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Olaf Klisc
Fri, Jan-26-07, 17:16
One of the characters in the book "Evolution" by Stephen
Baxter is a (female) Homo Erectus (1.5 MY ago) who can run 100
meters in 6 or 7 seconds and a mile in 3 minutes. It is stated
that anatomically she falls within the variation found in
modern human populations (albeit just barely); she's further
described as: height > 150 cm, weight 45 kg, slender build,
hard muscles, long limbs.

Is this consistent with current scientific research? I mean,
the physical description appears reasonable, but the athletic
capabilities sound just... impressive :-P

richardpar
Sat, Jan-27-07, 06:16
On Jan 27, 5:55 am, Olaf Klischat
<olaf.klisc...@isst.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> One of the characters in the book "Evolution" by Stephen
> Baxter is a (female) Homo Erectus (1.5 MY ago) who can run
> 100 meters in 6 or 7 seconds and a mile in 3 minutes. It is
> stated that anatomically she falls within the variation
> found in modern human populations (albeit just barely);
> she's further described as: height > 150 cm, weight 45 kg,
> slender build, hard muscles, long limbs.
>
> Is this consistent with current scientific research? I mean,
> the physical description appears reasonable, but the
> athletic capabilities sound just... impressive :-P

Sounds very impressive indeed. If that female H. erectus is
17% shorter
(1.5m/1.8m) than modern humans then her legs should be
17% shorter as well, and so should the length
of her pace.

If she ran 33% faster, but her pace was 17% shorter, then she
must have been running like the Roadrunner in those cartoons.
(Can't be bothered to go into the arithmetic details just now,
but she must have been something like a 45-50% better runner
than we are now, if any of this is at all true).

Does Stephen Baxter give any reference as to where he found
this remarkable information?

regards

Richard

Jois
Sun, Jan-28-07, 06:17
"Olaf Klischat" <olaf.klischat@isst.fraunhofer.de> wrote in
message news:87ps911miu.fsf@swangoose.isst.fhg.de...
> One of the characters in the book "Evolution" by Stephen
> Baxter is a (female) Homo Erectus (1.5 MY ago) who can run
> 100 meters in 6 or 7 seconds and a mile in 3 minutes. It is
> stated that anatomically she falls within the variation
> found in modern human populations (albeit just barely);
> she's further described as: height > 150 cm, weight 45 kg,
> slender build, hard muscles, long limbs.
>
> Is this consistent with current scientific research? I mean,
> the physical description appears reasonable, but the
> athletic capabilities sound just... impressive :-P

Run a Google search on: "Homo Erectus running"

Pretty good information there. 3-5 or more articles.

Jois

Rmacfarl
Sun, Jan-28-07, 17:16
On Jan 28, 8:28 pm, "Jois" <firstj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Olaf Klischat" <olaf.klisc...@isst.fraunhofer.de> wrote in
> messagenews:87ps911miu.fsf@swangoose.isst.fhg.de...
>
> > One of the characters in the book "Evolution" by Stephen
> > Baxter is a (female) Homo Erectus (1.5 MY ago) who can run
> > 100 meters in 6 or 7 seconds and a mile in 3 minutes. It
> > is stated that anatomically she falls within the variation
> > found in modern human populations (albeit just barely);
> > she's further described as: height > 150 cm, weight 45 kg,
> > slender build, hard muscles, long limbs.
>
> > Is this consistent with current scientific research? I
> > mean, the physical description appears reasonable, but the
> > athletic capabilities sound just... impressive :-PRun a
> > Google search on:
> "Homo Erectus running"
>
> Pretty good information there. 3-5 or more articles.
>
> Jois

I seriously doubt that given that this is possible; in fact
I'll bet anything you like that it is impossible. There is no
way a Homo erectus built on essentially an identical body plan
to a modern human could perform at 30 to 40% better than the
best, most highly trained (and probably drug-fuelled) male
athlete, or almost 50% better than the best female.

The 100m sprint record has improved only about 2.5% in 38
years - from
9.95 to 9.79 seconds. Humans are running up against dimishing
returns in most Olympic sports and there is a physical
limitation to further improvement...

Ross Macfarlane