Neanaderthin Theory

[LizB.]

Hello!

I just read Neanderthin and I am very excited. I studied some anthropology in college and I am happy that someone picked up these ideas into a diet plan and did all the research. Has anyone read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has this problem. I work as a governess and I have to eat with the family I work for once a day. They eat some forbedden fruit and for politqacal reasons I cannot refuse to eat what they put on my plate, nevermind the language barrier it would be rude culturally. I have been eating low-carb for about a year with moderate success and I can eat what I want any other time of day so has anyone tried a modified Neanderthin program while increaseing Omega-3 intake?

Has anyone read Jared Diamond's article about Agriculture being the worst mistake in human history? Neanderthin just seems like one more piece of the puzzle to me when it comes to the problems of modern life.

I was part of a discussion group in California that was trying to start tribal venture buisnesses but I have moved and I need a new "paleo" support group.
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[captxray]

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Wow, LizB! Are you a fellow paleo-dieter? I am a Neandernut and have been on Neanderthin for almost exactly five months and have lost 32 pounds, so far. I, too majored in Anthropology (actually, paleoanthropology) about 25 years ago...since then, I got my graduate degree in Counseling Psychology and am a psychotherapist, now. My first love has always been paleoanthropology, though. Just darn hard to make a living in it without a PhD and, at the time I was raising a family. Getting my master's degree was hard enought with the schedule. Now that I'm older and moving toward retirement, paleoanthropology is just a hobby. I can't say enough good things about this diet! However, I think you will have trouble losing if you have to break it all of the time. But, couldn't you just eat salads with the family and kind of pick at the other stuff and move it around on your plate and make it look like your eating it? I have no cravings for anything except a good piece of meat, or a salad. Looking forward to talking more about paleodieting. It gets a little lonely at this site for us "primitives." It would be great to have the support of another one, like me!

[LizB.]

Nice to meet you. I did not major in Anthro., but I considered it and then settled on Mythology. That is why I asked if anyone had read any of Daniel Quinn's books, as he has some interesting ideas about the Agricultural Revolution.

I do push things around my plate, but in their culture it is bad to waste food, any food, no matter how wealthy you are so I have problems sometimes. But I am increasing my meat intake, which is probably good because I was beginning to have symptoms of anemia before I started eating a lot of meat on this diet. I have never eaten so much and actually lost weight at the same time, I am sold! I thought, I'll try it and see... this is always my approach, trial and error. Hope to hear from you again.

Liz ;)

[captxray]

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Hi Liz,
I feel sorry for you having to be so polite with your employer, but, what the heck! All you can do is all you can do, and all you can do is enough! I'm sure that you'll be in better health by doing what you're attempting to do, in the long run.

What is the culture of these people, anyway? They wouldn't understand, at all, if you told them that you must stay away from certain foods for your health? Do you have any symptoms of an autoimmune disorder/disease? You know, like MS, Lupus, Diabetes, Fibromyalgia, Overweight, arthritis...all of these are considered to be autoimmune diseases/disorders. If you do, then the food you eat has a definite bearing on your health...as it does with the rest of us, anyway. Some of us just have stronger constitutions which hold out longer before succumbing to those above-mentioned diseases. Grains are very high in harmful phytates and lectins, which are the root cause of those disorders. That's why the fossil record doesn't have any evidence of them before the advent of agriculture. Milk products are also very high in harmful lectins. Our bodies need lectins, but not the ones in cow's milk...or any other milk, for that matter, after we mature. Milk is only for babies of all mammalian species. Beans (including peanuts and soy) and all legumes, are high in alkaloids which are, in some cases (soy, limas, kidneys, favas), deadly in their raw form. Soy and Kidneys are so high in harmful phytates, lectins, and alkaloids that they are never rendered harmless, no matter what is done to them or their by-products. The same goes for hydrogenated cooking oils, Canola Oil (very bad for us...in the same family as Castor Beans...called rape seed), Soy Oil (almost a poison), Cottonseed Oil (actually is a poison),Peanut Oil (really close, also), and Corn Oil(extremely bad for us, and poisonous to many people). Also, you shouldn't cook with Olive Oil, but it is the best for us to eat in most other circumstances. Actually the best oils for cooking are sunflower oil or sesame oil. The absoultely best cooking oil on the market is ...get this...Palm Oil! It doesn't break down into harmful free radicals nearly as fast as the rest of them. It is consdered to be the most stable oil for cooking. Sure, it's high in cholesterol, but that is a myth, too! Our bodies need cholesterol and they produce it if they aren't getting enough. Outside Cholesterol doesn't do a darn thing to us!. If you were to get a doctor to write a prescription for certain foods, would they understand that? What if you were allergic to nuts and nuts could kill you?..Like people who must take Monomine Oxidase Inhibitors...Would they be willing to go along with that? Or is it that your just afraid they would find somebody else who would be willing, and able to eat their food, if you couldn't? What a dillema! Good luck! Just do the best you can.

[LizB.]

Thanx so much for all the advice. I am slowly trying to wean myself off all of those harmful agents. I thought Olive oil was ok, but I will see if they have those other kinds they suggested. I actually can avoid most forbidden fruit, occasionally I can’t but I can live with that, but I can’t tell them what to eat or how to cook it. They are Lebanese, and they eat a lot of vegetables and bread, but I don’t have to eat the bread.

I went to Sam’s club the other day and bought almonds and walnuts beef jerky and Omega-3 supplements. I think that just knowing what my enemy foods are is a start. I used to think that the enemy was all fats, now it is just some fats, all sugar, and grain. I knew about the grain a long time ago, ever since I read Jared Diamond’s article about The Worst Mistake in Human History (required reading for my first Anthro class).


Maybe some day I can go off all of these foods entirely, but for now I am happy to know what it is I should be eating. I will try to get up the courage to refuse forbidden fruit, but it does not go over well around here, many of their guests can’t refuse either (no matter what their health concerns). However, it has been noted, since I came that I seem to have a good system, someone who eats and doesn’t gain weight is always an anomaly, and they know that my genetics are against me, so maybe I can enlist some support that way.

By the way, I just found out that there is a variant of the Adam and Eve tale where they ate grain, not an apple, in the garden of Eden, and that it was the grain that was forbidden. Go figure.

Liz
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[captxray]

Ha! Ha! Ha! I love it! Yes, I think our "forbidden fruit" is not fruit, but GRAIN. Sounds like you're doing the best you can do. My hat is off to you in these tough situations. Good job! Chin up! Hip! Hip!

[julienne]

hi Lizzy, love you so much, mommy

[captxray]

Oh, so now family is getting involved?! Welcome! How are you doing, anyhow, Lizzy? Did you get away from that bad situation? Hope you're still paleo-ing.

[julienne]

it is hard for Elizabeth to get online, there is an unusual jealousy in the home with the perks she gets as opposed to others in the household,

the place where she is at if fabulous, do not be sorry for her,

she is rather crabby sometimes,

she has made remarkable progress with her situation at her employers,

yes, they are bread and starch eaters, but she has silently made a mark and now friends of the family are asking her secret,

sad thing though that they all could improve their health by LC but give it a little more time and she may have them all convinced,

Lizzy and I are fastinated with physical and cultural anthropology,

my degrees are in biological/chemical sciences and she in more mythological/ideological areas

the combination reinforces each other, but rarely do the disciplines communicate with each other,

lets hope Lizzy is able to get online soon and say hello herself,

julienne

[LizB.]

I had a little trouble with my password,

Just sorted it all out, thank you all so much for your encouragement!

Thank you too mom! I didn't know you were on this forum!

This is great, I love you all!!

LizB.

[iamfuscia]

liz, you might want to check out the carbohydrate addict's diet. on their plan, you eat two small meals of protein during the day (an egg at each for example) and then in the evening, eat whatever you want within the time of an hour. this might work with your situation rather than trying to be neanderthin now. you can always do it later when you are in a new situation.

[phrank]

Liz B.-

Yeah, I have read D. Quinn's "Ishmael." One of those books that can literally change a person's life. Are you an avid reader? If so, maybe we can exchange reading lists. Anyway, good luck with the Paeolithic program!

Nice meeting you,

phrank

[julienne]

phrank, I am Lizzy'z mommy, she is out of the country right now and will return sometime this fall, I am sure she will check into the forum then, I am sure she would love to correspond with another friend of Ismael, she is living with carbo lovers and having a very hard time, but struggle makes us strong,

julienne

[phrank]

This is another book with the power to really make you think.

Seeds of Change: The Living Treasure: The Passionate Story of the Growing Movement to Restore Biodiversity and Revolutionize the Way We Think About.
by Ken Ausubel, et al.

At one point, Ausubel makes the interesting claim that vegetables of yester year were much higher in protien than their modern day counterparts. It seems that breeders have placed a premium on producing sweeter varieties...

Anyway, the book is thought provoking to say the least.

phrank