What the f is a "lifestyle food cult"?

[Tc]

Other than a cutesy catch phrase used by newsgroup
industry trolls?

But honestly.... if someone could explain to me what that is
supposed to mean, I would appreciate it.

Because from a simply liguistic point of view, it appears to
be a nonsensical phrase.

Now a "food lifestyle cult" makes linguistic sense. Or a
"cultist food lifestyle".

But "lifestyle food cult"? It just makes no sense.

TC

[Tc]

yogigupta wrote:
> The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl
> organically grown foods, There is almost a cult like
> following for the oragnic foods. The phrase may not make
> sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious from
> your post. Yogi www.IndiaCurry.com

If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being part
of this "movement". I've never insisted on food being organic,
although theoretically organic would be a plus.

I've always maintained that overly processed and refined foods
are unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food ought to
be as fresh as possible. An organically grown food item that
has been exposed to heat in transit and storage and has sat on
a grocers shelf for weeks has lost much of its nutritional
values, especially the water soluble vitamin content.

Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost
by definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy lecithin,
whey protein powder, white wheat flour, all no longer contain
not much food value. Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never
food to begin with. Eating these fake oils is one massive
human food experiment. Same with soybean convert to soy
protein and soy juice. Gentically modified foods is a massive
game of russian roulette with the food industry holding the
gun. Which GM "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And
will we know about it when it happens?

I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions of
years. If you want to net your families health on fake crap
manufactured foods, go for it, free country and all. But I'd
be careful of any food industry propaganda.

TC

[Ned Goudy]

One very clear example I can think of is: Veganism!

Notice I make NO value judgement here; but I think it is an
excellent example, don't you?

Ned

[Tc]

Ned Goudy wrote:
> One very clear example I can think of is: Veganism!
>
> Notice I make NO value judgement here; but I think it is an
> excellent example, don't you?
>
> Ned

Very astute observation. They advocate a complete *lifestyle*
ie. changing their daily behaviors and practices to save the
animals in every way possible, it is about *food*, and they
approach it with a *cult*-like fanaticism.

TC

[NoOption5L]

TC wrote:
> yogigupta wrote:
> > The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl
> > organically grown foods, There is almost a cult like
> > following for the oragnic foods. The phrase may not make
> > sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious from
> > your post. Yogi www.IndiaCurry.com

> If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being
> part of this "movement".

That's very odd. Why do you state that? What are you against?

1) Foods grown without pesticides.
2) Using naturally healthy soils
3) Use of [generally] smaller farms
4) Better for the environment
5) Or is it something else?

> I've never insisted on food being organic, although
> theoretically organic would be a plus.

I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a
wake-up call/reminder to food growers.

> I've always maintained that overly processed and refined
> foods are unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food
> ought to be as fresh as possible. An organically grown food
> item that has been exposed to heat in transit and storage
> and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks has lost much of
> its nutritional values, especially the water soluble vitamin
> content.

And foods grown conventionally (I hate that term. It should be
"chemically.") are going to fare better in transport? The only
alternative is locally grown, and I love that too, but your
choices are often limited and there's no guarantee on how, or
where, things were grown.

> Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost
> by definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy
> lecithin, whey protein powder, white wheat flour, all no
> longer contain not much food value.

Agreed.

The body builders love and swear by the whey protein though.

> Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin with.
> Eating these fake oils is one massive human food experiment.

I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read
something from a legit source I'll continue to use it.

> Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice.

I don't see it being much different from moo milk.

> Gentically modified foods is a massive game of russian
> roulette with the food industry holding the gun. Which GM
> "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we know
> about it when it happens?

> I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions
> of years.

Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions of
years?

> If you want to net your families health on fake crap
> manufactured foods, go for it, free country and all. But I'd
> be careful of any food industry propaganda.

I'm very curious as to what you eat every day. Please post a
sample of an average day for you.

As I wait to see yours, here's mine from today.

Breakfast: 3-egg (using "EB" brand eggs) omlete w/yellow, red,
green peppers, mushrooms, sesame seeds, black pepper, red
chili peppers, sea salt, and just a touch of cheddar cheese,
some paparika, salsa ("Sadie Sauce") and a bunch of fresh
parsley tossed on top.

On the side: Organic black beans straight from the can,
handful of almonds, a few dried apricots and sour cherries,
leftover baked potato slices w/dab of yogurt.

Drink: "Simply Orange" brand juice (high pulp, in a plastic
bottle) blended with a couple handfuls of fresh spinich. (This
frothy green drink is sublime!)
---
Lunch: Amy's brand lentil soup, a fresh pomegranate and a
slice of my wife's home-made apple pie (her pie has
whole-wheat crust, fresh apples and uses Rapadura sugar. It's
just phenomenal!)

Drink: Glass of soy milk
---
Snack: pumpkin seeds, green tea

Dinner: A hamburger using organic, range-free ground beef on
two slices of Pepperidge Farms 100% whole wheat bread, mustard
& ketchup, romaine lettuce, handful of cherry tomatos, steamed
asparagus and a baked sweet potato.

Drink: glass of cow milk
--
Snack: two squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar & cup of
peppermint tea

Patrick

[Tc]

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
> TC wrote:
> > yogigupta wrote:
> > > The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl
> > > organically grown foods, There is almost a cult like
> > > following for the oragnic foods. The phrase may not make
> > > sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious from
> > > your post. Yogi www.IndiaCurry.com
>
> > If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being
> > part of this "movement".
>
> That's very odd. Why do you state that? What are you
> against?
>
> 1) Foods grown without pesticides.
> 2) Using naturally healthy soils
> 3) Use of [generally] smaller farms
> 4) Better for the environment
> 5) Or is it something else?

Organic designation is not necessarily a guarantee that
food is healthy. Organically grown soybeans are still not
real food.

I support the sentiment but the practice of organic farming
and especially organic certification is far from foolproof.

>
> > I've never insisted on food being organic, although
> > theoretically organic would be a plus.
>
> I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a
> wake-up call/reminder to food growers.

And I applaud the effort. I just don't rely on organic
designation to be accurate in all cases.

>
> > I've always maintained that overly processed and refined
> > foods are unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food
> > ought to be as fresh as possible. An organically grown
> > food item that has been exposed to heat in transit and
> > storage and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks has lost
> > much of its nutritional values, especially the water
> > soluble vitamin content.
>
> And foods grown conventionally (I hate that term. It should
> be "chemically.") are going to fare better in transport? The
> only alternative is locally grown, and I love that too, but
> your choices are often limited and there's no guarantee on
> how, or where, things were grown.

Unless you grow your own produce. Not hard to do. A couple of
hundred square feet of garden space can add a lot of excellent
nutrition to your annual consumption.

>
> > Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value
> > almost by definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy
> > lecithin, whey protein powder, white wheat flour, all no
> > longer contain not much food value.
>
> Agreed.
>
> The body builders love and swear by the whey protein though.

I wouldn't rely on them for health advice.

>
> > Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin
> > with. Eating these fake oils is one massive human food
> > experiment.
>
> I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read
> something from a legit source I'll continue to use it.

It is one of the most genetically modified crops around.
Albeit from selective breeding rather than in vitro. And it
is, by far, the most processed of all vegetable fats.

>
> > Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice.
>
> I don't see it being much different from moo milk.

Soy was only traditionally eaten as a fermented condiment and
in small amounts. More than 60% of the soy grown is GM and
there is no way to determine whether what you buy is GM or
not. Soy juice contains phyto-TOXINS and PHYTO-estrogens and
high levels of some heavy metals. It has been known to create
thyroid disorders. And it has been known to contain high
amounts of fluoride.

I would not touch soy with a ten foot pole.

>
> > Gentically modified foods is a massive game of russian
> > roulette with the food industry holding the gun. Which GM
> > "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we know
> > about it when it happens?
>
> > I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions
> > of years.
>
> Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions
> of years?

At least since they were domesticated. And then their is goat
milk and others which we have thrived on for thousands, if not
tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. Real,
fresh, full-fat, unpasteurized, un-homogenozed milk is a very
healthy component of nutrition.

>
> > If you want to net your families health on fake crap
> > manufactured foods, go for it, free country and all. But
> > I'd be careful of any food industry propaganda.
>
> I'm very curious as to what you eat every day. Please post a
> sample of an average day for you.
>
> As I wait to see yours, here's mine from today.
>
> Breakfast: 3-egg (using "EB" brand eggs) omlete w/yellow,
> red, green peppers, mushrooms, sesame seeds, black pepper,
> red chili peppers, sea salt, and just a touch of cheddar
> cheese, some paparika, salsa ("Sadie Sauce") and a bunch of
> fresh parsley tossed on top.
>
> On the side: Organic black beans straight from the can,
> handful of almonds, a few dried apricots and sour cherries,
> leftover baked potato slices w/dab of yogurt.
>
> Drink: "Simply Orange" brand juice (high pulp, in a plastic
> bottle) blended with a couple handfuls of fresh spinich.
> (This frothy green drink is sublime!)
> ---
> Lunch: Amy's brand lentil soup, a fresh pomegranate and a
> slice of my wife's home-made apple pie (her pie has
> whole-wheat crust, fresh apples and uses Rapadura sugar.
> It's just phenomenal!)
>
> Drink: Glass of soy milk
> ---
> Snack: pumpkin seeds, green tea
>
> Dinner: A hamburger using organic, range-free ground beef on
> two slices of Pepperidge Farms 100% whole wheat bread,
> mustard & ketchup, romaine lettuce, handful of cherry
> tomatos, steamed asparagus and a baked sweet potato.
>
> Drink: glass of cow milk
> --
> Snack: two squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar & cup of
> peppermint tea
>
> Patrick

breakfast. 2 to 3 real eggs, fried over-easy or nearly
hardboiled or poached. couple of pieces of bacon and/or
sausage. one piece rye bread toast with lots of butter. tea
with no sugar & a bit of whole milk.

Lunch. may be home-made beef bologna sandwich on rye bread. or
made-from-scratch chicken soup. could be home-made chili.
whatever I chose to make. maybe an omelet wirh real eggs
sauteed in butter. maybe roast chicken or roast beef
leftovers. a boiled dinner similar to irish boiled dinner.

supper. may be chicken, pork, beef, seafood, prepared in any
of a variety of ways. I get my meat from a fellow who gets it
directly from the local farmers. or sometimes I'll buy
directly from the producer myself. always fresh veggies. fresh
herbs from my garden. moderate amounts potatoes mashed in rich
cream and butter, etc. Ribs, wings, steaks, chops, whole
chickens, real bacon, reals pork sausage. I saute foods in
copious amounts of pork fat (lard) or butter, or sometimes
extra virgin olive oil. Pork fat rules, man.

snacks- home made salsa and corn chips, kielbasa sausage,
ham & egg on
1/2 corn fajita, any of a variety of cheeses (full fat),
pickles, etc Real full fat ice CREAM, the real deal.

Nothing from a box. nothing with a food label. All fresh and
all home-made or nearly so.

No added sugars, no margarine, no shortening, NO SOY, no high
fructose corn syrup softdrinks, no wheat flour, no RTE
cereals, no pasta, no white bread, no canola oil, no
McDonalds.

I've lost 20 lbs and the wife over 40 lbs. eating this way and
my families prescriptions went from over $1000 per year to
ZERO dollars per year. From a dozen medical visits to
virtually zero visits. I've never felt better, never had so
much energy and no longer suffer from IBS and
anxiety/depression as well as infections and colds. How sweet
it is to be realy healthy. My cholesterol and blood sugars are
bang on normal.

TC

[NoOption5L]

TC wrote:

> > > If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being
> > > part of this "movement".

> > That's very odd. Why do you state that? What are you
> > against?

> > 1) Foods grown without pesticides.
> > 2) Using naturally healthy soils
> > 3) Use of [generally] smaller farms
> > 4) Better for the environment
> > 5) Or is it something else?

> Organic designation is not necessarily a guarantee that
> food is healthy. Organically grown soybeans are still not
> real food.

Some interesting reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybeans

> I support the sentiment but the practice of organic farming
> and especially organic certification is far from foolproof.

But still, you must admit, it's lightyears better than
chemically grown.

> > > I've never insisted on food being organic, although
> > > theoretically organic would be a plus.

> > I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a
> > wake-up call/reminder to food growers.

> And I applaud the effort. I just don't rely on organic
> designation to be accurate in all cases.

Nothing is perfect, but in this case the principal is very
sound. It's just up to enforcement.

> > > I've always maintained that overly processed and refined
> > > foods are unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured.
> > > Food ought to be as fresh as possible. An organically
> > > grown food item that has been exposed to heat in transit
> > > and storage and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks has
> > > lost much of its nutritional values, especially the
> > > water soluble vitamin content.

> > And foods grown conventionally (I hate that term. It
> > should be "chemically.") are going to fare better in
> > transport? The only alternative is locally grown, and I
> > love that too, but your choices are often limited and
> > there's no guarantee on how, or where, things were grown.

> Unless you grow your own produce. Not hard to do. A couple
> of hundred square feet of garden space can add a lot of
> excellent nutrition to your annual consumption.

And I applaude that! Gardening is very cool! (I have a few
blueberry bushes in my backyard.) However, that isn't a
possibility for many people. And even when it is, growing
seasons are short in the north, yields can be poor due to
weather, animals and insects acan eat significant quanities,
and then there's the storage needed for the produce, choices
are still limited, etc.

But yeah, if you can grow it cool, next is local markets and
then there's quicker and easier organics in your local
supermarket.

> > > Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value
> > > almost by definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup,
> > > soy lecithin, whey protein powder, white wheat flour,
> > > all no longer contain not much food value.

> > Agreed.

> > The body builders love and swear by the whey protein
> > though.

> I wouldn't rely on them for health advice.

Some of their advice is sound, but I trust more of the advice
coming from athletes and their trainers.

> > > Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin
> > > with. Eating these fake oils is one massive human food
> > > experiment.

> > I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read
> > something from a legit source I'll continue to use it.

> It is one of the most genetically modified crops around.
> Albeit from selective breeding rather than in vitro. And it
> is, by far, the most processed of all vegetable fats.

Another viewpoint.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp

> > > Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice.

> > I don't see it being much different from moo milk.

> Soy was only traditionally eaten as a fermented condiment
> and in small amounts. More than 60% of the soy grown is GM
> and there is no way to determine whether what you buy is GM
> or not. Soy juice contains phyto-TOXINS and PHYTO-estrogens
> and high levels of some heavy metals. It has been known to
> create thyroid disorders. And it has been known to contain
> high amounts of fluoride.

And another...

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/soya.asp

> I would not touch soy with a ten foot pole.

Moderation...

> > > Gentically modified foods is a massive game of russian
> > > roulette with the food industry holding the gun. Which
> > > GM "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we
> > > know about it when it happens?

> > > I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for
> > > millions of years.

> > Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions of
> > years?

> At least since they were domesticated. And then their is
> goat milk and others which we have thrived on for thousands,
> if not tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years.
> Real, fresh, full-fat, unpasteurized, un-homogenozed milk is
> a very healthy component of nutrition.

It's thousands -- less than 10. And has been consumed for less
time than wheat.

> > > If you want to net your families health on fake crap
> > > manufactured foods, go for it, free country and all. But
> > > I'd be careful of any food industry propaganda.

> > I'm very curious as to what you eat every day. Please post
> > a sample of an average day for you.

> > As I wait to see yours, here's mine from today.

> > Breakfast: 3-egg (using "EB" brand eggs) omlete w/yellow,
> > red, green peppers, mushrooms, sesame seeds, black pepper,
> > red chili peppers, sea salt, and just a touch of cheddar
> > cheese, some paparika, salsa ("Sadie Sauce") and a bunch
> > of fresh parsley tossed on top.
> >
> > On the side: Organic black beans straight from the can,
> > handful of almonds, a few dried apricots and sour
> > cherries, leftover baked potato slices w/dab of yogurt.
> >
> > Drink: "Simply Orange" brand juice (high pulp, in a
> > plastic bottle) blended with a couple handfuls of fresh
> > spinich. (This frothy green drink is sublime!)
> > ---
> > Lunch: Amy's brand lentil soup, a fresh pomegranate and a
> > slice of my wife's home-made apple pie (her pie has
> > whole-wheat crust, fresh apples and uses Rapadura sugar.
> > It's just phenomenal!)
> >
> > Drink: Glass of soy milk
> > ---
> > Snack: pumpkin seeds, green tea
> >
> > Dinner: A hamburger using organic, range-free ground beef
> > on two slices of Pepperidge Farms 100% whole wheat bread,
> > mustard & ketchup, romaine lettuce, handful of cherry
> > tomatos, steamed asparagus and a baked sweet potato.
> >
> > Drink: glass of cow milk
> > --
> > Snack: two squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar & cup
> > of peppermint tea

> breakfast. 2 to 3 real eggs, fried over-easy or nearly
> hardboiled or poached. couple of pieces of bacon and/or
> sausage. one piece rye bread toast with lots of butter. tea
> with no sugar & a bit of whole milk.

Where do you get your rye bread?

> Lunch. may be home-made beef bologna sandwich on rye bread.
> or made-from-scratch chicken soup.

Are there noodles in your soup? If so, what type?

> could be home-made chili. whatever I chose to make. maybe an
> omelet wirh real eggs sauteed in butter. maybe roast chicken
> or roast beef leftovers. a boiled dinner similar to irish
> boiled dinner.

> supper. may be chicken, pork, beef, seafood, prepared in any
> of a variety of ways. I get my meat from a fellow who gets
> it directly from the local farmers. or sometimes I'll buy
> directly from the producer myself.

All of your meat is purchased from them? What sort of prices
are you paying? How much per pound?

> always fresh veggies. fresh herbs from my garden. moderate
> amounts potatoes mashed in rich cream and butter, etc.

Do you eat sweet potatos? They're awesome baked!

> Ribs, wings, steaks, chops, whole chickens, real bacon,
> reals pork sausage. I saute foods in copious amounts of pork
> fat (lard) or butter, or sometimes extra virgin olive oil.
> Pork fat rules, man.

> snacks- home made salsa and corn chips, kielbasa sausage,
> ham & egg on
> 1/2 corn fajita, any of a variety of cheeses (full fat),
> pickles, etc Real full fat ice CREAM, the real deal.

My issue is for all the fat you're eating you could be eating
eat TONS more fruits and veggies. (In volume I probably eat 5
times more than you do. And beside added muscle mass, I
haven't gained a pound since high school 20+ years ago.)

Let me suggust you read "The Color Code" -- ISBN #
0-7868-6721-3.

Please check it out... we all can never learn enough/see
enough view points.

> Nothing from a box. nothing with a food label. All fresh and
> all home-made or nearly so.

We don't have that sort of extra time, but we bake and cook a
lot. The box stuff we buy I make sure it has a short list of
ingrediants.

> No added sugars,

I love honey & maple syrup!

> no margarine, no shortening, NO SOY, no high fructose corn
> syrup softdrinks,

I haven't had a softdrink in 20 years.

> no wheat flour, no RTE cereals, no pasta,

I love my whole grains! I regularly eat 7-8 different types --
buckwheat (technically not one, but..), spelt, amarath, wheat,
rice, corn, quinoa, oats, barley.

> no white bread, no canola oil, no McDonalds.

I hate McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, etc. Haven't eaten in one
in 20+ years.

> I've lost 20 lbs and the wife over 40 lbs. eating this way
> and my families prescriptions went from over $1000 per year
> to ZERO dollars per year. From a dozen medical visits to
> virtually zero visits. I've never felt better, never had so
> much energy and no longer suffer from IBS and
> anxiety/depression as well as infections and colds. How
> sweet it is to be realy healthy. My cholesterol and blood
> sugars are bang on normal.

Same deal here. I can do things, that genetically I shouldn't
be able to do. I was never an athlete growing up, but now at
43 I can/do kick the crap out of folks half my age in strength
and endurance events. If only I had eaten this way growing up!

Patrick