of living. Even feeling pain---

reminds me of kahlil Gibran on joy and sorrow:

Then a woman said, "Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow."

And he answered:

Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.

And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.

And how else can it be?

The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.

Is not the cup that hold your wine the very cup that was burned in the potter's oven?

And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?

When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.

When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.

Some of you say, "Joy is greater than sorrow," and others say, "Nay, sorrow is the greater."

But I say unto you, they are inseparable.

Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.

Verily you are suspended like scales between your sorrow and your joy.

Only when you are empty are you at standstill and balanced.

When the treasure-keeper lifts you to weigh his gold and his silver, needs must your joy or your sorrow rise or fall.

[deniselisa]

I am studying Human Services (counseling, social sciences, etc) and am doing some intern work right now. I just sat in on a "Coping with Depression" group and learned a lot. Here is what I got out of this class:

1) Depression comes from many places- but 40% of people with depression are pre-disposed genetically; the other 60% is by environmental factors and drug and/or alcohol use

2) Depression is an illness- not an emotion. You may feel sad with depression; but along with it comes many physical symptoms- fatigue, headaches, sore muscles, prone to illness... and a few more I cannot remember

3) Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain tissues- more research is being done but it is due to a lack of seratonin and can be induced by environvental stressors and/or drug and alcohol abuse.

4) Depression can be treated- you must speak with a professional to determine together what your treatment should be. Some people find meds are effective, some find talk therapy effective, some find a combination of both.

The main goal of most therapies are to find out what the environmental stressors are for you and find the correct relievers before one has a "mental break". I have seen what happens after the break, which usually has a suicide threat or attempt. Yes, some depression could be that serious and it is really sad. Most of what I have seen is people feeling desparate and hopeless- often brought on by meth use or alcoholism (but I work in a place consumed by the effects or drug and alcohol use).

It is sad; so when I hear, or read, someone may have some sort of depression, I feel for them. There are good counseling centers all over and not everyone needs meds- but everyone needs the tools to help cope. Please go and help yourself find these tools.

Finally, yes the meds do often have weight gain as a side effect- but what I see is when folks are depressed they often eat "comfort foods"- which are very high in carbs, and make you crash after without stablizing anything, which makes one feel worse, which leads to depression- it is a vicious cycle. So maybe the meds aren't so bad, if needed.

[suze_c]

MOST, though not all anti-depressants also have lowered sexual libido as side effects as well. For someone single and not in a relationship or not wanting one, who may not care if they have a sex life or not (no offense to anyone single, just trying to make a point here) it may not be so bad- BUT to those who are in relationships or married- lowered sexual libido is not a good thing. And that is just one of the side effects of these meds. ALTHOUGH not everyone experiences side effects. Depression can also be treated with change of the diet, as many here have found out. So meds aren't the ONLY answer- though a lot of times, this will be the first thing that medical field offers. It is sad actually.

[jddistef]

MOST, though not all anti-depressants also have lowered sexual libido as side effects as well. For someone single and not in a relationship or not wanting one, who may not care if they have a sex life or not (no offense to anyone single, just trying to make a point here) it may not be so bad- BUT to those who are in relationships or married- lowered sexual libido is not a good thing. And that is just one of the side effects of these meds. ALTHOUGH not everyone experiences side effects. Depression can also be treated with change of the diet, as many here have found out. So meds aren't the ONLY answer- though a lot of times, this will be the first thing that medical field offers. It is sad actually.


Just an aside... depression doesn't do much for libido either.

As ElleH said, this is really an individual decision. I know that I need meds right now. The chemical imbalance mentioned by deniselisa needs correction and I am doing everything I can to take care of it. In the meantime, I am in a bad place. If the meds can help me find my way out, I will be way ahead of where I'm starting...

[suze_c]

jddistef- I'm not against using meds to find that place of feeling balanced again- I'm on cymbalta a month now as of today. I do feel better- but I won't attribute it all to cymbalta- but rather the combination of eating better & the meds. Time will tell when I stop the meds, & see how I am doing. I know also experiencing chronic pain for over 7 yrs. is a factor in my depression also- which inspires me to work harder to get the weight off so the arthritis I experience may be lessened.

[deniselisa]

I am so glad you are taking care of you. Keep on taking care of you, and please remember, you have an illness you are treating, just like any other illness. I hope you get the chance to talk to someone with the meds; your doctor should be able to put you in touch with someone. If not there are 800 numbers to call which can refer you to meet your needs. -Denise Whoops! Sorry, I just re-read the posts and see you are in therapy; good for you! I'll keep up the original just for the simple info.

[cs_carver]

I'm reading Peter Kramer's Against Depression and it's really made me angry; would recommend it to many on this discussion. Found it at B&N the other evening.

We used to talk about tuberculosis the same way. We glorified the people who had it; they were "different" and special in some way and "touched." Then we discovered it was a disease, transmitted in coughing, and now we treat people medically. We also treat them with the law, and we don't say, "everyone has to make their own decision about how they should treat their tuberculosis."

We say that a little bit about cancer, but most people agree cancer should be vigorously treated, not "learn how to live with it."

Depression can be tracked in the brain. It causes organic brain damage, and repeated bouts of serious depression cause increasing organic brain damage. Depression worsens the outcome of many additional health problems, esp. heart attacks and strokes. It is probably related to problems with the way bodies process stress hormones.

Measured financially, depression is the world's most expensive disease, ahead of AIDS.

Arguing that depression is the result of hanging on to old feelings is about as medically true as saying that autism is the result of refridgerator mothers, or homosexuality is the result of a distant father.

Might be time for some revisionist thinking.

[lizzyLC]

jjdistef - I hope you start feeling better soon and everyone else.

[jddistef]

Thanks, lizzy, and to everyone who has added to this thread. I didn't want to stir up trouble... just vent my frustration with my depression.

[Cajunboy47]

Posted by CS Carver:

Arguing that depression is the result of hanging on to old feelings is about as medically true as saying that autism is the result of refridgerator mothers, or homosexuality is the result of a distant father.

No argument from me, but many psychologists would probably argue with you.

Also, I think there is medical evidence that proves a link between hanging on to old feelings and many diseases. Our mental health, no matter if it is based on heriditary factors, our belief system, or whatever, does bring about disease into our lives.......

Medicine is not an exact science, so why put all our hopes into a medical approach. What is wrong with having faith, the size of a mustard seed, that quite possibly we can heal our mental condition of depression through self awareness????

I don't think we should debate meds or no meds, but realize that both are viable approaches to better health..... If you need meds, take them...

[cs_carver]

No argument from me, but many psychologists would probably argue with you.

Also, I think there is medical evidence that proves a link between hanging on to old feelings and many diseases. Our mental health, no matter if it is based on heriditary factors, our belief system, or whatever, does bring about disease into our lives.......

Actually, your posts do argue the point, quite strongly.

Our thinking on depression is in the process of being updated. We used to think "nice" women died in childbirth because they were "delicate," vs their more robust country cousins, and then we discovered it was because their doctors weren't washing in between beds.

"Our mental health brings diseases into our lives...." is blame-the-victim thinking.

Depression is a disease. There are a number of ways to treat it, not all of which require prescription medication, and sometimes it remits on its own. But it is nevertheless a disease, with very nasty consequences.

[suze_c]

I HATE being on meds for depression- it has been a little over a month now, and the 3rd time I have tried it- i have decided to give it a little more time- but also am going to work on eating healthier- which I am- and that could also be part of why I am feeling better as well. I don't plan on keeping on taking these meds though- I am doing it to get over a few rough spots for now.

I will support anyone in what ways they have chosen to deal with this- because not everything is going to work the same for all. It is a fact- that all ppl have exhibited some form of mental illness at one time or another in their life, if even for a short moment. This is from a book called SHADOW SYNDROME. It is good reading- I recommend it.

[Cajunboy47]

Actually, your posts do argue the point, quite strongly.

Our thinking on depression is in the process of being updated. We used to think "nice" women died in childbirth because they were "delicate," vs their more robust country cousins, and then we discovered it was because their doctors weren't washing in between beds.

"Our mental health brings diseases into our lives...." is blame-the-victim thinking.

Depression is a disease. There are a number of ways to treat it, not all of which require prescription medication, and sometimes it remits on its own. But it is nevertheless a disease, with very nasty consequences.

There is a difference between making a strong point and being argumentative. I think you make a stong point also, although a part of your post seems redundant and the part of the "washing between beds" is not clear as to your meaning.

If you don't think mental health affects physical health, then go back and read your own post on it... You contradicted yourself, so I guess you are arguing with yourself. Is that depression or another mental illness? :)

[wannadanc]

the part of the "washing between beds" is not clear as to your meaning.

If one understands that medicine has not always known of the germ concept and that doctors often did not wash their hands as they went from one patient to another, then one understands that as time progresses we learn that "facts" we once thought were true are often shown to be misguided.

Depression falls into this category - we know more about it now - and we are moving from the mentality that suggested one just needs to "get over it" into a recognition that many disorders ARE due to chemical imbalances. These disorders can be behavioral.

[Cajunboy47]

If one understands that medicine has not always known of the germ concept and that doctors often did not wash their hands as they went from one patient to another, then one understands that as time progresses we learn that "facts" we once thought were true are often shown to be misguided.

Depression falls into this category - we know more about it now - and we are moving from the mentality that suggested one just needs to "get over it" into a recognition that many disorders ARE due to chemical imbalances. These disorders can be behavioral.

Spoken with clarity. thanks.... Great post!......

the following is only my warped sense of humor:

:) "Get over it".... While it takes a long time to reach a point of being healed in some instances, be it phsycial or psychological, at the moment we have a healing, "we are over it"... I find it funny to think we (myself included) all use such an expression to define wrongful thinking, when the ultimate goal, whether wrong or right thinking is involved, the goal is the same "Get over it"... :)

Meds or no meds, without hope, all is more difficult. I hope we all "get over it"...:)

[ElleH]

I had posted something, but I removed it.

[suze_c]

Spoken with clarity. thanks.... Great post!......

the following is only my warped sense of humor:

:) "Get over it".... While it takes a long time to reach a point of being healed in some instances, be it phsycial or psychological, at the moment we have a healing, "we are over it"... I find it funny to think we (myself included) all use such an expression to define wrongful thinking, when the ultimate goal, whether wrong or right thinking is involved, the goal is the same "Get over it"... :)

Meds or no meds, without hope, all is more difficult. I hope we all "get over it"...:)
Someone actually said this to me a month after my son died- "get over it". Then the idjit couldn't understand why I was upset about his comment. He was totally without a clue of any understanding of it, or compassion! Even 28 months later, I still am missing my son & always will.