Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

[farmer]

Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What
is the best source of protein?

Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

[Omelet]

In article
<464ba5b5$0$5018$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu>,
farmer@barnyard.com wrote:

> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What
> is the best source of protein?
>
> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Soy makes me fart. Whey doesn't.

;-)
--
Peace, Om

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[Tom Anders]

On Thu, 17 May 2007, farmer@barnyard.com wrote:

> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked

SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes
enemies! SOY!

tom

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[Will Brink]

In article
<464ba5b5$0$5018$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu>,
farmer@barnyard.com wrote:

> Is protein all the same?

No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Tunderbar]

On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What
> is the best source of protein?
>
> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm

Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat
proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
(denatured) proteins.

And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally eaten
as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in small
amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will be
exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and
phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison.

[Tunderbar]

On May 17, 12:28 pm, JMW
<jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> >> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> >> What is the best source of protein?
>
> >> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> >>http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>
> >Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat
> >proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
> >(denatured) proteins.
>
> >And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally
> >eaten as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in
> >small amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will
> >be exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and
> >phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison.
>
> I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
> sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How about from common-sense.nutrition ?

[cleanskin]

soy also contains phytoestrogens and high levels of phytic
acid. Phytic acid will prevent minerals from being absorbed.
Please don't eat soy. Unless it is fermented. And even then
only in small amounts.

On May 17, 3:43 pm, "toot...@sbcglobal.net"
<toot...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Tom Anderson wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 May 2007, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>
> >> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> > SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes
> > enemies! SOY!
>
> > tom
>
> Soy slows down your thyroid.
>
> http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/073380.htm
>
> soy makes you gayhttp://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?-
> ARTICLE_ID=53327

[Ron Peters]

On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What
> is the best source of protein?

It's a complicated issue because there are several
essential amino acids (EAA) which occur in different ratios
in protein sources.

It may pay to have a mixture of proteins to get a better
EAA balance.

See http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/MEETING/004/M2835E/M2835E00.HTM

--
Ron

[Omelet]

In article
<1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> > What is the best source of protein?
> >
> > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> >
> > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>
> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat
> proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
> (denatured) proteins.
>
> And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally
> eaten as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in
> small amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will
> be exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and
> phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison.

Ok, I'll agree with that one.

Same goes for unfermented dairy products (except for whey
protein isolates).

IMHO cottage cheese, yogurt and hard cheeses are better for
you than even raw milk.

Sorry, no sites to prove that. Just comes from many years
of experience for what agrees with most people's
digestive systems.

Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
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[Jmw]

Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>> What is the best source of protein?
>>
>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>
>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>
>Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat
>proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
>(denatured) proteins.
>
>And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally
>eaten as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in
>small amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will be
>exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and
>phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison.

I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.

[Will Brink]

In article
<1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> > What is the best source of protein?
> >
> > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> >
> > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>
> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

There is no 'ideal' protein

>Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
>(denatured) proteins.

Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some
benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to
keep repeating that over and over?

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Tootal2@Sb]

Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2007, farmer@barnyard.com wrote:
>
>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes
> enemies! SOY!
>
> tom
>
Soy slows down your thyroid.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/073380.htm

soy makes you gay
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

[Steve Frei]

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote

> Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)

I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic"
capsules and all they ever did was give me an upset stomach,
but lately I've been getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt
almost every day and I like it. I couldn't quantify what it's
done for me except that I feel better - a bit more energy, a
bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit less hungry
overall as well.

This is the stuff I have mostly:

http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B00032K9-
1A

although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com
- either that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The
former tastes great with maple syrup added, and in the
latter honey and walnuts, which is the way we had it when we
were in Greece.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com

[Steve Frei]

"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
news:a24p43d52mhlibl6t1v6q8jsmtufid06al@4ax.com...
> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>>> What is the best source of protein?
>>>
>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>>
>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>>
>>Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. Eat
>>proteins from real whole foods, not processed and refined
>>(denatured) proteins.
>>
>>And soy is not real food. It has only been traditionally
>>eaten as a fermented condiment. That is fermented and in
>>small amounts for flavoring. Without fermentation you will
>>be exposed to excessive amounts of phyto-toxins and
>>phyto-hormones. Unfermented soy is a low- grade poison.
>
> I hate it when this stuff gets cross-posted from
> sci.med.natural-food-dingbats.

I hadn't even noticed - I thought it was just us mfw'ers. In
the interest of mfw-relevant content, my workout today. Brief
background - focus of this cycle and the few before and after
is better performance at the 32 kg kettlebell snatch. M/W/F,
that's what I do, but since today is Thursday, it was
"whatever I'm in the mood for" day. Here you go:

32 kg: one-arm (of course) military press, 5 sets of 2 each
side

32 kg: windmill, 1 set of 3 each side

Superset: bw + 24 kg: pullup to touch throat, 3 reps - with -
bw + 16 kg: pistol, 3 each side

Superset: same as above but 5 reps instead of 3.

And there you have it. Equipment: one each 16, 24, and 32 kg
kettlebells. Pullup bar was an Oly bar bungeed to the top of
my power rack - thicker so a bit better grip training. Age: 52
years, bodyweight this morning: 69.5 kg.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com

[Tootal2@Sb]

Will Brink wrote:
> In article
> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>>> What is the best source of protein?
>>>
>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>>
>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
> There is no 'ideal' protein
>
>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
>> refined (denatured) proteins.
>
> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some
> benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to
> keep repeating that over and over?
>
Soy makes people gay

http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutrition/manhood.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

[Hobbes]

In article <willbrink-1705071510370001@192.168.2.156>,
willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> In article
> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> > > What is the best source of protein?
> > >
> > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> > >
> > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
> >
> > Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> There is no 'ideal' protein

I dunno. I consider a good, thick "Q'ed" t-bone of local angus
beef darn near ideal.

:^)

--
Keith

[Jason Earl]

willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) writes:

> In article
> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>> > What is the best source of protein?
>> >
>> > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>> >
>> > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>>
>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> There is no 'ideal' protein
>
>>Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
>>refined (denatured) proteins.
>
> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some
> benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need to
> keep repeating that over and over?

Apparently you do. Just so you know I certainly appreciate it.
I simply read the dingbat post and respond to it in my head,
and then read your response to see how well I did.

It's like a self-grading protein quiz.

Jason

[Omelet]

In article <5b3gjcF2r33vgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)
>
> I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic"
> capsules and all they ever did was give me an upset stomach,
> but lately I've been getting some live, ethnic-type yogurt
> almost every day and I like it. I couldn't quantify what
> it's done for me except that I feel better - a bit more
> energy, a bit less sleepy in the evenings, and I think a bit
> less hungry overall as well.

The fascinating thing about humans is how everybody's
body chemistry varies. I'm glad you found something that
worked for you.

Me?

I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy
products. Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited
quantities:

http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553

I can get it at more than one local health food store and I
can't help but think that a balanced mix of probiotic critters
is better than just Lactobacillus acidophilus.

>
> This is the stuff I have mostly:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Fage-Total-Plain-Yoghurt-18/dp/B0-
> 0032K91A

Looks good, but I've never seen it here.

>
> although we just buy it in the store, not through amazon.com
> - either that or some Greek yogurt from Trader Joe's. The
> former tastes great with maple syrup added, and in the
> latter honey and walnuts, which is the way we had it when we
> were in Greece.
>
> -S- http://www.kbnj.com
--
Peace, Om

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-- Jack Nicholson

[Steve Frei]

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:omp_omelet-C46EFD.12201017052007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <5b3gjcF2r33vgU1@mid.individual.net>, "Steve
> Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > Symbiotic bacteria are a good thing. :-)
>>
>> I tried, several times over the years, to take "probiotic"
>> capsules and all they ever did was give me an upset
>> stomach, but lately I've been getting some live,
>> ethnic-type yogurt almost every day and I like it. I
>> couldn't quantify what it's done for me except that I feel
>> better - a bit more energy, a bit less sleepy in the
>> evenings, and I think a bit less hungry overall as well.
>
> The fascinating thing about humans is how everybody's body
> chemistry varies. I'm glad you found something that worked
> for you.
>
> Me?
>
> I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy
> products.

I may well be addicated to dairy products. :) I'm fond of
eating fresh mozarella cheese all by itself - who needs the
bread and tomatoe sauce, anyway?

> Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited quantities:
>
> http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553
>
> I can get it at more than one local health food store and I
> can't help but think that a balanced mix of probiotic
> critters is better than just Lactobacillus acidophilus.

-snip-

I guess the question is whether a mix from a pill is better
than whatever's in some real food. My "solution" is to keep
trying different brands of yogurts. I think, these days, at
least some manufacturers attempt to get a few different good
bugs running around in their yogurts. Kefir seems to get good
press - will have to try some of that sometime soon.

-S- http://www.kbnj.com

[farmer]

> Is protein all the same?

"No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect."

Then you didn't read the article, the proper comparison is not
protein to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein
products. They are different but "better" depends on what
measure of what one uses for what goal. He goes into
considerable detail on the topic.

[Will Brink]

In article
<464c607c$0$5021$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu>,
farmer@barnyard.com wrote:

> > Is protein all the same?
>
> "No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect."
>
> Then you didn't read the article,

I dont have to. I know more about the topic than the author
ever will and have written and published more on the topic
than the author ever will.

> the proper comparison is not protein to protein but isolate
> to isolate of the protein products.

That makes no sense and exposes the ignorance of the person
who said it (you?).

> They are different but "better" depends on what measure of
> what one uses for what goal.

Pretty much any goal you can name, whey is superior, unless
your goal is to get phyto estrogens into your diet, which is
fine, if that's what you want. I am not an anti soy zealot but
facts is facts.

> He goes into considerable detail on the topic.

Most of which are all wrong ad it's clear the author
sells soy.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Hard Bop D]

Who cares what "he" goes into? It is apparent that "he" sells
Soy protein. Post your fucking name.

--
Robert Schuh "Everything that elevates an individual above the
herd and intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil;
and the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality, the
mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

<farmer@barnyard.com> wrote in message
news:464c607c$0$5021$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu...
>> Is protein all the same?
>
> "No. Soy is inferior to whey in almsot every respect."
>
> Then you didn't read the article, the proper comparison is
> not protein to protein but isolate to isolate of the protein
> products. They are different but "better" depends on what
> measure of what one uses for what goal. He goes into
> considerable detail on the topic.

[Omelet]

In article
<1179434091.186089.264310@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Ron
Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> > What is the best source of protein?
>
> It's a complicated issue because there are several essential
> amino acids (EAA) which occur in different ratios in protein
> sources.
>
> It may pay to have a mixture of proteins to get a better EAA
> balance.
>
> See
> http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/MEETING/004/M2835E/M2835E00.HTM
>
> --
> Ron

Beef!

It's what's for dinner. ;-d

Hunka cow grilled: http://tinypic.com/2qw3589.jpg

Hunka cow sliced: http://tinypic.com/4g7csi0.jpg
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

[Omelet]

In article
<1179431247.202445.263070@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
cleanskin@itspuresoap.com wrote:

> soy also contains phytoestrogens and high levels of phytic
> acid. Phytic acid will prevent minerals from being absorbed.
> Please don't eat soy. Unless it is fermented. And even then
> only in small amounts.

What?

No marinated tofu in my stir fry's or egg drop soups?

Perish the thought. ;-)
--
Peace, Om

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[Omelet]

In article <khobman800-A5FCC9.14445317052007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.s-
upernews.net>, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <willbrink-1705071510370001@192.168.2.156>,
> willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> > > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon
> > > > mean? What is the best source of protein?
> > > >
> > > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> > > >
> > > > http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
> > >
> > > Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
> >
> > There is no 'ideal' protein
>
>
> I dunno. I consider a good, thick "Q'ed" t-bone of local
> angus beef darn near ideal.
>
> :^)

Seconded, but IMHO Rib-eye is a better cut. <G>

Rare.
--
Peace, Om

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[Hard Bop D]

<tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cj23i.20999$YL5.6439@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Will Brink wrote:
>> In article
>> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>>>> What is the best source of protein?
>>>>
>>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>>>
>>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
>> There is no 'ideal' protein
>>
>>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
>>> refined (denatured) proteins.
>>
>> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers some
>> benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I need
>> to keep repeating that over and over?
>>
> Soy makes people gay
>
> http://www.iamahomophobicbigot.com

Are you proud of your bigotry??

--
Robert Schuh "Everything that elevates an individual above the
herd and intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil;
and the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality, the
mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

[Omelet]

In article <5b3mpgF2rds08U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> >
> > I just take PB-8 and skip the Lactose sugars in most dairy
> > products.
>
> I may well be addicated to dairy products. :) I'm fond of
> eating fresh mozarella cheese all by itself - who needs the
> bread and tomatoe sauce, anyway?

Cheese heads string cheese rulz. ;-) Cheese is one thing I
really like and try to limit my intake. It's especially good
melted over steamed veggies.

>
> > Granted, I adore cheese, but I use it in limited
> > quantities:
> >
> > http://www.sweetmedicineessentials.com/product/216553
> >
> > I can get it at more than one local health food store and
> > I can't help but think that a balanced mix of probiotic
> > critters is better than just Lactobacillus acidophilus.
>
> -snip-
>
> I guess the question is whether a mix from a pill is better
> than whatever's in some real food. My "solution" is to keep
> trying different brands of yogurts. I think, these days, at
> least some manufacturers attempt to get a few different good
> bugs running around in their yogurts. Kefir seems to get
> good press - will have to try some of that sometime soon.
>
> -S-

Seems that different manufacturers do use different strains so
by switching around, you are getting a more balanced flora, or
so I'd think?
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

[Doug Freyb]

willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
> Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>
> > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> > > What is the best source of protein?
>
> > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> > Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> There is no 'ideal' protein

You missed the old advertising campaign "Eggs - Nature's most
nearly perfect food"

[Will Brink]

In article
<1179512102.318190.202340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Doug
Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:

> willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
> > Tunderbar <tdcom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon
> > > > mean? What is the best source of protein?
> >
> > > > Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> >
> > > Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
> >
> > There is no 'ideal' protein
>
> You missed the old advertising campaign "Eggs - Nature's
> most nearly perfect food"

I didn't miss it actually. Didn't miss the "pork, the new
white meat" campaign either, but that don't make it right :-)

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Omelet]

In article <1Za3i.304220$115.269415@newsfe10.phx>,
"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:

> <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:cj23i.20999$YL5.6439@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> > Will Brink wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> >>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
> >>>> What is the best source of protein?
> >>>>
> >>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
> >>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
> >> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=533-
> >> 27 There is no 'ideal' protein
> >>
> >>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
> >>> refined (denatured) proteins.
> >>
> >> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers
> >> some benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I
> >> need to keep repeating that over and over?
> >>
> > Soy makes people gay
> >
> > http://www.iamahomophobicbigot.com
>
> Are you proud of your bigotry??

Assholes like him have only one mission in life. Looking for a
place to shit.
--
Peace, Om

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[Tootal2@Sb]

Hard Bop Drums wrote:
> <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:cj23i.20999$YL5.6439@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Will Brink wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>>>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>>>>> What is the best source of protein?
>>>>>
>>>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>>>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
>>> There is no 'ideal' protein
>>>
>>>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
>>>> refined (denatured) proteins.
>>> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers
>>> some benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I
>>> need to keep repeating that over and over?
>>>
>> Soy makes people gay
>>
>> http://www.iamahomophobicbigot.com
>
> Are you proud of your bigotry??
>
>
>
>
Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in it. also
soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with low thyroid wont
eat anything with soy.

[Omelet]

In article <huk3i.3085$y_7.354@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
"tootal2@sbcglobal.net" <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hard Bop Drums wrote:
> > <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:cj23i.20999$YL5.6439@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >> Will Brink wrote:
> >>> In article <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.google-
> >>> groups.com>, Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> >>>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon
> >>>>> mean? What is the best source of protein?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
> >>>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
> >>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53-
> >>> 327 There is no 'ideal' protein
> >>>
> >>>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
> >>>> refined (denatured) proteins.
> >>> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers
> >>> some benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do
> >>> I need to keep repeating that over and over?
> >>>
> >> Soy makes people gay
> >>
> >> http://www.iamahomophobicbigot.com
> >
> > Are you proud of your bigotry??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in it.
> also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with low
> thyroid wont eat anything with soy.

I do.
--
Peace, Om

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[Hard Bop D]

tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:huk3i.3085$y_7.354@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Hard Bop Drums wrote:
>> <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:cj23i.20999$YL5.6439@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Will Brink wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <1179416388.062477.192920@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On May 16, 7:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
>>>>>> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean?
>>>>>> What is the best source of protein?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm
>>>>> Neither is ideal by any stretch of the imagination.
>>>> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=533-
>>>> 27 There is no 'ideal' protein
>>>>
>>>>> Eat proteins from real whole foods, not processed and
>>>>> refined (denatured) proteins.
>>>> Whey is not denatured if produced correctly and offers
>>>> some benefits that can't be had with other proteins. Do I
>>>> need to keep repeating that over and over?
>>>>
>>> Soy makes people gay
>>>
>>> http://www.iamahomophobicbigot.com
>>
>> Are you proud of your bigotry??
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in it.
> also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with low
> thyroid wont eat anything with soy.
>
>

Sorry asshole, but you are a bigot. If your contention had to
do with Estrogen, then address the Estrogen issue, not some
sophomoric comment about soy making people gay. Then again,
you are just another anonymous pussy with no real knowledge
nor integrity.

--
Robert Schuh "Everything that elevates an individual above the
herd and intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil;
and the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality, the
mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

[Will Brink]

In article <huk3i.3085$y_7.354@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
"tootal2@sbcglobal.net" <tootal2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Im not a bigot.

OK, you're just ignorant.

> It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in it.

What does that have to do with being gay? Guess what, gay men
tend to have higher testosterone levels than hetero men:

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/1/82

Some recent studies have found soy lowers T. Should we
conclude it makes gay men hetero?

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Will Brink]

In article
<omp_omelet-D6D162.13565718052007@news.giganews.com>, Omelet
<omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >
> > Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in it.
> > also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with low
> > thyroid wont eat anything with soy.
>
> I do.

But you're gay, so he must be right!

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Omelet]

In article <willbrink-1805071734540001@192.168.2.156>,
willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> In article
> <omp_omelet-D6D162.13565718052007@news.giganews.com>, Omelet
> <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > >
> > > Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in
> > > it. also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with
> > > low thyroid wont eat anything with soy.
> >
> > I do.
>
> But you're gay, so he must be right!

That's news to me... ;-)
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

[Will Brink]

In article
<omp_omelet-A4FF65.20482918052007@news.giganews.com>, Omelet
<omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <willbrink-1805071734540001@192.168.2.156>,
> willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <omp_omelet-D6D162.13565718052007@news.giganews.com>,
> > Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen in
> > > > it. also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people with
> > > > low thyroid wont eat anything with soy.
> > >
> > > I do.
> >
> > But you're gay, so he must be right!
>
> That's news to me... ;-)

Must be pretty cramped in that closet :-)

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

[Omelet]

In article <willbrink-1905070851560001@192.168.2.156>,
willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> In article
> <omp_omelet-A4FF65.20482918052007@news.giganews.com>, Omelet
> <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <willbrink-1805071734540001@192.168.2.156>,
> > willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <omp_omelet-D6D162.13565718052007@news.giganews.com>,
> > > Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Im not a bigot. It is a fact that soy has Estrogen
> > > > > in it. also soy slows down your thyroid. Most people
> > > > > with low thyroid wont eat anything with soy.
> > > >
> > > > I do.
> > >
> > > But you're gay, so he must be right!
> >
> > That's news to me... ;-)
>
> Must be pretty cramped in that closet :-)

Especially with your man boobs poking me...

<smirk>
--
Peace, Om

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[Bob M]

Do not forget the fact that the soluble whey proteins are the
allergenic component in dairy products. It is also interesting
that cheese has a relatively low level of these allergenic
proteins. With the increasing use of the soluble whey proteins
in food formulations I think we can expect a very significant
increase in food allergys.

Bob M

On May 17, 12:45 pm, far...@barnyard.com wrote:
> Is protein all the same? What does all the jargon mean? What
> is the best source of protein?
>
> Whey vs. Soy -- You've Been Tricked
>
> http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm