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Radium
Wed, Sep-27-06, 06:15
Hi:
A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic activity
causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides with all three
attached fatty acids being saturated] to be deposited in the
heart's blood vessels. This can lead to an angina or MI.
MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
triglycerides of butter are similar except for the obvious
fact that MI is much more severe than an angina. MIs are
usually much more painful than anginas.
Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more intense than
the pain caused by an angina because more A-delta nociceptors
per area are stimulated in an MI than in an angina.
When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood supply.
That starvation of heart tissue result in stimulation of
A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a shooting sharp pain
to be perceived in the sternum's compact bones between the
3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of unions. It feels as if
those bones have "holes being cracked into them".
With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
in less than a minute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in the
hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th
cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are stimulated by the
injurious complications of saturated butter triglycerides, the
intense shooting sharp pain would result in the following
fatal conditions:
In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW nearly
a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
effectively. The AV communication would probably remain normal
[i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the heartbeat
would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not be strong
enough to be felt by anything other than an extremely
sensitive EKG. Heart rate would sky-rocket to almost 500 beats
per minute.
Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic
spasticity [much like the heart and blood vessels]. The
peristalsis would be extremely rapid but so weak that the
movement of GI contents ceases.
Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
Quotes from the above site:
"An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or
temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces the
acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
"By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or
metabolic factors. The pain produced is slow, burning, and
long lasting."
Regards,
Radium
Bowcatz
Wed, Sep-27-06, 06:15
In September of 2005, I was diagnosed with GERD. I, also, had
this sensation of thousands of needles piercing my heart while
I experienced the intense burning in my esophagus (sp?). I was
put on Caduet because I have elevated cholesterol, too.
One doctor diagnosed me as having a religious experience. Oh,
well. Not exactly so. (rolls eyes on that professional
comment) More like stress from surviving Katrina and the long
suffering effects the hurricane caused my home state of
Mississippi. I felt intense empathy for the victims along the
Gulf Coast and New Orleans (where I have family).
I had the radiation dye test and it was discovered that at
certain times, I would have absences of blood in one of my
heart's chambers. Is that normal? What about heart
arythmia? Is there a connection between lack of blood in
the heart and arythmia?
100% pure BS.
TC
Radium wrote:
> Hi:
>
> A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic activity
> causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides with all three
> attached fatty acids being saturated] to be deposited in the
> heart's blood vessels. This can lead to an angina or MI.
>
> MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
>
> The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> triglycerides of butter are similar except for the obvious
> fact that MI is much more severe than an angina. MIs are
> usually much more painful than anginas.
>
> Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
> shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
> However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more
> intense than the pain caused by an angina because more
> A-delta nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI
> than in an angina.
>
> When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
> cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood
> supply. That starvation of heart tissue result in
> stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a
> shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's compact
> bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage lines of
> unions. It feels as if those bones have "holes being cracked
> into them".
>
> With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
> fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
> nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
> in less than a minute.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
>
> If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in the
> hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th
> cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are stimulated by
> the injurious complications of saturated butter
> triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain would result
> in the following fatal conditions:
>
> In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
> constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
> contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
> nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
> effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
> normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the
> heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not
> be strong enough to be felt by anything other than an
> extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would sky-rocket to
> almost 500 beats per minute.
>
> Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic
> spasticity [much like the heart and blood vessels]. The
> peristalsis would be extremely rapid but so weak that the
> movement of GI contents ceases.
>
> Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
>
> http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
>
> Quotes from the above site:
>
> "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or
> temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces the
> acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
>
> "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
> painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or metabolic
> factors. The pain produced is slow, burning, and long
> lasting."
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Radium
Radium
Wed, Sep-27-06, 17:15
TC wrote:
> 100% pure BS.
How so?
Radium
Wed, Sep-27-06, 17:15
Bowcatz wrote:
> In September of 2005, I was diagnosed with GERD. I, also,
> had this sensation of thousands of needles piercing my heart
> while I experienced the intense burning in my esophagus
> (sp?). I was put on Caduet because I have elevated
> cholesterol, too.
>
>
> One doctor diagnosed me as having a religious experience.
> Oh, well. Not exactly so. (rolls eyes on that professional
> comment) More like stress from surviving Katrina and the
> long suffering effects the hurricane caused my home state of
> Mississippi. I felt intense empathy for the victims along
> the Gulf Coast and New Orleans (where I have family).
Sorry to hear about your experience.
>
> I had the radiation dye test and it was discovered that at
> certain times, I would have absences of blood in one of my
> heart's chambers. Is that normal? What about heart arythmia?
> Is there a connection between lack of blood in the heart and
> arythmia?
There is a connection between lack of blood in the heart and
arythmia. Insufficient blood supply to the heart [which
starves the heart muscle of energy] can cause the rate of the
heartbeat to increase but the strength to decrease. An
energy-deprived heart beats rapidly but weakly.
Bowcatz
Thu, Sep-28-06, 06:15
Radium wrote: "There is a connection between lack of blood in
the heart and arrhythmia. Insufficient blood supply to the
heart [which starves the heart muscle of energy] can cause the
rate of the heartbeat to increase but the strength to
decrease. An energy-deprived heart beats rapidly but weakly."
I often have a butterflies in my chest sensation. It's like my
heart starts to beat to the point of fluttering. I
instinctively cough several times when this happens and it
quietens the sensation. Lately, I feel a little faint when
this happens. Have to stop what I'm doing, cough, and hang on
to something to keep from falling because I feel a little
dizzy. Maybe it's nerves or maybe it's medical. Maybe both,
but it is annoying and a little scary.
I've mentioned this feeling to doctors for years and I was
pretty much ignored. It was the GERD episode that finally
convinced my current doctor that I should have the radioactive
dye injected while doing a stress test on a tread mill. During
the resting phase, it was discovered that sometimes my heart's
chambers aren't completely filled. The images were pretty
clear, too, so there was no misunderstanding.
Is my body making enough blood? Is that is why there is a lack
of blood in my heart at times? I'm not making enough blood. If
the spleen is the organ that filters out dead blood cells from
the body, is mine filtering out good blood, too?
tunderbar
Mon, Oct-02-06, 17:16
TC wrote:
> 100% pure BS.
>
> TC
>
> Radium wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic
> > activity causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides
> > with all three attached fatty acids being saturated] to be
> > deposited in the heart's blood vessels. This can lead to
> > an angina or MI.
The actual mechanism is that poor diet, including excessive
consumption of refined carbs and absence of the needed
nutrients, leads the artery walls to become pitted and spongy.
The body, in a state of poor nutrition, tries to patch the
artery walls with fatty deposits.
> >
> > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
> >
> > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the obvious
> > fact that MI is much more severe than an angina. MIs are
> > usually much more painful than anginas.
First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But
"symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
triglycerides of butter" is complete BS.
> >
> > Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
> > shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
> > However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more intense
> > than the pain caused by an angina because more A-delta
> > nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI than in an
> > angina.
> >
> > When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
> > cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood
> > supply. That starvation of heart tissue result in
> > stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a
> > shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's
> > compact bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage
> > lines of unions. It feels as if those bones have "holes
> > being cracked into them".
Again, "butter = saturated triglycerides = starve the heart of
blood supply" is nonsense.
> >
> > With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
> > fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
> > nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
> > in less than a minute.
No shit. Now, do some reading and get over this "butter =
heart attacks" bullshit. Real butter from real healthy cows
is one of the healthiest foods around. We've been eating
this stuff for thousands of years and it's only been in the
last century that we've seen the incidence of heart disease
skyrocket, and that trend is perfectly reflected in the
trend in refined carb consumption, vegetable oil consumption
and processed food consumption. In that time the rates of
butter consumption has gone down considerably and the rates
of margarine (hydrogenated *vegetable* oil) consumption has
gone up a lot.
So for you to make these silly statements about butter is pure
unadulterated BULLSHIT.
TC
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
> >
> > If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in
> > the hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and
> > 5th cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are
> > stimulated by the injurious complications of saturated
> > butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain
> > would result in the following fatal conditions:
> >
> > In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
> > constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
> > contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
> > nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to pump
> > effectively. The AV communication would probably remain
> > normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and weak, the
> > heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart beat would not
> > be strong enough to be felt by anything other than an
> > extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would sky-rocket to
> > almost 500 beats per minute.
> >
> > Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of tonic
> > spasticity [much like the heart and blood vessels]. The
> > peristalsis would be extremely rapid but so weak that the
> > movement of GI contents ceases.
> >
> > Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
> >
> > http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
> >
> > Quotes from the above site:
> >
> > "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli or
> > temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces the
> > acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
> >
> > "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
> > painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or
> > metabolic factors. The pain produced is slow, burning, and
> > long lasting."
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Radium
Radium
Tue, Oct-03-06, 17:16
tunderbar@hotmail.com wrote:
> TC wrote:
> > 100% pure BS.
> >
> > TC
> >
> > Radium wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > A diet rich in butter combined with lack of aerobic
> > > activity causes saturated triglycerides [triglycerides
> > > with all three attached fatty acids being saturated] to
> > > be deposited in the heart's blood vessels. This can lead
> > > to an angina or MI.
> The actual mechanism is that poor diet, including excessive
> consumption of refined carbs and absence of the needed
> nutrients, leads the artery walls to become pitted and
> spongy. The body, in a state of poor nutrition, tries to
> patch the artery walls with fatty deposits.
Okay.
> > >
> > > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
> > >
> > > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the
> > > obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an angina.
> > > MIs are usually much more painful than anginas.
> First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But
> "symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> triglycerides of butter" is complete BS.
What is incorrect about the symptoms I described?
> > >
> > > Both anginas and MIs produce the same type of pain [the
> > > shooting sharp pain resulting from A-delta excitation].
> > > However, the pain caused by an MI is usually more
> > > intense than the pain caused by an angina because more
> > > A-delta nociceptors per area are stimulated in an MI
> > > than in an angina.
> > >
> > > When saturated triglycerides of butter accumulate in the
> > > cardiac blood vessels, they starve the heart of blood
> > > supply. That starvation of heart tissue result in
> > > stimulation of A-delta nociceptors nearby. This causes a
> > > shooting sharp pain to be perceived in the sternum's
> > > compact bones between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th cartilage
> > > lines of unions. It feels as if those bones have "holes
> > > being cracked into them".
>
> Again, "butter = saturated triglycerides = starve the heart
> of blood supply" is nonsense.
>
> > >
> > > With or without pain, a heart attack is a potentially
> > > fatal situation. However, the pain caused by A-delta
> > > nociception can result in a shock reaction that can kill
> > > in less than a minute.
>
> No shit. Now, do some reading and get over this "butter =
> heart attacks" bullshit. Real butter from real healthy cows
> is one of the healthiest foods around. We've been eating
> this stuff for thousands of years and it's only been in the
> last century that we've seen the incidence of heart disease
> skyrocket, and that trend is perfectly reflected in the
> trend in refined carb consumption, vegetable oil consumption
> and processed food consumption. In that time the rates of
> butter consumption has gone down considerably and the rates
> of margarine (hydrogenated *vegetable* oil) consumption has
> gone up a lot.
>
> So for you to make these silly statements about butter is
> pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.
>
> TC
>
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_sternum
> > >
> > > If all the A-delta nociceptors that give rise to pain in
> > > the hard compact bone tissues between the 3rd, 4th, and
> > > 5th cartilage lines of unions of the sternum are
> > > stimulated by the injurious complications of saturated
> > > butter triglycerides, the intense shooting sharp pain
> > > would result in the following fatal conditions:
> > >
> > > In such a situation all blood vessels in the body would
> > > constrict. The heart would enter a state of near-total
> > > contraction [the contraction will be almost tonic, IOW
> > > nearly a state of adiastole] and not relax enough to
> > > pump effectively. The AV communication would probably
> > > remain normal [i.e. other than being extremely fast and
> > > weak, the heartbeat would be normal]. Pulse and heart
> > > beat would not be strong enough to be felt by anything
> > > other than an extremely sensitive EKG. Heart rate would
> > > sky-rocket to almost 500 beats per minute.
> > >
> > > Gastrointestinal muscles would also enter a state of
> > > tonic spasticity [much like the heart and blood
> > > vessels]. The peristalsis would be extremely rapid but
> > > so weak that the movement of GI contents ceases.
> > >
> > > Skin would become cold, pale, and moist due to shock.
> > >
> > > http://courses.washington.edu/conj/sensory/pain.htm
> > >
> > > Quotes from the above site:
> > >
> > > "An A-delta fiber responds to either mechanical stimuli
> > > or temperature stimuli in the painful realm and produces
> > > the acute sensation of sharp, bright pain."
> > >
> > > "By contrast, a C fiber can respond to a broad range of
> > > painful stimuli, including mechanical, thermal or
> > > metabolic factors. The pain produced is slow, burning,
> > > and long lasting."
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Radium
Ralphrepo
Wed, Oct-04-06, 17:16
>On 3 Oct 2006 10:18:45 -0700, "Radium"
><glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
> > >
> > > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the
> > > obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an angina.
> > > MIs are usually much more painful than anginas.
> First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But
> "symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> triglycerides of butter" is complete BS.
>What is incorrect about the symptoms I described?
Because chest pain, as a clinical presentation, can have it's
beginnings in many different ways.
Example:
Variant (Prinzmetal's) angina Atherosclerosis Calcification
Disease processes (eg, pulmonary hypertension, hypertension,
valvular disease, myopathies) that affect pre and afterload
dynamics, resulting in additional cardiac work. Diabetes
Stimulants (nicotine, caffeine)
No one, and I mean, NO ONE, looks upon chest pain as
being more severe if caused by one clinical rationale
versus another. Chest pain, especially in longstanding
diabetics, is often absent because of the general
neuropathy of their disease.
"... except for the obvious fact that MI is much more severe
than an angina..."
The only thing obvious to me is that the above is the
statement of a an uneducated fool.
Ralph
William Wa
Wed, Oct-04-06, 17:16
In article <pi67i2pr89bjg0238moackd2ffql3n667f@4ax.com>,
RalphRepo <Alice.BangZoom@Moon> wrote:
> >On 3 Oct 2006 10:18:45 -0700, "Radium"
> ><glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > MI = Myocardial Infarction or heart attack
> > > >
> > > > The symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > > > triglycerides of butter are similar except for the
> > > > obvious fact that MI is much more severe than an
> > > > angina. MIs are usually much more painful than
> > > > anginas.
>
> > First of all, no shit, MI is more painful than angina. But
> > "symptoms of an angina/MI resulting from saturated
> > triglycerides of butter" is complete BS.
>
> >What is incorrect about the symptoms I described?
>
> Because chest pain, as a clinical presentation, can have
> it's beginnings in many different ways.
>
> Example:
>
> Variant (Prinzmetal's) angina Atherosclerosis Calcification
> Disease processes (eg, pulmonary hypertension, hypertension,
> valvular disease, myopathies) that affect pre and afterload
> dynamics, resulting in additional cardiac work. Diabetes
> Stimulants (nicotine, caffeine)
>
> No one, and I mean, NO ONE, looks upon chest pain as being
> more severe if caused by one clinical rationale versus
> another. Chest pain, especially in longstanding diabetics,
> is often absent because of the general neuropathy of their
> disease.
>
> "... except for the obvious fact that MI is much more severe
> than an angina..."
>
> The only thing obvious to me is that the above is the
> statement of a an uneducated fool.
>
> Ralph
Indigestion can be added to the above list.
About 15 years ago a coworker came to work sick. Looked like
real flu. We sent him to medical and he was said to be OK.
Did this on three days in a row. Same result. Finally my
foreman suggested a EKG. He had no chest pain just looked
like hell. Well then it was a fast ride to hospital and we
never saw Sam again at work. Three months later he passed.
Those tough WWII vets ! Then there was Paul a WWII medic who
I was working alone with when I noticed he was trembling. I
asked what was wrong and he said Oh nothing just a minor
stroke. Same Guy always took all of his vacation starting
Jan 1 and spent it in his local tavern. Not a bad idea in
retrospect I guess.
Bill
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