No Caffeine Before Exercising! HUH??

[Jack]

According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a study
found that when healthy people exercised after ingesting 200
mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups' worth-- blood flow to
their hearts decreased by 22% (39% when breathing
oxygen-deprived air that simulated high altitude or the
degenerative effects of heart disease). The study's lead
researcher said that people with heart disease who consume 200
mg of more probably should not exercise for at least five
hours, the time it takes for about half the caffeine to leave
the bloodstream.

WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??

Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin exercise,
not from coffee, but from three diet Dr. Peppers, a total of
about 125 mg.

[TheAmazing]

Jack wrote:
> According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a study
> found that when healthy people exercised after ingesting 200
> mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups' worth-- blood flow to
> their hearts decreased by 22% (39% when breathing
> oxygen-deprived air that simulated high altitude or the
> degenerative effects of heart disease). The study's lead
> researcher said that people with heart disease who consume
> 200 mg of more probably should not exercise for at least
> five hours, the time it takes for about half the caffeine to
> leave the bloodstream.
>
> WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??
>
> Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin exercise,
> not from coffee, but from three diet Dr. Peppers, a total of
> about 125 mg.

I believe what they are trying to get across, is that if your
blood flow decreases by 22%, or more, you will be getting a
"lower" cardiovascular workout.

Without reading the report, I would want to know if they had
sugar in the coffee?

Also different people have different physiology, so you might
have very little (or no) CV lessening. A relatively sure way
to tell, is do one exercise set on three different days, use
caffine before hand, and take your blood pressure and pulse.
Average them together, then do the same without caffine , and
compare the results.

[TheAmazing]

Jack wrote:
> On 29 Oct 2006 08:30:46 -0800,
> TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Jack wrote:
> >> According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a
> >> study found that when healthy people exercised after
> >> ingesting 200 mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups'
> >> worth-- blood flow to their hearts decreased by 22% (39%
> >> when breathing oxygen-deprived air that simulated high
> >> altitude or the degenerative effects of heart disease).
> >> The study's lead researcher said that people with heart
> >> disease who consume 200 mg of more probably should not
> >> exercise for at least five hours, the time it takes for
> >> about half the caffeine to leave the bloodstream.
> >>
> >> WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??
> >>
> >> Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin
> >> exercise, not from coffee, but from three diet Dr.
> >> Peppers, a total of about 125 mg.
> >
> >I believe what they are trying to get across, is that if
> >your blood flow decreases by 22%, or more, you will be
> >getting a "lower" cardiovascular workout.
> >
> >Without reading the report, I would want to know if they
> >had sugar in the coffee?
>
> They used caffeine tablets, 200 mg., and then sent to
> exercise.
>
> >Also different people have different physiology, so you
> >might have very little (or no) CV lessening. A relatively
> >sure way to tell, is do one exercise set on three different
> >days, use caffine before hand, and take your blood pressure
> >and pulse. Average them together, then do the same without
> >caffine , and compare the results.
>
> In the 50s, many in the medical community believed that
> caffeine was a risk factor in CHD. In recent years, this
> belief has been considered a myth, but then along comes
> this study.

Did they consider it a risk factor for the cause of CHD, or a
risk factor for an event in CHD?

This study shows it is likely to be a risk factor for an
event. So it might not be a risk factor for a cause of CHD.

[TheAmazing]

Jack wrote:
> On 29 Oct 2006 16:33:13 -0800,
> TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Jack wrote:
> >> On 29 Oct 2006 08:30:46 -0800, TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jack wrote:
> >> >> According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a
> >> >> study found that when healthy people exercised after
> >> >> ingesting 200 mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups'
> >> >> worth-- blood flow to their hearts decreased by 22%
> >> >> (39% when breathing oxygen-deprived air that simulated
> >> >> high altitude or the degenerative effects of heart
> >> >> disease). The study's lead researcher said that people
> >> >> with heart disease who consume 200 mg of more probably
> >> >> should not exercise for at least five hours, the time
> >> >> it takes for about half the caffeine to leave the
> >> >> bloodstream.
> >> >>
> >> >> WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??
> >> >>
> >> >> Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin
> >> >> exercise, not from coffee, but from three diet Dr.
> >> >> Peppers, a total of about 125 mg.
> >> >
> >> >I believe what they are trying to get across, is that if
> >> >your blood flow decreases by 22%, or more, you will be
> >> >getting a "lower" cardiovascular workout.
> >> >
> >> >Without reading the report, I would want to know if they
> >> >had sugar in the coffee?
> >>
> >> They used caffeine tablets, 200 mg., and then sent to
> >> exercise.
> >>
> >> >Also different people have different physiology, so you
> >> >might have very little (or no) CV lessening. A
> >> >relatively sure way to tell, is do one exercise set on
> >> >three different days, use caffine before hand, and take
> >> >your blood pressure and pulse. Average them together,
> >> >then do the same without caffine , and compare the
> >> >results.
> >>
> >> In the 50s, many in the medical community believed that
> >> caffeine was a risk factor in CHD. In recent years, this
> >> belief has been considered a myth, but then along comes
> >> this study.
> >
> >Did they consider it a risk factor for the cause of CHD, or
> >a risk factor for an event in CHD?
> >
> >This study shows it is likely to be a risk factor for an
> >event. So it might not be a risk factor for a cause of CHD.
>
> Doctor to my father, circa 1957: "You keep drinking those 21
> cups of coffee a day, you'll have a heart attack before
> you're 40!!!"

Well if he were drinking 21 cups a day I think the lack of
sleep would have killed him long before a heart attack
would.....:)

[Jack]

On 29 Oct 2006 08:30:46 -0800, TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com
wrote:

>
>Jack wrote:
>> According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a
>> study found that when healthy people exercised after
>> ingesting 200 mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups'
>> worth-- blood flow to their hearts decreased by 22% (39%
>> when breathing oxygen-deprived air that simulated high
>> altitude or the degenerative effects of heart disease). The
>> study's lead researcher said that people with heart disease
>> who consume 200 mg of more probably should not exercise for
>> at least five hours, the time it takes for about half the
>> caffeine to leave the bloodstream.
>>
>> WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??
>>
>> Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin
>> exercise, not from coffee, but from three diet Dr. Peppers,
>> a total of about 125 mg.
>
>I believe what they are trying to get across, is that if your
>blood flow decreases by 22%, or more, you will be getting a
>"lower" cardiovascular workout.
>
>Without reading the report, I would want to know if they had
>sugar in the coffee?

They used caffeine tablets, 200 mg., and then sent to
exercise.

>Also different people have different physiology, so you might
>have very little (or no) CV lessening. A relatively sure way
>to tell, is do one exercise set on three different days, use
>caffine before hand, and take your blood pressure and pulse.
>Average them together, then do the same without caffine , and
>compare the results.

In the 50s, many in the medical community believed that
caffeine was a risk factor in CHD. In recent years, this
belief has been considered a myth, but then along comes
this study.

[Jack]

On 29 Oct 2006 16:33:13 -0800, TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com
wrote:

>
>Jack wrote:
>> On 29 Oct 2006 08:30:46 -0800,
>> TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jack wrote:
>> >> According to Nov 2006 "Consumers Reports On Health," a
>> >> study found that when healthy people exercised after
>> >> ingesting 200 mg of caffeine--about two coffee cups'
>> >> worth-- blood flow to their hearts decreased by 22% (39%
>> >> when breathing oxygen-deprived air that simulated high
>> >> altitude or the degenerative effects of heart disease).
>> >> The study's lead researcher said that people with heart
>> >> disease who consume 200 mg of more probably should not
>> >> exercise for at least five hours, the time it takes for
>> >> about half the caffeine to leave the bloodstream.
>> >>
>> >> WTF?? What about people without signs of CV disease??
>> >>
>> >> Hell, I purposely use caffeine as a boost to begin
>> >> exercise, not from coffee, but from three diet Dr.
>> >> Peppers, a total of about 125 mg.
>> >
>> >I believe what they are trying to get across, is that if
>> >your blood flow decreases by 22%, or more, you will be
>> >getting a "lower" cardiovascular workout.
>> >
>> >Without reading the report, I would want to know if they
>> >had sugar in the coffee?
>>
>> They used caffeine tablets, 200 mg., and then sent to
>> exercise.
>>
>> >Also different people have different physiology, so you
>> >might have very little (or no) CV lessening. A relatively
>> >sure way to tell, is do one exercise set on three
>> >different days, use caffine before hand, and take your
>> >blood pressure and pulse. Average them together, then do
>> >the same without caffine , and compare the results.
>>
>> In the 50s, many in the medical community believed that
>> caffeine was a risk factor in CHD. In recent years, this
>> belief has been considered a myth, but then along comes
>> this study.
>
>Did they consider it a risk factor for the cause of CHD, or a
>risk factor for an event in CHD?
>
>This study shows it is likely to be a risk factor for an
>event. So it might not be a risk factor for a cause of CHD.

Doctor to my father, circa 1957: "You keep drinking those 21
cups of coffee a day, you'll have a heart attack before
you're 40!!!"