About strength training

[Mm]

Okay, I got a bench and some dumbells. Bought all new. Bench
doesn't take weight plates but I really like it. I guess I
will get the jump rope ..to warm up..

If I come across a recumbent bike I like, or an ellpitical I
might buy it but the kind of stuff I like are too expensive
and so ..I'll probably setrle for stationary bike. It'll be a
while anyway.

My plan at the moment is to try establishing a routine to do
strength training (and toning) at home and use my membership
at the gym for cardio using the machines I love. I wan tto
slowly reduce going to the gym execpt when I feel like it and
eventually stop my membership.

I want to make sure that I strengthen *all* minor muscle
groups (stabilisers?) as well. And neck muscle too.

So for strengh training, I should not go to higher weigth but
do more rep, right? Any tip on establishing a routine at home?
I want to do upper body one day and lower body the next day.
How many days in week should I do this? I don't mind 6 days a
week at this stage ..to get a routine established.

[Sir Jacker]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, mm wrote:

> Okay, I got a bench and some dumbells. Bought all new. Bench
> doesn't take weight plates but I really like it. I guess I
> will get the jump rope ..to warm up..
>
> If I come across a recumbent bike I like, or an ellpitical I
> might buy it but the kind of stuff I like are too expensive
> and so ..I'll probably setrle for stationary bike. It'll be
> a while anyway.
>
> My plan at the moment is to try establishing a routine to do
> strength training (and toning) at home and use my membership
> at the gym for cardio using the machines I love. I wan tto
> slowly reduce going to the gym execpt when I feel like it
> and eventually stop my membership.
>
> I want to make sure that I strengthen *all* minor muscle
> groups (stabilisers?) as well. And neck muscle too.
>
> So for strengh training, I should not go to higher weigth
> but do more rep, right? Any tip on establishing a routine at
> home? I want to do upper body one day and lower body the
> next day. How many days in week should I do this? I don't
> mind 6 days a week at this stage ..to get a routine
> established.

Strength training = lower reps + more weight. Hypertrophic
training = higher reps + less weight. I would decide what kind
of split (if any) you want to do and figure out how much rest
you need by feeling yourself out.

--Sir Jackery

[Tom Anders]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, mm wrote:

> Okay, I got a bench and some dumbells. Bought all new. Bench
> doesn't take weight plates but I really like it. I guess I
> will get the jump rope ..to warm up..

Ha!

> If I come across a recumbent bike I like, or an ellpitical I
> might buy it but the kind of stuff I like are too expensive
> and so ..I'll probably setrle for stationary bike.

No, a real bike and a static trainer! Then, when you overcome
your fear of rapists, you can take it out on the roads, too.

Hey! Maybe you should buy a gun.

> I want to make sure that I strengthen *all* minor muscle
> groups (stabilisers?) as well.

Compound exercises with free weights will do this. In fact,
they are the only way to do this.

> And neck muscle too.

Hmm. Trickier. I have seen helmets fitted with spikes that you
can fit plates to for this, but that's kind of mental. Andrzej
will probably have some bright idea here.

> So for strengh training, I should not go to higher weigth
> but do more rep, right?

No. That has no bearing on your objectives. You should
certainly start with high-volume work, to get your body used
to the lifts, but you should be focusing on intermediate
volume, 2-3 sets of 8-12 reps.

> Any tip on establishing a routine at home? I want to do
> upper body one day and lower body the next day. How many
> days in week should I do this? I don't mind 6 days a week at
> this stage ..to get a routine established.

For a beginner, i think that's a good way to go. When you're
an olympian superman like some of the old guys here, lower
frequency is more appropriate, but not yet.

tom

--
pikachu in front if a tv shouting at the monkey jumping around
the screen-within-a-screen

[Sir Jacker]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>
>> Day D- lower body pull
>
> ?

I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body "pull"
muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction, hamstrings,
tibialis Anterior, etc.

--Sir Jackery

[Sir Jacker]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:

> In
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>
>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>
> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
> recommend for lower body pull?

Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"

--Sir Jackery

[Sir Jacker]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:

> In
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121146250.5610@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>
>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.-
>>> edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>>>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>>>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>>>
>>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
>>> recommend for lower body pull?
>>
>> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
>> movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"
>>
>> --Sir Jackery
>
> Agreed. So, what exercises do you recommend for lower
> body pull?

I wouldn't recommend any (-: I just group all my lower body in
one day. I do Squats, calf preses, deadlifts, hamstring curls,
and hip flexion. I have never actually heard of anyone doing a
lower body pull day. It seems like it would be a little
excessive to target all of those muscles individually.

--Sir Jackery

[Bully]

In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>
>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>
>> ?
>
> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.

Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
recommend for lower body pull?

--
Bully Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an
optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir
Winston Churchill

[Bully]

In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121146250.5610@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>
>> In
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
>> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>>
>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
>> recommend for lower body pull?
>
> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
> movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"
>
> --Sir Jackery

Agreed. So, what exercises do you recommend for lower
body pull?

--
Bully Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an
optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir
Winston Churchill

[Mm]

On Mar 12, 3:03 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jason Earl wrote:
> > "mm" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> >> On Mar 11, 2:59 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, mm wrote:
>
> >>>> If I come across a recumbent bike I like, or an
> >>>> ellpitical I might buy it but the kind of stuff I like
> >>>> are too expensive and so ..I'll probably setrle for
> >>>> stationary bike.
>
> >>> No, a real bike and a static trainer!
>
> >>> Then, when you overcome your fear of rapists, you can
> >>> take it out on the roads, too.
>
> >> I am not going to ride a bike in my beighborhood. I am
> >> not going far just to warm up muscle for weight work
>
> > Riding bicycles is fun.
>
> And useful.
>
> >>> Hey! Maybe you should buy a gun.
>
> >> I thought about it ..long time ago when I was moving away
> >> from school but the invader, if there ever is one, would
> >> probably get a hold of it and aim at me. My area is nice
> >> but I don't want to be seen. I don't want people know
> >> that there is a female living alone in a big house. And
> >> when I move to bay Area, I'll be ina an partment.
>
> > Posts like this make me glad that I am not female.
>
> It's not about being female. It's about letting irrational
> fear rule your life.

To you obviously. Did I tell you that that female lawyer was
living in top notch apartment building. One never knows what's
the mind of other people.

I do have nice neighbors on my block (a semi circle block) who
know that I live alone. The people on the next block except a
couple of people do not know and I am happy about that.

What you call fear is preventive measures to me. Btw, I did go
for a walk about theree times over a period of 6-9 mons in
this neighborhood. Only once was when I went alone. I don't
plan to go for a walk on the same route with the same time
routine. All it takes is once, to get messed up.

>
> >>>> I want to make sure that I strengthen *all* minor
> >>>> muscle groups (stabilisers?) as well.
>
> >>> Compound exercises with free weights will do this. In
> >>> fact, they are the only way to do this.
>
> >> Which ones are considered compund exercoses? I really
> >> don't know all the terms of types of exrcises.
>
> > Basically compound means that more than one joint is
> > involved.
>
> For more info, consult the invaluable ExRx.net's exercise
> directory:
>
> http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
>
> Which tells you whether each exercise is compound or
> isolation, and even what muscles it targets.
>
> tom
>
> --
> Sorry. Went a bit Atari Teenage Riot there. -- Andrew- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Sir Jacker]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:

> In
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121506230.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>
>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121146250.5610@pc20.cs.ucdavis.-
>>> edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavi-
>>>>> s.edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>>>>>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>>>>>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do
>>>>> you recommend for lower body pull?
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
>>>> movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"
>>>>
>>>> --Sir Jackery
>>>
>>> Agreed. So, what exercises do you recommend for lower
>>> body pull?
>>
>> I wouldn't recommend any (-:
>
>
> Ok, but weren't you advocating a lower body pull day?

If one wanted to do a 6 day on one day off weight training
regimen, I guess a lower body pull day would be a good idea.
I'm not sure though as I've never tried it (and won't). When I
used to do 6-on 1-off cycles I was cross-country mountain
biking and couldn't work out my lower body so I split torso
push and torso pull into 2 days each.

>
>> I just group all my lower body in one day. I do Squats,
>> calf preses, deadlifts, hamstring curls, and
>
> I've never figures how on earth anyone can do squats and
> deads on the same day. It's either/or for me.

It's funny you mention this because today was my lower body
day and I was thinking the same thing. I hadn't done deads in
a while and I loaded the bar up right after squats for the
deadlifts. I was still able to pump out a few reps of 405lbs
(which is pretty high for me) after a warmup of 225 and 2 sets
of 365x8. I have never done deads right after squats before
but when I was thinking about it at the gym I thought it would
have had more of a negative effect on the deads.

>
>> hip flexion.
>
> Isn't this a movement again? What exercise do you advocate?

By hip flexion I mean the group of muscles that control this
movement. I usually do leg raises or tie a cable to my feet
and pull at the hips.

--snip--

--Sir Jackery

[Pete]

"mm" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> schreef:

> I want to make sure that I strengthen *all* minor muscle
> groups (stabilisers?) as well. And neck muscle too.

Do the basic stuff. Multi-joint movements. Add a few
isolation, one joint, exercises.

> So for strengh training, I should not go to higher weigth
> but do more rep, right?

No.

> Any tip on establishing a routine at home? I want to do
> upper body one day and lower body the next day. How many
> days in week should I do this?

I would say 4. With 2 days of cardio.

>I don't mind 6 days a week at this stage ..to get a routine
>established.

Well like i said, 4 days for the weights, and 2 for cardio.

--
Pete

[Pete]

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:

> Strength training = lower reps + more weight. Hypertrophic
> training = higher reps + less weight.

I dont think so.

--
Pete

[Pete]

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:

>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
>> recommend for lower body pull?

> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning.

I think he does.

>These movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"

You are making the same mistake that others have made before.
When you train upper body, you can divide into push/pull.

You cant do that with the legs. Sure, there are leg curls, but
thats about
it. And the hams work together with the glutes, that are used
in pressing movements such as squats and leg presses.

--
Pete

[Bully]

In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121506230.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>
>> In
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121146250.5610@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
>> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis-
>>>> .edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>>>>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>>>>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do you
>>>> recommend for lower body pull?
>>>
>>> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
>>> movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"
>>>
>>> --Sir Jackery
>>
>> Agreed. So, what exercises do you recommend for lower
>> body pull?
>
> I wouldn't recommend any (-:

Ok, but weren't you advocating a lower body pull day?

> I just group all my lower body in one day. I do Squats, calf
> preses, deadlifts, hamstring curls, and

I've never figures how on earth anyone can do squats and deads
on the same day. It's either/or for me.

> hip flexion.

Isn't this a movement again? What exercise do you advocate?

> I have never actually heard of anyone doing a lower body
> pull day. It seems like it would be a little excessive to
> target all of those muscles individually.

--
Bully Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an
optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir
Winston Churchill

[Bully]

In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703122327250.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>
>> In
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121506230.4457@pc20.cs.ucdavis.edu,
>> Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>>
>>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703121146250.5610@pc20.cs.ucdavis-
>>>> .edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Bully wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703120944030.4457@pc20.cs.ucdav-
>>>>>> is.edu, Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Day D- lower body pull
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume your ? means you don't know of any lower body
>>>>>>> "pull" muscle groups. Hip flexion, hip adduction,
>>>>>>> hamstrings, tibialis Anterior, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are movements and/or muscles. What exercises do
>>>>>> you recommend for lower body pull?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm... I don't think you understand the meaning. These
>>>>> movements and muscles are mechanically "pull"
>>>>>
>>>>> --Sir Jackery
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. So, what exercises do you recommend for lower
>>>> body pull?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend any (-:
>>
>>
>> Ok, but weren't you advocating a lower body pull day?
>
> If one wanted to do a 6 day on one day off weight training
> regimen, I guess a lower body pull day would be a good idea.

You guess wrong ;) ! Although a 6 day on, 1 day off split is
not what I would recommend you could split it across the big
six & thus spend only 30 mins/day in the gym.

> I'm not sure though as I've never tried it (and won't). When
> I used to do 6-on 1-off cycles I was cross-country mountain
> biking and couldn't work out my lower body so I split torso
> push and torso pull into 2 days each.
>
>>
>>> I just group all my lower body in one day. I do Squats,
>>> calf preses, deadlifts, hamstring curls, and
>>
>> I've never figures how on earth anyone can do squats and
>> deads on the same day. It's either/or for me.
>
> It's funny you mention this because today was my lower body
> day and I was thinking the same thing. I hadn't done deads
> in a while and I loaded the bar up right after squats for
> the deadlifts. I was still able to pump out a few reps of
> 405lbs (which is pretty high for me)

How much had you been squatting?

> after a warmup of 225 and 2 sets of 365x8. I have never done
> deads right after squats before but when I was thinking
> about it at the gym I thought it would have had more of a
> negative effect on the deads.
>
>>
>>> hip flexion.
>>
>> Isn't this a movement again? What exercise do you advocate?
>
> By hip flexion I mean the group of muscles that control this
> movement. I usually do leg raises or tie a cable to my feet
> and pull at the hips.

Sounds rather gay to me! I would have thought deadlifts rather
qualified as a hip flexion exercise.

>
> --snip--
>
> --Sir Jackery

--
Bully Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an
optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir
Winston Churchill

[Pete]

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:

> If one wanted to do a 6 day on one day off weight training
> regimen, I guess a lower body pull day would be a good idea.
> I'm not sure though as I've never tried it (and won't).

Then why did you recommend it to someone else?

> When I used to do 6-on 1-off cycles I was cross-country
> mountain biking and couldn't work out my lower body so I
> split torso push and torso pull into 2 days each.

Torso, yes.

> By hip flexion I mean the group of muscles that control this
> movement. I usually do leg raises or tie a cable to my feet
> and pull at the hips.

Hip flexors are used in most of the ab work.

--
Pete

[David]

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:45f679f0$0$78129$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:
>
>> If one wanted to do a 6 day on one day off weight training
>> regimen, I guess a lower body pull day would be a good
>> idea. I'm not sure though as I've never tried it (and
>> won't).

I normally do a mid body 'pull' day every 3rd day - it's the
only 'exercise' I do on that day - I find that around 25 reps
is all I need for complete satisfaction.

>
> Then why did you recommend it to someone else?
>
>> When I used to do 6-on 1-off cycles I was cross-country
>> mountain biking and couldn't work out my lower body so I
>> split torso push and torso pull into 2 days each.
>
> Torso, yes.
>
>> By hip flexion I mean the group of muscles that control
>> this movement. I usually do leg raises or tie a cable to my
>> feet and pull at the hips.
>
> Hip flexors are used in most of the ab work.
>
> --
> Pete

[Sir Jacker]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Pete wrote:

> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:
>
>> Strength training = lower reps + more weight. Hypertrophic
>> training = higher reps + less weight.
>
> I dont think so.
>
> --
> Pete

Well there is obviously more to it than that!

--Sir Jackery

[Sir Jacker]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Pete wrote:

> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> schreef:
>
>> If one wanted to do a 6 day on one day off weight training
>> regimen, I guess a lower body pull day would be a good
>> idea. I'm not sure though as I've never tried it (and
>> won't).
>
> Then why did you recommend it to someone else?

I was simply regurgitating information that I learned
elsewhere. There are lower body pull exercises and if one
wanted to isolate this way they could. I prefer not to isolate
in this way.

>
>> When I used to do 6-on 1-off cycles I was cross-country
>> mountain biking and couldn't work out my lower body so I
>> split torso push and torso pull into 2 days each.
>
> Torso, yes.
>
>> By hip flexion I mean the group of muscles that control
>> this movement. I usually do leg raises or tie a cable to my
>> feet and pull at the hips.
>
> Hip flexors are used in most of the ab work.
>
> --
> Pete

Not the ab work I do. I do mostly crunches that are heavily
isolated and heavily painful. Now how the abs stabilize the
hip flexors exercises is a different story.

--Sir Jackery

[Tom Anders]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2007, mm wrote:

> On Mar 12, 3:03 am, Tom Anderson
> <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jason Earl wrote:
>>> "mm" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2:59 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey! Maybe you should buy a gun.
>>>>
>>>> I thought about it ..long time ago when I was moving away
>>>> from school but the invader, if there ever is one, would
>>>> probably get a hold of it and aim at me. My area is nice
>>>> but I don't want to be seen. I don't want people know
>>>> that there is a female living alone in a big house. And
>>>> when I move to bay Area, I'll be ina an partment.
>>>
>>> Posts like this make me glad that I am not female.
>>
>> It's not about being female. It's about letting irrational
>> fear rule your life.
>
> To you obviously. Did I tell you that that female lawyer was
> living in top notch apartment building. One never knows
> what's the mind of other people.

So, that's one case. How many women live alone and don't get
raped? Quite a lot.

Look up some statistics. You stand a far, far higher chance of
being killed in a traffic accident while driving to work than
you do of being raped while walking or cycling. Are you going
to stop driving to work now?

> What you call fear is preventive measures to me.

Your preventative measures are quite unnecessary, and are
stopping you living a full, happy life.

tom

--
Fitter, Happier, More Productive.

[Sir Jacker]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Tom Anderson wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2007, mm wrote:
>
>> On Mar 12, 3:03 am, Tom Anderson
>> <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Jason Earl wrote:
>>>> "mm" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> On Mar 11, 2:59 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey! Maybe you should buy a gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought about it ..long time ago when I was moving
>>>>> away from school but the invader, if there ever is one,
>>>>> would probably get a hold of it and aim at me. My area
>>>>> is nice but I don't want to be seen. I don't want people
>>>>> know that there is a female living alone in a big house.
>>>>> And when I move to bay Area, I'll be ina an partment.
>>>>
>>>> Posts like this make me glad that I am not female.
>>>
>>> It's not about being female. It's about letting irrational
>>> fear rule your life.
>>
>> To you obviously. Did I tell you that that female lawyer
>> was living in top notch apartment building. One never knows
>> what's the mind of other people.
>
> So, that's one case. How many women live alone and don't get
> raped? Quite a lot.
>
> Look up some statistics. You stand a far, far higher chance
> of being killed in a traffic accident while driving to work
> than you do of being raped while walking or cycling. Are you
> going to stop driving to work now?
>
>> What you call fear is preventive measures to me.
>
> Your preventative measures are quite unnecessary, and are
> stopping you living a full, happy life.

I have to agree here. You are probably in far more danger of a
car accident or heart failure.

--Sir Jackery