Bipedalism antedating knuckle-walking

[Marc Verha]

Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3148@yahoo.co.uk> schreef:

>> Proc.Anat.Soc.Gr.Brit.& Ireland 2007 J.Anat.
>>
>> EE Verveecke "Getting bipedal: the gibbon's perspective"
>>
>> RH Crompton "Locomotion & posture: from the common Afr.ape
>> ancestor to fully modern hominins" There is increasing
>> evidence that habitual orthogrady characterises the common
>> ancestor of living hominoids. Bipedality itself seems to
>> antedate the chimp-human divergence...

> Probably wont convince those knuckleheads who like to tell
> just-so stories about the 'knuckle-walking' ancestors of
> Man. m3d Knucklehead: From the 1930's (circa). Refers to a
> person of questionable intelligence. The size of the brain
> being given relative size of a human knuckle. Similar to
> pinhead. Urban Dictionary.

Yes, those knuckle-heads find butchered antelopes in what they
call savanna, neglect all other fossil, archeol.& comparative
evidence & declare that our ancestors always have lived in the
savannas running after antelopes... Incredible, but such
knuckle-heads who declare themselves scientists still exist.
About as smart as creationinsts.

--Marc

[Lee Olsen]

On Jun 17, 5:49 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3...@yahoo.co.uk> schreef:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Proc.Anat.Soc.Gr.Brit.& Ireland 2007 J.Anat.
>
> >> EE Verveecke "Getting bipedal: the gibbon's perspective"
>
> >> RH Crompton "Locomotion & posture: from the common
> >> Afr.ape ancestor to fully modern hominins" There is
> >> increasing evidence that habitual orthogrady
> >> characterises the common ancestor of living hominoids.
> >> Bipedality itself seems to antedate the chimp-human
> >> divergence...
> > Probably wont convince those knuckleheads who like to tell
> > just-so stories about the 'knuckle-walking' ancestors of
> > Man. m3d Knucklehead: From the 1930's (circa). Refers to a
> > person of questionable intelligence. The size of the brain
> > being given relative size of a human knuckle. Similar to
> > pinhead. Urban Dictionary.

Yes, Marc isn't smart enough to look up hard evidence for
earliest Homo eating coconuts, oysters and kelp in the
journals, so all he can do is look up words in a dictionary to
use as derogatory comments. Very childish.

>
> Yes, those knuckle-heads find butchered antelopes in what
> they call savanna, neglect all other fossil, archeol.&
> comparative evidence & declare that our ancestors always
> have lived in the savannas running after antelopes...

The reason Marc can't find attribution marks to use here is
because there isn't any, since no such thing was ever said or
done. We expect that from comparative imagination folks. Marc
has no evidence of his own but imagination, he is reduced to
strawman arguments and name calling because that is all he
has. His lack of science background prevents him from
understanding a null hypothesis.

> Incredible, but such knuckle-heads who declare themselves
> scientists still exist. About as smart as creationinsts.

Message-ID:
<1124565262.379006.215260@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Jason
Eshleman destroys AAT: " But since you asked, fossils do not
indicate that humans were tied to a maritime ecology for the
duration of the time you are suggesting. There is ample
evidence of some of the traits you argue for (e.g. 'linear
build' and 'reduced climbing' beginning long before your
1.8mybp diaspora). This is fossil evidence that contradicts
your scenario in terms of its ability to explain anything.
There is ample evidence of humans engaging in inland
ecologies, exploiting resources that are not aquatic. You are
asking for someone to contradict something that you've not
made a case for. You are asking someone to prove a negative.
This isn't science, though I suspect you don't know what
science is and as such will continue your mentally ill
diatribes.

The real question is what are you doing here? From my
vantage, what you're doing is asking people to prove a
negative and assuming and asserting that people who don't
suck up to you don't do so because they've missed some data.
Not true. I'm aware that early hominids lived in gallery
forests and a variety of open and closed woodlands. So what?
You seem to think, erroneously, that there is only "savanna"
and "AAT." This is a false dichotomy that you've set up that
fools only yourself.

Again, you are assuming a dichotomy that does not exist. You
posit "savanna" for anything that doesn't agree with you hook,
line and sinker. I've seen you try to put Algis in his place
by calling him a savanna believer. Perhaps you actually
believe that anything that doesn't agree with "your scenario"
is tacitly invoking the mirror of Raymond Dart's hypotheses,
but it isn't. You've set up a strawman. You've deluded
yourself. You're a fraud."

[Marc Verha]

Op 20-06-2007 23:22, in artikel
1182374557.510518.230480@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:

> On Jun 17, 5:49 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> schreef:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Proc.Anat.Soc.Gr.Brit.& Ireland 2007 J.Anat. EE Verveecke
>>>> "Getting bipedal: the gibbon's perspective" RH Crompton
>>>> "Locomotion & posture: from the common Afr.ape ancestor
>>>> to fully modern hominins" There is increasing evidence
>>>> that habitual orthogrady characterises the common
>>>> ancestor of living hominoids. Bipedality itself seems to
>>>> antedate the chimp-human divergence...

>>> Probably wont convince those knuckleheads who like to tell
>>> just-so stories about the 'knuckle-walking' ancestors of
>>> Man. m3d Knucklehead: From the 1930's (circa). Refers to a
>>> person of questionable intelligence. The size of the brain
>>> being given relative size of a human knuckle. Similar to
>>> pinhead. Urban Dictionary.

> Yes, Marc isn't smart enough to look up hard evidence for
> earliest Homo eating coconuts, oysters and kelp in the
> journals, so all he can do is look up words in a dictionary
> to use as derogatory comments. Very childish.

No, no, my boy: it's not me who said this... :-)

[Marc Verha]

Op 21-06-2007 00:53, in artikel
1182380016.239984.31510@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:

> On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 20-06-2007 23:22, in artikel
>> 1182374557.510518.230...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, Lee
>> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
>> schreef:

>>> On Jun 17, 5:49 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> schreef:

me:

>>>>>> Proc.Anat.Soc.Gr.Brit.& Ireland 2007 J.Anat. EE
>>>>>> Verveecke "Getting bipedal: the gibbon's perspective"
>>>>>> RH Crompton "Locomotion & posture: from the common
>>>>>> Afr.ape ancestor to fully modern hominins" There is
>>>>>> increasing evidence that habitual orthogrady
>>>>>> characterises the common ancestor of living hominoids.
>>>>>> Bipedality itself seems to antedate the chimp-human
>>>>>> divergence...

m3dodds:

>>>>> Probably wont convince those knuckleheads who like to
>>>>> tell just-so stories about the 'knuckle-walking'
>>>>> ancestors of Man. m3d Knucklehead: From the 1930's
>>>>> (circa). Refers to a person of questionable
>>>>> intelligence. The size of the brain being given relative
>>>>> size of a human knuckle. Similar to pinhead. Urban
>>>>> Dictionary.

>>> Yes, Marc isn't smart enough to look up hard evidence for
>>> earliest Homo eating coconuts, oysters and kelp in the
>>> journals, so all he can do is look up words in a
>>> dictionary to use as derogatory comments. Very childish.

>> No, no, my boy: it's not me who said this... :-)

> You mean there are two name-calling nut cases? I thought you
> were the only one.

[Lee Olsen]

On Jun 21, 3:28 am, Marc Verhaegen
<m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> Op 21-06-2007 00:53, in artikel
> 1182380016.239984.31...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> schreef:
>
> > On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
> > wrote:
> >> Op 20-06-2007 23:22, in artikel
> >> 1182374557.510518.230...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> >> Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
> >> schreef:
> >>> On Jun 17, 5:49 am, Marc Verhaegen
> >>> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
> >>>> Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>> schreef:
>
> me:

"Yes, those knuckle-heads find butchered antelopes in what
they call savanna, ..."

You said "knuckle-heads" who cares where you said it?
Where you say
anything is irrelevant because nothing you say is
correct anyway.

[Marc Verha]

Op 21-06-2007 14:37, in artikel
1182429452.265010.316330@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
knuckle-head Lee Olsen
<paleocity@hotmail.com> schreef:

> On Jun 21, 3:28 am, Marc Verhaegen
> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> Op 21-06-2007 00:53, in artikel
>> 1182380016.239984.31...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Lee
>> Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> schreef:
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2:42 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@skynet.be>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Op 20-06-2007 23:22, in artikel
>>>> 1182374557.510518.230...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
>>>> Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com>
>>>> schreef:
>>>>> On Jun 17, 5:49 am, Marc Verhaegen
>>>>> <m_verhae...@skynet.be> wrote:
>>>>>> Op 17-06-2007 13:31, m3dodds <dons3...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>> schreef:
>>
>> me:
>
> "Yes, those knuckle-heads find butchered antelopes in what
> they call savanna, ..."
>
> You said "knuckle-heads" who cares where you said it? Where
> you say
> anything is irrelevant because nothing you say is correct
> anyway.

My little boy, never heard of a quote??