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waywardsis
Wed, May-09-07, 17:54
http://www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=vegan_tragedy

It is a very sad story.

On May 2, 2007, an Atlanta judge sentenced a vegan couple to life in prison (the mandatory sentence) after the death of their baby by starvation. The baby's diet, according to the Associated Press, consisted largely of soy milk and apple juice. He weighed 3 1/2 pounds - half the size of many newborns - when he died at six weeks old.

My heart goes out to the parents, who said they did their best. But the information they had was wrong. A vegan diet is simply not good enough for babies.

A baby fed soy milk and apple juice would have multiple deficiencies. He would lack vitamin B12, vitamins A and D, complete protein, quality fats (saturated and unsaturated), beneficial bacteria, and vital immune and growth factors found in breast milk. The saturated fat lauric acid (found almost exclusively in breast milk and coconut oil) is vital to prevent infections. Polyunsaturated omega-3 fats make up the baby's brain, and probably have something to do with why breast-fed babies are less likely to be obese and diabetic. The baby also needs to consume cholesterol (found only in animal foods) to build nerve cells. Thus breast milk is rich in cholesterol.

Those are merely the deficiencies of a soy-and-juice diet. Soy also inhibits growth (via its effects on the thyroid), which might explain why the baby couldn't gain weight and contains antinutrients, which reduce the absorption of protein and minerals. No baby should drink fruit juice (and no toddler should be drinking it in any more than very small quantities) which is a simple carbohydrate lacking vital fats, protein, vitamins, and fiber. The risks of juice include displacement of more nutrient-dense foods, tooth decay, and weight trouble.

If your child is weaned, cow milk (sans hormones) is far superior to any juice, even fresh and homemade. Make it whole milk, ideally grass-fed and raw if you can get it from a reliable dairy farmer. Children who drink whole milk (rather than skim) have fewer gastrointestinal infections because butterfat contains anti-viral fats called glycophospholipids.

We do not know whether the mother attempted to breast feed. Insufficient milk is common in vegan mothers, and vegan breast milk is known to be deficient in DHA, which comes from fish oil. The immature infant brain needs huge quantities of fish oil to develop properly. Your brain is an astonishing 60% fat, and half of the fat is DHA. A vegan mother is often herself deficient in omega-3 fats. If her diet does not include these fats, her own body and brain will be further depleted with each pregnancy and with each nursing baby, putting the mother at risk of post-natal depression.

It may be that an adult - if well nourished in utero, breast-fed by a well-nourished mother, and well-fed during infancy, childhood, and adolescence - can be relatively healthy, at least temporarily, on a vegan diet. But I would not risk it. There are substantial risks to the vegan individual himself, and it is difficult to get pregnant, sustain a healthy pregnancy, and to have sufficient and nutritious breast milk on a vegan diet.

A vegan diet is not a fertility diet for men or women. It is not a diet for babies, children, or teens. That is why the vegan diet is an aberration in human dietary history. There are traditional vegetarian cuisines - in southeast Asia, for example, and the Indian subcontinent. Without exception, they include butter and eggs, for the all-important complete (animal) protein, vitamin B12, and vitamins A and D, which are found fully formed only in animal foods.

The omnivore has only one real dilemma: which of the many good foods our bodies are designed to eat - game, fish, fowl, eggs, butter, milk, cheese, fruit and vegetables, nuts - to have for dinner tonight.

All Creatures Great and Small is very much the theme of the human diet.

Best wishes, Nina
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ysabella
Wed, May-09-07, 17:59
Also, soy milk contains oligosaccharides and apple juice contains sorbitol. Both of these are hard for adults to digest (they make people gassy), so I can't imagine that a newborn can handle them.

While I do think the parents genuinely weren't trying to hurt the child, some of their ignorance is willful in my opinion. Avoiding doctors and everything...they really bought in to a line of rubbish, and they'll be paying for it forever.

Very sad story. :(

LilithD
Wed, May-09-07, 23:49
This story doesn't make me just sad but also very angry. At the parents, who should have informed themselves better; at their doctor/s who should have advised them better; at the vegan-diet-pushers who insist that veganism is a valid option.

"It may be that an adult - if well nourished in utero, breast-fed by a well-nourished mother, and well-fed during infancy, childhood, and adolescence - can be relatively healthy, at least temporarily, on a vegan diet."
This is an important point. Often, people starting out on veganism will feel quite good for a while, probably because they have made some positive changes in their diet (less junk food, more fruit and veges).

I remember as a naive 18 year old telling my Dr that I was considering veganism. He was great: "OK, sure. Just be aware that you'll need Vitamin B12 shots regularly, because otherwise you'll develop a dangerous deficiency." I immediately realised that something so unnatural as needing injections could not be a healthy and natural WOE and dropped the idea.

tmatrocks
Thu, May-10-07, 00:13
Makes me want to check out Nina's book "Real Food" - has anyone here checked it out?

kyrasdad
Thu, May-10-07, 06:19
They couldn't see what was in front of them because they were practicing more of a religion than they were a nutritional philosophy. Very sad for the baby.

ElisaB
Thu, May-10-07, 06:39
Personally, it makes me wonder why the heck she wasn't nursing. I just don't see how someone could be a vegan and yet not nurse their baby. Most vegans are very much into the alternative health lifestyle and attachment parenting. Something really doesn't make sense.

And if she coulnd't nurse and had to give the baby formula, how come she chose soy milk and not soy formula? To save money? Again, something doesn't make sense. And now a baby is dead. I think they deserve prison.:mad:

lizzyLC
Thu, May-10-07, 07:05
Poor little thing.

tie_guy
Thu, May-10-07, 07:30
Well they may not have been nursing because not everyone CAN nurse. As for not seeing what is right in front of them. I can see that if it is your first child you might not know how much weight they should gain or how they should act. When I had my first child (and then my second -- who was my first not to be premature) everything that was happening was all new to me. And then we had to bottle feed because my wife couldn't nurse (although she tried for a while.)

CindySue48
Thu, May-10-07, 07:33
Makes me want to check out Nina's book "Real Food" - has anyone here checked it out?I checked it out from the library recently and highly recommend it.

Abd
Thu, May-10-07, 07:43
My opinion is that a fully vegetarian diet is possible beyond infancy, though we suspect that it is less than optimal. However, the food designed for infants is human milk, for lots of reasons.

If human milk is not available, then infant formula is a poor substitute, but far better than soy milk by itself. Formula itself is generally made with soy, but it has been heavily supplemented to make it more fully nutritious than soy milk alone.

A mother, I believe, who is on a strict vegan diet, but one which is carefully chosen to make it as complete as possible, should be able to produce enough milk for her baby. But I suspect that what happened here was that the mother either did not have a good enough diet, or, for other reasons, was unable to breast feed, and so they substituted, or started to supplement, with soy milk. And when you substitute for breast milk, milk production goes down.

In a connected community, there would have been lots of relatives and friends to advise this couple. Even if it were a vegan community -- actually, especially if it were a vegan community -- there would be people who would know how to pull it off. To survive as humans requires community, we do not come "out of the box" knowing how to do all these things. The bare minimum, yes, but if this couple had been sticking to instinct, they would not have been on a vegan diet!

Humans are clearly adapted to be omnivores. We can survive in areas where there is no meat, and in areas where there is no grain or other starch. But you have to know how to do it.

The explorer who volunteered to test, early in the last century, the Inuit diet, started out eating mostly muscle meats. He got sick, and, if they had not realized the mistake they were making, he might have died. The Inuit eat just about everything from the animals, not just the muscle meat, they eat what we routinely throw away as offal. You have to know how to do it!

In the Asian communities often cited as places where people are allegedly very healthy on low-fat high-carb diets, grain-based, they, first of all, get as much fat as they can when they can -- the special treat our local Sushi chef always prepared and gave us when he was a bit drunk -- was a piece of yellowtail that is *very* fatty, as I recall, the name was Hamachi Kama.

And, of course, some of these communities value butter and milk.

ojoj
Thu, May-10-07, 07:49
I dont understand in this day and age how they slipped though the net of medical and social "policing". did nobody notice? did nobody help? offer advise? monitor? With so much controversy about weight and health issues how did this happen? I'm sure this didnt happen overnight?

jschwab
Thu, May-10-07, 08:10
I dont understand in this day and age how they slipped though the net of medical and social "policing". did nobody notice? did nobody help? offer advise? monitor? With so much controversy about weight and health issues how did this happen? I'm sure this didnt happen overnight?

It is actually very easy for this to happen. I had no milk -well, OK, I produced about 30cc a day (that's an ounce). My baby lost 20% of her body weight, 10 % points over the limit for supplementing, but my doctor told me to keep pumping and nursing. I was nursing round the clock. My mother is a lactation consultant and she was staying with us after the birth. Although she was concerned she was not alarmed. I finally toodled to the hospital for blood tests (just as a precaution) and my child could not even register on the glucose tester. The doctor thought she looked "perfect". Six hours later she was in intensive care on oxygen with teams of doctors workibng on her poor little self, narrowly having missed death or stroke leading to brain damage. They said they had never seen a baby that sick survive and, yet, she looked "perfect". These people were reading about homemade formula and making it up as they went along. Soy is bad - my doctor (after the crisis in the hospital) insisted on soy formula. Luckily, we wised up and switched to milk-based formula at four months. Doctors are so abusive to pregnant and nursing women that they often avoid them. I have known several cases of defiant mothers who ended up starving their children in the name of god knows what - middle class, educated and all. It is common to exclusively breastfeed for one year even if the baby wants regular food - this is based on a WHO study that it is better for babies to exclusively breastfeed if food contamination issues and cholera are a threat to survival that has been extrapolated to mean that it is the ideal. Soccer moms all over the country are destroying their children's natural appetites, supplementing with iron drops and ignoring their doctors. And no one would ever know. We almost turned friends into CPS becaue they would only feed at night (baby wouldn't take daytime bottles and the mother worked).

Janine

jschwab
Thu, May-10-07, 08:11
Makes me want to check out Nina's book "Real Food" - has anyone here checked it out?

My husband and I stayed up last night reading it. It's fantastic, especially as a reference book on the various problems and remedies for finding real food.

Janine

jedswife
Thu, May-10-07, 13:36
i am afraid that this makes me believe going vegan is a tragedy and very unhealthy.

JandLsMom
Sun, Jun-17-07, 05:39
this isnt about veganism but about stupidity...if they were feeding the baby soy FORMULA instead of soy MILK..the baby would have been fine..duh...and also..who in the world would give a NEWBORN juice...hello???

JandLsMom
Sun, Jun-17-07, 05:43
and another thing...how in the world did it get to the point of a 6 wk old weighing only 3 1/2 lbs before SOMEONE noticed!! and how did the parents NOT NOTICE this baby was LOSING weight rather than gaining????

jschwab
Mon, Jun-18-07, 09:37
this isnt about veganism but about stupidity...if they were feeding the baby soy FORMULA instead of soy MILK..the baby would have been fine..duh...and also..who in the world would give a NEWBORN juice...hello???

Soy formula contains beef fat, hence it is considered worse than milk formula. That was surely their rationale.

Janine