Soy or Cow

[Ros]

What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's milk?
Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart healthy. I
recently changed to Soy milk and am now wondering whether that
was a good move.

Ros

[Andrew B.]

Ros wrote:
> What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or
> Cow's milk?

It is wiser to drink water when thirsty.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Ros]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Ros wrote:
> > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or
> > Cow's milk?
>
> It is wiser to drink water when thirsty.
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I
> love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> 2:14-17).
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da-
> 2d26da0ab97?

Yes, but what would I put in my tea! I couldn't drink
black tea.

Ros

[Jeff]

"Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:1159592451.395659.18190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now wondering
> whether that was a good move.
>
> Ros

Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk

[Andrew B.]

Ros wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> > > milk?
> >
> > It is wiser to drink water when thirsty.
>
> Yes, but what would I put in my tea! I couldn't drink
> black tea.

You could try flavored herbal teas. Adding things would mess
up the flavor. My favorite which I am drinking at the moment
is Stash's ruby mist caffeine free herbal tea:

www.stashtea.com

May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by
the unconditional love they have for everyone including their
enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d-
26da0ab97?

[Shawn Hirn]

In article
<1159592451.395659.18190@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Ros"
<molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now wondering
> whether that was a good move.
>
> Ros

Best is a relative term. If you are interested in maintaining
a low fat diet, use skim or soy milk; whichever you enjoy
best, or alternate between them.

[Ben]

Try to get use to drinking green tea or just water. After a
while you'd get use to it.

"Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:1159610796.639473.56260@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> > > milk?
> >
> > It is wiser to drink water when thirsty.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom
> > I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >
> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know
> > by the unconditional love they have for everyone including
> > their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James
> > 2:14-17).
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77-
> > da2d26da0ab97?
>
> Yes, but what would I put in my tea! I couldn't drink
> black tea.
>
> Ros

[Alan S]

x-posts cut

so he probably won't answer:-)

On 30 Sep 2006 09:16:53 -0700, monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

>Go to: http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-
>
>to understand these kinds of issues, down to the
>molecular level.
>
>It's not just a "is milk good" situation. If you cook with
>it, you can cause it to be dangerous, for example, while if
>you were to make your own soybean oil with an old fashioned
>press, and the soybeans were organic and fresh, the soybeans
>might be healthier for you, at least in moderation (omega 6
>PUFA consumption needs to be kept around 3% or lower, or else
>cancer rates rise substantiallly). It's a bit more
>complicated than this, and if you are interested, go to my
>web site and see. My solution is to avoid any food that is
>rich in unsaturated fatty acids, but also I don't cook any
>food that contains fat or cholesterol at high temperatures
>and while exposed to air. Such foods included eggs, milk,
>cheese, and butter. I don't eat "meat," but the same thing
>applies to it. I would also advise eating antioxidant-rich
>foods if you eat anything that contains more than very small
>amounts of fat or cholesterol (and also something like lean
>meat cooked while exposed to air, which I suggest you avoid
>entirely).

What, exactly, do you eat and why?

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg,
ezetrol 10mg
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

[George Lag]

"Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now wondering
> whether that was a good move.

Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body. Cow's
milk has too much casein protein for the human body
to digest.

[Ros]

George Lagergren wrote:
> "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> > milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> > healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now
> > wondering whether that was a good move.
>
> Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body.
> Cow's milk has too much casein protein for the
> human body to digest.

Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy products,
such as milk and yoghurt.

Ros

[Vohrtex]

In article
<1160211089.851979.247590@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Ros
<molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> George Lagergren wrote:
> > "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> > > milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> > > healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now
> > > wondering whether that was a good move.
> >
> > Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body.
> > Cow's milk has too much casein protein for the
> > human body to digest.
>
> Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy
> products, such as milk and yoghurt.
>
> Ros
>
dairy producing mucus is an urban legend.

www.nationalasthma.org.au/
html/about/pdf/2006_dairy_aus20_02.pdf

If you use a lowfat dairy milk I would think the cholesterol
impact would be negligible. in my mind is it more of a
political (are you trying to be vegan?) or a taste decision.

-Matt T1 31 years

[Tc]

Ros wrote:
> What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now wondering
> whether that was a good move.
>
> Ros

Soy is not real food.

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm

http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/basics/soy.htm

http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutrition/soy_dangers.htm

http://www.roex.com/Articles/dangerofsoylinks.htm

TC

[Tc]

Ros wrote:
> George Lagergren wrote:
> > "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
> > > milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't heart
> > > healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am now
> > > wondering whether that was a good move.
> >
> > Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body.
> > Cow's milk has too much casein protein for the
> > human body to digest.
>
> Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy
> products, such as milk and yoghurt.
>
> Ros

Try raw milk. The mucus thing seems to be caused by
homogenized and pasteurized (ie. processed) milk only. Quality
matters. And processing degrades quality.

And soy milk is not milk, nor is it even close to being a
substitute for milk. It has nothing in common with milk other
than the color. Soy is an entirely different food. And soy is
only safe as a food if it is thoroughly FERMENTED and only
eaten in small amounts. Unfermented soy is not food, it is no
more than ground soybeans with water. It contains phyto-toxins
and phyto-estrogens which can create havoc with our health.

TC

[Tc]

Dee Randall wrote:
> "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11606715-
> 52.515032.312310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Ros wrote:
> >> George Lagergren wrote:
> >> > "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or
> >> > > Cow's milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil
> >> > > wasn't heart healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk
> >> > > and am now wondering whether that was a good move.
> >> >
> >> > Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body.
> >> > Cow's milk has too much casein protein for
> >> > the human body to digest.
> >>
> >> Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy
> >> products, such as milk and yoghurt.
> >>
> >> Ros
> >
> > Try raw milk. The mucus thing seems to be caused by
> > homogenized and pasteurized (ie. processed) milk only.
> > Quality matters. And processing degrades quality.
>
> I thought I was allergic to milk because my stomach bloated,
> the mucus flowed and coughing started and itching on my head
> began, and I was miserable after drinking hot cocoa made
> with milk or ice cream, etc.
>
> Raw milk -- no problem. I had had problems even with
> organic yogurt; but now making my own with raw milk - no
> problem. Dee

Goes to show what pasteurization and homogenization does to
milk.

TC

[Dee Randal]

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160671552.515032.312310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ros wrote:
>> George Lagergren wrote:
>> > "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or Cow's
>> > > milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil wasn't
>> > > heart healthy. I recently changed to Soy milk and am
>> > > now wondering whether that was a good move.
>> >
>> > Cow's milk produces mucus in the human body.
>> > Cow's milk has too much casein protein for the
>> > human body to digest.
>>
>> Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy
>> products, such as milk and yoghurt.
>>
>> Ros
>
> Try raw milk. The mucus thing seems to be caused by
> homogenized and pasteurized (ie. processed) milk only.
> Quality matters. And processing degrades quality.

I thought I was allergic to milk because my stomach bloated,
the mucus flowed and coughing started and itching on my head
began, and I was miserable after drinking hot cocoa made with
milk or ice cream, etc.

Raw milk -- no problem. I had had problems even with organic
yogurt; but now making my own with raw milk - no problem. Dee

[William Wa]

In article
<1161374931.537831.181300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "TC"
<tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dee Randall wrote:
> > "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:116067-
> > 1552.515032.312310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Ros wrote:
> > >> George Lagergren wrote:
> > >> > "Ros" <molog@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > >> > > What is the best milk for the heart - Soy milk or
> > >> > > Cow's milk? Someone on here mentioned Soybean Oil
> > >> > > wasn't heart healthy. I recently changed to Soy
> > >> > > milk and am now wondering whether that was a good
> > >> > > move.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cow's milk produces mucus in the human
> > >> > body. Cow's milk has too much casein
> > >> > protein for the human body to digest.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I've noticed mucus when I've had too much dairy
> > >> products, such as milk and yoghurt.
> > >>
> > >> Ros
> > >
> > > Try raw milk. The mucus thing seems to be caused by
> > > homogenized and pasteurized (ie. processed) milk only.
> > > Quality matters. And processing degrades quality.
> >
> > I thought I was allergic to milk because my stomach
> > bloated, the mucus flowed and coughing started and itching
> > on my head began, and I was miserable after drinking hot
> > cocoa made with milk or ice cream, etc.
> >
> > Raw milk -- no problem. I had had problems even with
> > organic yogurt; but now making my own with raw milk - no
> > problem. Dee
>
> Goes to show what pasteurization and homogenization does
> to milk.
>
> TC

As a child in 1955 our milk was delivered. Sometimes the
cream came to the top. Incentive to retrieve it ;)).

No one ever heard of asthma. Polio was spoken of and I got a
sugar cube. Iron lungs scared us about as much a bomb shelter
drills in the early sixties.

I look at my milk now 1/2 & 1/2 and wonder what the hell
ultra pasteurization does. There was a bit of resistance to
the use years ago but it faded.

Seems storage rules over freshness.

Bill who can still get uncooked apple cider down the road.

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[Doug Frees]

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Raw milk -- no problem. I had had problems even with
>> organic yogurt; but now making my own with raw milk - no
>> problem. Dee
>
> Goes to show what pasteurization and homogenization does
> to milk.

So two people concludes what? There are bazillions od people
consuming skim, 1%, 2%, etc that have absolutely no problems.
Some people are lactose intolerant and have adverse relation
to milk, should we then extrapolate that to mean we all give
up milk products. Geez Louise you are one strange dude.

As usual you cherry pick what fits your paranoia. Get some
real exercise and clear some of your synapses, you missing a
few cylinders.

-DF

[Tc]

Doug Freese wrote:
> "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11613749-
> 31.537831.181300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> Raw milk -- no problem. I had had problems even with
> >> organic yogurt; but now making my own with raw milk - no
> >> problem. Dee
> >
> > Goes to show what pasteurization and homogenization does
> > to milk.
>
> So two people concludes what? There are bazillions od people
> consuming skim, 1%, 2%, etc that have absolutely no
> problems. Some people are lactose intolerant and have
> adverse relation to milk, should we then extrapolate that to
> mean we all give up milk products. Geez Louise you are one
> strange dude.
>
> As usual you cherry pick what fits your paranoia. Get some
> real exercise and clear some of your synapses, you missing a
> few cylinders.
>
> -DF

Observation has some value. Jerk.

TC