Please explain why you call it "BS" [was Re: Saturated Triglycerides of Butter Can Cause Sharp Chest

[Radium]

TC wrote in http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology-
/msg/b20fa385b92b5f14?hl=en&
:
> 100% pure BS.
>
> TC
>
> Radium wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic
> > activity causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides
> > with all three attached fatty acids being saturated] to be
> > deposited in the heart's blood vessels. This can lead to
> > an angina or MI.
> >
> > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
> >
> > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the obvious
> > fact that MI is much more severe than an angina. MIs are
> > usually much more painful than anginas.
> >
> > Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
> > shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
> > However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more intense
> > than the pain caused by an angina because more A-delta
> > nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI than in an
> > angina.
> >
> > When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
> > cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood
> > supply. That starvation of heart tissue result in
> > stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a
> > shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's
> > compact bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage
> > lines of unions. It feels as if those bones have "holes
> > being cracked into them".
> >
> > With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
> > fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
> > nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
> > in less than a minute.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
> >
> > If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in
> > the hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and
> > 5th cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are
> > stimulated by the injurious complications of saturated
> > butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain
> > would result in the following fatal conditions:
> >
> > In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
> > constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
> > contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
> > nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
> > effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
> > normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the
> > heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not
> > be strong enough to be felt by anything other than an
> > extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would sky-rocket to
> > almost 500 beats per minute.
> >
> > Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic
> > spasticity [much like the heart and blood vessels]. The
> > peristalsis would be extremely rapid but so weak that the
> > movement of GI contents ceases.
> >
> > Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
> >
> > http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
> >
> > Quotes from the above site:
> >
> > "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or
> > temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces the
> > acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
> >
> > "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
> > painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or
> > metabolic factors. The pain produced is slow, burning, and
> > long lasting."
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Radium

How is it BS? Please Explain.

[none]

Radium,

I agree. 100% BS. This is nonsense. Many people eat saturated
3Gs and have no problems.

Can the spam.

none

On 30 Sep 2006 17:20:01 -0700, "Radium"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>
>TC wrote in http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiolog-
>y/msg/b20fa385b92b5f14?hl=en&
>:
>> 100% pure BS.
>>
>> TC
>>
>> Radium wrote:
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic
>> > activity causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides
>> > with all three attached fatty acids being saturated] to
>> > be deposited in the heart's blood vessels. This can lead
>> > to an angina or MI.
>> >
>> > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
>> >
>> > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
>> > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the
>> > obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an angina.
>> > MIs are usually much more painful than anginas.
>> >
>> > Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
>> > shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
>> > However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more intense
>> > than the pain caused by an angina because more A-delta
>> > nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI than in an
>> > angina.
>> >
>> > When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
>> > cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood
>> > supply. That starvation of heart tissue result in
>> > stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a
>> > shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's
>> > compact bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage
>> > lines of unions. It feels as if those bones have "holes
>> > being cracked into them".
>> >
>> > With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
>> > fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
>> > nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
>> > in less than a minute.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
>> >
>> > If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in
>> > the hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and
>> > 5th cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are
>> > stimulated by the injurious complications of saturated
>> > butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain
>> > would result in the following fatal conditions:
>> >
>> > In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
>> > constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
>> > contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
>> > nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
>> > effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
>> > normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak,
>> > the heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat
>> > would not be strong enough to be felt by anything other
>> > than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would
>> > sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute.
>> >
>> > Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of
>> > tonic spasticity [much like the heart and blood vessels].
>> > The peristalsis would be extremely rapid but so weak that
>> > the movement of GI contents ceases.
>> >
>> > Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
>> >
>> > http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
>> >
>> > Quotes from the above site:
>> >
>> > "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli
>> > or temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces
>> > the acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
>> >
>> > "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
>> > painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or
>> > metabolic factors. The pain produced is slow, burning,
>> > and long lasting."
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Radium
>
>How is it BS? Please Explain.

[Radium]

none@none.net wrote:
> Radium,
>
> I agree.

Okay.

>100% BS. This is nonsense.

How so?

> Many people eat saturated 3Gs and have no problems.

A sufficient amount of saturated 3Gs with a sufficient amount
of non-exercise will still lead to the conditions that I
described.

Ask any MI/angina patient. He/she will tell you of the
sharpness of pain [s]he felt in his/her mid-sternum during the
MI/angina.

> Can the spam.
>
> none

[Ralphrepo]

>>On 30 Sep 2006 17:20:01 -0700, "Radium"
>><glucegen1@excite.com> wrote: snip
>>
>> > In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
>> > constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
>> > contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
>> > nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
>> > effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
>> > normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak,
>> > the heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat
>> > would not be strong enough to be felt by anything other
>> > than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would
>> > sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute. Radium
>How is it BS? Please Explain.

The above is obviously written by someone who desperately
wants to sound like a nurse or doctor, but is obviously
neither. A little bit of knowledge may make you sound
intelligent to the lay person. But talk to real doctors or
nurses and you sound like what you really are; a fool.

Ralph

[monty1945]

Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated fatty
acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also usually eat
an average of one boiled egg a day, so there's plenty of
cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen all of my
"chronic" health problems vanish, and I had plenty of them,
with the exception of tendonosis of the shoulder, which
vanished after I began to eat considerably larger amounts of
protein (from the same sources) - it took about 3 months, at
most. If anyone wants to take me up on an experimental
challenge, in which we will feed one group of animals 25%
canola and fish oil and another group 25% butter (of my
choice, prepared the way I want it to be), then let us make
our determination. If the butter group lives, on average, to
the same age as the canola/fish group (or longer), then you
must pay for all expenses. If not, I will pay for all
expenses. No added antioxidants are allowed - just a basic
vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the carb/protein
amounts considered appopriate for the species.

[Rick Morri]

On 10/1/06 7:52 AM, in article
i9evh29t2vvd3s40jt72v1811ebffrqhg2@4ax.com, "RalphRepo"
<Alice.BangZoom@Moon> wrote:

>>> On 30 Sep 2006 17:20:01 -0700, "Radium"
>>> <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote: snip
>>>
>>>> In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
>>>> constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
>>>> contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
>>>> nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
>>>> effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
>>>> normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak,
>>>> the heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat
>>>> would not be strong enough to be felt by anything other
>>>> than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would
>>>> sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute. Radium
>> How is it BS? Please Explain.
>
> The above is obviously written by someone who desperately
> wants to sound like a nurse or doctor, but is obviously
> neither. A little bit of knowledge may make you sound
> intelligent to the lay person. But talk to real doctors or
> nurses and you sound like what you really are; a fool.
>
> Ralph
>
>
Well said Ralph. Sounds more like poorly researched sci-fi
than anything else. If they had added some sex, I would have
suspected a Gray's Anatomy viewer.

[none]

Radium,

You are just plain stupid if you believe this BS about 3Gs and
chest pain. There is research showing individuals who
figuratively eat tons of butter, lard and other high 3G foods,
who have not one piece of coronary artery with any plaques.

THEREFORE,

CAN THE SPAM. VERIFY WHAT YOU SAY.

none

On 30 Sep 2006 19:49:04 -0700, "Radium"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>
>none@none.net wrote:
>> Radium,
>>
>> I agree.
>
>Okay.
>
>>100% BS. This is nonsense.
>
>How so?
>
>> Many people eat saturated 3Gs and have no problems.
>
>A sufficient amount of saturated 3Gs with a sufficient amount
>of non-exercise will still lead to the conditions that I
>described.
>
>Ask any MI/angina patient. He/she will tell you of the
>sharpness of pain [s]he felt in his/her mid-sternum during
>the MI/angina.
>
>> Can the spam.
>>
>> none

[Bluebeard]

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1159720975.709290.38010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated fatty
> acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also usually
> eat an average of one boiled egg a day, so there's plenty of
> cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen all of my
> "chronic" health problems vanish, and I had plenty of them,
> with the exception of tendonosis of the shoulder, which
> vanished after I began to eat considerably larger amounts of
> protein (from the same sources) - it took about 3 months, at
> most. If anyone wants to take me up on an experimental
> challenge, in which we will feed one group of animals 25%
> canola and fish oil and another group 25% butter (of my
> choice, prepared the way I want it to be), then let us make
> our determination. If the butter group lives, on average, to
> the same age as the canola/fish group (or longer), then you
> must pay for all expenses. If not, I will pay for all
> expenses. No added antioxidants are allowed - just a basic
> vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the carb/protein
> amounts considered appopriate for the species.
>

No need, I agree with you. (this is for Radium), Just look at
the average French diet and stats.

bb

========================

'get the CrashCart' http://www.rncrashcart.com
========================

[Radium]

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
> Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated fatty
> acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also usually
> eat an average of one boiled egg a day, so there's plenty of
> cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen all of my
> "chronic" health problems vanish, and I had plenty of them,
> with the exception of tendonosis of the shoulder, which
> vanished after I began to eat considerably larger amounts of
> protein (from the same sources) - it took about 3 months, at
> most. If anyone wants to take me up on an experimental
> challenge, in which we will feed one group of animals 25%
> canola and fish oil and another group 25% butter (of my
> choice, prepared the way I want it to be), then let us make
> our determination. If the butter group lives, on average, to
> the same age as the canola/fish group (or longer), then you
> must pay for all expenses. If not, I will pay for all
> expenses. No added antioxidants are allowed - just a basic
> vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the carb/protein
> amounts considered appopriate for the species.

Butter will cause a lot less injury in a physically-active
subject than in a sedentary one. Chances are, you regularly
take part in vigorous aerobic activities for more than an
hour per day.

[Radium]

BlueBeard wrote:
> <monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:1159720975.709290.38010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated
> > fatty acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also
> > usually eat an average of one boiled egg a day, so there's
> > plenty of cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen
> > all of my "chronic" health problems vanish, and I had
> > plenty of them, with the exception of tendonosis of the
> > shoulder, which vanished after I began to eat considerably
> > larger amounts of protein (from the same sources) - it
> > took about 3 months, at most. If anyone wants to take me
> > up on an experimental challenge, in which we will feed one
> > group of animals 25% canola and fish oil and another group
> > 25% butter (of my choice, prepared the way I want it to
> > be), then let us make our determination. If the butter
> > group lives, on average, to the same age as the
> > canola/fish group (or longer), then you must pay for all
> > expenses. If not, I will pay for all expenses. No added
> > antioxidants are allowed - just a basic vitamin/mineral
> > supplement, along with the carb/protein amounts considered
> > appopriate for the species.
> >
>
> No need, I agree with you. (this is for Radium), Just look
> at the average French diet and stats.
>
> bb
>
> ========================
>
> 'get the CrashCart' http://www.rncrashcart.com
> ========================

Many of the French are physically active so they burn off the
saturated triglyercides from the butter they eat

[Tc]

Radium wrote:
> BlueBeard wrote:
> > <monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message news:1159720975.70-
> > 9290.38010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > > Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated
> > > fatty acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also
> > > usually eat an average of one boiled egg a day, so
> > > there's plenty of cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I
> > > have seen all of my "chronic" health problems vanish,
> > > and I had plenty of them, with the exception of
> > > tendonosis of the shoulder, which vanished after I began
> > > to eat considerably larger amounts of protein (from the
> > > same sources) - it took about 3 months, at most. If
> > > anyone wants to take me up on an experimental challenge,
> > > in which we will feed one group of animals 25% canola
> > > and fish oil and another group 25% butter (of my choice,
> > > prepared the way I want it to be), then let us make our
> > > determination. If the butter group lives, on average, to
> > > the same age as the canola/fish group (or longer), then
> > > you must pay for all expenses. If not, I will pay for
> > > all expenses. No added antioxidants are allowed - just a
> > > basic vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the
> > > carb/protein amounts considered appopriate for the
> > > species.
> > >
> >
> > No need, I agree with you. (this is for Radium), Just look
> > at the average French diet and stats.
> >
> > bb
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > 'get the CrashCart' http://www.rncrashcart.com
> > ========================
>
> Many of the French are physically active so they burn off
> the saturated triglyercides from the butter they eat

The typical or classic french diet includes the best quality
foods (ie. the freshest and best grown) available. Bought
daily and prepared right away. Jam packed with tons of animal
fats including lard, tallow, duxk fat, chicken fat, real
full-fat creams, milk and butter. And the classic french diet
does not include massive amounts of high fructrose corn syrup,
overly processed RTE cereals, margarine and hydrogenated
vegetable oils.

And they are not all "physically active", or not any more so
than any other group like americans or italians or greeks etc.

The "butter is evil" concept is pure BS.

TC

[Max C.]

Radium wrote:
> monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
> > Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated
> > fatty acids - butter is a primary source of them. I also
> > usually eat an average of one boiled egg a day, so there's
> > plenty of cholesterol (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen
> > all of my "chronic" health problems vanish, and I had
> > plenty of them, with the exception of tendonosis of the
> > shoulder, which vanished after I began to eat considerably
> > larger amounts of protein (from the same sources) - it
> > took about 3 months, at most. If anyone wants to take me
> > up on an experimental challenge, in which we will feed one
> > group of animals 25% canola and fish oil and another group
> > 25% butter (of my choice, prepared the way I want it to
> > be), then let us make our determination. If the butter
> > group lives, on average, to the same age as the
> > canola/fish group (or longer), then you must pay for all
> > expenses. If not, I will pay for all expenses. No added
> > antioxidants are allowed - just a basic vitamin/mineral
> > supplement, along with the carb/protein amounts considered
> > appopriate for the species.
>
> Butter will cause a lot less injury in a physically-active
> subject than in a sedentary one. Chances are, you regularly
> take part in vigorous aerobic activities for more than an
> hour per day.

If you're going to make a blanket statement like this, you
really need to provide evidence. I'm not all that active, I
eat a ton of butter AND I get raw milk right from the farm
with full butter fat. The farmer says his milk ranges from
about 4.5% to 6% butter fat. I have seen nothing but positive
changes in my health since switching to this diet.

Max.

[Radium]

TC wrote:
> Radium wrote:
> > BlueBeard wrote:
> > > <monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message news:1159720975.-
> > > 709290.38010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in saturated
> > > > fatty acids - butter is a primary source of them. I
> > > > also usually eat an average of one boiled egg a day,
> > > > so there's plenty of cholesterol (non-oxidized) as
> > > > well. I have seen all of my "chronic" health problems
> > > > vanish, and I had plenty of them, with the exception
> > > > of tendonosis of the shoulder, which vanished after I
> > > > began to eat considerably larger amounts of protein
> > > > (from the same sources) - it took about 3 months, at
> > > > most. If anyone wants to take me up on an experimental
> > > > challenge, in which we will feed one group of animals
> > > > 25% canola and fish oil and another group 25% butter
> > > > (of my choice, prepared the way I want it to be), then
> > > > let us make our determination. If the butter group
> > > > lives, on average, to the same age as the canola/fish
> > > > group (or longer), then you must pay for all expenses.
> > > > If not, I will pay for all expenses. No added
> > > > antioxidants are allowed - just a basic
> > > > vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the
> > > > carb/protein amounts considered appopriate for the
> > > > species.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No need, I agree with you. (this is for Radium), Just
> > > look at the average French diet and stats.
> > >
> > > bb
> > >
> > > ========================
> > >
> > > 'get the CrashCart' http://www.rncrashcart.com
> > > ========================
> >
> > Many of the French are physically active so they burn off
> > the saturated triglyercides from the butter they eat
>

> The typical or classic french diet includes the best quality
> foods (ie. the freshest and best grown) available. Bought
> daily and prepared right away. Jam packed with tons of
> animal fats including lard, tallow, duxk fat, chicken fat,
> real full-fat creams, milk and butter. And the classic
> french diet does not include massive amounts of high
> fructrose corn syrup, overly processed RTE cereals,
> margarine and hydrogenated vegetable oils.

Margarine is worse for overall health than butter. I totally
agree there. Its just that the mechanism of damage is
different. Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that
leads to strokes and MIs. So yes, margarine is even worse
than butter.

However, margarine does not cause those shooting chest pains
that butter does.

Butter tastes so much better than margarine. Margarine stinks
like human kakaa!

> And they are not all "physically active", or not any more
> so than any other group like americans or italians or
> greeks etc.
>
> The "butter is evil" concept is pure BS.
>
> TC

IMHO, margarine is evil. Butter is good but it is
sharply painful.

I don't mind experiencing those sharp sternal pains. Thats why
my diet is filled with butter. Sure it hurts, but I simply
don't mind, at times I might enjoy the shooting pains.

I love the taste of butter regardless of what it does to my
sternal nerves. I hate margarine and hydrogenated fats.

I love butter and cream. In fact, I'd much rather use
butter/cream than those stinky hydrogenated-veggie oil
products they sell at the store.

Piece of advice: do NOT eat krispy-creme doughnuts. They have
no cream or butter in them at all. They use kakaa-stinky
vegetable oil in their doughnuts, then they deep-fry them in
the oil!!!! Talk about disgusting. Most importantly, they are
grossly over-priced!!!!!!!!!!

I once entered krispy creme shop and the odor of the
hydrogenated vegetable oil made me puke.

WTF do these desserts/sweets factories have to use veggie
oil?? Why don't they just use butter and cream in their
products instead?? Sure it will produce sharp pain in sternum
but who cares? Its much better than the stink of margarine and
the diarrhea that following the comsumption of margarine.

I hate non-dairy whipped toppings. They stink badly! Boycott
them!!!!!!!

Hydrogenated vegetable oils cause fates much worse than MIs
or anginae.

I use butter on everything. For all meals. In the morning I
drink coffee with heavy cream instead of milk.

Food would be totally unappetizing without butter/cream.

[Ralphrepo]

>On 2 Oct 2006 22:27:01 -0700, "Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com>
>wrote: IMHO, margarine is evil. Butter is good but it is
>sharply painful. I don't mind experiencing those sharp
>sternal pains. Thats why my diet is filled with butter. Sure
>it hurts, but I simply don't mind, at times I might enjoy the
>shooting pains. <snip>

LOL... Most people who experience angina would go immediately
to an emergency room, but not this fellow. He's too smart for
that. And I loved the following:

"...Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that leads to
strokes and MIs." Ooo... sounding like a genuine nurse or
doctor again, really tres' cool there buddy. ROTFLMAO!

You wannabe's should do yourselves a favor; wise up and stop
posting into the nursing and medicine forums where real,
licensed, practicing professionals reside. You've become a
"Whack-a-mole" at first, and as time wore on, you're annoying.
However, the disinformation that you're spreading is
dangerous, and you should stop.

Ralph

[Manky Badg]

"Radium" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1159853221.840587.24990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that leads to
> strokes and MIs. So yes, margarine is even worse than
> butter.
>
> However, margarine does not cause those shooting chest pains
> that butter does.

Could you provide some evidence to back up these claims?

[Tc]

Look "Radium", you are an abject idiot and you know next to
nothing about butter, about margarine and about clogged or
clotted arteries. You are guessing and hoping that your very
tiny bit of knowledge is anywhere near being even remotely
correct. Go see a doctor. Every time you open your mouth you
prove your ignorance.

TC

Radium wrote:
> TC wrote:
> > Radium wrote:
> > > BlueBeard wrote:
> > > > <monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message news:115972097-
> > > > 5.709290.38010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > Since 2001 I have eaten a diet very rich in
> > > > > saturated fatty acids - butter is a primary source
> > > > > of them. I also usually eat an average of one boiled
> > > > > egg a day, so there's plenty of cholesterol
> > > > > (non-oxidized) as well. I have seen all of my
> > > > > "chronic" health problems vanish, and I had plenty
> > > > > of them, with the exception of tendonosis of the
> > > > > shoulder, which vanished after I began to eat
> > > > > considerably larger amounts of protein (from the
> > > > > same sources) - it took about 3 months, at most. If
> > > > > anyone wants to take me up on an experimental
> > > > > challenge, in which we will feed one group of
> > > > > animals 25% canola and fish oil and another group
> > > > > 25% butter (of my choice, prepared the way I want it
> > > > > to be), then let us make our determination. If the
> > > > > butter group lives, on average, to the same age as
> > > > > the canola/fish group (or longer), then you must pay
> > > > > for all expenses. If not, I will pay for all
> > > > > expenses. No added antioxidants are allowed - just a
> > > > > basic vitamin/mineral supplement, along with the
> > > > > carb/protein amounts considered appopriate for the
> > > > > species.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No need, I agree with you. (this is for Radium), Just
> > > > look at the average French diet and stats.
> > > >
> > > > bb
> > > >
> > > > ========================
> > > >
> > > > 'get the CrashCart' http://www.rncrashcart.com
> > > > ========================
> > >
> > > Many of the French are physically active so they burn
> > > off the saturated triglyercides from the butter they eat
> >
>
> > The typical or classic french diet includes the best
> > quality foods (ie. the freshest and best grown) available.
> > Bought daily and prepared right away. Jam packed with tons
> > of animal fats including lard, tallow, duxk fat, chicken
> > fat, real full-fat creams, milk and butter. And the
> > classic french diet does not include massive amounts of
> > high fructrose corn syrup, overly processed RTE cereals,
> > margarine and hydrogenated vegetable oils.
>
> Margarine is worse for overall health than butter. I totally
> agree there. Its just that the mechanism of damage is
> different. Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that
> leads to strokes and MIs. So yes, margarine is even worse
> than butter.
>
> However, margarine does not cause those shooting chest pains
> that butter does.
>
> Butter tastes so much better than margarine. Margarine
> stinks like human kakaa!
>
> > And they are not all "physically active", or not any more
> > so than any other group like americans or italians or
> > greeks etc.
> >
> > The "butter is evil" concept is pure BS.
> >
> > TC
>
> IMHO, margarine is evil. Butter is good but it is sharply
> painful.
>
> I don't mind experiencing those sharp sternal pains.
> Thats why my diet is filled with butter. Sure it hurts,
> but I simply don't mind, at times I might enjoy the
> shooting pains.
>
> I love the taste of butter regardless of what it does to my
> sternal nerves. I hate margarine and hydrogenated fats.
>
> I love butter and cream. In fact, I'd much rather use
> butter/cream than those stinky hydrogenated-veggie oil
> products they sell at the store.
>
> Piece of advice: do NOT eat krispy-creme doughnuts. They
> have no cream or butter in them at all. They use
> kakaa-stinky vegetable oil in their doughnuts, then they
> deep-fry them in the oil!!!! Talk about disgusting. Most
> importantly, they are grossly over-priced!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I once entered krispy creme shop and the odor of the
> hydrogenated vegetable oil made me puke.
>
> WTF do these desserts/sweets factories have to use veggie
> oil?? Why don't they just use butter and cream in their
> products instead?? Sure it will produce sharp pain in
> sternum but who cares? Its much better than the stink of
> margarine and the diarrhea that following the comsumption of
> margarine.
>
> I hate non-dairy whipped toppings. They stink badly! Boycott
> them!!!!!!!
>
> Hydrogenated vegetable oils cause fates much worse than MIs
> or anginae.
>
> I use butter on everything. For all meals. In the morning I
> drink coffee with heavy cream instead of milk.
>
> Food would be totally unappetizing without butter/cream.

[Andrew Hee]

"Manky Badger" <you.must@be.joking> wrote ...
>> Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that leads to
>> strokes and MIs. So yes, margarine is even worse than
>> butter.
>>
>> However, margarine does not cause those shooting chest
>> pains that butter does.
>
> Could you provide some evidence to back up these claims?

Pul-lease! Don't feed the rats. Sorry, idiots, sorry TROLLS

[Manky Badg]

"Andrew Heenan" <andrew.heenan@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:7nUUg.316$aZ3.271@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
> "Manky Badger" <you.must@be.joking> wrote ...
>>> Margarine tends to result in arterial clots that leads to
>>> strokes and MIs. So yes, margarine is even worse than
>>> butter.
>>>
>>> However, margarine does not cause those shooting chest
>>> pains that butter does.
>>
>> Could you provide some evidence to back up these claims?
>
> Pul-lease! Don't feed the rats. Sorry, idiots, sorry TROLLS

You have to admit he's better than the average troll....
the one about what colour Superman's burns would be was
a classic !