Common Salt?

[Kumar]

Hello,

Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or increase
hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na co-transported via
Na/K pump)?

If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in
much use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?

Best wishes.

[Tc]

Kumar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or increase
> hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na co-transported via
> Na/K pump)?
>
> If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in
> much use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
>
> Best wishes.

Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It is a
physically inpossible concept.

TC

[Kumar]

TC wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
> > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
> > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
> >
> > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now
> > in much use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
> >
> > Best wishes.
>
> Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It is
> a physically inpossible concept.

"Another important task of the Na+-K+ pump is to provide a Na+
gradient that is used by certain carrier processes. In the
gut, for example, sodium is transported out of the resorbing
cell on the blood side via the Na+-K+ pump, whereas, on the
resorbing side, the Na+-Glucose symporter uses the created Na+
gradient as a source of energy to import both Na+ and Glucose,
which is far more efficient than simple diffusion. Similar
processes are located in the renal tubular system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase "
> TC

"Absorption of glucose entails transport from the intestinal
lumen, across the epithelium and into blood. The transporter
that carries glucose and galactose into the enterocyte is the
sodium-dependent hexose transporter, known more formally as
SGLUT-1. As the name indicates, this molecule transports both
glucose and sodium ion into the cell and in fact, will not
transport either alone"http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/p-
athphys/digestion/smallgut/absorb_sugars.html

[Andrew B.]

convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or increase
> hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na co-transported via
> Na/K pump)?
>
> If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in
> much use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
>
> Best wishes.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5642908-
177caf957?

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
> > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
> > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
> >
> > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now
> > in much use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
> >
> > Best wishes.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56429-
> 08177caf957?
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

Yes, but whether salt and *iodine add taste to food?

[Andrew B.]

convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
> > > > > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
> > > > > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
>
> > The amount of salt that is optimal will vary from person
> > to person.
>
> > This optimum is determined by the amount that makes the
> > food taste best for any one person.
>
> Whether such optimal is excess in diabetics?

Optimal concentration is not optimal amount.

Amount is equal to concentration times amount of food.

> Can below optimal level stimulate craving of taking
> salty foods?

Craving is hunger.

> Do we get effects/feeing of excessive from excess intake of
> salt and sugar, after few days of intakes?

Hunger increases as soon as we eat less toward goal of
optimal amount.

> Till then, taste/cravings make us to take more. If yes, how?

We are becoming healthier.

> > > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt,
> > > > now in much
> > > > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
>
> > It is theoretically possible that an iodine-deficient
> > person may find iodized salt adding more flavor to
> > the food.
>
> What is the effect of iodine on body?

It is used to make thyroid hormone.

> Does it increase metabolic rate or cause hyperactivity?

No. Thyroid hormone is stored and its release is precisely
regulated.

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Hello,
> >
> > > > > > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
> > > > > > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
> > > > > > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
> >
> > > The amount of salt that is optimal will vary from person
> > > to person.
> >
> > > This optimum is determined by the amount that makes the
> > > food taste best for any one person.
> >
> > Whether such optimal is excess in diabetics?
>
> Optimal concentration is not optimal amount.
>
> Amount is equal to concentration times amount of food.
>
> > Can below optimal level stimulate craving of taking salty
> > foods?
>
> Craving is hunger.
>
> > Do we get effects/feeing of excessive from excess intake
> > of salt and sugar, after few days of intakes?
>
> Hunger increases as soon as we eat less toward goal of
> optimal amount.
>
> > Till then, taste/cravings make us to take more. If
> > yes, how?
>
> We are becoming healthier.

What about conditions as binge eating and Bulimia?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003265.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000341.htm

Now, There seems to be some relation of binge eating,
Potassium instabilities/imbalances and diabetes2.
Hyperglycemia may cause eflux of K from cells and increase in
extrcellular K whereas insulin can reverse it? Probably,
diabetic2 with persisting hyperglycemia are losing more K in
urine due to such eflux, presenting hyperkalemia AND
hypokalemia at different times?
> > > > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized
> > > > > salt, now in much
> > > > > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
> >
> > > It is theoretically possible that an iodine-deficient
> > > person may find iodized salt adding more flavor to the
> > > food.
> >
> > What is the effect of iodine on body?
>
> It is used to make thyroid hormone.
>
> > Does it increase metabolic rate or cause hyperactivity?
>
> No. Thyroid hormone is stored and its release is precisely
> regulated.
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Mu]

On 26 Jan 2007 19:23:23 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>>
>> What about conditions as binge eating and Bulimia?
>
> Those would be eating disorders that would require
> counseling and group therapy to overcome the underlying
> psychological issues driving the vicious cycle of obsessive
> eating and associated overwhelming feelings of guilt.
>
> Andrew <><

Here we have a root cause of not only eating disorders of the
severe kind but overconsumption generally. Where the issues
that drive overconsumption are psychologically centered, and I
believe most are, then no diet, no treatment and no weight
loss approach will have certainty of success.

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[Kumar]

On Jan 30, 5:24 pm, spamf...@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2007 20:00:40 -0800, "Kumar"
> <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> >But it can be backed by one nutient defficient resulting
> >overeting of many other nutients in food (which co
> >transported or absorbed similarily) not defficient, which
> >causes overeating of those other nutrients , problem due to
> >that or feeling of guilt?
>
> Most nutrients are fairly well tolerated in excess. Energy
> is a problem, but if you eat less energy-dense foods, you
> will have to force huge amounts of food into you to overdo
> the energy. So fat-soluble vitamins can be problematic, but
> apparenty, large overdioses of these are usually fairly
> harmless, apparently.
>
> jack

Yes, well tolerated can mean ok now but may be causing
progressive instabilities and degenarations. Hyperglycemia
upto some extents, fats upto some stores, can be considered as
well tolerated, but can still cause progressive damages.

[Tc]

On Jan 21, 1:37 am, "Kumar"
<lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> TC wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Hello,
>
> > > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
> > > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
> > > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
>
> > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt,
> > > now in much use(ref; increased appetite on
> > > hyperthroidism)?
>
> > > Best wishes.
>
> > Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It
> > is a physically inpossible concept.
>
> "Another important task of the Na+-K+ pump is to provide a
> Na+ gradient that is used by certain carrier processes. In
> the gut, for example, sodium is transported out of the
> resorbing cell on the blood side via the Na+-K+ pump,
> whereas, on the resorbing side, the Na+-Glucose symporter
> uses the created Na+ gradient as a source of energy to
> import both Na+ and Glucose, which is far more efficient
> than simple diffusion. Similar processes are located in the
> renal tubular system.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase"
>
> > TC
>
> "Absorption of glucose entails transport from the intestinal
> lumen, across the epithelium and into blood. The transporter
> that carries glucose and galactose into the enterocyte is
> the sodium-dependent hexose transporter, known more formally
> as SGLUT-1. As the name indicates, this molecule transports
> both glucose and sodium ion into the cell and in fact, will
> not transport either alone"http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hb-
> ooks/pathphys/digestion/smallgut/abso...

It's a great theory but the reality is that most bio-chemists
with any sense of reality do not subscribe to the theory. The
sdium pump is physically impossible. It is a myth.

http://www.ciss.org.au/documents/LingSodiumPumpMyth1a.html

http://www.gilbertling.org/lp6a.htm

TC

[spamfree]

On 30 Jan 2007 11:04:25 -0800, "TC"
<tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 21, 1:37 am, "Kumar"
><lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>> TC wrote:
>> > Kumar wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>>
>> > > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or
>> > > increase hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na
>> > > co-transported via Na/K pump)?
>>
>> > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt,
>> > > now in much use(ref; increased appetite on
>> > > hyperthroidism)?
>>
>> > > Best wishes.
>>
>> > Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It
>> > is a physically inpossible concept.
>>
>> "Another important task of the Na+-K+ pump is to provide a
>> Na+ gradient that is used by certain carrier processes. In
>> the gut, for example, sodium is transported out of the
>> resorbing cell on the blood side via the Na+-K+ pump,
>> whereas, on the resorbing side, the Na+-Glucose symporter
>> uses the created Na+ gradient as a source of energy to
>> import both Na+ and Glucose, which is far more efficient
>> than simple diffusion. Similar processes are located in the
>> renal tubular
>> system.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase"
>>
>> > TC
>>
>> "Absorption of glucose entails transport from the
>> intestinal lumen, across the epithelium and into blood.
>> The transporter that carries glucose and galactose into
>> the enterocyte is the sodium-dependent hexose transporter,
>> known more formally as SGLUT-1. As the name indicates,
>> this molecule transports both glucose and sodium ion into
>> the cell and in fact, will not transport either alone"htt-
>> p://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/smal-
>> lgut/abso...
>
>It's a great theory but the reality is that most bio-chemists
>with any sense of reality do not subscribe to the theory. The
>sdium pump is physically impossible. It is a myth.
>
>http://www.ciss.org.au/documents/LingSodiumPumpMyth1a.html
>
>http://www.gilbertling.org/lp6a.htm

That's the old theory (50 years, now?) that is pushed by that
quack alternative medicine mob who cure cancer with
vegetarianism,isn't it?

jack

[spamfree]

On 30 Jan 2007 10:08:51 -0800, "Kumar"
<lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 30, 5:24 pm, spamf...@spam.heaven wrote:
>> On 27 Jan 2007 20:00:40 -0800, "Kumar"
>> <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >But it can be backed by one nutient defficient resulting
>> >overeting of many other nutients in food (which co
>> >transported or absorbed similarily) not defficient, which
>> >causes overeating of those other nutrients , problem due
>> >to that or feeling of guilt?
>>
>> Most nutrients are fairly well tolerated in excess. Energy
>> is a problem, but if you eat less energy-dense foods, you
>> will have to force huge amounts of food into you to overdo
>> the energy. So fat-soluble vitamins can be problematic, but
>> apparenty, large overdioses of these are usually fairly
>> harmless, apparently.
>>
>> jack
>
>Yes, well tolerated can mean ok now but may be causing
>progressive instabilities and degenarations.

No, not the things I had in mind, like water soluble vitamins
and elements.

>Hyperglycemia upto some extents,

This is pathologic, and the causative disease should be
discovered and treated. It is not a result of eating an excess
of glucose (so long as calories are not exceeded)

>fats upto some stores, can be considered as well tolerated,
>but can still cause progressive damages.

As I said, energy can be a problem in that it is is one thing
that the body tends not to excrete excess of. Most other
things are excreted when consumed in excess.

jack