Davide
Thu, Nov-23-06, 06:15
I'm quoting montygram:
> Go to usda.gov, I think (I'm not on the computer that has it
> bookmarked), for the searchable database. They give a
> breakdown of all components in common foods, as well as some
> not so common foods. The study I cited makes a good point,
> which is that if what we've been told about how "bad"
> "saturated fats" are, these southeast Asian atoll people
> should be dropping dead of heart attacks like flies, but
> they have almost no heart attacks on their native diets,
> even with high choleterol levels. What is the difference
> between an American who eats chicken and fish and turkey
> instead of pork and beef? Not much in terms of saturated
> fatty acid consumption, relative to peoples who eat coconut
> and palm kernel oil as dietary staples. The evidence, when
> looked at as a whole, points to free radical damage from the
> unsaturated fatty acids,
But if one had to use your same argument then: "which is that
if what you've been telling us about how "bad" unsaturated
fats are, then populations of nuts eaters and fish eaters
should be dropping of heart attacks like flies
Examples like the Kitawans or the Okinawans A study found that
the consumption of unsaturated fats of okiwanas is very high,
their consumption of EFA is very high and consumption of fish
is 37 times greater than americans' Yet they have one of the
lowest heart disease and oxidative stress rate and the highest
longevity world wide
It seems to me that the "whole food" argument contradict what
you've been saying You seem to claim that unsaturated fats are
bad per se and they're better avoided You say that science
backs this up
But you'll see that science back this up only as long as you
observe the effects of consuming unsaturated fats as
processed, distilled, long-stored and overcooked foods
But sciences doesn't back this up as far as whole foods rich
in unsaturated fats are concerned In other words massive
consumption of nuts, seeds, fish and fatty foods like olive
and avocados have never been shown to have adverse effects or
to cause oxidative stress
You said you're trying to avoid all EFA and that EFA are bad?
But why?! As long as you don't take EFA from processed oils
and you just eat food like fish and nuts (like the Okinawans
do) they won't increase your oxidative stress rare or increase
your risk of heart disease
And as long as one eats greens, fish, nuts in their whole food
state you can't avoid EFA Even eating nothing but lettuce
would provide you the 1-2 g of EFA one is supposed to need
Also I think the problem of oxidization is better treated with
diets high in fruits and vegetables. Many studies showed that
the best way to lower oxidative stress was to increase the
consumption of green, veggies and fruits ... more than
removing this or that from the diet
Davide
> Go to usda.gov, I think (I'm not on the computer that has it
> bookmarked), for the searchable database. They give a
> breakdown of all components in common foods, as well as some
> not so common foods. The study I cited makes a good point,
> which is that if what we've been told about how "bad"
> "saturated fats" are, these southeast Asian atoll people
> should be dropping dead of heart attacks like flies, but
> they have almost no heart attacks on their native diets,
> even with high choleterol levels. What is the difference
> between an American who eats chicken and fish and turkey
> instead of pork and beef? Not much in terms of saturated
> fatty acid consumption, relative to peoples who eat coconut
> and palm kernel oil as dietary staples. The evidence, when
> looked at as a whole, points to free radical damage from the
> unsaturated fatty acids,
But if one had to use your same argument then: "which is that
if what you've been telling us about how "bad" unsaturated
fats are, then populations of nuts eaters and fish eaters
should be dropping of heart attacks like flies
Examples like the Kitawans or the Okinawans A study found that
the consumption of unsaturated fats of okiwanas is very high,
their consumption of EFA is very high and consumption of fish
is 37 times greater than americans' Yet they have one of the
lowest heart disease and oxidative stress rate and the highest
longevity world wide
It seems to me that the "whole food" argument contradict what
you've been saying You seem to claim that unsaturated fats are
bad per se and they're better avoided You say that science
backs this up
But you'll see that science back this up only as long as you
observe the effects of consuming unsaturated fats as
processed, distilled, long-stored and overcooked foods
But sciences doesn't back this up as far as whole foods rich
in unsaturated fats are concerned In other words massive
consumption of nuts, seeds, fish and fatty foods like olive
and avocados have never been shown to have adverse effects or
to cause oxidative stress
You said you're trying to avoid all EFA and that EFA are bad?
But why?! As long as you don't take EFA from processed oils
and you just eat food like fish and nuts (like the Okinawans
do) they won't increase your oxidative stress rare or increase
your risk of heart disease
And as long as one eats greens, fish, nuts in their whole food
state you can't avoid EFA Even eating nothing but lettuce
would provide you the 1-2 g of EFA one is supposed to need
Also I think the problem of oxidization is better treated with
diets high in fruits and vegetables. Many studies showed that
the best way to lower oxidative stress was to increase the
consumption of green, veggies and fruits ... more than
removing this or that from the diet
Davide