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Demi
Mon, Apr-30-07, 03:49
The Telegraph

Hewitt: NHS ban on fat people legitimate

Patricia Hewitt, the Health Secretary, said yesterday that it was "perfectly legitimate" for NHS trusts to refuse some treatments to heavy smokers or patients who are obese.

Miss Hewitt defended the right of doctors and managers to draw up local guidelines on treatment after a survey revealed that some trusts are already banning operations.

The survey found that nine primary care trusts, the bodies which run GP surgeries and pay for hospital treatments, are refusing to give joint replacements to patients who are seriously overweight.

At least four trusts have stopped orthopaedic surgery for smokers, according to the research for Sky News. It said the trusts involved provide care for around six million people.

The survey emerged as Tony Blair prepares to deliver a major speech in London today in which he will declare that Labour has transformed the NHS over the last decade.

Asked about withholding treatment from some patients, Miss Hewitt said yesterday: "Primary care trusts are absolutely entitled to get together with their doctors on any particular area of clinical judgment and say 'these are the guidelines... for this particular kind of treatment'.

"Those decisions are being made by individual doctors all over the country. In a few places doctors have come together collectively through the trusts to put in place guidelines for all of their patients.

"This isn't a matter for managers or indeed Government ministers to decide who gets what operation - it's a matter for doctors and always has been. The NHS will treat you with help to stop smoking if the doctor's advice is that you shouldn't have the operation until you've stopped smoking.

"That is a perfectly legitimate clinical decision. I support doctors making clinical decisions in the interests of their patients.''

Miss Hewitt's comments come amid growing calls for the NHS to take a tougher line on heavy smokers and the seriously overweight. Last summer, a survey found that two in five hospital doctors believed that smokers should pay for bypass operations.

But Andrew Lansley, the Tory health spokesman, said: "Trusts shouldn't have a policy which excludes people from treatment because they either smoke or are overweight, because treatments should be based on clinical needs."

Norman Lamb, for the Liberal Democrats, said: "Patricia Hewitt is being misleading about the real cause of many of these decisions. Often they are made not because of clinical judgment as should be the case, but due to financial pressure."

Trusts saying no

Trusts denying surgery to obese patients: North Staffs, Stoke, Lincs, North Lincs, Milton Keynes, Hereford, West Hertfordshire, East and North Hertfordshire, Suffolk.

Trusts denying orthopaedic surgery to smokers: North Staffs, Lincs, North Lincs, Milton Keynes.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=RKXEAXYLSQ1MXQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/04/30/nban30.xml

LondonIan
Mon, Apr-30-07, 04:50
And Patricia Hewitt's email address is hewittph~parliament.uk

:)

CVH
Mon, Apr-30-07, 04:52
Now if we follow suit and refuse to treat illegal immigrants and refuse to give free health care to people who fail *harmful* drug tests, we'd be all set :D

If however they choose to smoke or continue being overweight/unhealthy etc.... they have the right to do so and we have a right to not carry other's weight, literally.

But they can do that by paying with their own money, not mine as far as I'm concerned.

LOL, quick google search

"Comical Patti" :D

http://www.dougweb.org/images/blog/hewitt_bd.jpg

Whoa182
Mon, Apr-30-07, 09:18
Good idea :)

Obesity is going to bankrupt the *free* NHS.

ReginaW
Mon, Apr-30-07, 13:17
Good idea :)

Obesity is going to bankrupt the *free* NHS.

Free?

Every working person - thin or fat - in the UK pays 11% tax on wages up to L670 and an additional 1% on anything over L670 just for their healthcare (that's before other income taxes and VAT on purchases)...hardly free....if they're going to deny access to healthcare because someone is obese, are they going to stop taking that money from the obese?

LondonIan
Mon, Apr-30-07, 15:54
Every working person - thin or fat - in the UK pays 11% tax on wages up to L670 and an additional 1% on anything over L670 just for their healthcareActually, no. You are confusing National Insurance with NHS funding. There is a move to make a separate and identifiable NHS tax, but we don't have that at the moment.

Theoretically NI used to cover the benefits systems. In fact now it simply goes into the general tax pot, none of it is ring fenced.:

National insurance, or NI as it is often called, is a form of tax which everyone in work must pay in order to qualify for benefits, including the old age pension. By paying Class 1 contributions (which applies to people who are employed) you are entitled to incapacity benefit, jobseeker's allowance, maternity allowance, retirement pension and widows pension

The cost of the NHS is about £96 billion p.a. (about $192 billion) for that we get a 'free at point of delivery' service at about 9% of GDP.

I understand that the US cost for healthcare is over $2 trillion and over 15.5% of GDP .

About 45% of that is taken from tax revenue.

So, in the UK we pay 9% of GDP in tax for a free health service and in the US you pay 7.5% of GDP in tax for...something else.

Yet, "medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States." ('Illness And Injury As Contributors To Bankruptcy', Himmelstein, Warren, Thorne, and Woolhandler, Health Affairs Journal 2005)

So I think we are getting pretty good value for our money.