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kebaldwin
Wed, Feb-28-07, 14:49
This was an e-mail advertisement that was sent to me -- so I stripped out the ad stuff and just included the technical stuff to see who had comments about these supplements?

Doctor's Best Best Benfotiamine

Chromium

Cinnamon

Fenugreek Seed

GlucoTrimŽ (Lagerstroemia speciosa L.extract standardized to 1% corosolic acid

Aloe vera (Concentrated 200:1)(ACTIValoeT)

Gymnema sylvestre Leaf Extract (5:1)

Grapefruit Pectin Complex (Yielding approximately 37% pectin)

unitydkn
Wed, Feb-28-07, 14:53
I know that the Cinnamon should be water-soluble

Gostrydr
Wed, Feb-28-07, 15:53
Where is the ALA?? that is the supreme supp for blood sugar..

cs_carver
Thu, Mar-01-07, 07:23
In my experience, the biggest problem with blood sugar is sugar itself. Give it up and add exercise, and my body has become pretty darn good at stabilizing. That's why I have a liver. It's glucagon's job to create blood sugar when we need it, and if we step out of the way, it works.

Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.

Suspect the ad didn't mention that giving up carbs might obviate the need for the supplements. Some supplement people are just as bad as big pharma at not telling the fullest truth.

Whoa182
Thu, Mar-01-07, 08:19
These two are a great help for blood sugar.

Vinegar (2 tbls) before a meal
EGCG (Green tea)
Resveratrol

Zuleikaa
Thu, Mar-01-07, 08:27
I highly recommend GTF Chromium, cinnamon, gymnema sylvestre, apple cider vinegar (ACV), and vitamin D for sugar control.

JMO, I don't believe cinnamon should be water soluable to be effective. Cinnamon is naturally not water soluable.

ACV, aloe vera, and betaine acid are great for digestive problems and acid reflux, along with vitamin D of course.

unitydkn
Thu, Mar-01-07, 13:09
In my experience, the biggest problem with blood sugar is sugar itself. Give it up and add exercise, and my body has become pretty darn good at stabilizing. That's why I have a liver. It's glucagon's job to create blood sugar when we need it, and if we step out of the way, it works.

Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.

Suspect the ad didn't mention that giving up carbs might obviate the need for the supplements. Some supplement people are just as bad as big pharma at not telling the fullest truth.
my liver barely works...so I want to help it out...I think it is healing now with no sugar to kill it

deb34
Thu, Mar-01-07, 15:46
I know that the Cinnamon should be water-soluble

I think she meant the water-extracted Cinnulin PF

http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Cinnulin_PF.pdf

Mimya
Thu, Mar-01-07, 16:27
WOW, I just read this today -

In the U.S., Cinnulin PF is the only water-soluble cinnamon extract ingredient standardized for the recognized active component in cinnamon, double-linked Type-A Polymers. Despite USDA studies showing the health benefits of cinnamon, researchers note that when consumed consistently or in high doses, whole cinnamon and fat-soluble extracts may be toxic. Cinnulin PF retains the active components without the potentially harmful compounds, making it completely safe for everyday use.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=46243

cs_carver
Thu, Mar-01-07, 18:59
my liver barely works...so I want to help it out...

Silymarin and N-A-C (N-acetyl cystine).

gryfonclaw
Thu, Mar-01-07, 20:52
WOW, I just read this today -



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=46243

This scares me! I just purchased some cinnamon and took some today (one gram) it's the NSI brand. I don't want to take it if it's going to be toxic. :eek:

diemde
Fri, Mar-02-07, 06:43
Glucagon works better on a three-meals, no snacks program, so that may be a missing element. If you keep eating, you keep stimulating insulin release, and glucagon won't kick out until a couple of hours after insulin.
Can you expand on this? I haven't heard this one before. Everything I've read indicates that eating 5 or 6 small meals per day are better for you.

Zuleikaa
Fri, Mar-02-07, 06:52
This scares me! I just purchased some cinnamon and took some today (one gram) it's the NSI brand. I don't want to take it if it's going to be toxic. :eek:It's not going to be toxic. They've done plenty of studies using regular cinnamon with no ill effects.

The amont reguired to be toxic is huge.

MO, It's just one of those arguments to cost consumers more money by turning something cheap into a more expensive, patentable product.

Dodger
Fri, Mar-02-07, 08:17
WOW, I just read this today -



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=46243Notice that the patented version didn't really affect the important blood sugar measurement.
Changes in HbA1c and lipid profiles were not statistically significant. The A1c is THE important measurement for blood sugar control.

Zuleikaa
Fri, Mar-02-07, 09:29
Notice that the patented version didn't really affect the important blood sugar measurement.
The A1c is THE important measurement for blood sugar control.Yeah, and I meant to say that often the patented version...which takes a component(s) of the base supplement/food often is less effective than the base.

As we've often said here, having some effect versus a placebo means nothing. Put the new drug up against optimum dose of the standard grouped or individual supplement.

Zuleikaa
Fri, Mar-02-07, 10:11
In my mind there is a suspicious progression of supplement trials that take something cheap and nonpatentable that has been proven effective and gradually and deliberately prove it ineffective while at the same time coming up with a component or analog that is patentable and therefore more expensive and prove it to have the benefits (maybe not as strong benefits) of the original.

From this
Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people with type 2 diabetes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14633804&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

And this
Cinnamaldehyde--a potential antidiabetic agent.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=17140783&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum

To disproving it here:
Cinnamon supplementation does not improve glycemic control in postmenopausal type 2 diabetes patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16549460&query_hl=7&itool=pubmed_docsum

And here:
Effects of a cinnamon extract on plasma glucose, HbA, and serum lipids in diabetes mellitus type 2.

Then the article you posted.

As well as this
Naphthalenemethyl ester derivative of dihydroxyhydrocinnamic acid, a component of cinnamon, increases glucose disposal by enhancing translocation of glucose transporter 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16896937&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
Most telling in this article:
CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION: We conclude that DHH105 lowers blood glucose levels through the enhancement of glucose transport, mediated by an increase in insulin-receptor signalling. DHH105 may be a valuable candidate for a new anti-diabetic drug.

So you go from something that works in it's original state to something that works as an extract (you notice both of these are not patentable and very cheap) to disproving both forms of the original. And then suddenly there is a patentable form of components of the original which works on the same disease that the original worked on. A miracle!!!

gryfonclaw
Fri, Mar-02-07, 10:19
It's not going to be toxic. They've done plenty of studies using regular cinnamon with no ill effects.

The amont reguired to be toxic is huge.

MO, It's just one of those arguments to cost consumers more money by turning something cheap into a more expensive, patentable product.

Thanks for the reassurance, Zuleikaa!