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Trinsdad
Fri, Dec-15-06, 13:21
Oh wow lets hope this is for real!

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a598ab5d1bf&k=63970&p=1


Tom Blackwell, National Post
Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a Toronto hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps trigger diabetes, opening the door to a potential near-cure of the disease that affects millions of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain neurons in the pancreas.

"I couldn't believe it," said Dr. Michael Salter, a pain expert at the Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. "Mice with diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more."

The researchers caution they have yet to confirm their findings in people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year or so. Any treatment that may emerge to help at least some patients would likely be years away from hitting the market.

But the excitement of the team from Sick Kids, whose work is being published today in the journal Cell, is almost palpable.

"I've never seen anything like it," said Dr. Hans Michael Dosch, an immunologist at the hospital and a leader of the studies. "In my career, this is unique."

Their conclusions upset conventional wisdom that Type 1 diabetes, the most serious form of the illness that typically first appears in childhood, was solely caused by auto-immune responses -- the body's immune system turning on itself.

They also conclude that there are far more similarities than previously thought between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, and that nerves likely play a role in other chronic inflammatory conditions, such as asthma and Crohn's disease.

The "paradigm-changing" study opens "a novel, exciting door to address one of the diseases with large societal impact," said Dr. Christian Stohler, a leading U.S. pain specialist and dean of dentistry at the University of Maryland, who has reviewed the work.

"The treatment and diagnosis of neuropathic diseases is poised to take a dramatic leap forward because of the impressive research."

About two million Canadians suffer from diabetes, 10% of them with Type 1, contributing to 41,000 deaths a year.

Insulin replacement therapy is the only treatment of Type 1, and cannot prevent many of the side effects, from heart attacks to kidney failure.

In Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas does not produce enough insulin to shift glucose into the cells that need it. In Type 2 diabetes, the insulin that is produced is not used effectively -- something called insulin resistance -- also resulting in poor absorption of glucose.

The problems stem partly from inflammation -- and eventual death -- of insulin-producing islet cells in the pancreas.

Dr. Dosch had concluded in a 1999 paper that there were surprising similarities between diabetes and multiple sclerosis, a central nervous system disease. His interest was also piqued by the presence around the insulin-producing islets of an "enormous" number of nerves, pain neurons primarily used to signal the brain that tissue has been damaged.

Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

"Then we had the biggest shock of our lives," Dr. Dosch said. Almost immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally "It was a shock ? really out of left field, because nothing in the literature was saying anything about this."

It turns out the nerves secrete neuropeptides that are instrumental in the proper functioning of the islets. Further study by the team, which also involved the University of Calgary and the Jackson Laboratory in Maine, found that the nerves in diabetic mice were releasing too little of the neuropeptides, resulting in a "vicious cycle" of stress on the islets.

So next they injected the neuropeptide "substance P" in the pancreases of diabetic mice, a demanding task given the tiny size of the rodent organs. The results were dramatic.

The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. Some have remained in that state for as long as four months, with just one injection.

They also discovered that their treatments curbed the insulin resistance that is the hallmark of Type 2 diabetes, and that insulin resistance is a major factor in Type 1 diabetes, suggesting the two illnesses are quite similar.

While pain scientists have been receptive to the research, immunologists have voiced skepticism at the idea of the nervous system playing such a major role in the disease. Editors of Cell put the Toronto researchers through vigorous review to prove the validity of their conclusions, though an editorial in the publication gives a positive review of the work.

"It will no doubt cause a great deal of consternation," said Dr. Salter about his paper.

The researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection between sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does, they will see if their treatments have the same effects on people as they did on mice.

Nothing is for sure, but "there is a great deal of promise," Dr. Salter said.

LC FP
Fri, Dec-15-06, 16:10
yeah, right.

Trinsdad
Fri, Dec-15-06, 17:12
yeah, right.

What, is that response to mean?

Whoa182
Fri, Dec-15-06, 17:15
Very interesting... Diabetes research from rodents more frequently is applicable and translate well, most of the time, to humans than many other diseases investigated, like cancer. The research looks promising, I don't think it will be too long before diabetes will be cured in humans.

doreen T
Fri, Dec-15-06, 17:25
Study abstract:Article
TRPV1+ Sensory Neurons Control β Cell Stress and Islet Inflammation in Autoimmune Diabetes

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In type 1 diabetes, T cell-mediated death of pancreatic β cells produces insulin deficiency. However, what attracts or restricts broadly autoreactive lymphocyte pools to the pancreas remains unclear. We report that TRPV1+ pancreatic sensory neurons control islet inflammation and insulin resistance. Eliminating these neurons in diabetes-prone NOD mice prevents insulitis and diabetes, despite systemic persistence of pathogenic T cell pools. Insulin resistance and β cell stress of prediabetic NOD mice are prevented when TRPV1+ neurons are eliminated. TRPV1NOD, localized to the Idd4.1 diabetes-risk locus, is a hypofunctional mutant, mediating depressed neurogenic inflammation. Delivering the neuropeptide substance P by intra-arterial injection into the NOD pancreas reverses abnormal insulin resistance, insulitis, and diabetes for weeks. Concordantly, insulin sensitivity is enhanced in trpv1−/− mice, whereas insulitis/diabetes-resistant NODxB6Idd4-congenic mice, carrying wild-type TRPV1, show restored TRPV1 function and insulin sensitivity. Our data uncover a fundamental role for insulin-responsive TRPV1+ sensory neurons in β cell function and diabetes pathoetiology.
The full study, published by cell.com .. here (http://www.cell.com/content/article/fulltext?uid=PIIS0092867406014656), for all you cellular biology buffs ;).


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Azlocarb
Fri, Dec-15-06, 19:24
From what I can tell from what I’ve read about this discovery is that it may help Type 1 diabetes sufferers to produce insulin. They also think it may help type 2 somehow. I can see how it would benefit type 1 but how would it help type 2 except by allowing the pancreas to produce more insulin to temporarily overcome the insulin resistance. In either case it is not a cure but a treatment as the effects of the shots where off after a period of time.

Absinthe62
Sat, Dec-16-06, 03:53
It's a wild guess on my part, but I wonder if the whole inflammation theory might come in to play here? Most of the anti-inflammatory diets are low-carb by nature, and low-carb definitely helps type 2. So... inflammation causes the pancreas to perceive pain and shut down, which causes diabetes?

It's early. Am I making any sense whatsoever?

Zuleikaa
Sat, Dec-16-06, 07:46
Makes sense to me.

Citruskiss
Sat, Dec-16-06, 08:01
It's a wild guess on my part, but I wonder if the whole inflammation theory might come in to play here? Most of the anti-inflammatory diets are low-carb by nature, and low-carb definitely helps type 2. So... inflammation causes the pancreas to perceive pain and shut down, which causes diabetes?

It's early. Am I making any sense whatsoever?

Makes sense to me too.

I'm pretty impressed with this study. Very, very interesting. Thanks for posting it Trinsdad.

rightnow
Sat, Dec-16-06, 10:44
I had just posted that on my blog yesterday and was going to post it here but I see you beat me to it!

That it's sort of out of left field -- I mean not totally, there was previous research that led to this study being done after all -- but that the result was so surprising, is one of the things that makes me most optimistic about it. Answers so often turn out to be something shockingly basic that were great mysteries only because nobody ever thought to ask that question before.

Jayppers
Sat, Dec-16-06, 11:36
Very interesting. This sort of scares me though, because things like this seem to promote a greater disregard for consuming too much sugar (or sugar at all for that matter), allowing people to not "fear" the negative affects of sugar on the body because they can just rest assured they can lean on the shoulder of modern science to fix them. The key to diabetes to me seems to be the adherence to a low/no-carb, high saturated fat diet with lots of natural animal products. In my opinion this will safe-guard one against developing diabetes, and greatly assist those manage their diabetes that already have it.

Nancy LC
Sat, Dec-16-06, 11:40
Of course, I look at this and see a role fo.r celiac disease or gluten sensitivity since quite a few people suffer neurological problems with it, I suppose it makes sense it could be affecting localized nerves, not just in the brain. But as always, there's always been this surprisingly high incidence of overlap between celiac disease and diabetes (and virtually every other autoimmune disease)

Jayppers
Sat, Dec-16-06, 11:47
Of course, I look at this and see a role fo.r celiac disease or gluten sensitivity since quite a few people suffer neurological problems with it, I suppose it makes sense it could be affecting localized nerves, not just in the brain. But as always, there's always been this surprisingly high incidence of overlap between celiac disease and diabetes (and virtually every other autoimmune disease) Hi, Nancy. I thought of this as well. The pro-inflammatory nature of cereal grains, especially gluten, should not be overlooked. I believe people should look first and foremost at their personal diet, modifying it given the information that is available about gluten/sugar/food sensitivities, and resort to the modern medical communities "curative" medicine as a last resort. I say the last sentence because over the years through my own personal experience, I have developed what I consider a healthy skeptacism of the American medical research/medical community and the products they market to grow their wallets.

Angeline
Sat, Dec-16-06, 17:23
This is exciting because it really sounds like a Eureka! moment, like when they discovered bacteria was the root cause of stomach ulcers.

This is the kind of stuff that makes science really advance.

Lessara
Mon, Dec-18-06, 10:32
Ok I'm curious does this only work in mice who have type 1 diabetes? What about type 2? Also If its antibody stuff will it work for other auto-immune issues like my hypothyroid (my antibodies are attacking my thyroid)

KvonM
Mon, Dec-18-06, 10:47
what i found interesting was the mention that the injections lasted for up to 4 months in mice, but then the diabetes came back. it makes me wonder two things... 1) what'll the equivalent timespan be for humans, and 2) for those who are "cured" of diabetes, will their diets still need to be closely monitored, either to determine how able the pancreas is to secrete insulin to handle sugars, or to see if anti-inflammatory diets prevent the neurons from going bad again.

dina1957
Mon, Dec-18-06, 11:03
Very interesting... Diabetes research from rodents more frequently is applicable and translate well, most of the time, to humans than many other diseases investigated, like cancer. The research looks promising, I don't think it will be too long before diabetes will be cured in humans.
Something I have to agree on. This article is a proof that drs been telling me all along high of stress and faulty autonomic system alone can result in T2 diabetes, not just a poor diet. I somehow also think that rise T2 epidemic not only related to poor food choices and sedentary lifestyles, but also toxic stress level most Americans are exposed to ona daily basis. Working long hours on computer, watching TV and playing video games, and lack of sleep all adds up, not just poor diet. WE basically live in a constant "fight or flight" situation daily, so those with henetic weakness and adrenal fatigue, become diabetics easily.
I also think that diabetic cure is around the corner.:)

dina1957
Mon, Dec-18-06, 11:54
what i found interesting was the mention that the injections lasted for up to 4 months in mice, but then the diabetes came back. it makes me wonder two things... 1) what'll the equivalent timespan be for humans, and 2) for those who are "cured" of diabetes, will their diets still need to be closely monitored, either to determine how able the pancreas is to secrete insulin to handle sugars, or to see if anti-inflammatory diets prevent the neurons from going bad again.
My understanding is that moderate carb reduction from heathy sources and avoiding refined sugars is nebeficial for anyone, not only diabetics, but I would imagine if we can be "cured" for few years, or even require the shot once a year, it would be a great breakthtough still.

glennette
Thu, Dec-21-06, 15:52
"Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

"Then we had the biggest shock of our lives," Dr. Dosch said. Almost immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally"

Does this mean that taking capsaisin could help some of us Now?

Nancy LC
Thu, Dec-21-06, 18:22
Does this mean that taking capsaisin could help some of us Now?
I doubt it, it's got to get to the pancreas and it probably doesn't normally go there when you ingest it.

I can just imagine going to get your picante pancreas shots... maybe you'll get to select mild or extra spicey. :D

glennette
Fri, Dec-22-06, 08:58
"I doubt it, it's got to get to the pancreas and it probably doesn't normally go there when you ingest it"

Darn!

About a month ago I purchased a bottle of Capsi-Cool after reading that capsaisin helped with sinus problems but I only took it once.

After reading this I decided to try it again. If it just helps the sinus problems I'll be happy.

I'll take my "picante pancreas" shot mild. :D

deb34
Fri, Dec-22-06, 11:11
It's a wild guess on my part, but I wonder if the whole inflammation theory might come in to play here? Most of the anti-inflammatory diets are low-carb by nature, and low-carb definitely helps type 2. So... inflammation causes the pancreas to perceive pain and shut down, which causes diabetes?

It's early. Am I making any sense whatsoever?
yes, it made we wonder that very thought myself!