Hunger & Cravings in diabetecs?

[Kumar]

Hello,

Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?

Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
resulting hyperglycemia?

How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
instead of just blood status? Is it possible that a
diabetic is defficient in glucose on total body level but
elevated on blood level, which may result into cravings and
hunger to eat more?

Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
commercial interests, but it can be greed due to predisposed
or aquired reasons of defficiencies and unsatisfactions. I
never remained defficient to foods and never exposed to
people/advt. of commercial interests, still get cravings and
undue hunger.

Best wishes.

[spamfree]

On 18 Jan 2007 20:30:39 -0800, "kumar"
<lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
>overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?

I gues it will be either the high insulin levels (known to
cause hunger) or the starving body cells not getting
enough glucose.

>Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
>resulting hyperglycemia?

Any eating can do it.

>How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
>instead of just blood status?

As it is the bloodstream that takes glucose to all parts of
the body, it will be a concentration gradient from where the
glucose is supplied to where it is used. Speed of use,
production and distance between the two will determine any
concentration differences along this path from production to
use. Blood glucose is surely the most useful measure.

>Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in glucose on
>total body level but elevated on blood level, which may
>result into cravings and hunger to eat more?

Not signioficantly. What are you postulating is slowing up the
flow of glucose?

>Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
>commercial interests, but it can be greed due to predisposed
>or aquired reasons of defficiencies and unsatisfactions. I
>never remained defficient to foods and never exposed to
>people/advt. of commercial interests, still get cravings and
>undue hunger.

Do you have diabetes or insulin resistance? If type 1 and
you use too much insulin, that's why you are hungry. If IR,
too much insulin and not enough allowed into cells.That's
why you ae hungry

jack

Did you post this to alt.health.diabetes?

[Kumar]

spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007 20:30:39 -0800, "kumar"
> <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
> >overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?
>
> I gues it will be either the high insulin levels (known to
> cause hunger) or the starving body cells not getting enough
> glucose.
>
> >Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
> >resulting hyperglycemia?
>
> Any eating can do it.
>
> >How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> >instead of just blood status?
>
> As it is the bloodstream that takes glucose to all parts of
> the body, it will be a concentration gradient from where the
> glucose is supplied to where it is used. Speed of use,
> production and distance between the two will determine any
> concentration differences along this path from production to
> use. Blood glucose is surely the most useful measure.

Thanks. Can this mechanism become abnormal in diabetics?
> >Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in glucose on
> >total body level but elevated on blood level, which may
> >result into cravings and hunger to eat more?
>
> Not signioficantly. What are you postulating is slowing up
> the flow of glucose?
Can body system decrease blood flow or supply of glucose to
extravascular tissues to avoid excess glucose exposure to
tissues or glucotoxicities?
> >Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
> >commercial interests, but it can be greed due to
> >predisposed or aquired reasons of defficiencies and
> >unsatisfactions. I never remained defficient to foods and
> >never exposed to people/advt. of commercial interests,
> >still get cravings and undue hunger.
>
> Do you have diabetes or insulin resistance? If type 1 and
> you use too much insulin, that's why you are hungry. If IR,
> too much insulin and not enough allowed into cells.That's
> why you ae hungry
Type2 with IR. How too much insulin stimulate hunger without
hypoglycemia?
> jack
>
> Did you post this to alt.health.diabetes?

Now posted.

[Kumar]

spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2007 01:35:03 -0800, "Kumar"
> <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
> >spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
> >> On 18 Jan 2007 20:30:39 -0800, "kumar"
> >> <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hello,
> >> >
> >> >Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
> >> >overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?
> >>
> >> I gues it will be either the high insulin levels (known
> >> to cause hunger) or the starving body cells not getting
> >> enough glucose.
> >>
> >> >Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
> >> >resulting hyperglycemia?
> >>
> >> Any eating can do it.
> >>
> >> >How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> >> >instead of just blood status?
> >>
> >> As it is the bloodstream that takes glucose to all parts
> >> of the body, it will be a concentration gradient from
> >> where the glucose is supplied to where it is used. Speed
> >> of use, production and distance between the two will
> >> determine any concentration differences along this path
> >> from production to use. Blood glucose is surely the most
> >> useful measure.
> >
> >Thanks. Can this mechanism become abnormal in diabetics?
>
> Not that I know of, Kumar. The only holdup in diabetics is
> at the cell membrane where either insuffient or ineffective
> insulin blocks entry of glucose into the cell.
>
> >> >Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in glucose
> >> >on total body level but elevated on blood level, which
> >> >may result into cravings and hunger to eat more?
> >>
> >> Not signioficantly. What are you postulating is slowing
> >> up the flow of glucose?
>
> >Can body system decrease blood flow or supply of glucose to
> >extravascular tissues to avoid excess glucose exposure to
> >tissues or glucotoxicities?
>
> I've not heard of any mechanism for this, but maybe an
> expert in this area can tell you definitely. It doesn't seem
> to happen in diabetics who all seem to get damage from
> chronic high glucose levels.
It is bit unclear to most to whome I asked. But body may try
to avoid toxicities/excesses enabling glucose excretion in
urine. I think, local long term blood flow regulations of
increase and decrease in size and numbers or vessels supplying
the tissues, vaso-oblitretions, angiogenesis may be related to
blood flow variations.
> >> >Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
> >> >commercial interests, but it can be greed due to
> >> >predisposed or aquired reasons of defficiencies and
> >> >unsatisfactions. I never remained defficient to foods
> >> >and never exposed to people/advt. of commercial
> >> >interests, still get cravings and undue hunger.
> >>
> >> Do you have diabetes or insulin resistance? If type 1 and
> >> you use too much insulin, that's why you are hungry. If
> >> IR, too much insulin and not enough allowed into
> >> cells.That's why you ae hungry
>
> >Type2 with IR. How too much insulin stimulate hunger
> >without hypoglycemia?
>
> Well, the cells are hypoglycemic (intracellular) and perhaps
> they signal the body to send more glucose, either by eating
> or liver dumping.
Can we evalute such hypo glucose to target cells more-- not
going into cells, lesser filtered extravascularily or total
body glucose levels are defficient?
> >> Did you post this to alt.health.diabetes?
> >
> >Now posted.
>
> It's just that my newsserver doesn't know of this group. I
> thought you might have meant alt.support.diabetes
Now done.
>
> jack

[spamfree]

On 19 Jan 2007 01:35:03 -0800, "Kumar"
<lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:

>spamfree@spam.heaven wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2007 20:30:39 -0800, "kumar"
>> <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
>> >overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?
>>
>> I gues it will be either the high insulin levels (known to
>> cause hunger) or the starving body cells not getting enough
>> glucose.
>>
>> >Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
>> >resulting hyperglycemia?
>>
>> Any eating can do it.
>>
>> >How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
>> >instead of just blood status?
>>
>> As it is the bloodstream that takes glucose to all parts of
>> the body, it will be a concentration gradient from where
>> the glucose is supplied to where it is used. Speed of use,
>> production and distance between the two will determine any
>> concentration differences along this path from production
>> to use. Blood glucose is surely the most useful measure.
>
>Thanks. Can this mechanism become abnormal in diabetics?

Not that I know of, Kumar. The only holdup in diabetics is at
the cell membrane where either insuffient or ineffective
insulin blocks entry of glucose into the cell.

>> >Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in glucose on
>> >total body level but elevated on blood level, which may
>> >result into cravings and hunger to eat more?
>>
>> Not signioficantly. What are you postulating is slowing up
>> the flow of glucose?

>Can body system decrease blood flow or supply of glucose to
>extravascular tissues to avoid excess glucose exposure to
>tissues or glucotoxicities?

I've not heard of any mechanism for this, but maybe an expert
in this area can tell you definitely. It doesn't seem to
happen in diabetics who all seem to get damage from chronic
high glucose levels.

>> >Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
>> >commercial interests, but it can be greed due to
>> >predisposed or aquired reasons of defficiencies and
>> >unsatisfactions. I never remained defficient to foods and
>> >never exposed to people/advt. of commercial interests,
>> >still get cravings and undue hunger.
>>
>> Do you have diabetes or insulin resistance? If type 1 and
>> you use too much insulin, that's why you are hungry. If IR,
>> too much insulin and not enough allowed into cells.That's
>> why you ae hungry

>Type2 with IR. How too much insulin stimulate hunger without
>hypoglycemia?

Well, the cells are hypoglycemic (intracellular) and perhaps
they signal the body to send more glucose, either by eating or
liver dumping.

>> Did you post this to alt.health.diabetes?
>
>Now posted.

It's just that my newsserver doesn't know of this group. I
thought you might have meant alt.support.diabetes

jack

[Julie Bove]

"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169181039.482735.90580@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
> overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?
>
> Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
> resulting hyperglycemia?
>
> How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> instead of just blood status? Is it possible that a diabetic
> is defficient in glucose on total body level but elevated on
> blood level, which may result into cravings and hunger to
> eat more?
>
> Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
> commercial interests, but it can be greed due to predisposed
> or aquired reasons of defficiencies and unsatisfactions. I
> never remained defficient to foods and never exposed to
> people/advt. of commercial interests, still get cravings and
> undue hunger.

I don't have the answer to this but I was just thinking the
same thing. Lately I usually have no appetite at all and often
finishing a whole meal is difficult. But then I had the
opposite thing happen last night.

My dinner was brown rice noodles with roast beef and some raw
carrots. Total amount of carbs was approx. 45 g. This is
usually doable for me. Tested at two hours after eating and BG
was 222. Not good! Much higher than I usually am when I've
eaten this same meal.

A little time went by and I realized I was starving! I ate a
few peanuts. It wasn't enough. I ate some more. Then I started
in on the pretzels. Newman's Own high protein pretzels. I know
better than to have left the bag sitting around and I know
better than to eat them when my BG is already high but I just
felt compelled to eat them. Felt like I needed the salt.

Then around midnight my stomach was growling at me again. I
just couldn't bring myself to test, figuring my BG would be
through the rood and resigned myself to knowing I would wake
with BG that was too high. Ate 1/2 a can of kidney beans.

So what did I wake up to this morning? The feeling that I was
starving again, and BG was 108. The only things I can figure
is that my 222 wasn't the right number. I admit I didn't wash
my hands prior to testing. And now that I think of it, I did
take the carrots with me and ate them after dinner because I
didn't have time to finish them. Could be I had carrot juice
on my finger or something. Or it could be I did in fact have
some sort of weird, transient spike. I dunno.

[Andrew B.]

Convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
> overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?

Cravings/hunger don't cause people to overeat.

The false belief that craving/hunger is bad causes people
to overeat.

> Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal eating
> resulting hyperglycemia?

Overeating causes the formation of visceral adipose tissue
(VAT), which over time will lead to the insulin resistance
that precedes the development of pancreatic insufficiency of
type-2 diabetes.

> How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> instead of just blood status?

Post-mortem extraction of glycogen from liver and muscle for
quantification.

> Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in glucose on
> total body level but elevated on blood level, which may
> result into cravings and hunger to eat more?

No.

> Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
> commercial interests, but it can be greed due to predisposed
> or aquired reasons of defficiencies and unsatisfactions.

Those around you who hold the false belief that "hunger is
bad" are also unwittingly involved in brainwashing you.

> I never remained defficient to foods and never exposed to
> people/advt. of commercial interests, still get cravings and
> undue hunger.

Only those living as a hermit would not be exposed to the
forces that are work brainwashing people to believe that
"hunger is bad."

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Pastor Kut]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> Convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and occasionally
> > overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger to overeat?
>
> Cravings/hunger don't cause people to overeat.
>
> The false belief that craving/hunger is bad causes people to
> overeat.
>

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tion77.jpg

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ml

Sick.

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and
> > > > occasionally overeat. What causes such cravings/hunger
> > > > to overeat?
> > >
> > > Cravings/hunger don't cause people to overeat.
> > >
> > > The false belief that craving/hunger is bad causes
> > > people to overeat.
> >
> > Whether such false belief can be predisposed/inherited or
> > aquired?
>
> It is acquired through brainwashing.
>
> > > > Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal
> > > > eating resulting hyperglycemia?
> > >
> > > Overeating causes the formation of visceral adipose
> > > tissue (VAT), which over time will lead to the insulin
> > > resistance that precedes the development of pancreatic
> > > insufficiency of type-2 diabetes.
> >
> > How VAT effects the liver functions and normal movement
> > of bile?
>
> Makes things sluggish.
Other poster mentioned "Vat close(vascularily) ". What does it
mean? Are these fatty depositions, fatty degenerations,
fibrosis, stricture in bile duct, bilary statis, infection in
liver effecting bile flow, somewhat relaxed conditions due to
iron overload/instability, calcifications or otherwise?
> > > > How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> > > > instead of just blood status?
> > >
> > > Post-mortem extraction of glycogen from liver and muscle
> > > for quantification.
>
> > Then if we can't measure in live body, how can we say that
> > total body glucose level can't be defficient inspite
> > hyperglycemia?
>
> Where there are stores there is no deficiency.
>
> If you have money in a bank, you can not say you are poor.
We can check balance in bank account, but not in extravascular
tissues as you indicated. Stores can be of fats but i am
thinking glucose levels?
> > > > Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in
> > > > glucose on total body level but elevated on blood
> > > > level, which may result into cravings and hunger to
> > > > eat more?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > As above.
>
> See above.
>
> > > > Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due to
> > > > commercial interests, but it can be greed due to
> > > > predisposed or aquired reasons of defficiencies and
> > > > unsatisfactions.
> > >
> > > Those around you who hold the false belief that "hunger
> > > is bad" are also unwittingly involved in brainwashing
> > > you.
> > >
> > > > I never remained defficient to foods and never exposed
> > > > to people/advt. of commercial interests, still get
> > > > cravings and undue hunger.
> > >
> > > Only those living as a hermit would not be exposed to
> > > the forces that are work brainwashing people to believe
> > > that "hunger is bad."
> >
> > Whether such brainwashing can be predisposed or aquired?
>
> By definition, it is acquired.
Ok thanks.
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> neighbor "Kumar" <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> snip> >
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> >
> > > > > > > > Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and
> > > > > > > > occasionally overeat. What causes such
> > > > > > > > cravings/hunger to overeat?
> >
> > > > > > > Cravings/hunger don't cause people to overeat.
> >
> > > > > > > The false belief that craving/hunger is bad
> > > > > > > causes people to overeat.
> >
> > > > > > Whether such false belief can be
> > > > > > predisposed/inherited or aquired?
> >
> > > > > It is acquired through brainwashing.
> >
> > > > > > > > Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or
> > > > > > > > normal eating resulting hyperglycemia?
> >
> > > > > > > Overeating causes the formation of visceral
> > > > > > > adipose tissue (VAT), which over time will lead
> > > > > > > to the insulin resistance that precedes the
> > > > > > > development of pancreatic insufficiency of
> > > > > > > type-2 diabetes.
> >
> > > > > > How VAT effects the liver functions and normal
> > > > > > movement of bile?
> >
> > > > > Makes things sluggish.
> >
> > > > Other poster mentioned "Vat close(vascularily) ". What
> > > > does it mean?
> >
> > > VAT can become so excessive that it invades/infiltrates
> > > the liver changing it to a fatty one.

Whether fatty liver causes some impairment in normal
bile flow?
> > Can it be defined as fatty changes resulting into fatty
> > degeneration?
> >
> > > > Are these fatty depositions, fatty degenerations,
> > > > fibrosis, stricture in bile duct, bilary statis,
> > > > infection in liver effecting bile flow, somewhat
> > > > relaxed conditions due to iron overload/instability,
> > > > calcifications or otherwise?
> >
> > > See above.
How fatty liver, fatty changes and fatty degeneration
are linked?

Is there any link between fatty liver and renal problems?
> > Are such fatty changes related to some
> > impairement/abnormality in O2 metabolism?
>
> No.
How excess lipids in blood can effect vascular tone? Are these
vasoconstricting or vaso-dilating?
snip> >
> > > Glycogen stores are essentially glucose stores.
>
> > How glycogen stores are effected due to diabetes2?
>
> They are decreased in folks who are "low-carbing."
Can these be abnormal due to diabetes inspite hyperglycemia?
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com

[Andrew B.]

convicted neighbor "kumar" wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Convicted neighbor kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > > Diabetics2 commoly get cravings to eat and
> > > > > occasionally overeat. What causes such
> > > > > cravings/hunger to overeat?
>
> > > > Cravings/hunger don't cause people to overeat.
>
> > > > The false belief that craving/hunger is bad causes
> > > > people to overeat.
>
> > > Whether such false belief can be predisposed/inherited
> > > or aquired?
>
> > It is acquired through brainwashing.
>
> > > > > Is it overeating causing hyperglycemia or normal
> > > > > eating resulting hyperglycemia?
>
> > > > Overeating causes the formation of visceral adipose
> > > > tissue (VAT), which over time will lead to the insulin
> > > > resistance that precedes the development of pancreatic
> > > > insufficiency of type-2 diabetes.
>
> > > How VAT effects the liver functions and normal movement
> > > of bile?
>
> > Makes things sluggish.Other poster mentioned "Vat
> > close(vascularily) ". What does it mean?
> Are these fatty depositions, fatty degenerations, fibrosis,
> stricture in bile duct, bilary statis, infection in liver
> effecting bile flow, somewhat relaxed conditions due to iron
> overload/instability, calcifications or otherwise?> > > >
> How status/level of total body glucose can be measured
> instead of just
> > > > > blood status?
>
> > > > Post-mortem extraction of glycogen from liver and
> > > > muscle for quantification.
>
> > > Then if we can't measure in live body, how can we say
> > > that total body glucose level can't be defficient
> > > inspite hyperglycemia?
>
> > Where there are stores there is no deficiency.
>
> > If you have money in a bank, you can not say you are poor.
>
> We can check balance in bank account, but not in
> extravascular tissues as you indicated.

Simply measure at the waistline.

> Stores can be of fats but i am thinking glucose levels?

Glycogen stores are basically polymerized glucose.

> > > > > Is it possible that a diabetic is defficient in
> > > > > glucose on total body level but elevated on blood
> > > > > level, which may result into cravings and hunger to
> > > > > eat more?
>
> > > > No.
>
> > > As above.
>
> > See above.
>
> > > > > Sorry, I am bit unsatisfied about brainwashing due
> > > > > to commercial interests, but it can be greed due to
> > > > > predisposed or aquired reasons of defficiencies and
> > > > > unsatisfactions.
>
> > > > Those around you who hold the false belief that
> > > > "hunger is bad" are also unwittingly involved in
> > > > brainwashing you.
>
> > > > > I never remained defficient to foods and never
> > > > > exposed to people/advt. of commercial interests,
> > > > > still get cravings and undue hunger.
>
> > > > Only those living as a hermit would not be exposed to
> > > > the forces that are work brainwashing people to
> > > > believe that "hunger is bad."
>
> > > Whether such brainwashing can be predisposed or aquired?
>
> > By definition, it is acquired.
>
> Ok thanks.

You are welcome, Kumar :-)

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com