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Prisoner A
Wed, May-09-07, 17:15
Sigh! ^_^

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html?em&ex=117-
8856000&en=271d386f02040361&ei=5087%0A

EXCERPTS

Every time the result was the same. The weight, so
painstakingly lost, came right back. But since this was a
research study, the investigators were also measuring
metabolic changes, psychiatric conditions, body temperature
and pulse. And that led them to a surprising conclusion: fat
people who lost large amounts of weight might look like
someone who was never fat, but they were very different. In
fact, by every metabolic measurement, they seemed like people
who were starving.

...

The Rockefeller researchers explained their observations in
one of their papers: "It is entirely possible that weight
reduction, instead of resulting in a normal state for obese
patients, results in an abnormal state resembling that of
starved nonobese individuals."

Eventually, more than 50 people lived at the hospital and lost
weight, and every one had physical and psychological signs of
starvation. There were a very few who did not get fat again,
but they made staying thin their life's work, becoming Weight
Watchers lecturers, for example, and, always, counting
calories and maintaining themselves in a permanent state of
starvation.

...

The implications were clear. There is a reason that fat
people cannot stay thin after they diet and that thin people
cannot stay fat when they force themselves to gain weight.
The body's metabolism speeds up or slows down to keep weight
within a narrow range. Gain weight and the metabolism can as
much as double; lose weight and it can slow to half its
original speed.

...

The message never really got out to the nation's dieters, but
a few research scientists were intrigued and asked the next
question about body weight: Is body weight inherited, or is
obesity more of an inadvertent, almost unconscious response to
a society where food is cheap, abundant and tempting? An extra
100 calories a day will pile on 10 pounds in a year, public
health messages often say. In five years, that is 50 pounds.

...

Dr. Stunkard ended up with 540 adults whose average age was
40. They had been adopted when they were very young - 55
percent had been adopted in the first month of life and 90
percent were adopted in the first year of life. His
conclusions, published in The New England Journal of
Medicine in 1986, were unequivocal. The adoptees were as
fat as their biological parents, and how fat they were had
no relation to how fat their adoptive parents were.

Xxxxgizzie
Thu, May-10-07, 06:15
"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Dr. Stunkard ended up with 540 adults whose average age was
> 40. They had been adopted when they were very young - 55
> percent had been adopted in the first month of life and
> 90 percent were adopted in the first year of life. His
> conclusions, published in The New England Journal of
> Medicine in 1986, were unequivocal. The adoptees were as
> fat as their biological parents, and how fat they were
> had no relation to how fat their adoptive parents were.

Over the years, I've seen many shows with "seperated at
birth" twins, and iun every single case, when reunited as
adults, both were either "thin", "normal" or "fat". Nature,
not nurture.

--
XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX

Bully
Thu, May-10-07, 06:15
In news:B6OdnZM6QJn0Hd_bnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d@comcast.com,
XXXXgizzieXXXX <xxgizziexx@comcast.net> typed:
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>> Dr. Stunkard ended up with 540 adults whose average age was
>> 40. They had been adopted when they were very young -
>> 55 percent had been adopted in the first month of life
>> and 90 percent were adopted in the first year of life.
>> His conclusions, published in The New England Journal
>> of Medicine in 1986, were unequivocal. The adoptees
>> were as fat as their biological parents, and how fat
>> they were had no relation to how fat their adoptive
>> parents were.
>
> Over the years, I've seen many shows

How many shows?

> with "seperated at birth" twins, and iun every single case,
> when reunited as adults, both were either "thin", "normal"
> or "fat". Nature, not nurture.

--
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an
optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir
Winston Churchill

Tachygloss
Fri, May-11-07, 06:15
"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:5afsefF2oqm7oU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:B6OdnZM6QJn0Hd_bnZ2dnUVZ_rSjnZ2d@comcast.com,
> XXXXgizzieXXXX <xxgizziexx@comcast.net> typed:
>> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> message
>>> Dr. Stunkard ended up with 540 adults whose average age
>>> was 40. They had been adopted when they were very
>>> young - 55 percent had been adopted in the first month
>>> of life and 90 percent were adopted in the first year
>>> of life. His conclusions, published in The New England
>>> Journal of Medicine in 1986, were unequivocal. The
>>> adoptees were as fat as their biological parents, and
>>> how fat they were had no relation to how fat their
>>> adoptive parents were.
>>
>> Over the years, I've seen many shows
>
> How many shows?
>
>> with "seperated at birth" twins, and iun every single case,
>> when reunited as adults, both were either "thin", "normal"
>> or "fat". Nature, not nurture.

I saw a TV programme a while back in which some identical
twins were of very different weights -- and where one of each
pair had antibodies to the 'fat virus', and the other didn't.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/854584.stm

T.