Options other than taking 34 Vit. Daily?

[deanmoore]

Does anyone know a better option than taking 34 Vit a day? It would be helpful if this option included Natural Vitimines as opposed to Synstetic.

[cs_carver]

You posted about the extracts above, right?

Different habits might help...

I count out my supplements for 10-12 days at a time, into old film containers (remember them? going fast in a digital age). I use three a day--breakfast, lunch dinner, and I take some others in the early morning and late at night. Each day, I grab the three for the day (#ed, for each meal because I'm not taking the same pills at each meal) and I don't have to open all those bottles.

I can lay out all my supplements in about 10 minutes of talking on the phone with a girlfriend, so it has become a non-issue. I also have no problem swallowing pills, so that helps.

I am sometimes concerned that if I ever ended up on the wrong end of a CSI plot line, I'd look like a major junkie with my stomach full of pills, but I think any decent ME could tell the difference. I do not have junkie teeth.

[msundi83]

i don't take that many pills and i do fine. also, the vitamins and minerals in those pills aren't synthetic, they are just in pill form. I assume you wouldl like them to come from real food?

[deanmoore]

Thanks again CS- I was thinking of that the other day and it is a good/time saving idea. Another benift for counting out the vit. is one would know when a certain vit. needs replenishing in advance.
Msundi, After studing certain vit. I realize there are many benifits to be gained from taking them-but the future/prevention benifits are tremendous. Also to keeps ones brain(and body) in optional preformance is greatly to be desired. Also syn.vit are lacking certain acids that natural vit. have- so I am trying to learn the natural-so yes I would like them to come from real food.The problem is that mass produced food lose 85-90 precent of their vit. content before it reached your body. If processed it loses almost all od the vit. it is supposed to have.This is why I believe more people are getting sick and dying younger. So it's back to growing you own for me-or possibly the farmers market. My suggestion is to pourchase" Dr. Atkins Vita- Nutrients Solution" from Amazon. com for 2 cents/plus shipping and read chapter 2-it also tells specific and amounts on many vitimins.

[NYNikki]

I also take a huge boatload of daily supplements (way more then 34 vitamins) and some of them at higher amounts then recommended. I don't take a multi-vitamin anymore because I want my supplements in the purest forms and you can't find that in a multi mix.

As cs_carver uses old film containers - I use old containers from my diabetic strips. I count them out a week or so ahead of time (usually Sunday morning) and its keeps me on track in taking them.

I take 4 doses (as I wake, lunch, dinner and before bed). Once you have individual containers, all you have to do is lay out the open containers and fill each in the same amount. I have a row of containers for my morning supplements and another row for my lunch supplements and so on.... And, I label the caps of the original supplement bottles themselves as to when I take that supplement.

I have a busy day and if I didn't count them out ahead of time - I wouldn't have the time to do it at all.

Once you get the hang of it - it becomes second nature. It also makes it a lot easier if you are always on-the-go as I am. I just slip the containers in my handbag and all I have to think about is pulling one out to take - rather then doing it on a daily basis.

Nikki

[Whoa182]

why not just buy something like

AOR essential mix or Life extension mix? They are both powder so you can just put it over food or something...


Life extension mix
http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=4615&query=mix%20powder&hiword=POWDERED%20POWDERIS%20POWDERLY%20POWDERS%20mix%20powder%20

Essential mix powder
http://www.aor.ca/products/essential_mix.php

Heres a good one, 9 capsules per serving and is a great formulation
Ortho•Core
http://www.aor.ca/related_research/ortho_core.php

[kebaldwin]

A lot of the good vitamin distributors have a mix of vitamins that could cut down somewhat.

Vitacost has their Synergy line where you pick a dollar amount you are willing to spend and they give you the best mix of vitamins for the amount of $ you will spend.

For $280 per month you get one three and 28 capsules/6 softgels/2 chewtabs (2 packets) per day

I take the Synergy Men's for $40 per month (8 capsules per day) then add fish oil, chromium, more antioxidants and some stuff for joint pain.

I assume that LEF and GNC have similar packages.

[rodmick]

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Amount Per
Serving %
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Vitamin C 120 mg 200%
Vitamin D 400 IU 100%
Vitamin E 30 IU 100%
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 1.5 mg 100%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 1.7 mg 100%
Niacin 20 mg 100%
Vitamin B6 2 mg 100%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B12 6 mcg 100%
Biotin 300 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 10 mg 100%
Calcium 100 mg 10%
Phosphorus 50 mg 5%
Iodine 150 mcg 100%
Magnesium 200 mg 50%
Zinc 4 mg 26%
Selenium 35 mcg 50%
Copper 0.4 mg 20%
Manganese 1.5 mg 75%
Chromium 120 mcg 100%
Potassium 175 mg 5%
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Germanium 25 mcg †
Strontium 500 mcg †
Sulfur 35 mg †
Vanadium 5 mcg †
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[deanmoore]

Rod I have been looking at *Vibe but wonder why is there sugar in it (3 grams)? I realize it is coming from Natural Beets but wonder if one gains the pos. effect fron Beets is it worth the sugar effects. Also some of the vit. mentioned (b's for one example) are very low in content-so Vit. would have to be added-but it's plus side is one does pick up many other benefits. It will be a consideration.Thanks.

[NYNikki]

I don't take a multi-vitamin anymore because I want my supplements in the purest forms and you can't find that in a multi mix.

I took VIBE for a number of years but stopped when I decided to go the individual supplement way. Although VIBE is a full powered supplement, it's overloaded with far to less amounts of each ingredient. Some of the individual doses would do nothing for you if you take that amount by themselves, so to get the full benefit - yes- you have to still add outside supplements to balance it out.

Once I stopped taking VIBE, I was able to lose weight more quickly. Also, at the time I used VIBE I was diagnosed as Diabetic - since I stopped I am now able to get better control of my sugar - I take NO meds. just diet, heavy workouts and supplements. I now look back at VIBE and see it wasn't the best thing for me because a Diabetic should NOT take more then half those ingredients.

In my search for better supplements - I learned Maltodextrin is cornstarch and used as filler, Cellulose is a sugar also used as filler (both any Diabetic should stay away from) and Silica is what drywall is made out of. I picked a Diabetic comparison but for other's with illnesses such as high blood pressure or heart disease - these ingredients may do more harm then good.

I get most my supplements from Viable Herbal: http://www.viable-herbal.com/services/bulk/bulkoi.htm
You can pick and choose single or combo supplements and they will encapsulate them for you - pure without anything added except the ingredients you pick to make the capsule (Standard Gelatin, Pure Vegetable and Certified Kosher capsules).

Additives (fillers, starches, sugars, flours, powders) are ONLY used to fill the capsule and are useless otherwise. When you buy better quality supplements you will see there is a bit of emptiness in the capsule - that’s because it's the best sized capsule to hold that amount of components and the space is because they DID NOT fill it in with fillers/additives.

Nikki

[SunnyCarol]

I was taking about that many vitamins and minerals until recently when I looked at the ingredients and discovered that almost ALL of them contained dextrose, corn starch, rice powder, soybean oil and/or maltodextrin. I have read on here that the amounts are small and you shouldn't worry, but if you take upwards of two dozen a day, the amount would be pretty high. I have stopped all but the ones that contain none of these ingredients and am rethinking my options. What to do? Sad.

Sunny!

[rodmick]

Its very strange how we all get such different results. I have been a diabetic since 2000. The vibe has no effect on my bg's what so ever.
I can't say if it helps with weighloss or not. I'll be finishing up my first bottle soon. I feel really good on it actually great!! Possibly for me it has things I have missed in my6 years as a lc'er. I also amazingly lost 9 lbs last week. Not to shabby for someone my size! Now I'm not saying it is the vibe.
However my craving are way down the last few weeks. It could be a million different factors though.

I also like not taking so many pills. I do add 2 more supps(andrew leskman hair skin and nails plus and primrose) to the vibe.

I'm not really sure about the beet juice. I have a client who guided me to the vibe and I owe her!

[msundi83]

a vitamin is a vitamin whether it is man made in a lab or coming from a natural food. sometimes real foods come with other substances that help one use the vitamin in question better. I'm sure most of you understand this, but i just wanted to make that point clear. there is no so call "vital" essence to the vitamins coming from real food, they just may also have other substances along with the vitamins that allows better use of the vitamins by the person.

[kebaldwin]

I respectfully disagree. There has been a ton of research in vitamins over the last 50 years and every year they make big improvements.

Pro-Vitamin A (as natural carotenoids: beta carotene, alpha carotene, lutein, zeaxanthin, cryptoxanthin) (Betatene®) 15,000 IU 300%

Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate, Ester-C® MV)(ascorbyl palmitate) 2,200 mg 3,665%

Vitamin D3 (as cholecalciferol) 2,000 IU 500%

Natural Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate and high gamma mixed tocopherols) 821 IU 2,736%

Vitamin K1 (phytonadione) 1 mg 1,250%

Vitamin B1 (thiamine HCl) 100 mg 6,667%

Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) 100 mg 5,882%

Vitamin B3 (niacinamide) 100 mg 500%

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCl) 100 mg 5,000%

Vitamin B6 (from 100 mg pyridoxal-5-phosphate) 98 mg 4,900%

Folic Acid (as folacin) 2 mg (2,000 mcg) 500%

Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin) 2 mg (2,000 mcg) 33,332%

Biotin 10 mg (10,000 mcg) 3,330%

Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) 200 mg 2,000%

Calcium (as ascorbate, Ester-C® MV)(citrate, malate) 400 mg 40%

Iron (as amino acid chelate) (Ferrochel®) 9 mg 50%

Iodine (as potassium iodide) 150 mcg 100%

Magnesium (as hydroxide, succinate, malate, taurinate) 400 mg 100%

Zinc (as L-methionine) (L-OptiZinc®) 30 mg 200%

Selenium (selenomethionine) 400 mcg 572%

Copper (as amino acid chelate) 1 mg 50%

Manganese (as amino acid chelate) (malate) 1 mg 50%

Chromium (as chromium polynicotinate) (ChromeMate®) 400 mcg 333%

Molybdenum (as amino acid chelate) 150 mcg 200%

Potassium (malate) 500 mg 14%

Boron (as amino acid chelate) 3 mg *

MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) (OptiMSM) 500 mg *

Alpha Lipoic Acid (K-RALA) 600 mg *

Acetyl L-Carnitine HCl 2,000 mg *

Fish Oil (molecularly distilled) 2,000 mg *

Omega3 fatty acids 1,400 mg

EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) 700 mg

DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) 500 mg

Other Omega3 200 mg

SerinAid™ (standardized to 20% phosphatidylserine) 1,000 mg *

Phosphatidylserine 200 mg

Phosphatidylcholine 90 mg

Phosphatidylethanolamine 20 mg

Phosphatidylinositol 10 mg

Turmeric Extract (standardized to 95% curcuminoids)(root) 900 mg *

Glucosamine Sulfate (potassium) 750 mg *

Alpha Lipoic Acid (K-RALA™) 600 mg *

Chondroitin sulfate 600 mg *

N-Acetyl L-Cysteine 600 mg *

L-Taurine (from magnesium taurinate) 530 mg *

AHCC® Proprietary Blend (Mushroom, Mycelia Extract, Candelilla Wax, Cyclodextrin, Microcrystalline Cellulose) 500 mg *

BerryVin™ High ORAC Berries (strawberries, blueberries, escobillo, blackberries, cranberries), grape extract and pomegranate extract (fruit) 500 mg *

Bioflavonoid (citrus complex) 500 mg *

Bioflavonoid (quercetin) 500 mg *

Broccoli Extract (standardized to 4% glucosinolates)(BroccoSinolate™) 500 mg *

Cinnamon Bark 500 mg *

Grape Skin Extract (standardized to 30% polyphenols) 500 mg *

Green Tea Extract (standardized to 98% polyphenols, 80% catechins, 45% EGCG)(leaves) 500 mg *

Horse Chestnut Extract (standardized to 20% aescin) 500 mg *

Maitake Mushroom Extract (standardized to 30% polysaccharides)(whole fruiting body) 500 mg *

MSM (methylsulfonylmethane)(OptiMSM®) 500 mg *

Olive Leaf Extract (standardized to 18% oleuropein) 500 mg *

OptiBerry® (standardized to 22% phenolics, 6.5 % anthocyanins,)(fruit, seed) 500 mg *

Pomegranate Extract (standardized to 70% ellagic acid)(seed) 500 mg *

Rice Bran Oil 462 mg *

Bilberry Extract (standardized to 25% anthocyanidins) 320 mg *

American Ginseng Extract (standardized to 80% ginsenosides) 300 mg *

Gamma Oryzanol (from rice bran) 300 mg *

Beta-1, 3-D glucan 250 mg *

Calcium D-Glucarate 250 mg *

Grape Seed Extract (standardized to 85% phenolic and 75% oligomer polyphenol)(seed)(ActiVin®) 250 mg *

Grape Seed Extract (standardized to 90% total phenolics) 250 mg *

Beta sitosterol 200 mg *

Choline (bitartrate) 200 mg *

Coenzyme Q10 (ubiquinone)(ChewQ®-100) 200 mg *

Pine Bark Extract (standardized to 90% proanthocyanidins) 200 mg *

Benfotiamine 150 mg *

Chlorophyll (as sodium copper chlorophyllin) 100 mg *

PABA 100 mg *

Pantethine (Pantesin®) 100 mg *

Pycnogenol® Pine Bark Extract 100 mg *

Polygonum Cuspidatum Extract (standardized to 50% trans-resveratrol 64 mg *

Bioflavonoid (hesperidin) 50 mg *

Bioflavonoid (rutin) 50 mg *

Lycopene (from 500 mg Lyc-O-Mato® lycopene extract)(fruit) 30 mg *

Lutein (from 200 mg standardized 5% FloraGLO® lutein extract)(marigold flower) 10 mg *

Black pepper extract (Piper nigrum)(fruit extract)(Bioperine®) 5 mg *

Astaxanthin 4 mg *

Boron (as amino acid chelate) 3 mg *

Zeaxanthin (marigold flower) 2 mg *

L- acidophilus 5 Billion cfu** *

B. bifidum 5 Billion cfu** *

** At time of manufacture.

Activin is a registered trademark of Dry Creek Nutrition, Inc.
Betatene is a registered trademark of Cognis Deutschland GmbH & Co.
Bioperine® is a patented product of Sabinsa Corporation. U.S. Patent Nos. 5,536,506, 5,744,161, 5,972,382, 6,054,585 ("use of piperine to increase the bioavailability of nutritional compounds")
ChromeMate® is a registered trademark of InterHealth Nutraceuticals, Inc.
Ester-C® and the Ester-C® logo are licensed trademarks of Zila Nutraceuticals, Inc. Manufactured under U.S. Patent Nos. 4,822,816 and 5,070,085 and corresponding foreign patents. Other patents pending.
Ferrochel is a registered trademark of Albion Laboratories, Inc.
FloraGLO is a registered trademark of Kemin Industries, Inc., U.S.A.
SerinAid is a registered trademark of Chemi Nutra.
L-OptiZinc is a registered trademark of InterHealth Nutraceuticals, Inc.
Lyc-O-Mato is a registered trademark of LycoRed Natural Products Limited.
OptiMSM is a registered trademark of Cardinal Nutrition and is sold under license to the worldwide R.J. Herschler MSM use patents.
Pantesin™ is a registered trademark of Daiichi Fine Chemicals, Inc.
Pycnogenol® is a registered trademark of Horphag Research Ltd. Use of this product is protected by one or more of U.S. patents #4,698,360/#5,720,956/#6,372,266 and other international patents.
BerryVin™ is a trademark of Cyvex Nutrition, Inc.
K-RALA® is a registered trae mak of GeroNova Research, Inc.
BroccoSinolate™ is a trademark of Cyvex Nutrition, Inc.
OptiBerry® is a registered trademark of InterHealth Nutraceuticals, Inc.
AHCC® is a registered trademark of Amino Up Chemical Company, Ltd. of Sapporo, Japan.
Chew-Q® is a registered trademark of Tishcon Corp.

[deanmoore]

This is great guys-keep it up. You are giving me many options and also teaching me things I didn't know (such as using fillers in Vit.cap.. are they insane? SunnyCarol- would soft Jels solve this problem?). I am also looking at each and every site mentioned. At this point it looks like a combo of vit. and powders with the empthesis on the natural forms-that have more acids than the synthetic-counted out in to go packages. If I find a combo package with vit. at my strengh level at a good price I will consider them. Thanks again and lets keep this going for more options.

[SunnyCarol]

SunnyCarol- would soft Jels solve this problem?). Not really. I have low thyroid and I am supposed to be avoiding soy and the softgels, such as my calcium and vitamin E, have soybean oil as the main ingredient. You can't win for losing.

Sunny!

[cs_carver]

1. I keep a spreadsheet. Name, dose, # in bottle, purchased, when needed to buy again, source. I go in there regularly and check what I need to put on my list. For the life extension and others that come discounted if you buy 4 at a time, I label the bottles 1/4, 2/4, etc. so I can tell which one I need to open next and how many more are in the closet.

2. I do stuff like this for a living, so it comes fairly easily.

3. In some cases, natural and synthetic are the same compound. In others, they may have the same chemical formula, but the shape of the molecule may be different. In non-chemistry terms, your hands describe the same but they sure don't fit into the same glove, most times. Because much of bio-chemistry resembles fitting gloves, it can very much matter whether a vitamin is derived from natural or synthetic processes.

[msundi83]

1. I keep a spreadsheet. Name, dose, # in bottle, purchased, when needed to buy again, source. I go in there regularly and check what I need to put on my list. For the life extension and others that come discounted if you buy 4 at a time, I label the bottles 1/4, 2/4, etc. so I can tell which one I need to open next and how many more are in the closet.

2. I do stuff like this for a living, so it comes fairly easily.

3. In some cases, natural and synthetic are the same compound. In others, they may have the same chemical formula, but the shape of the molecule may be different. In non-chemistry terms, your hands describe the same but they sure don't fit into the same glove, most times. Because much of bio-chemistry resembles fitting gloves, it can very much matter whether a vitamin is derived from natural or synthetic processes.

You are talking about the different isomer forms of a vitamin. We have the means to make molecules in the form the body can use. This is a whole area of chemistry and these dudes make a crap ton in pharmaceuticals. You are right. When we make a vitamin in the lab there is often an isomer form we can't use so we end up maybe using abut 50% (if it is a racemic mixture) of whats in the pill. Still, if we make the isomer the body CAN use in the lab the body can't tell the difference between what is man-made and what is from a natural source. I should have specified my statement more clearly.

[deanmoore]

Cs- I agree with Life-Extention because they use no fillers and offer a great price. Their statements promote trust and seem to be honest. You can also find some of their products on Amazon.com (Health and Personal care).

[NYNikki]

Cs- I agree with Life-Extention because they use no fillers and offer a great price.

WRONG :nono:
They DO use fillers. You find fillers and such listed in the 'other ingredients' list under the main ingredient listing.

EXAMPLE: Life Extentions Enhanced Cinnulin PF® With Glucose Management Proprietary Blend http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00887.html

Other ingredients: rice flour, vegetable cellulose, magnesium stearate. Contains rice.

You can buy Life Extention products from many other websites - at a much cheaper price then from the Life Extention website directly ....
iHerb: http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=LEX-88709
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/ENHANCED-CINNULIN-PF-GLUCOSE90-CAPS/dp/B000HDBV3U/sr=1-63/qid=1160010938/ref=sr_1_63/102-8661291-5884111?ie=UTF8&s=hpc
Same product-ALL very different prices ($29.00, $21.75, $27.39).

Nikki

[deanmoore]

Thanks NYNikki, for the correction. Have you found fillers in a lot of their products?

[deanmoore]

I think we may be spelling Extension wrong. We both used the word Extention. But i did it first:-)

[NYNikki]

I think we may be spelling Extension wrong. We both used the word Extention. But I did it first:-)
One time I realized my name was spelled wrong ..that's what happens when you use auto spell check...lol

Thanks NYNikki, for the correction. Have you found fillers in a lot of their products?
Yes and although LEF have a great resourceful website - I don't use their products. I did before I started to research what those 'other ingredients' were. I'm just the curious kind - I guess!

Just as I have done -you can research all this on your own.

I take a lot of daily supplements, as I am a diabetic, asthmatic and I have heart issues along with muscle damage from using a statin drug. I've learned it makes a world of difference to me to use only pure form supplements. That little bit of filler in each supplement does all add up to a huge amount I am ingesting.

It also makes no sense to me as a diabetic to take a supplement to help control my sugar that contains rice, sugars or starches (even though they are in tiny amounts and listed under a scientific name).

I hope to someday put together a book (and have it published ) to explain what I have learned because even knowledgable people in the medical/pharma business are left speachless when I question them on it.

I have no problem with people buying filler filled supplements but I have a problem when people not having knowledge of the contents and knowing there is a choice out there to buy better quality pure form supplements - that choice is always left up to you!

Nikki

[deanmoore]

Nikki- Have you ran across any vita. companies that use no fillers in any of thier produces-and don't tell me to research it myself - taking a short cut can lead to suprising benifits:-)

[NYNikki]

As I said earlier in this thread ...I get most my supplements from Viable Herbal: http://www.viable-herbal.com/services/bulk/bulkoi.htm
You can pick and choose single or combo supplements and they will encapsulate them for you - pure without anything added except the ingredients you pick to make the capsule (Standard Gelatin, Pure Vegetable and Certified Kosher capsules).

There are many others places also and it takes next to no effect to research them online.

FYI: Here's one of my many post's on the subject of fillers:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=305184

And some other interesting readings:
http://www.newstarget.com/012427.html
http://www.vita4life.net/fillers.html

Nikki

[deanmoore]

Thank you Nikki. I went back and reread your earlier posts and I did look into the site you mentioned-which is a good site-but pricey. I quess I was just looking for more options-again thank you for your responce.

[cs_carver]

Unfortunately, supplements are one of the arenas where you often do get what you pay for. The very cheap ones tend to have the least-effective ingredients and the cheapest fillers; the best products can be pretty expensive, at least in the short term when you have to write the check. And the biggest gamble is that there is only one rat in the study--you--and it may take 20 or 30 or 40 years before you know if taking supplements makes any difference at all, or if the cheap ones made less of a difference than the good ones would have made.

[NYNikki]

The very cheap ones tend to have the least-effective ingredients and the cheapest fillers; the best products can be pretty expensive

Not always. I pay less then $4 for 100 caps of pure Cinnamon and $5 for GTF Chromium. But then yes, I have no choice but to pay a higher price for other supplements because I can't find them WITHOUT fillers. For me, quality matters and price comes second. Another thing is we assume what the front label says it all we are putting into our body - there is no indication that the added crap depletes the total compound of the main ingredient - therefore we are wasting our money on ingesting nothing!

It's so sad that there is so much 'trickery' to buying a full-bodied good quality supplement.

it may take 20 or 30 or 40 years before you know if taking supplements makes any difference at all

I'm a Diabetic and control it with diet, exercise and supplements (NO meds.) - there have been times when I may miss taking all my supplements and I see the negative effect it has when my sugar readings begin to creep up - so I know my supplements work for me. It's like when you take cough medicine - your cough stops and you know the medicine is working or people with high cholesterol start taking Fish Oil and Niacin and their cholesterol begins to come into range within a few months. It works the same with supplements.

or if the cheap ones made less of a difference than the good ones would have made
I never got the positive results that I have today until I deleted all the fillers from my supplements.

[NYNikki]

I did look into the site you mentioned-which is a good site-but pricey.

deanmoore- Viable Herbal was just one general sample of the many, many sort of websites that sell pure-form supplements. You will find different price scales just as you would with any other supplement website.

Nikki

[montanasun]

I take 2 oz of VIBE a day and feel great.

[NYNikki]

montanasun, if you scroll to the beginning of this thread you will find both Rodmick and I (NYNikki) had posted about VIBE.

It's great if taking it has benefited your health.

Nikki

[deanmoore]

I have found that Amazon.com offers many choices and sales-unfortuntely they don't always list the fillers, the ingredience, nor the strength level. One is forces to then go to the Vit.web site and dig-maybe finding out the ingredience...etc. I have come to the conclusion that the Gov. doesn't care about vit. consumption or even want to stop it altogether-how else can one kill off the bottleneck generation and appease the Pharm. industry at the same time. Feed them high carb foods laced with dangerous ingredience and make it difficult for them to get the correct supplements (ie. the cure). This is the only conclusion I can draw from the evidence given. If someone has a better one to offer I would like to hear it.

[deanmoore]

Conclusion:
Superfoods ( Bee products, Algaes, Green Juices...etc.) and add as many non-filler Vit. as possible/needed.