Overeating?

[Kumar]

Hello,

"Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences) refers to
the actions or reactions of an object or organism, usually in
relation to the environment. Behavior can be conscious or
unconscious, overt or covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In
animals, behavior is controlled by the endocrine system and
the nervous system. The complexity of the behavior of an
organism is related to the complexity of its nervous system.
Generally, organisms with complex nervous systems have a
greater capacity to learn new responses and thus adjust their
behavior. Human behavior (and that of other organisms and
mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable, or
unacceptable. Humans evaluate the acceptablity of behavior
using social norms and regulate behavior by means of social
control[pressure]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"

The above link indicates that behaviour can be controlled
either by the endocrine system and the nervous system in
relation to the environment OR humans can also regulate
behavior by means of social norms/control/pressure.

In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or not, if
yes, whether overeating is controlled either by endocrine
system and the nervous system in relation to the environment
or by means of social norms/control/pressure?

An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic can get
hunger for eating more as not getting full energy either due
to insulin insentiveness or due to insulin needed
availability. This can be considered as "natural/pathological
reason" whereas if mediated due to social
reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc., it can be due to
social reason.

Which is really or more valid reason?

If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous system's
reasons for overeating behaviour in relation to the
environment/pathology?

Best wishes.

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences) refers to
> the actions or reactions of an object or organism, usually
> in relation to the environment. Behavior can be conscious or
> unconscious, overt or covert, and voluntary or involuntary.
> In animals, behavior is controlled by the endocrine system
> and the nervous system. The complexity of the behavior of an
> organism is related to the complexity of its nervous system.
> Generally, organisms with complex nervous systems have a
> greater capacity to learn new responses and thus adjust
> their behavior. Human behavior (and that of other organisms
> and mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable, or
> unacceptable. Humans evaluate the acceptablity of behavior
> using social norms and regulate behavior by means of social
> control[pressure]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
>
> The above link indicates that behaviour can be controlled
> either by the endocrine system and the nervous system in
> relation to the environment OR humans can also regulate
> behavior by means of social norms/control/pressure.
>
> In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or not,
> if yes, whether overeating is controlled either by endocrine
> system and the nervous system in relation to the environment
> or by means of social norms/control/pressure?
>
> An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic can get
> hunger for eating more as not getting full energy either due
> to insulin insentiveness or due to insulin needed
> availability. This can be considered as
> "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated due to
> social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc., it can
> be due to social reason.
>
> Which is really or more valid reason?
>
> If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous system's
> reasons for overeating behaviour in relation to the
> environment/pathology?

Overeating is a choice made using the free will that GOD has
generously given all souls including those belonging to fig
trees (Mark 11:12-14,
20).

One can always choose to not overeat.

One can always choose to stop eating before becoming full.

One can always choose to stop eating while still hungry.

Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to their own
detriment.

Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences) refers
> > to the actions or reactions of an object or organism,
> > usually in relation to the environment. Behavior can be
> > conscious or unconscious, overt or covert, and voluntary
> > or involuntary. In animals, behavior is controlled by the
> > endocrine system and the nervous system. The complexity of
> > the behavior of an organism is related to the complexity
> > of its nervous system. Generally, organisms with complex
> > nervous systems have a greater capacity to learn new
> > responses and thus adjust their behavior. Human behavior
> > (and that of other organisms and mechanisms) can be
> > common, unusual, acceptable, or unacceptable. Humans
> > evaluate the acceptablity of behavior using social norms
> > and regulate behavior by means of social
> > control[pressure]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> >
> > The above link indicates that behaviour can be controlled
> > either by the endocrine system and the nervous system in
> > relation to the environment OR humans can also regulate
> > behavior by means of social norms/control/pressure.
> >
> > In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or
> > not, if yes, whether overeating is controlled either by
> > endocrine system and the nervous system in relation to the
> > environment or by means of social norms/control/pressure?
> >
> > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic can
> > get hunger for eating more as not getting full energy
> > either due to insulin insentiveness or due to insulin
> > needed availability. This can be considered as
> > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated due to
> > social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc., it can
> > be due to social reason.
> >
> > Which is really or more valid reason?
> >
> > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in relation to
> > the environment/pathology?
>
> Overeating is a choice made using the free will that GOD has
> generously given all souls including those belonging to fig
> trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> 20).
>
> One can always choose to not overeat.
>
> One can always choose to stop eating before becoming full.
>
> One can always choose to stop eating while still hungry.
>
> Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to their own
> detriment.
>
> Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or insulin
defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
getting full energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences) refers
> > > to the actions or reactions of an object or organism,
> > > usually in relation to the environment. Behavior can be
> > > conscious or unconscious, overt or covert, and voluntary
> > > or involuntary. In animals, behavior is controlled by
> > > the endocrine system and the nervous system. The
> > > complexity of the behavior of an organism is related to
> > > the complexity of its nervous system. Generally,
> > > organisms with complex nervous systems have a greater
> > > capacity to learn new responses and thus adjust their
> > > behavior. Human behavior (and that of other organisms
> > > and mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable, or
> > > unacceptable. Humans evaluate the acceptablity of
> > > behavior using social norms and regulate behavior by
> > > means of social control[pressure].
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > >
> > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > controlled either by the endocrine system and the
> > > nervous system in relation to the environment OR humans
> > > can also regulate behavior by means of social
> > > norms/control/pressure.
> > >
> > > In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or
> > > not, if yes, whether overeating is controlled either by
> > > endocrine system and the nervous system in relation to
> > > the environment or by means of social
> > > norms/control/pressure?
> > >
> > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic can
> > > get hunger for eating more as not getting full energy
> > > either due to insulin insentiveness or due to insulin
> > > needed availability. This can be considered as
> > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated due to
> > > social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc., it
> > > can be due to social reason.
> > >
> > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > >
> > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in relation to
> > > the environment/pathology?
> >
> > Overeating is a choice made using the free will that GOD
> > has generously given all souls including those belonging
> > to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > 20).
> >
> > One can always choose to not overeat.
> >
> > One can always choose to stop eating before becoming full.
> >
> > One can always choose to stop eating while still hungry.
> >
> > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to their
> > own detriment.
> >
> > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
>
> Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or insulin
> defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> getting full energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
> insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?

No.

In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffd01ae-
b069e292c?

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences)
> > > > refers to the actions or reactions of an object or
> > > > organism, usually in relation to the environment.
> > > > Behavior can be conscious or unconscious, overt or
> > > > covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In animals,
> > > > behavior is controlled by the endocrine system and the
> > > > nervous system. The complexity of the behavior of an
> > > > organism is related to the complexity of its nervous
> > > > system. Generally, organisms with complex nervous
> > > > systems have a greater capacity to learn new responses
> > > > and thus adjust their behavior. Human behavior (and
> > > > that of other organisms and mechanisms) can be common,
> > > > unusual, acceptable, or unacceptable. Humans evaluate
> > > > the acceptablity of behavior using social norms and
> > > > regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > control[pressure].
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > >
> > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and the
> > > > nervous system in relation to the environment OR
> > > > humans can also regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > norms/control/pressure.
> > > >
> > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or
> > > > not, if yes, whether overeating is controlled either
> > > > by endocrine system and the nervous system in relation
> > > > to the environment or by means of social
> > > > norms/control/pressure?
> > > >
> > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic
> > > > can get hunger for eating more as not getting full
> > > > energy either due to insulin insentiveness or due to
> > > > insulin needed availability. This can be considered as
> > > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated due
> > > > to social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc.,
> > > > it can be due to social reason.
> > > >
> > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > >
> > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > > > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in relation
> > > > to the environment/pathology?
> > >
> > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will that GOD
> > > has generously given all souls including those belonging
> > > to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > > 20).
> > >
> > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > >
> > > One can always choose to stop eating before becoming
> > > full.
> > >
> > > One can always choose to stop eating while still hungry.
> > >
> > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to their
> > > own detriment.
> > >
> > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> >
> > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or insulin
> > defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> > getting full energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
> > insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
>
> No.
>
> In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
Can overeating be without hunger in diabetics?
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffd01-
> aeb069e292c?
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences)
> > > > refers to the actions or reactions of an object or
> > > > organism, usually in relation to the environment.
> > > > Behavior can be conscious or unconscious, overt or
> > > > covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In animals,
> > > > behavior is controlled by the endocrine system and the
> > > > nervous system. The complexity of the behavior of an
> > > > organism is related to the complexity of its nervous
> > > > system. Generally, organisms with complex nervous
> > > > systems have a greater capacity to learn new responses
> > > > and thus adjust their behavior. Human behavior (and
> > > > that of other organisms and mechanisms) can be common,
> > > > unusual, acceptable, or unacceptable. Humans evaluate
> > > > the acceptablity of behavior using social norms and
> > > > regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > control[pressure].
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > >
> > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and the
> > > > nervous system in relation to the environment OR
> > > > humans can also regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > norms/control/pressure.
> > > >
> > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour or
> > > > not, if yes, whether overeating is controlled either
> > > > by endocrine system and the nervous system in relation
> > > > to the environment or by means of social
> > > > norms/control/pressure?
> > > >
> > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic
> > > > can get hunger for eating more as not getting full
> > > > energy either due to insulin insentiveness or due to
> > > > insulin needed availability. This can be considered as
> > > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated due
> > > > to social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle etc.,
> > > > it can be due to social reason.
> > > >
> > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > >
> > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > > > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in relation
> > > > to the environment/pathology?
> > >
> > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will that GOD
> > > has generously given all souls including those belonging
> > > to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > > 20).
> > >
> > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > >
> > > One can always choose to stop eating before becoming
> > > full.
> > >
> > > One can always choose to stop eating while still hungry.
> > >
> > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to their
> > > own detriment.
> > >
> > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> >
> > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or insulin
> > defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> > getting full energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
> > insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
>
> No.
>
> In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger/

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffd01-
> aeb069e292c?
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Bowcatz]

High fructose corn syrup makes you eat. It gives you an
appetite. When corn syrup was first marketed in the early
1900s, one of its selling points was the fact that it
made you eat.

High fructose corn syrup is tough on the liver, too. It is
treated by the body as a fat. Increases cholestoral levels.

You can go to http://www.watcherwebsite.com and click on the
forum link and then scroll down to my post labeled High
Fructose Corn Syrup and can find the links I found a couple of
months that high fructose corn syrup is bad for you and is in
a lot of foods you think it wouldn't be in.

[Kumar]

Bowcatz wrote:
> High fructose corn syrup makes you eat. It gives you an
> appetite. When corn syrup was first marketed in the early
> 1900s, one of its selling points was the fact that it made
> you eat.
>
> High fructose corn syrup is tough on the liver, too. It is
> treated by the body as a fat. Increases cholestoral levels.
>
> You can go to http://www.watcherwebsite.com and click on the
> forum link and then scroll down to my post labeled High
> Fructose Corn Syrup and can find the links I found a couple
> of months that high fructose corn syrup is bad for you and
> is in a lot of foods you think it wouldn't be in.

As such, can foods containing high froctose make us to eat
more?

[Kumar]

Iodine is related to metabolism & thyroid hormone. Its RDA is
150 microgram for normal adult person. It is added to common
salt so called as Iodized salt. 1/4 teaspoon of iodized table
salt provides 95 micrograms of iodine. Iodine is also presen
in diary and other foods. Its excess in some quantity can be
related to more throid hormone production. One symptom of
hyperthyroidism is "increased appetite".

Previously, I observed that discontinuing of added common salt
(obiously, iodized salt) had stopped overeating, excessive
hunger and craving for food.

In view of above, can it be thought that taking iodized salt
in more quantity along with other normal iodine containing
foods may be causing excess hunger and craving for food
resulting into overeating and hyperglycemia?

[Jeff]

"kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159795897.735493.14200@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Iodine is related to metabolism & thyroid hormone. Its RDA
> is 150 microgram for normal adult person. It is added to
> common salt so called as Iodized salt. 1/4 teaspoon of
> iodized table salt provides 95 micrograms of iodine. Iodine
> is also presen in diary and other foods. Its excess in some
> quantity can be related to more throid hormone production.
> One symptom of hyperthyroidism is "increased appetite".
>
> Previously, I observed that discontinuing of added common
> salt (obiously, iodized salt) had stopped overeating,
> excessive hunger and craving for food.
>
> In view of above, can it be thought that taking iodized salt
> in more quantity along with other normal iodine containing
> foods may be causing excess hunger and craving for food
> resulting into overeating and hyperglycemia?

Not really. The body either will poop or pee out the extra
iodine. The body won't make extra thyroid hormone just because
there is more iodine available. Beside, too much thyroid
hormone causes wieght loss, not weight gain,.

Jeff

[Kumar]

Jeff wrote:
> "kumar" <lordshiva5753@rediffmail.com> wrote in message new-
> s:1159795897.735493.14200@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Iodine is related to metabolism & thyroid hormone. Its RDA
> > is 150 microgram for normal adult person. It is added to
> > common salt so called as Iodized salt. 1/4 teaspoon of
> > iodized table salt provides 95 micrograms of iodine.
> > Iodine is also presen in diary and other foods. Its excess
> > in some quantity can be related to more throid hormone
> > production. One symptom of hyperthyroidism is "increased
> > appetite".
> >
> > Previously, I observed that discontinuing of added common
> > salt (obiously, iodized salt) had stopped overeating,
> > excessive hunger and craving for food.
> >
> > In view of above, can it be thought that taking iodized
> > salt in more quantity along with other normal iodine
> > containing foods may be causing excess hunger and craving
> > for food resulting into overeating and hyperglycemia?
>
> Not really. The body either will poop or pee out the extra
> iodine. The body won't make extra thyroid hormone just
> because there is more iodine available. Beside, too much
> thyroid hormone causes wieght loss, not weight gain,.
>
> Jeff
Two symptoms of hyperthroidism are increased appetite and
weight loss.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000356.htm

Probably more iodine but still under safe level may cause
increased appetite in diabetes. Look at it;

"While I've just explained how too much iodine exposure can
actually shut down thyroid hormone production, in other
situations, an excess of iodine may actually cause an
over-production of thyroid hormone and hyperthyroidism.

If a person has been exposed to relatively little iodine and
then consumes a diet rich in iodine, the individual can
develop an excess production of thyroid hormone
(iodine-induced hyperthyroidism). In general, this occurs in
people who have an underlying thyroid disorder that has not
yet manifested clinically. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/-
main/art.asp?articlekey=18395 "

[Kumar]

Bowcatz wrote:
> Yep. The HFCS does not trigger the part of the brain that
> uses certain brain chemicals to trigger a full sensation.
> You eat and eat and never get satisfied.

Thanks. It is to be understood in depth. I think fructose's
uptake by cells is not insulin dependant? Some other complex
sugar are not properly absorbed in intestine.

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences)
> > > > > refers to the actions or reactions of an object or
> > > > > organism, usually in relation to the environment.
> > > > > Behavior can be conscious or unconscious, overt or
> > > > > covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In animals,
> > > > > behavior is controlled by the endocrine system and
> > > > > the nervous system. The complexity of the behavior
> > > > > of an organism is related to the complexity of its
> > > > > nervous system. Generally, organisms with complex
> > > > > nervous systems have a greater capacity to learn new
> > > > > responses and thus adjust their behavior. Human
> > > > > behavior (and that of other organisms and
> > > > > mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable, or
> > > > > unacceptable. Humans evaluate the acceptablity of
> > > > > behavior using social norms and regulate behavior by
> > > > > means of social control[pressure].
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > > >
> > > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and the
> > > > > nervous system in relation to the environment OR
> > > > > humans can also regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > > norms/control/pressure.
> > > > >
> > > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a behaviour
> > > > > or not, if yes, whether overeating is controlled
> > > > > either by endocrine system and the nervous system in
> > > > > relation to the environment or by means of social
> > > > > norms/control/pressure?
> > > > >
> > > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient diabetic
> > > > > can get hunger for eating more as not getting full
> > > > > energy either due to insulin insentiveness or due to
> > > > > insulin needed availability. This can be considered
> > > > > as "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated
> > > > > due to social reason--brainwashing, modern lifestyle
> > > > > etc., it can be due to social reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > > >
> > > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > > > > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in
> > > > > relation to the environment/pathology?
> > > >
> > > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will that
> > > > GOD has generously given all souls including those
> > > > belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > > > 20).
> > > >
> > > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > > >
> > > > One can always choose to stop eating before becoming
> > > > full.
> > > >
> > > > One can always choose to stop eating while still
> > > > hungry.
> > > >
> > > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to
> > > > their own detriment.
> > > >
> > > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> > >
> > > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or insulin
> > > defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating more as
> > > not getting full energy/satisfaction either due to
> > > insulin insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffd-
> > 01aeb069e292c?

> In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger/

It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling differences)
> > > > > > refers to the actions or reactions of an object or
> > > > > > organism, usually in relation to the environment.
> > > > > > Behavior can be conscious or unconscious, overt or
> > > > > > covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In animals,
> > > > > > behavior is controlled by the endocrine system and
> > > > > > the nervous system. The complexity of the behavior
> > > > > > of an organism is related to the complexity of its
> > > > > > nervous system. Generally, organisms with complex
> > > > > > nervous systems have a greater capacity to learn
> > > > > > new responses and thus adjust their behavior.
> > > > > > Human behavior (and that of other organisms and
> > > > > > mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable, or
> > > > > > unacceptable. Humans evaluate the acceptablity of
> > > > > > behavior using social norms and regulate behavior
> > > > > > by means of social control[pressure].
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and the
> > > > > > nervous system in relation to the environment OR
> > > > > > humans can also regulate behavior by means of
> > > > > > social norms/control/pressure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a
> > > > > > behaviour or not, if yes, whether overeating is
> > > > > > controlled either by endocrine system and the
> > > > > > nervous system in relation to the environment or
> > > > > > by means of social norms/control/pressure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient
> > > > > > diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> > > > > > getting full energy either due to insulin
> > > > > > insentiveness or due to insulin needed
> > > > > > availability. This can be considered as
> > > > > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if mediated
> > > > > > due to social reason--brainwashing, modern
> > > > > > lifestyle etc., it can be due to social reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and nervous
> > > > > > system's reasons for overeating behaviour in
> > > > > > relation to the environment/pathology?
> > > > >
> > > > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will that
> > > > > GOD has generously given all souls including those
> > > > > belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > > > > 20).
> > > > >
> > > > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > > > >
> > > > > One can always choose to stop eating before becoming
> > > > > full.
> > > > >
> > > > > One can always choose to stop eating while still
> > > > > hungry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to
> > > > > their own detriment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> > > >
> > > > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or
> > > > insulin defficient diabetic can get hunger for eating
> > > > more as not getting full energy/satisfaction either
> > > > due to insulin insentiveness or due to insulin
> > > > defficiecy?
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
> >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f-
> > > fd01aeb069e292c?
>
> > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
>
> It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).

In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real
enjoyment of food?

Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Bowcatz wrote:
> I use to drink a lot of soda pop (Coca Cola's the most) and
> gained a lot of weight in the last few years. Soda pops are
> full of HFCS. I stopped drinking the soda pops last August
> and dropped ten pounds within a couple of months. No
> dieting. I don't have the urge to eat eat eat anymore
> either. There is something in HFCS that triggers a ravenous
> appetite in me. When I avoid it, I have a normal appetite.
> When I eat it, I can't get enough food. It's like I 'm not
> full though I feel very full physically.
>
> I have discovered the glycemic index and glycemic load
> nutritional information. I find that eating a diet low on
> the glycemic index helps me to drop weight easily and
> without going hungry.

Intresting. I think Coca Cola has low pH(acidic). Low GI diets
are indicated to help people lose and control weight ,
increase the body's sensitivity to insulin, improve diabetes
control etc.

[Kumar]

"People with diabetes experience thyroid disorders more
frequently than the general population. Both diabetes and
thyroid disease involve the endocrine system, a group of
glands that helps to regulate the body's metabolism.... There
also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism
being the most common.

Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood
glucose levels and, left untreated, can affect diabetes
control. **An overactive thyroid may increase insulin
requirements, while an underactive thyroid can decrease
insulin requirements.**

Underlying thyroid disorders may go unnoticed, as the
symptoms are similar to those for diabetes; thus, they can
easily be attributed to other medical disorders. Symptoms of
hyperthyroidism in people with type 1 diabetes can produce
such symptoms as weight loss despite increased appetite and
fatigue and may be attributed to poor diabetes management.
Symptoms of hypothyroidism are common in people with type 2
diabetes and can be misidentified because people with this
condition may
http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About/thyroid.asp "

It looks diabetic2 may some variations in thyroid hormone
secration in two stages. One more and other less
secration--however may go unnoticed clinically for long
period. Probably, more iodine may be used for thyroid
hormone making.

[Kumar]

"People with diabetes experience thyroid disorders more
frequently than the general population. Both diabetes and
thyroid disease involve the endocrine system, a group of
glands that helps to regulate the body's metabolism.... There
also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of thyroid
disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism
being the most common.

Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood
glucose levels and, left untreated, can affect diabetes
control. **An overactive thyroid may increase insulin
requirements, while an underactive thyroid can decrease
insulin requirements.**

Underlying thyroid disorders may go unnoticed, as the
symptoms are similar to those for diabetes; thus, they can
easily be attributed to other medical disorders. Symptoms of
hyperthyroidism in people with type 1 diabetes can produce
such symptoms as weight loss despite increased appetite and
fatigue and may be attributed to poor diabetes management.
Symptoms of hypothyroidism are common in people with type 2
diabetes and can be misidentified because people with this
condition may
http://www.diabetes.ca/Section_About/thyroid.asp "

It looks diabetic2 may some variations in thyroid hormone
secration in two stages. One more and other less
secration--however may go unnoticed clinically for long
period. Probably, more iodine may be used for thyroid
hormone making.

[Bowcatz]

Yep. The HFCS does not trigger the part of the brain that uses
certain brain chemicals to trigger a full sensation. You eat
and eat and never get satisfied.

[Bowcatz]

I use to drink a lot of soda pop (Coca Cola's the most) and
gained a lot of weight in the last few years. Soda pops are
full of HFCS. I stopped drinking the soda pops last August and
dropped ten pounds within a couple of months. No dieting. I
don't have the urge to eat eat eat anymore either. There is
something in HFCS that triggers a ravenous appetite in me.
When I avoid it, I have a normal appetite. When I eat it, I
can't get enough food. It's like I 'm not full though I feel
very full physically.

I have discovered the glycemic index and glycemic load
nutritional information. I find that eating a diet low on the
glycemic index helps me to drop weight easily and without
going hungry.

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling
> > > > > > > differences) refers to the actions or reactions
> > > > > > > of an object or organism, usually in relation to
> > > > > > > the environment. Behavior can be conscious or
> > > > > > > unconscious, overt or covert, and voluntary or
> > > > > > > involuntary. In animals, behavior is controlled
> > > > > > > by the endocrine system and the nervous system.
> > > > > > > The complexity of the behavior of an organism is
> > > > > > > related to the complexity of its nervous system.
> > > > > > > Generally, organisms with complex nervous
> > > > > > > systems have a greater capacity to learn new
> > > > > > > responses and thus adjust their behavior. Human
> > > > > > > behavior (and that of other organisms and
> > > > > > > mechanisms) can be common, unusual, acceptable,
> > > > > > > or unacceptable. Humans evaluate the
> > > > > > > acceptablity of behavior using social norms and
> > > > > > > regulate behavior by means of social
> > > > > > > control[pressure].
> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and
> > > > > > > the nervous system in relation to the
> > > > > > > environment OR humans can also regulate behavior
> > > > > > > by means of social norms/control/pressure.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a
> > > > > > > behaviour or not, if yes, whether overeating is
> > > > > > > controlled either by endocrine system and the
> > > > > > > nervous system in relation to the environment or
> > > > > > > by means of social norms/control/pressure?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient
> > > > > > > diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> > > > > > > getting full energy either due to insulin
> > > > > > > insentiveness or due to insulin needed
> > > > > > > availability. This can be considered as
> > > > > > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if
> > > > > > > mediated due to social reason--brainwashing,
> > > > > > > modern lifestyle etc., it can be due to social
> > > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and
> > > > > > > nervous system's reasons for overeating
> > > > > > > behaviour in relation to the
> > > > > > > environment/pathology?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will
> > > > > > that GOD has generously given all souls including
> > > > > > those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,
> > > > > > 20).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating before
> > > > > > becoming full.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating while still
> > > > > > hungry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat to
> > > > > > their own detriment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or
> > > > > insulin defficient diabetic can get hunger for
> > > > > eating more as not getting full energy/satisfaction
> > > > > either due to insulin insentiveness or due to
> > > > > insulin defficiecy?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
> > >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg-
> > > > /ffd01aeb069e292c?
> >
> > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> >
> > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
>
> In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real
> enjoyment of food?

See above.

It would require forced feeding.

> Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.

Already have.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling
> > > > > > > > differences) refers to the actions or
> > > > > > > > reactions of an object or organism, usually in
> > > > > > > > relation to the environment. Behavior can be
> > > > > > > > conscious or unconscious, overt or covert, and
> > > > > > > > voluntary or involuntary. In animals, behavior
> > > > > > > > is controlled by the endocrine system and the
> > > > > > > > nervous system. The complexity of the behavior
> > > > > > > > of an organism is related to the complexity of
> > > > > > > > its nervous system. Generally, organisms with
> > > > > > > > complex nervous systems have a greater
> > > > > > > > capacity to learn new responses and thus
> > > > > > > > adjust their behavior. Human behavior (and
> > > > > > > > that of other organisms and mechanisms) can be
> > > > > > > > common, unusual, acceptable, or unacceptable.
> > > > > > > > Humans evaluate the acceptablity of behavior
> > > > > > > > using social norms and regulate behavior by
> > > > > > > > means of social control[pressure].
> > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can be
> > > > > > > > controlled either by the endocrine system and
> > > > > > > > the nervous system in relation to the
> > > > > > > > environment OR humans can also regulate
> > > > > > > > behavior by means of social
> > > > > > > > norms/control/pressure.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a
> > > > > > > > behaviour or not, if yes, whether overeating
> > > > > > > > is controlled either by endocrine system and
> > > > > > > > the nervous system in relation to the
> > > > > > > > environment or by means of social
> > > > > > > > norms/control/pressure?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient
> > > > > > > > diabetic can get hunger for eating more as not
> > > > > > > > getting full energy either due to insulin
> > > > > > > > insentiveness or due to insulin needed
> > > > > > > > availability. This can be considered as
> > > > > > > > "natural/pathological reason" whereas if
> > > > > > > > mediated due to social reason--brainwashing,
> > > > > > > > modern lifestyle etc., it can be due to social
> > > > > > > > reason.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and
> > > > > > > > nervous system's reasons for overeating
> > > > > > > > behaviour in relation to the
> > > > > > > > environment/pathology?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Overeating is a choice made using the free will
> > > > > > > that GOD has generously given all souls
> > > > > > > including those belonging to fig trees (Mark
> > > > > > > 11:12-14,
> > > > > > > 20).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating before
> > > > > > > becoming full.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating while still
> > > > > > > hungry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to overeat
> > > > > > > to their own detriment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or
> > > > > > insulin defficient diabetic can get hunger for
> > > > > > eating more as not getting full
> > > > > > energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
> > > > > > insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > > > >
> > > > > In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
> > > >
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/m-
> > > > > sg/ffd01aeb069e292c?
> > >
> > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > >
> > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> >
> > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real
> > enjoyment of food?
>
> See above.
>
> It would require forced feeding.
>
> > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
>
> Already have.
"There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of
thyroid disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with
hypothyroidism being the

most common.

Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood
glucose levels

and, left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An
overactive thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an
underactive thyroid

can decrease insulin requirements.** "

>From my previous post.Pls see.

> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Kumar wrote:

"Mechanisms The cellular or biochemical mechanisms
responsible for glucotoxicity and lipotoxicity are understood
only in part. One explanation for glucotoxicity involves the
process of glucose transport into cells. In
insulin-responsive peripheral tissues (ie, fat, heart, and
muscle), glucose entry into cells is limited by the number
and amount of activity of membrane glucose transporters. The
major insulin-responsive glucose transporter in these tissues
is glucose transporter 4 (GLUT4)
(18), which exists in both intracellular vesicles and the
plasma membrane (figure 2: not shown). Insulin acts over a
few minutes through membrane insulin receptors to generate
a series of intracellular signals that cause movement of
GLUT4-containing vesicles to the plasma membrane, fusion
of the vesicles to the membrane, and glucose entry
(19). Glucose itself may interfere with one or more of these
steps. This interference is suggested by studies of
cultures of muscle and fat cells in which incubation at
high glucose levels decreases--whereas incubation at
low glucose levels enhances--insulin-stimulated glucose
transport activity (20). Moreover, chronic exposure to
high glucose levels, independent of insulin, impairs
the mass-action effect of glucose to induce its own
cell entry.

Table 1. Clinical implications of lipotoxicity and
glucotoxicity

Lipotoxicity and glucotoxicity provide common ground for the
combined defects in insulin release and insulin action
characteristic of type 2 diabetes. Excess circulating glucose,
excess free fatty acids, or both may accelerate the
progression of type 2 diabetes. Obesity and dietary excess
result in increased circulating free fatty acids and insulin
resistance, leading to higher circulating glucose levels.
Lifestyle modifications may prevent the development and
progression of type 2 diabetes
http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2001/04_01/sivitz.htm "

It indicates that glucotoxicity can impair insulin secretion
and insulin senstiveness. How body system can trigger lesser
movement of glucose into intersitial compartments and less
exposure to target cells to avoid glucotoxicity?

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Behavior or behaviour (see spelling
> > > > > > > > > differences) refers to the actions or
> > > > > > > > > reactions of an object or organism, usually
> > > > > > > > > in relation to the environment. Behavior can
> > > > > > > > > be conscious or unconscious, overt or
> > > > > > > > > covert, and voluntary or involuntary. In
> > > > > > > > > animals, behavior is controlled by the
> > > > > > > > > endocrine system and the nervous system. The
> > > > > > > > > complexity of the behavior of an organism is
> > > > > > > > > related to the complexity of its nervous
> > > > > > > > > system. Generally, organisms with complex
> > > > > > > > > nervous systems have a greater capacity to
> > > > > > > > > learn new responses and thus adjust their
> > > > > > > > > behavior. Human behavior (and that of other
> > > > > > > > > organisms and mechanisms) can be common,
> > > > > > > > > unusual, acceptable, or unacceptable. Humans
> > > > > > > > > evaluate the acceptablity of behavior using
> > > > > > > > > social norms and regulate behavior by means
> > > > > > > > > of social control[pressure].
> > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The above link indicates that behaviour can
> > > > > > > > > be controlled either by the endocrine system
> > > > > > > > > and the nervous system in relation to the
> > > > > > > > > environment OR humans can also regulate
> > > > > > > > > behavior by means of social
> > > > > > > > > norms/control/pressure.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In view of above, whether overeating is a
> > > > > > > > > behaviour or not, if yes, whether overeating
> > > > > > > > > is controlled either by endocrine system and
> > > > > > > > > the nervous system in relation to the
> > > > > > > > > environment or by means of social
> > > > > > > > > norms/control/pressure?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > An insulin resistant or insulin defficient
> > > > > > > > > diabetic can get hunger for eating more as
> > > > > > > > > not getting full energy either due to
> > > > > > > > > insulin insentiveness or due to insulin
> > > > > > > > > needed availability. This can be considered
> > > > > > > > > as "natural/pathological reason" whereas if
> > > > > > > > > mediated due to social reason--brainwashing,
> > > > > > > > > modern lifestyle etc., it can be due to
> > > > > > > > > social reason.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which is really or more valid reason?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If possible, what can be the endocrine and
> > > > > > > > > nervous system's reasons for overeating
> > > > > > > > > behaviour in relation to the
> > > > > > > > > environment/pathology?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Overeating is a choice made using the free
> > > > > > > > will that GOD has generously given all souls
> > > > > > > > including those belonging to fig trees (Mark
> > > > > > > > 11:12-14,
> > > > > > > > 20).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One can always choose to not overeat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating before
> > > > > > > > becoming full.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One can always choose to stop eating while
> > > > > > > > still hungry.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fear of hunger drives many to choose to
> > > > > > > > overeat to their own detriment.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Many have been brainwashed to fear hunger.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can't hunger be due to: An insulin resistant or
> > > > > > > insulin defficient diabetic can get hunger for
> > > > > > > eating more as not getting full
> > > > > > > energy/satisfaction either due to insulin
> > > > > > > insentiveness or due to insulin defficiecy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In truth, hunger is a healthy appetite:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology-
> > > > > > /msg/ffd01aeb069e292c?
> > > >
> > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > >
> > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > >
> > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and real
> > > enjoyment of food?
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > It would require forced feeding.
> >
> > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> >
> > Already have.
>
> "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence of
> thyroid disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with
> hypothyroidism being the most common. Thyroid disorders can
> have a significant effect on blood glucose levels and, left
> untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An overactive
> thyroid may increase insulin requirements, while an
> underactive thyroid can decrease insulin requirements.** "

VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely
affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on
that other endocrine organ, the pancreas.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

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26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
*SNIP*
> > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > >
> > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and
> > > > real enjoyment of food?
> > >
> > > See above.
> > >
> > > It would require forced feeding.
> > >
> > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > >
> > > Already have.
> >
> > "There also appears to be a higher than normal occurrence
> > of thyroid disorders in people with type 2 diabetes, with
> > hypothyroidism being the most common. Thyroid disorders
> > can have a significant effect on blood glucose levels and,
> > left untreated, can affect diabetes control. **An
> > overactive thyroid may increase insulin requirements,
> > while an underactive thyroid can decrease insulin
> > requirements.** "
>
> VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also adversely
> affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to its effect on
> that other endocrine organ, the pancreas.

Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
pancreas/beta cells? Probably, upto certain high level of
glucose, insulin secretion increases whereas at higher levels
or at later stages it decreases? Such mecanism may be common
to endocrine organs?
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Kumar]

Table 1. Prevalence Rates for Thyroid Disease

"Thyroid disease in the general population: 6.6%

Thyroid disease in diabetes: Overall prevalence: 10.8=AD13.4%
Hypothyroidism: 3=AD6% Subclinical hypothyroidism: 5=AD13%
Hyperthyroidism: 1=AD2% Postpartum thyroiditis: 11%

How Thyroid Dysfunction May Affect Diabetic Patients The
presence of thyroid dysfunction may affect diabetes
control. Hyperthyroidism is typically associated with
worsening glycemic control and increased insulin
requirements. There is underlying increased hepatic
gluconeogenesis, rapid gastrointestinal glucose absorption,
and probably increased insulin resistance. Indeed,
thyrotoxicosis may unmask latent diabetes.

http://journal.diabetes.org/clinicaldiabetes/v18n12000/-
Pg38.htm "

Above is good article. It looks there may be a link between
persisting hyperglycemia, increased appetite and IR with
over-active thyroid--clinical or sub-clinical. Probably, it
may lead to hypothyroidism at later stages.

[Andrew B.]

Kumar wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> *SNIP*
> > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube feeding).
> > > > >
> > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and
> > > > > real enjoyment of food?
> > > >
> > > > See above.
> > > >
> > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > >
> > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > >
> > > > Already have.
> > >
> > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal
> > > occurrence of thyroid disorders in people with type 2
> > > diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the most common.
> > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on blood
> > > glucose levels and, left untreated, can affect diabetes
> > > control. **An overactive thyroid may increase insulin
> > > requirements, while an underactive thyroid can decrease
> > > insulin requirements.** "
> >
> > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also
> > adversely affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to its
> > effect on that other endocrine organ, the pancreas.
>
> Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
> pancreas/beta cells?

Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.

It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic inflammation
leading to IR that in turn leads the beta islet cell
insufficiency over time.

May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Ros]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube
> > > > > > > feeding).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and
> > > > > > real enjoyment of food?
> > > > >
> > > > > See above.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Already have.
> > > >
> > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal
> > > > occurrence of thyroid disorders in people with type 2
> > > > diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the most common.
> > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on
> > > > blood glucose levels and, left untreated, can affect
> > > > diabetes control. **An overactive thyroid may increase
> > > > insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid can
> > > > decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > >
> > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also
> > > adversely affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to
> > > its effect on that other endocrine organ, the pancreas.
> >
> > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
> > pancreas/beta cells?
>
> Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
>
> It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic
> inflammation leading to IR that in turn leads the beta islet
> cell insufficiency over time.
>
> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

What does IR stand for, please?

Ros

[Kumar]

Ros wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without
> > > > > > > > > hunger?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube
> > > > > > > > feeding).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving
> > > > > > > and real enjoyment of food?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Already have.
> > > > >
> > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal
> > > > > occurrence of thyroid disorders in people with type
> > > > > 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the most
> > > > > common. Thyroid disorders can have a significant
> > > > > effect on blood glucose levels and, left untreated,
> > > > > can affect diabetes control. **An overactive thyroid
> > > > > may increase insulin requirements, while an
> > > > > underactive thyroid can decrease insulin
> > > > > requirements.** "
> > > >
> > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also
> > > > adversely affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to
> > > > its effect on that other endocrine organ, the
> > > > pancreas.
> > >
> > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
> > > pancreas/beta cells?
> >
> > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> >
> > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic
> > inflammation leading to IR that in turn leads the beta
> > islet cell insufficiency over time.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your
> > diabetes, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >
> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> > by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> > their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> > 2:14-17).
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77-
> > da2d26da0ab97?
>
> What does IR stand for, please?
>
> Ros

Insulin Resistance.

[Kumar]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without hunger?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube
> > > > > > > feeding).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving and
> > > > > > real enjoyment of food?
> > > > >
> > > > > See above.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Already have.
> > > >
> > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal
> > > > occurrence of thyroid disorders in people with type 2
> > > > diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the most common.
> > > > Thyroid disorders can have a significant effect on
> > > > blood glucose levels and, left untreated, can affect
> > > > diabetes control. **An overactive thyroid may increase
> > > > insulin requirements, while an underactive thyroid can
> > > > decrease insulin requirements.** "
> > >
> > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also
> > > adversely affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to
> > > its effect on that other endocrine organ, the pancreas.
> >
> > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
> > pancreas/beta cells?
>
> Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
>
> It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic
> inflammation leading to IR that in turn leads the beta islet
> cell insufficiency over time.

Does beta cell damage don't take place in people with
hyperglycemia, partly insulin defficient with no VAT?

Somewhere iron is made responsible to beta cell damage?

> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
> dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

[Andrew B.]

Ros wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > *SNIP*
> > > > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without
> > > > > > > > > hunger?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be with forced feeding (ie tube
> > > > > > > > feeding).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In diabetic, can overeating be without craving
> > > > > > > and real enjoyment of food?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would require forced feeding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pls look at previous post about iodized salt.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Already have.
> > > > >
> > > > > "There also appears to be a higher than normal
> > > > > occurrence of thyroid disorders in people with type
> > > > > 2 diabetes, with hypothyroidism being the most
> > > > > common. Thyroid disorders can have a significant
> > > > > effect on blood glucose levels and, left untreated,
> > > > > can affect diabetes control. **An overactive thyroid
> > > > > may increase insulin requirements, while an
> > > > > underactive thyroid can decrease insulin
> > > > > requirements.** "
> > > >
> > > > VAT causes generalized inflammation which can also
> > > > adversely affect the thyroid in a fashion analogous to
> > > > its effect on that other endocrine organ, the
> > > > pancreas.
> > >
> > > Is it VAT or glucotoxicity which causes effect on
> > > pancreas/beta cells?
> >
> > Without IR from the VAT, there would be no glucotoxicity.
> >
> > It is the VAT that starts the cascade of systemic
> > inflammation leading to IR that in turn leads the beta
> > islet cell insufficiency over time.
>
> What does IR stand for, please?

Sorry about that. Please forgive all my iniquities.

IR -- Insulin Resistance.

VAT - Visceral Adipose Tissue.

Beta Islet Cell - The cells in the pancreas that make
the insulin.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water,
dear sister Ros whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

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26da0ab97?